Anyone here thinking Margarito should be speaking English?

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

I don't think him speaking english is relevant to how he fights. I think he should try and he may be able to make more of a case the next time he feels he got robbed by stating his case rather than shaking his head at his opponent while the guy is shaking his hand at the end of the fight .. and/or turning up his nose at the decision... that just makes him look like a poor sport.

I think its just another fight where the guy who lost was frustrated and reaching for reasons he got outpointed that night. Magarito is probably used to be the bigger fighter. The reach factor was probably a big frustration. Add to the Williams's work rate and the fact that Williams tied up margarito on the inside. Williams was very beatable though. Especially when he wore himself out early. He was open for an overhand right all night and practically begging for it when he was stumbling out of fatigue.

Margarito did catch a lot of punches on the gloves but .. when offense and defense are at a stale mate, judges have to look at whos the aggressor.. or who's got the better workrate. Its like when morales said he got beat by Raheem because Raheem wouldnt fight him like a man. Yes, its true Raheem spent a lot of the night running and holding.... but your opponent isnt supposed to cooperate with you ... thats what makes it a competition.

Williams seemed to come out with a tactic of stick and move and throw lots of punches... rather than a plan of setting up margarito for something big ... or picking away at a weakness. Had Margarito solved the puzzled, got under Williams punches and worked the body before getting tied up...Williams could have found himself dead in the water with no plan much less a plan B. I also think Williams has reached the point where he will need a better corner soon. One that will help him work smarter instead of harder. If he keeps up that pace for every fight... His career will be shortlived.

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Bolded the part you hit the nail on the head :coolclick:

Margarito should not have to speak English especially here in America.

Freedom of speech man, I am a constitutionalist.

People should be able to speak English, Spanish, French or Pig Latin if they want.

I think that it matters even less when there are translators available.

He should learns English. It will always improve fighter's marketability if they can.

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Originally Posted by No Contest

LOL! I know a little spanish and the translator was definately putting his spin on things. I cant stand the translating when they go in the corners, he uses that annoying voice like hes giving the advice, I think its that white haired guy, they use all the time. At least a translator should have a decent speaking voice.

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I FUCKIN LOVE THAT GUY


that guy is the man

ray torres

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Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw

He should learns English. It will always improve fighter's marketability if they can.

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I don't agree with that look at MAB and his broken english I don't think that I has changed
anyone's opinion of him his marketability comes from what happens in the ring.

Another example is Mayorga, he markets himself just fine without using English.

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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce

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Originally Posted by Puya

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....I think speaking English is good for American citizens, I mean it wasn't tele-F******-mundo interviewing him......I F****** HATE people who won't speak English and are American citizens or hell even visiting the country.

I went out of the country and tried my best to understand foreign languages and use them and so on, it's just a matter of respect.


And before anyone asks YES you can respect where you are while remembering where you are from, it's the way it's supposed to be

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You see Lyle Americans Travel around the world and most of them complain why people doesn't know english at foreign contries. Can you believe that crap. So basically I'm saying that while people try to learn english americans never try to learn another language. take me for and example my everyday is in spanish but I manage to learn english I get mad when and american come visit Puerto Rico he complains that some people doesn't talk english and when I told the guy "Hey you are in Puerto Rico why you should try to talk spanish" he got mad.

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lmao learn an entire foreign language just because your visiting there? now thats funny.
Yes "english" speaking people who go to another country and get aggrivated at the non english speaking people is just silly. However lyle brings up a great point. You come to this country (usa) speak the god damn language. Pretty simple. You work in this country? Speak the god damn language.
My family moved to this country in 1976. my grandparents and their 11 kids all learned god damn english in 6 months. Its pathetic when i go to the DMV and i see 200 people all using the same god damn translator. Makes me wonder, you cant read/speak english, and your driving?
GOD DAMN!

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Agreed, CC

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....can you believe we have people coming to America illegally and going to schools that tax payers pay for and they (the illegal immigrants) PROTEST (via hunger strike) to #1 strongarm congress into signing the Immigration Amnesty bill and HAD THAT BILL PASSED, these bastards who are here ILLEGALLY! would not have had to pay out of state tuition and would have probably been given minority status meaning they would have been given spaces in the colleges over regular citizens.

IMO that is a huge show of disrespect to America and it's citizens

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Let me say this on that...

I hate the fact that the bill was not passed...but that bill was a turd in a toilet, IWO, from the start.

There are too many American companies making too much profit off of illegal immigrants for that bill to pass & too many of those American companies making too much profit off of illegal immigrants are lining to many senators & fat cat's pockets for that bill to pass in the first place.

Governments are so gotdam corrupt it makes me sick!

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NAFTA was a bad move

The bill was total BULLCRAP, we need to enforce the laws we already have not make new ones

they changed the fuckin pedestrian lights here a year or two ago, and the only reason i can think of is that there are so many people in NY who cant speak a fucking word of english

they used to say walk and dont walk and now they have a fucking hand and a stick figure

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw

He should learns English. It will always improve fighter's marketability if they can.

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I don't agree with that look at MAB and his broken english I don't think that I has changed
anyone's opinion of him his marketability comes from what happens in the ring.

Another example is Mayorga, he markets himself just fine without using English.

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Maybe, not in every case but it does help for a fighter to built a rapour with the fans.Especially when the fighter isn't the most exciting in ring.

He's a welterweight who lives in Tijuana
Most of his "fans" speak Spanish

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....let me add that if you want to speak spanish or italian or whatever in your home feel free but in public or while dealing with customers and stuff it has to be in the language of the land

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I live in Hawaii and people speak in Korean,Chinese,Japanese,Micronisian,Filipino,Somoa n,Hawaiian... I know what ya saying man.

Wow, it's not too difficult to figure out which of you guys are Republicans. :D

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

Wow, it's not too difficult to figure out which of you guys are Republicans. :D

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

Wow, it's not too difficult to figure out which of you guys are Republicans. :D

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Not it!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Canvasback

Everybody hates us, but everybody wants to come here. What's up with that?

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Here where exactly is here? ??? IS this website or server or Saddo American?

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

they changed the fuckin pedestrian lights here a year or two ago, and the only reason i can think of is that there are so many people in NY who cant speak a fucking word of english

they used to say walk and dont walk and now they have a fucking hand and a stick figure

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LOL really?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....I think speaking English is good for American citizens, I mean it wasn't tele-F******-mundo interviewing him......I F****** HATE people who won't speak English and are American citizens or hell even visiting the country.

I went out of the country and tried my best to understand foreign languages and use them and so on, it's just a matter of respect.


And before anyone asks YES you can respect where you are while remembering where you are from, it's the way it's supposed to be

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He was born, not raised in the USA.......... And you have that US silver dollar way too far up your ass to bring in lack of respect. Not everyone has a desire to speak English. This has nothing to do with respect but only limits his marketing ability. You are the typical US citizen that refers to himself as American when everyone in South,, Central and North America is an American. The same kinda US individual that wants to pay abroad with US currency but feels that paying for a Pizza in Texas with pesos is a crime.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Ofcourse Margo knows how to speak english. He's got thick accent and just didn't wanna sound funny in the eyes of many viewers.

JMM and MAB spoke broken english when Larry Merchant interviewed them after their bout...

Heck, even Pac doesn't speak english that well but he's trying his best and not ashame of it. Margo should do the same thing too especially knowing that he's an american born citizen.

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Why do have to bring Pac into every topic? I'll tell you Filipinos are not disrespected the way Mexicans are in this country. The average fillipino comes into the USA with a silver spoon via the US military or a medical profession ticket. Either way they do not come into this country earning substandard wages.

If Margarito speaks in broken English he will be perceived/ labeled as a cholo, uneducated or even the harsher wetback. So what if he does not master the language! Why should he allow the situation to control him for the sake of giving announcers material?

Pac's tore up FOB version of English does not even cause me to bat an eye. Filipinos are not part of the great make up of racial profiling here in the USA, yet!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....let me add that if you want to speak spanish or italian or whatever in your home feel free but in public or while dealing with customers and stuff it has to be in the language of the land

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Unless you really can't speak English, in which case then that's what good translators are for. And agreeing with my friend Puerto Rican Punch, I haven't seen much in the way of good translators in boxing lately.

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Yeah, agreed.....Wladimir and Vitali and Golota and a number of other fighters know english and they use it sometimes better than others. If you know it, use it.


I mainly have issue with people who live their everyday lives in America without at least TRYING to learn english. I'm not a bigot but hey EVERYONE ELSE WHO IMMIGRATED HERE LEARNED IT.

Which is of course completely off topic but oh well

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Margarito was only born here and not raised here .........

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

Sorry, but this thread is beyond ridiculous.

Antonio Margarito has lived in Mexico since he was one week old. Who cares if he speaks English?

Who cares what language any fighter speaks or doesn't speak?

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Why is learning and speaking English so ridiculous? You are saying learning something new or foreign is ridiculous? You come to this country to fight and you were born here and yet you still don't dare to speak her language? That is stupidity if you ask me.

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What does it matter if he was born here, he was back in Mexico when he was a week old!! That's like saying that if I was born when my parents were on vacation in China, then I should feel obligated to learn Chinese.

And what does it matter if he's fighting in the US? Should Lamon Brewster have conducted his postfight interview in German last week?

I'll always applaud someone for learning a second language, because it's an impressive thing to do, but Antonio Margarito is under no obligation to learn English. Personally, I'd rather have a fighter speak in his native language, where he can clearly express his thoughts thru an interpreter, instead of struggling to conduct an interview in a second language.

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Thank you for having a brain as now I can click out of this topic ...

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Originally Posted by LEGION

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Originally Posted by Mar

....and someone teach floyd senior some while you're at it !!

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LOL, good one. Roger could probably use a Speak and Spell himself,lol.

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Add Yoel Judah to that list as well. I can't understand a fucking word that guy says!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Puya

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....I think speaking English is good for American citizens, I mean it wasn't tele-F******-mundo interviewing him......I F****** HATE people who won't speak English and are American citizens or hell even visiting the country.

I went out of the country and tried my best to understand foreign languages and use them and so on, it's just a matter of respect.


And before anyone asks YES you can respect where you are while remembering where you are from, it's the way it's supposed to be

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You see Lyle Americans Travel around the world and most of them complain why people doesn't know english at foreign contries. Can you believe that crap. So basically I'm saying that while people try to learn english americans never try to learn another language. take me for and example my everyday is in spanish but I manage to learn english I get mad when and american come visit Puerto Rico he complains that some people doesn't talk english and when I told the guy "Hey you are in Puerto Rico why you should try to talk spanish" he got mad.

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I believe it....there are assholes from all nations Puya, America only has a few if you can believe that ;D

I am not one of those Americans that goes and insults anyone else's culture (I know it's hard to believe but it's true) I try to learn about different cultures and different people and respect them in hopes that people will come to America and respect our culture.

I know a bunch of spanish, I learned some french while I was in Europe but it's different there as if I am not mistake most Europeans learn English in school but I still tried to use as much french as possible.


....can you believe we have people coming to America illegally and going to schools that tax payers pay for and they (the illegal immigrants) PROTEST (via hunger strike) to #1 strongarm congress into signing the Immigration Amnesty bill and HAD THAT BILL PASSED, these bastards who are here ILLEGALLY! would not have had to pay out of state tuition and would have probably been given minority status meaning they would have been given spaces in the colleges over regular citizens.

IMO that is a huge show of disrespect to America and it's citizens

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I am nearly 50 years old and all my life the USA has had a illegal immigration problem. The exploitation was never an issue until children of illegal immigrants decided to go onto college. So the real issue is that neither people like you, like your fathers or like your grandfathers had the foresight or cerebral capacity to fix what is now an out of control situation. Now you wanna have a forum to speak ? As far as not paying taxes what do you call the 28% taken federally and 8% taken by state from payroll from those using false SS#'s ? That is 100% intake with no direct payback? In addition there is the tax paid on general consumer spending. What kinda moron would turn away that kinda money? That is why the Bill flopped !!!

Reduce the number illegal immigrants significantly and what we have is a reduction in government personnel and reduced departmental budgets. If you have ever worked for the gov't you would know you have to use or lose the budget. These are the points that are our politicians never tell us... And securing the borders is not securing the borders along Mexico alone. And as far as tuition most of those on campus' in the states are by products of their illegal immigrant parents but US citizens. Sounds like paranoia on your behalf that the color of the USA is changing and that the actual numbers do display a new voting power.

Then you go onto say how NAFTA was a mistake .......... For who ? For Mexico ? Canada excelled at getting their products in Mexican consumers hands as did the USA - You need to go to Santa Fe in Mexico City and you will see corporate office for every top 1000 USA company. What the US failed was to deter Mexico from opening similar agreements with Europe .. specifically France and Germany. This was caused by the USA's reluctance to truly open it's borders. Mexican Truckers are not allowed on US roads because they would have you believe that Mexican trucks are old, unsafe, and smog generating. Actually most are new Volvo and Mercedes trucks. Well of course we all know US union drivers would never be able to compete with low waged Mexican drivers they would become extinct. Then major US companies set up manufacturing plants "maquiladores" in Mexico where they could pay less and not have to adhere to EPA guidelines polluting Mexican rivers and streams. Well that marriage has ceased for the new gal on the block "China". I have yet to hear the lack of jobs that this creates for the American economy and the direct impact it has on Latin American scale of economies. And how it stirs an increase in illegal immigration.

Then you have the rebuilding of New Orleans and the need for cement. Well the USA decided to charge Mexican Global power CEMEX exceedingly higher tarriffs. So the US makes it hard for the Mexicans to even keep their domestic jobs. Antics like these are why Mexican politicians allow us US tax payers to fix its own drug and illegal immigration problems. This is the good ol neighborly love we display as our government continues to lie to us.

Sometime, somewhere we as US citizens have to be accountable for our own fate rather than blaming. Maybe if the Gov't had stepped in and regulated the bogus housing market we would all have a better quality of life. Now most families are dual income families and this has created a need for Nannies and a fast food culture and most importantly the demise of family values. The one thing I can say is most of us are leading a lesser quality of life.

The new American Way Sucks:
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Fast Food
Obesity
Dual Income
Latch Key kids
60% income towards housing
30% towards taxes
10 left to spend
Credit Card debt !!!!!!!!!
Retirement (Dreams)
Obscene amounts spent in the middle east war


I need to feel better ........ damm F*cking illegal immigrants !!