Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Ideas? Does B Hop move top3? How far does Winky drop?

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Neither of them should be in the p4p top10, but they have US passports

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I agree with this completely

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Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Ideas? Does B Hop move top3? How far does Winky drop?

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Neither of them should be in the p4p top10, but they have US passports

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I agree with this completely

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Oh really?.. Do tell us why then ? ;)

i would love to see hopkins-calzaghe.i believe that hopkins is the easiest of the 'super fights' for calzaghe.Kessler is the most dangerous opponenet for him,but without really knowing what goes on i can only guess that kessler is the only one that truly wanted to fight calzaghe.hopkins sure as hell dont want any of it!

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What no one can answer the question with out taking shots at the guy?

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There's nothing good to say. You said it all for me though. He's dirty and I still think he lost last night so all that did was make me like boxings politics less.

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OK that tells me two things

1. You did not read the post because I never said he was dirty I said I don't want to hear the comments about him being dirty or any other comments like that...I want honset opinions on where he ranks...

2. You don't have to like him to know the difference between being a fan and knowing boxing....If all you have to say about an 11 year Middleweight champion with the most defenses of all time and current Ring LHW champion...Who has on his resume names like Trinidada and DLH that he disposed of without breaking a sweat...the number 3 is obvious

3. You know S*** about boxing

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I forgot more than you'll ever know about boxing first of all. You're the one that was begging for a response so don't cry like a bi*** when you get it.

If you don't wnna hear that he's dirty then you should have said that you only want hopkins backers replying to your post. Even some of of them are not as blind as you and realize he's a dirty fighter and wouldn't be anywhere near where he is if not for illegal tactics.

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You forgot ore about Boxing then I'll ever Know :LMAO: :lol: :LOLATYOU: :lolhaha: :moon: :lolhaha: :lolololol: :LOLATYOU:


Don't embaress yourself any more then you already have.You have not even made a valid point on your post you are a :jester:

And your Tough Guy B**** Comments impress no one here at all...

Comments like that are usually made by people who are frustrated and have nothing worth while to reply with.....

Go Study Up Junior...Come back with the few facts you learn off the internet to try and make people think you actually do know something.....

You Have A good Day

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Daxx, you asked for an opinion and he gave you an opinion.


Is this a forum for boxing fans or just arrogant boxing "geniuses" ?


It is funny you are calling him the "tough guy" when you are the one who attacked him for stating his opinion.

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Yes I asked him to call me a B****........I am also sure I stated inn my post lets leave out the comments on how he is dirty....Excuses for last nights reason for a winn ect....Did he reply to that?...No

This topic was merged......And the topic of my thread was where does he stand as an all time great and great of this era.......

not once did he reply to that....If he didn't want to reply to those questions..

Yes this is a form for fans but there is also a reason threads have topics.....that is how a form works

When you just go around posting a fighter is dirty...or sucks or is over rated without anything to go with it or back a statement up on why then that is called SPAM..........

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Originally Posted by ryanman89

i would love to see hopkins-calzaghe.i believe that hopkins is the easiest of the 'super fights' for calzaghe.Kessler is the most dangerous opponenet for him,but without really knowing what goes on i can only guess that kessler is the only one that truly wanted to fight calzaghe.hopkins sure as hell dont want any of it!

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Hopkins doesnt want any of it? ::** ???

Your crazy..

There is a reason why Bernard has made alot more money and has a legact ten times the size of Joes..

Its also about the size of his nuts..

Joe hasnt fought all the big names and is only just starting to while bernard has become a living legend

P4P,I don't have Winky top 3 anymore:

Floyd
PACMAN/Hopkins
Rafa
Winky?

As for all time,NO WAY is B Hop top 15. I don't remember who said that but I TOTALLY disagree. He's been great,he's dominated who he has fought but facts are facts. His biggest wins have come over smaller guys. He lost twice to JT(that's what it will say when you open the record books)Echols,Joppy,Eastman,Holmes,Vanderpool,and undefeated 32-0 Glen Johnso,Winky,these are all good names but not names which make an ATG top 20 imo.

Well like its commonly said you can only judge a guy by who was available to fight...I'm sure if we look hard enough we could find some guys that Bhop could have fought but didn't, but for the most part he has fought everyone available and beaten almost all of them

I scored bernard that high gamo..

And personally i think its more then just bieng a fighter that will determine you when it comes to all time rankings

For example if Ali was polite and nice as pie then he probably wouldnt be half the legend he is..

Bernard is garaunteed a strong legacy..He has huge character.. Perhaps 15 is a bit high but as far as his legacy goes it will be very strong.. And who knows it may get bigger before he hangs them up ;)

He and a couple of others will be the utmost greats of this generation

Other than Roy who would yall say has been a more accomplished fighter than BHop in the last 20 years?

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I scored bernard that high gamo..

And personally i think its more then just bieng a fighter that will determine you when it comes to all time rankings

For example if Ali was polite and nice as pie then he probably wouldnt be half the legend he is..

Bernard is garaunteed a strong legacy..He has huge character.. Perhaps 15 is a bit high but as far as his legacy goes it will be very strong.. And who knows it may get bigger before he hangs them up ;)

He and a couple of others will be the utmost greats of this generation

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Character is irrelevant to me man. But very very true,he is the best fighter of this generation and he still has time to become an even bigger legend.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Well like its commonly said you can only judge a guy by who was available to fight...I'm sure if we look hard enough we could find some guys that Bhop could have fought but didn't, but for the most part he has fought everyone available and beaten almost all of them

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Very true but then again,you look at the other side,if those were the only guys available then that's just bad luck on his part,it still does not make him top 15 ATG. A bit like Rocky Marciano. Great fighter no doubt but how does his resume compare to the other great HW and P4P greats?I see this debated all the time.

I DEFINTELY think he is an ATG but my point was no way was he top 15.Not with the guys he has beaten ,regardless of why,those are the only guys he has fought.

Where does hopkins rank now in the current P4P list, he was #6 going into the fight with Wright. Where does he rank in the all time great list & is he the best fighter of this era even above roy jones.

I'm bad at these sorts of things but I would put him in the top 5 for sure

I don't think he is above Roy Jones Jr. IN their prime Roy would have beat him badly. I thought WInky would have won, but Bernard won the only way I thought he could... by being old school.

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I don't think he is above Roy Jones Jr. IN their prime Roy would have beat him badly. I thought WInky would have won, but Bernard won the only way I thought he could... by being old school.

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Even I believe that if Hopkins and jones met in their prime, jones would beat him 9 times out of 10 but in terms of legacy I believe hopkins at this moment has a more profound legacy with middleweight defense record, opponents like oscar, tito, tarver & winky and also doing it at 42 years old.

I think Hopkins should know be #5 & Wright #6.

I'd say that Hopkins will be considered P4P top 15 of all time once all is said and done. He's not as flash as some of the higher profile all time stars and hasn't had the specatcular wins in his career but he's dominated his division in a way few have ever done in history.

Achievement wise he's done more than Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon, he did what Ray Robinson could not do and won the 175 lb title and he's still going strong at 42.

He must surely rate above Marvin Hagler now on acheivements and Hagler surely has to be top 20 p4p all time.

You could make a case for B Hop being the greatest middleweight of all time, surely only Monzon, Hagler and Robinson come into the equation and I'd say as a middleweight Hopkins has achieved as much if not more.

As for Hop fighting smaller guys well didn't Monzon fight Naples? And Hagler fight Hearns, Leanord and Duran?

Oscar, Winky and Trinidad were all the best of Hopkins era and he beat them all.

He's definitely Top 15 p4p imo.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I'd say that Hopkins will be considered P4P top 15 of all time once all is said and done. He's not as flash as some of the higher profile all time stars and hasn't had the specatcular wins in his career but he's dominated his division in a way few have ever done in history.

Achievement wise he's done more than Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon, he did what Ray Robinson could not do and won the 175 lb title and he's still going strong at 42.

He must surely rate above Marvin Hagler now on acheivements and Hagler surely has to be top 20 p4p all time.

You could make a case for B Hop being the greatest middleweight of all time, surely only Monzon, Hagler and Robinson come into the equation and I'd say as a middleweight Hopkins has achieved as much if not more.

As for Hop fighting smaller guys well didn't Monzon fight Naples? And Hagler fight Hearns, Leanord and Duran?

Oscar, Winky and Trinidad were all the best of Hopkins era and he beat them all.

He's definitely Top 15 p4p imo.

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Greb has to be in the equation

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I'd say that Hopkins will be considered P4P top 15 of all time once all is said and done. He's not as flash as some of the higher profile all time stars and hasn't had the specatcular wins in his career but he's dominated his division in a way few have ever done in history.

Achievement wise he's done more than Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon, he did what Ray Robinson could not do and won the 175 lb title and he's still going strong at 42.

He must surely rate above Marvin Hagler now on acheivements and Hagler surely has to be top 20 p4p all time.

You could make a case for B Hop being the greatest middleweight of all time, surely only Monzon, Hagler and Robinson come into the equation and I'd say as a middleweight Hopkins has achieved as much if not more.

As for Hop fighting smaller guys well didn't Monzon fight Naples? And Hagler fight Hearns, Leanord and Duran?

Oscar, Winky and Trinidad were all the best of Hopkins era and he beat them all.

He's definitely Top 15 p4p imo.

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I would say hopkins was a better middle than SRR... Ray was best at WW and whilst he done well at middle he was on the decline, he never had a rubber match with basilio to decide that, he did pick up some losses, whilst hopkins lost at the end to taylor, it was clear to me that hopkins wasn't really fully commitied to his fights then, or even agasint eastman like he was in his younger days when he was more hungry...

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I'd say that Hopkins will be considered P4P top 15 of all time once all is said and done. He's not as flash as some of the higher profile all time stars and hasn't had the specatcular wins in his career but he's dominated his division in a way few have ever done in history.

Achievement wise he's done more than Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon, he did what Ray Robinson could not do and won the 175 lb title and he's still going strong at 42.

He must surely rate above Marvin Hagler now on acheivements and Hagler surely has to be top 20 p4p all time.

You could make a case for B Hop being the greatest middleweight of all time, surely only Monzon, Hagler and Robinson come into the equation and I'd say as a middleweight Hopkins has achieved as much if not more.

As for Hop fighting smaller guys well didn't Monzon fight Naples? And Hagler fight Hearns, Leanord and Duran?

Oscar, Winky and Trinidad were all the best of Hopkins era and he beat them all.

He's definitely Top 15 p4p imo.

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I would say hopkins was a better middle than SRR... Ray was best at WW and whilst he done well at middle he was on the decline, he never had a rubber match with basilio to decide that, he did pick up some losses, whilst hopkins lost at the end to taylor, it was clear to me that hopkins wasn't really fully commitied to his fights then, or even agasint eastman like he was in his younger days when he was more hungry...

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No other middleweight beat more Hall of Fame middleweights than Robinson did!

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Originally Posted by Galaxy.

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I'd say that Hopkins will be considered P4P top 15 of all time once all is said and done. He's not as flash as some of the higher profile all time stars and hasn't had the specatcular wins in his career but he's dominated his division in a way few have ever done in history.

Achievement wise he's done more than Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon, he did what Ray Robinson could not do and won the 175 lb title and he's still going strong at 42.

He must surely rate above Marvin Hagler now on acheivements and Hagler surely has to be top 20 p4p all time.

You could make a case for B Hop being the greatest middleweight of all time, surely only Monzon, Hagler and Robinson come into the equation and I'd say as a middleweight Hopkins has achieved as much if not more.

As for Hop fighting smaller guys well didn't Monzon fight Naples? And Hagler fight Hearns, Leanord and Duran?

Oscar, Winky and Trinidad were all the best of Hopkins era and he beat them all.

He's definitely Top 15 p4p imo.

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I would say hopkins was a better middle than SRR... Ray was best at WW and whilst he done well at middle he was on the decline, he never had a rubber match with basilio to decide that, he did pick up some losses, whilst hopkins lost at the end to taylor, it was clear to me that hopkins wasn't really fully commitied to his fights then, or even agasint eastman like he was in his younger days when he was more hungry...

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No other middleweight beat more Hall of Fame middleweights than Robinson did!

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To be honest though big stars like Robinson make stars of their opponents when they lose to them. Some of his hall of fame opponents are probably there by virtue of beating Robinson, a circular argument.

Robinson lost his middleweight title 4 times, Monzon never, Hopkins and Hagler once...........


plus look at guys like Basillio, Olsen, Turpin, Duran and Hearns and it's hard to make a case for any of them beating Hopkins imo.

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I'd say that Hopkins will be considered P4P top 15 of all time once all is said and done. He's not as flash as some of the higher profile all time stars and hasn't had the specatcular wins in his career but he's dominated his division in a way few have ever done in history.

Achievement wise he's done more than Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon, he did what Ray Robinson could not do and won the 175 lb title and he's still going strong at 42.

He must surely rate above Marvin Hagler now on acheivements and Hagler surely has to be top 20 p4p all time.

You could make a case for B Hop being the greatest middleweight of all time, surely only Monzon, Hagler and Robinson come into the equation and I'd say as a middleweight Hopkins has achieved as much if not more.

As for Hop fighting smaller guys well didn't Monzon fight Naples? And Hagler fight Hearns, Leanord and Duran?

Oscar, Winky and Trinidad were all the best of Hopkins era and he beat them all.

He's definitely Top 15 p4p imo.

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I would say hopkins was a better middle than SRR... Ray was best at WW and whilst he done well at middle he was on the decline, he never had a rubber match with basilio to decide that, he did pick up some losses, whilst hopkins lost at the end to taylor, it was clear to me that hopkins wasn't really fully commitied to his fights then, or even agasint eastman like he was in his younger days when he was more hungry...

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No other middleweight beat more Hall of Fame middleweights than Robinson did!

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To be honest though big stars like Robinson make stars of their opponents when they lose to them. Some of his hall of fame opponents are probably there by virtue of beating Robinson, a circular argument.

Robinson lost his middleweight title 4 times, Monzon never, Hopkins and Hagler once...........

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I know what your saying but names like:
LaMotta, Basilio, Fullmer, Olsen & Graziano can stand on there own His record against that stella group is 12-4-1.

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I'd say that Hopkins will be considered P4P top 15 of all time once all is said and done. He's not as flash as some of the higher profile all time stars and hasn't had the specatcular wins in his career but he's dominated his division in a way few have ever done in history.

Achievement wise he's done more than Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon, he did what Ray Robinson could not do and won the 175 lb title and he's still going strong at 42.

He must surely rate above Marvin Hagler now on acheivements and Hagler surely has to be top 20 p4p all time.

You could make a case for B Hop being the greatest middleweight of all time, surely only Monzon, Hagler and Robinson come into the equation and I'd say as a middleweight Hopkins has achieved as much if not more.

As for Hop fighting smaller guys well didn't Monzon fight Naples? And Hagler fight Hearns, Leanord and Duran?

Oscar, Winky and Trinidad were all the best of Hopkins era and he beat them all.

He's definitely Top 15 p4p imo.

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I would say hopkins was a better middle than SRR... Ray was best at WW and whilst he done well at middle he was on the decline, he never had a rubber match with basilio to decide that, he did pick up some losses, whilst hopkins lost at the end to taylor, it was clear to me that hopkins wasn't really fully commitied to his fights then, or even agasint eastman like he was in his younger days when he was more hungry...

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No other middleweight beat more Hall of Fame middleweights than Robinson did!

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To be honest though big stars like Robinson make stars of their opponents when they lose to them. Some of his hall of fame opponents are probably there by virtue of beating Robinson, a circular argument.

Robinson lost his middleweight title 4 times, Monzon never, Hopkins and Hagler once...........

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I know what your saying but names like:
LaMotta, Basilio, Fullmer, Olsen & Graziano can stand on there own His record against that stella group is 12-4-1.

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You think Hopkins would be unable to beat any of them? I don't..........

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I'd say that Hopkins will be considered P4P top 15 of all time once all is said and done. He's not as flash as some of the higher profile all time stars and hasn't had the specatcular wins in his career but he's dominated his division in a way few have ever done in history.

Achievement wise he's done more than Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon, he did what Ray Robinson could not do and won the 175 lb title and he's still going strong at 42.

He must surely rate above Marvin Hagler now on acheivements and Hagler surely has to be top 20 p4p all time.

You could make a case for B Hop being the greatest middleweight of all time, surely only Monzon, Hagler and Robinson come into the equation and I'd say as a middleweight Hopkins has achieved as much if not more.

As for Hop fighting smaller guys well didn't Monzon fight Naples? And Hagler fight Hearns, Leanord and Duran?

Oscar, Winky and Trinidad were all the best of Hopkins era and he beat them all.

He's definitely Top 15 p4p imo.

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I would say hopkins was a better middle than SRR... Ray was best at WW and whilst he done well at middle he was on the decline, he never had a rubber match with basilio to decide that, he did pick up some losses, whilst hopkins lost at the end to taylor, it was clear to me that hopkins wasn't really fully commitied to his fights then, or even agasint eastman like he was in his younger days when he was more hungry...

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No other middleweight beat more Hall of Fame middleweights than Robinson did!

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To be honest though big stars like Robinson make stars of their opponents when they lose to them. Some of his hall of fame opponents are probably there by virtue of beating Robinson, a circular argument.

Robinson lost his middleweight title 4 times, Monzon never, Hopkins and Hagler once...........

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I know what your saying but names like:
LaMotta, Basilio, Fullmer, Olsen & Graziano can stand on there own His record against that stella group is 12-4-1.

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You think Hopkins would be unable to beat any of them? I don't..........

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He may have, just giving reasons as to way IMO Robinson is a greater middleweight. Hopkins' wins over Tarver & Wright were @ LH so cannot be considered in his middleweight accomplishments. Take Robinson's middleweight opponents & compare that to Hopkins' & theres a wide margin!

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All right with out anyone saying he used his head,,,,Winky was smaller,, Hopkins was dirty,,,, The ring was too small,, Winky had a hangnail,, He timed his coffee wrong ect or anything else that can be thought of.....

I am looking for answers on just over all career wise.....

He is one of the greatest Middleweights of all time and now he has jumped up 2 divisions and had two fights against the top names in the sport

Where does this put Bernard on the all time list?.....

Where does it put him as a great of our era?.....

He has a good resume...He has been dominate....Most of all he has been able to be a top guy in his 40's....Something fighters have done in the past but mostly Heavyweights and LHW's....

If you had to rank Hopkins where would he fall???

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would prolly put him in the 40's-60's really... Whislt most people seem to love hopkins and think hes so great, i can't see it.. he is a very good boxer i give him massive props for doing what hes doing now at his age... still, what prime fighter has he taken out who are real names? tito and Oscar, neither were Middle's...

hopkins as far as i'm concerned should of left middle years ago, he liked it there coz he could coast it, when he got beat and had to leave he went up to the next weakest divsion at the time, skipping SMW to fight an overhyped tarver... the 20 defenses and total unification is enough to make him a great, but he aint up there with the cream of the greats, he never chased the big dangerous fights... to often he let them slip bye...

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Echols,Joppy,Eastman,Holmes,Vanderpool,and undefeated 32-0 Glen Johnson(you may remember that name,he took Roy Jones Jrs head off),and now Winky Wright
And he called Roy Jones out for years,only to get dodged

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and don't forget that 2 of his losses were contreversial, IMO cheating him out of his titles was the only way they could get him out of the Middleweight division and well they chose to take that route, i thought the first fight with Taylor at worst for B-Hop was a draw, and i had him clearly winning the rematch, but well, look at Taylor's gift card and you see three gift decisions, and a batch of JR middleweights, and a former welterweight champion

CC Galaxy on you're SRR points. Echols,Joppy,Eastman,Holmes,Vanderpool,and undefeated 32-0 Glen Johnson and WInky v LaMotta, Basilio, Fullmer, Olsen & Graziano: I know whiich ones impress me more. ;)

You just can't compare fighters from different eras...We will most likely never see another "golden age" of boxing. The number of people boxing today is much smaller. The fact is the greatest boxer in the world right now is working on his layup, 40 time or fastball and not doing bag work. For decades boxing was a way out of the ghetto/barrio/corn fields etc, other sports have overtaken it. With less and less people coming into the sport the overall quality suffers. You will still have periods where youll have 3-5 really good fighters in a respective division(like WW right now), but the days of several hall of famers fighting at the same time in the same division will be rare if at all. We will never know how Bhop measure up against MWs of other eras, but in his time and with the fighters that were available he is as dominant a fighter we've seen in quite some time

Check out Boxrec, Hopkins is 1 #1 P4P ;)

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Check out Boxrec, Hopkins is 1 #1 P4P ;)

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Not for nothing boxrec has the craziest rankings I have ever seen...I mean Winky dropped out of the top 25...

I got money that the next Ring Rankings will have him at 1. Even if Floyd doesnt retire.