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My apologies bro I did come across a bit harsh, a bit of an ass you might say :-[ :PQuote:
Originally Posted by josef4334
I tend to get a bit excited at times on these boards and speak with a little too much aggression.
But I'm only 3 ft tall and back down real quick when challenged :P
Accept this :coolclick: with my apologies as a token of reconciliation :)
yo bilbo i understand what you meant though...it was just so absurd to say that pbf and williams are the same...and by reflex you want to yell.... "what a fucking dumbass", but sometimes you just have to let people say what they want or feel as it's their opinion..they should understand it's your opinion to feel as if anyone who says that mayweather and williams are the same type of fighter..is a dumbass....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Good reply :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris N.
I am a huge PBF fan and I think he would have problems with Williams triple jab and workrate... Ud for Williams, But this fight will never happen. I would like to see Mosley/PBF after the destruction of Hatton.
hah :coolclick: man I just choked on my tea reading this, you summed it up EXACTLY!Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
But as you say there is no reason to be rude and I was out of order. I've sure said some dumbass things out of ignorance before myself and don't appreciate it when the forum smartass feels the need to correct me, in fact I always think their a kunt.
But then I go and put myself in that role without realising it, just a hypocritical bastad I guess :P
After seeing tonight's performance i would at least give him a 50/50 shot at beating mayweather.
No way, I mean come on Pauls def. got skill and has proved tonight he can hang at World Class but there is no way Paul would win 6 straight rounds against PBF.
I think Bilbo you got carried away with this one here.
I'm only asking the question bro ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I think stylistically Williams poses a problem Floyd has never had before.
The only real tall guy he's fought was Coralles who towered over him at 5 ft 11. Williams made Margarito look tiny Floyd will look like Eddie Chambers going up against Valuev if this fight happened!
I'd imagine Williams would outweigh him by 20 lbs come fight night plus he's just relentless with punch output.
If Floyd found a way to nullify Williams I'd be far more impressed than if he fought and beat Hatton or Mosely, fighters whose styles we already know he has the tools to deal with.
I really hope we can get to see this fight, and as long as Williams keeps winning there is every chance we will........
i thought so too..but williams' jab isn't a punishing jab and he'd get exploited everytime he throws it...also just like when hopkins fought the taller tarver...tarver was always open for the right hand because he had to punch low to find the shorter man...williams' already suffers defensively, because his punch out put serves as his defence..something else i noticed, williams legs arent that great he uses his punches to blind his opponent while he moves to other angles..when marg put the pressure on him he couldn't really rely on his legs to get away...as you can see that all of his weight is upper body, and floyd would really exploit him technically...but williams has a chance because he's huge and should fighting up there with pavlik and taylor..he came in tonight at 162...but if he doesn't have power at ww he certainly wouldn't hurt those guys...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Ah mate I owe you another cc in 24. Your'e the only person so far who has come up with reasons as to why Williams wouldn't be able to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather+Mosley
I think he probably does have the potential for power but he doesn't put any weight behind his shots. He clearly aims for quantity over quality. It still works for him though and it sure makes him exciting to watch.
Tough fight to figure out. I want to see more of Williams. He did well with Margarito although the style might be good for him. But he is tall and he has a high workrate so getting inside on him would be tough, although a guy like Floyd would do well, although the size difference would be enormous. That would be an odd fight.
Williams is a nightmare stylewise for Floyd, I would wager a good sum that he'd never take this fight.
I know this will upset Floyd fans, but I have made posts about how Floyd in his brilliant career has avoided southpaws. Before anyone gets riled up consider the facts.
1.) With all the southpaws in the lightweight, Jr welterwt. and welterweight divisions, Mayweather has only fought three in his last 34 fights. It is more than a coincidence.
2. How could it be that Carlos Baldomir looked as good against Judah as Mayweather did, but when Baldomir an orthodox fighter fought Mayweather he was outclassed? Could it just be Baldomir is better with southpaws than Mayweather?
3.)After Spadafora did a number on him in their well known sparring session, Mayweather was offered a match with Spadafora but turned it down. Spadafora admittedly is not in Mayweather's class, but he is a southpaw.
I'm not saying Williams is as good as Mayweather, just that he has the style to beat him and that my friends is not the same thing.
:)
Paul Williams work rate is defined against fighters like Mathysse and Tony and those are not exactly the blue-prints for a Mayweather fight, I guess Floyd would beat him to the punch and would be in and out, mostly on the move in a very uninteresting fight and another unanimous decision for Floyd
The thought of Floyd fighting the man who beat the man Floyd fears the most is preposterous. I do not see Floyd entertaining this thought one bit. Floyd will stay retired and with good reason. The warrios in the WWD are too many. I think Judah could beat Floyd in a rematch. That should be a fight to make and watch. We all know Floyd will not fight Cotto that is for damn sure. I said a long time ago that Cotto was going to unify but damn it if this division is not getting thick as a brick with Lions of all types ;D War Cotto!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorfmeister
I didn't know retirement consisted of setting fights in November ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
You clearly don't know jack sh!t about boxing. Judah's my all time favorite fighter and he stands zero chance at EVER beating Floyd. Perhaps you should take up watching women's basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
I understand what Bilbo is trying to say. Nobody is trying to say that Williams is a better fighter than Floyd by any stretch of the word. However, we are talking about a guy that will have a good 10 to 15 inch cussion to throw punches at will. He's constantly using that jab. He averages almost a 100 pounches per round. He's going to be facing a guy in Maywether who probably won't be able to hurt him(at least not with one pounch). All these things point at a very tough fight for PBF. And most would agree that the one thing that could beat Floyd is someone who can come out and out work him.
There is no sense spaculating anyway cuz this fight won't happen. At least not untill Williams has made a couple more fights and turned into a big draw.
I for one would like to see more of him. Maybe a fight against Cintron while Cotto fights Mosley and Floyd fights Hatton.
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Originally Posted by skyler
Agreed.....The only thing that was impressive about Williams last night was his work rate...He never hurt Tony...Hell he never even paused Tony....
Margarito made the same mistake Hopkins did...He let too many early rounds go....If Tony came out took the first two rounds then took off the next 4 or 5 he will still have his title....
I give Williams credit he earned the win but IMO it was more due to what Margarito did not do then What Williams did
Mayweather will play with Williams if they fight...
I don't see how he could embarrass him. Coralles was taylor made for Floyd that night he just stalked Floyd around the ring trying to land the perfect shot. Of course against Floyd's speed that time was never going to come and he just got beat to the punch time and time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Williams doesn't wait for the perfect opportunity to throw he just throws with abandon. Sure he'll get countered we saw that against Mitchell but if Floyd can't back him up he'll just keep on throwing and throwing.
Watching Floyd fight Oscar I think it's fair to say that had Oscar thrown more he could have won that fight, well Williams would probably double Oscar's output.
It's a very hard style matchup in my opinon. I actually think Cotto would do better against Williams because he would just get inside and rip to the body but Floyd isn't an inside fighter and he's not a pressure fighter either nor does he have the power of Cotto.
Floyd's plan of evade and pot shot with single power shots imo wouldn't work against Williams and so he would need to adopt another tactic.
Not saying Floyd couldn't do it, but I'd love to see how he responded to that challenge.
A fight with Hatton imo is already a forgone conclusion in terms of outcome. Floyd outboxes him with ease, keeping well out of the way of any Hatton body shots and strafing him with stinging right hands.
The Williams fight is a different puzzle for Floyd and one he's not experienced yet.
I think William's physical advantage will be key in a fight like this, and I give him a chance of winning. Still not an easy task since he will have to manage Floyd's speeds and defense, but if Williams keeps focused on his game plan and not becoming frustrated when missing blows he may due it.
Hey, guys...first time poster.
I absolutely agree that Williams may be the man to beat Floyd. How is MAyweather going to make it through that 82" wingspan to get off his treasured counter leads? How is he going to deal with constant pressure for the entire 12 rounds? Other guys like De La Hoya and Castillo bothered him with aggression early, but tired down the stretch. That doesn't appear it will happen with Williams.
Honestly, at 147 I actually think the toughest matchups for Williams are Cintron and Margarito (whom he's already dispatched) because they are pretty big themselves and have big enough punches to hurt and slow him down. Although Mayweather, Cotto and Mosely are all certainly better than Margarito and Cintron, the size disadvantage presented by Williams would be extremely difficult to overcome. I love Cotto, and he has the potential to hurt Williams. But we all saw the problems Margarito had getting inside, and he's 5'11". How in the world is Cotto at 5'7" going to bust through that windmill to get off his body shots without eating too many punches? I think a Mosely-Williams fight would shape up like Forrest-Mosely in that the style would just be too difficult for Shane and he'd lose a near shutout.
Williams is a great talent, but he should never go any higher than 154. Once he gets up to 160, his natural physical advantages will start to become neutralized, and it will be tougher for him to take punches from those bigger men. But, at 147, he is a matchup nightmare for anybody. I'm concerned that he may become a ducked man because of this.
I voted Williams. As I stated in another thread, he's too tall, too unorthodox, and wayyyy to busy for Floyd. Floyd would not be able to get inside to do any damage. Plus, Williams knows Floyd can't knock him out, and that's a definite disadvantage for Floyd.
Real tough one...
Think i woud have to sit on the fence for this one, i mean mayweather is p4p #1 for a reason... but style wise williams would give him lots ofstrouble i think with his reach... I think agasint a guy like williams you need to be a sort of cotto to get inside him and smash him up, i don't think mayweather could do that...
I think it's funny how people are compairing Williams to Corrales and asuming Floyd would do the same because they're both tall. Has nobody here ever fought a southpaw? It is a different world.
Williams is a boxer, a counterpuncher and a southpaw. Corrales was a puncher, a warrior a style made for Mayweather.
A good rule for fight analyzing"
When analyzing fights between any othhodox fighter and a southpaw first look to see how the orthodox fighter has done against southpaws in the past.
I think it's even funnier how people think Williams frustrating a wild swinging amateur like Margarito somehow translates into him giving Floyd Mayweather problems ;D ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ghoster
"Wild swinging amateur"? Man, you're one funny (NOT) dude.
I don't know. The kid could fight on the outside all night long and just beat a fool with nothing more than his jab if he went that route. Oscar gave Floyd fits when he used the jab. South Paw Judah gave Floyd fits in the early rounds. The skinny kid could pick FLoyd apart even while Floyd was running. An easy win for Paul Williams against Floyd. I am now a believer. I was told about 8 months ago that Paul Williams could beat Floyd but I did not believe. I do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Williams has so many advantages over Floyd physically that I say Yes. :)
Floyd will have problems in this fight. No doubt about it. I cant predict a winner just yet. This would be a close one.
Wow it seems like the pendulum of public opinion is swinging in the direction of Williams now, suprising since the first couple pages were all people saying this was a stupid thread ;)
I'm on the fence on this one. What intrigues me about it is the unknown element that this fight has. We all know how Floyd would seek to beat Cotto, Hatton, Mosely etc.
Williams however he'd have to fight a different fight than which he has ever fought before and the prospect of that intrigues and excites me.
Floyd is p4p number 1 for a reason and I don't think for a second that Williams is on his level, but styles definitely do make fights, after all Ali was taken to the limits by Norton and Frazier who the stronger punching Foreman just blew away in minutes. Yet we all saw what Ali did to Foreman......
It's a great matchup further down the line in my opinion, but the best thing is that it is only one of a possible dozen or more stellar possible fights out there to be made in the welterweight division alone.
2008 is going to be one hell of a year!
Well said. Ali, Foreman, Frazier & even Norton are excellent examples of how "styles make fights" work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by skyler
Though I do not think Williams can beat Floyd....Calling Margarito amatuerish is an example of just plain hating
I'm in total agreement with that observation. I think he would stay out and use his jab and outpoint Floyd all night long. Mayweather doesn't come in to fight, he waits for everyone else. It'll be Floyd trying to catch Paul the whole fight. Williams will just stand there and jab, jab, jab. Floyd won't get anywhere near him as that's not his style. Floyd won't ever fight that guy. I'd like to see Cotto fight Williams as it would be interesting to see how Cotto gets inside, if he can. Cintron/Williams would be a fun fight also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Has Floyd ever fought someone with a style even remotely similar to Williams?
I've never actually seen Williams fight, didn't have access to last nights fight, so I have no idea what his style is...
It certainly sounds like a dangerous fight for Floyd, but I'd be very hesitant to ever bet against PBF.
willaims wouldnt be aloowed to be busy, margarito is strait up and comes forward so u could be busy against him, with floyd u usally miss alot of punches so its hard to be busy, i see another floyd- caroles type fight
Williams certainly has the type of style that will bother any welterweight, including Mayweather.
I've always said that when you have an elite speed/defense fighter like Mayweather, it's not the straight ahead body punchers that bother them, it's the long, rangy fighters with jabs.
To beat Williams, Floyd would have to constantly get inside Williams' reach to land punches. That's very tough to do. Floyd could beat Williams, but it will be tough to do.
floyd would get inside,because PW doesn't have the footwork to get away..he'll stumble...margarito closed the distance not because he started landed but simply because paul's leg got tired....
he doesn't use his footwork to stay away, he uses a lot of punches, and if anybody saw he fight sharmba, and pank@#$$%%%$ or whoever that guy was...paul would just stand there with the clearly shorter guys and just pat away without any concern for defense..he'll get hit all night..i don't think he's ready yet..add a few more pounds of pressure to his jab and then he'll be the man at 147...i think even he know's it as he named cotto first-mayweather second...
mayweather beats him
Williams would win a comfortable decision against Floyd but the fight will never happen because Floys knows who he can and cant beat.