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I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.
No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it? on the loudness of the boos as Floyd ran from Castillo?) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.
Well arguement could be made Floyd edged it out he did land the more cleaner punches and possiby won the first 4 rounds he stayed on the ropes too much on later stages in rematch he learnt his lesson and stayed off the ropes all the time and thats how he was able to beat Castillo quite comfortably by 3 rounds on my card.
Yep, but he still lost the fight my man ;) Castillo was much more aggressive, landed more punches and deserved the win in my eyes. He worked his bollocks off, I felt really sorry for him.
Floyd won the second fight no question I had him up by about 3 rounds if I remember right. Been a while since I seen it.
Well i think he lost too i watched it again today i gave Mayweather the first 4 rounds and some rounds were close but Castillo's effectice aggression is what won it in my eyes he was pressuring Mayweather in later stages and landing some great body shots i had Castillo ahead by 1 but arguement could be made for a draw.
I mean i watched Hatton vs Collazo ages ago and had Hatton winning by a point but i rewatched it lately and had Collazo winning by a point Hatton was very lucky to get razor thin decision in America.
Now THAT fight should have been a draw. Collazo really worked in the 12th and had Ricky in a lot of trouble. If Rick never got the knockdown in RD 1 Collazo would have had my vote.
Re: mayweather vs castillo
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I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.
No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it? on the loudness of the boos as Floyd ran from Castillo?) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.
Well arguement could be made Floyd edged it out he did land the more cleaner punches and possiby won the first 4 rounds he stayed on the ropes too much on later stages in rematch he learnt his lesson and stayed off the ropes all the time and thats how he was able to beat Castillo quite comfortably by 3 rounds on my card.
Yep, but he still lost the fight my man ;) Castillo was much more aggressive, landed more punches and deserved the win in my eyes. He worked his bollocks off, I felt really sorry for him.
Floyd won the second fight no question I had him up by about 3 rounds if I remember right. Been a while since I seen it.
Well i think he lost too i watched it again today i gave Mayweather the first 4 rounds and some rounds were close but Castillo's effectice aggression is what won it in my eyes he was pressuring Mayweather in later stages and landing some great body shots i had Castillo ahead by 1 but arguement could be made for a draw.
I mean i watched Hatton vs Collazo ages ago and had Hatton winning by a point but i rewatched it lately and had Collazo winning by a point Hatton was very lucky to get razor thin decision in America.
Now THAT fight should have been a draw. Collazo really worked in the 12th and had Ricky in a lot of trouble. If Rick never got the knockdown in RD 1 Collazo would have had my vote.
Yea i think draw would of been fair Ricky did land more but his punches were bit ragged didn't have much snap to them if you notice Collazo landed clean punches and had nice snap to them Hatton was rocked quite a few times and in the 12th he was lucky it wasn't called a knockdown remember at start of the 12th ?? and that 12th round arguably could of been scored 10-8 i did not score it that way but im saying a case could be made i like Hatton he has some guts on him and sounds a nice fella but me personally i don't think he is the man to beat Mayweather but we will see mate if he can atleast give good account of himself he will earn my and everyone elses respect a hell of alot more and i think USA public will feel the same.
Re: mayweather vs castillo
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I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.
No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it? on the loudness of the boos as Floyd ran from Castillo?) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.
Well arguement could be made Floyd edged it out he did land the more cleaner punches and possiby won the first 4 rounds he stayed on the ropes too much on later stages in rematch he learnt his lesson and stayed off the ropes all the time and thats how he was able to beat Castillo quite comfortably by 3 rounds on my card.
Yep, but he still lost the fight my man ;) Castillo was much more aggressive, landed more punches and deserved the win in my eyes. He worked his bollocks off, I felt really sorry for him.
Floyd won the second fight no question I had him up by about 3 rounds if I remember right. Been a while since I seen it.
Well i think he lost too i watched it again today i gave Mayweather the first 4 rounds and some rounds were close but Castillo's effectice aggression is what won it in my eyes he was pressuring Mayweather in later stages and landing some great body shots i had Castillo ahead by 1 but arguement could be made for a draw.
I mean i watched Hatton vs Collazo ages ago and had Hatton winning by a point but i rewatched it lately and had Collazo winning by a point Hatton was very lucky to get razor thin decision in America.
Now THAT fight should have been a draw. Collazo really worked in the 12th and had Ricky in a lot of trouble. If Rick never got the knockdown in RD 1 Collazo would have had my vote.
Yea i think draw would of been fair Ricky did land more but his punches were bit ragged didn't have much snap to them if you notice Collazo landed clean punches and had nice snap to them Hatton was rocked quite a few times and in the 12th he was lucky it wasn't called a knockdown remember at start of the 12th ?? and that 12th round arguably could of been scored 10-8 i did not score it that way but im saying a case could be made i like Hatton he has some guts on him and sounds a nice fella but me personally i don't think he is the man to beat Mayweather but we will see mate if he can atleast give good account of himself he will earn my and everyone elses respect a hell of alot more and i think USA public will feel the same.
CC, I agree with a large majority of your posts its like I wrote them myself ;D. I can't wait to see the Hatton-Mayweather fight. Personally I think Rick could have beat Mayweather if he was in Castillos shoes that fight, but I think Floyd has improved a LOT since then. I think Floyd wins but I hope Rick does us Brits proud and somehow battles like a bastard to get the win.
Re: mayweather vs castillo
I've always said it, boxing's scoring system is never consistent. We see a different fight on TV than those judges see at ringside. Until boxing doesn't come up with a better solution to this, it will never be as popular to the world of sports as it should be. That is why boxing has had a big down fall these past several years because we know that Promoters such as KING and ARUM have a lot to say about judge picking, etc. It's too shady when big fights come around. I think Oscar beat Trinidad, I think Oscar beat Mosley in the second fight, I think Castillo beat Mayweather in their first, I think Quartey beat Forrest and I think Winky beat Taylor. I also think that Whitaker's fight with Oscar should have been alot closer than what the 3 judges had it.
Boxing needs to come up with something better. I think the COMPU BOX stats should have some say into the fight or at least into the rounds that judges find tough to score. I also think we should have more judges. The more, the better, because it's harder to buy off 4 of 7 judges or 3 of 5 than 2 of 3 judges.
HERE IS THE WAY I THINK BOXING SHOULD DO IT. 8-9 JUDGES (3 RINGSIDE, 3 BEHIND A TELEVISION AND at least 2 Working the COMPU BOX stats).
Example (LET'S USE THE OSCAR - PBF FIGHT HERE)
Let's say 2 of the 3 judges at ring side saw it in favor of Mayweather, Mayweather gets that point. Lets say all 3 judges behind a Television saw it in favor of Oscar, than obviously Oscar gets that point. That leads us to what COMPU BOX says. That is going to determine who wins the fight.
Now, If those 3 judges behind the TV would see it all 3 or 2 of 3 in favor of Mayweather, than there is no need to go to COMPU BOX because Mayweather already has won the fight. This isn't impossible. This could easily be done. They just need a comittee of judges who are designed and trained for only the PPV main events or at least the huge fights. That way judges can see what the people at the stadium are seeing, at home and what a computer is seeing.
It's not hard to do and If the BCS for college football is based on a CPU deciding the championship game than why can't boxing use COMPU BOX as a source for scoring a bout?
Re: mayweather vs castillo
[/quote] Castillo clearly won the 11th round he outlanded Mayweather and worked harder than Mayweather in that round and also the 10-8 round you gave Floyd was Castillos round.
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i gave the 8th to Mayweather as he was using his jab and making Castillo miss a little bit, Castillo landed a few shots but i guess it you could agrue that either fighter could have won that round. The 11th i felt Mayweather changed the style of the fight as landed a couple of combinations and a few decent shot mot of Castillo's stuff was blocked
Re: mayweather vs castillo
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I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.
No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it? on the loudness of the boos as Floyd ran from Castillo?) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.
If you're so adamant that it wasn't a draw, then I hope you can list at least 7 rounds that couldn't possibly be given to Mayweather.
And I'll save you the time..... you won't be able to do it. You'll come up with 7 rounds that you thought Castillo won, not 7 rounds that Castillo absolutely won.
It was a close competitive fight with several close rounds. I could see it 7-5 Castillo, I could see someone having it 7-5 Floyd. I could also see it a draw. If you're saying that there's no reasonable scoring other than a Castillo victory, than obviously you didn't pay much attention when you were watching the fight.
Re: mayweather vs castillo
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Very close fight in which an argument could be made for either fighter depending on how your score the fight. I think Mayweather said he had a shoulder injury. The second time he had no injury and clearly won.
This is probably one of the reasons why there is some doubts on Mayweather being number one. He can't always convince everybody that he has won the fight. Pacquaio, on the other hand, had won his fights convincingly against Morales, MAB, Solis,Ledwaba,etc. Mayweather is very skilled but not very convincing. I love to watch his fights though.
The reason that's a ludicrous statement is the fact that Pacquaio has flat out lost before, more than once. At worst, even if Floyd would have lost the decision in this fight, how would that place Manny above him, considering he also has lost? Not to mention there was no rematch clause in that fight and Floyd immediately gave Castillo a rematch and beat him undisputedly.
Yeah but I would watch a Paquiao fight any day before MaywZZZZzzzzz.
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Very close fight in which an argument could be made for either fighter depending on how your score the fight. I think Mayweather said he had a shoulder injury. The second time he had no injury and clearly won.
This is probably one of the reasons why there is some doubts on Mayweather being number one. He can't always convince everybody that he has won the fight. Pacquaio, on the other hand, had won his fights convincingly against Morales, MAB, Solis,Ledwaba,etc. Mayweather is very skilled but not very convincing. I love to watch his fights though.
The reason that's a ludicrous statement is the fact that Pacquaio has flat out lost before, more than once. At worst, even if Floyd would have lost the decision in this fight, how would that place Manny above him, considering he also has lost? Not to mention there was no rematch clause in that fight and Floyd immediately gave Castillo a rematch and beat him undisputedly.
Yeah but I would watch a Paquiao fight any day before MaywZZZZzzzzz.
Have Pac jump up to 140 and see how exciting he is ;)
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Very close fight in which an argument could be made for either fighter depending on how your score the fight. I think Mayweather said he had a shoulder injury. The second time he had no injury and clearly won.
This is probably one of the reasons why there is some doubts on Mayweather being number one. He can't always convince everybody that he has won the fight. Pacquaio, on the other hand, had won his fights convincingly against Morales, MAB, Solis,Ledwaba,etc. Mayweather is very skilled but not very convincing. I love to watch his fights though.
The reason that's a ludicrous statement is the fact that Pacquaio has flat out lost before, more than once. At worst, even if Floyd would have lost the decision in this fight, how would that place Manny above him, considering he also has lost? Not to mention there was no rematch clause in that fight and Floyd immediately gave Castillo a rematch and beat him undisputedly.
Yeah but I would watch a Paquiao fight any day before MaywZZZZzzzzz.
Have Pac jump up to 140 and see how exciting he is ;)
And what does that prove he is in his weight class, why would he do that in time When he cant make weight then that is a diffrent story.
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Very close fight in which an argument could be made for either fighter depending on how your score the fight. I think Mayweather said he had a shoulder injury. The second time he had no injury and clearly won.
This is probably one of the reasons why there is some doubts on Mayweather being number one. He can't always convince everybody that he has won the fight. Pacquaio, on the other hand, had won his fights convincingly against Morales, MAB, Solis,Ledwaba,etc. Mayweather is very skilled but not very convincing. I love to watch his fights though.
The reason that's a ludicrous statement is the fact that Pacquaio has flat out lost before, more than once. At worst, even if Floyd would have lost the decision in this fight, how would that place Manny above him, considering he also has lost? Not to mention there was no rematch clause in that fight and Floyd immediately gave Castillo a rematch and beat him undisputedly.
Yeah but I would watch a Paquiao fight any day before MaywZZZZzzzzz.
Have Pac jump up to 140 and see how exciting he is ;)
And what does that prove he is in his weight class, why would he do that in time When he cant make weight then that is a diffrent story.
Mayweather is fighting way higher than his best weight class because that's something that you can do when you're the best. Watch any of Floyd's fights from 140 and down and you will see knockout power combined with superior ability.
Floyd at 147 or 154 would be like Pac at lightweight or junior welterweight. Pac's problem is that he isn't good enough to win at those weights because he would lose a lot of power while moving up and Pac without any power would be a garbage Pac. Mayweathers good enough that he can keep going up in weight and compensate for his loss of power by outboxing opponents. Pac can't, so he stays where he's at.
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Very close fight in which an argument could be made for either fighter depending on how your score the fight. I think Mayweather said he had a shoulder injury. The second time he had no injury and clearly won.
This is probably one of the reasons why there is some doubts on Mayweather being number one. He can't always convince everybody that he has won the fight. Pacquaio, on the other hand, had won his fights convincingly against Morales, MAB, Solis,Ledwaba,etc. Mayweather is very skilled but not very convincing. I love to watch his fights though.
The reason that's a ludicrous statement is the fact that Pacquaio has flat out lost before, more than once. At worst, even if Floyd would have lost the decision in this fight, how would that place Manny above him, considering he also has lost? Not to mention there was no rematch clause in that fight and Floyd immediately gave Castillo a rematch and beat him undisputedly.
Yeah but I would watch a Paquiao fight any day before MaywZZZZzzzzz.
Have Pac jump up to 140 and see how exciting he is ;)
And what does that prove he is in his weight class, why would he do that in time When he cant make weight then that is a diffrent story.
Mayweather is fighting way higher than his best weight class because that's something that you can do when you're the best. Watch any of Floyd's fights from 140 and down and you will see knockout power combined with superior ability.
Floyd at 147 or 154 would be like Pac at lightweight or junior welterweight. Pac's problem is that he isn't good enough to win at those weights because he would lose a lot of power while moving up and Pac without any power would be a garbage Pac. Mayweathers good enough that he can keep going up in weight and compensate for his loss of power by outboxing opponents. Pac can't, so he stays where he's at.
Bro Pac is just an example there are many fighters that are exiting ie. Rafa Marquez, Pac, Morales, Cotto, Vazquez ect. my deal is Boxing is entertainment and if you are going to fight and run and then claim your the best? We have lost the sence of what is Boxing. With the loss of Erick boxing will suffer momentarely untill another exiting fighter comes along. Why do you think MMA is becoming more popular than Boxing?
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Very close fight in which an argument could be made for either fighter depending on how your score the fight. I think Mayweather said he had a shoulder injury. The second time he had no injury and clearly won.
This is probably one of the reasons why there is some doubts on Mayweather being number one. He can't always convince everybody that he has won the fight. Pacquaio, on the other hand, had won his fights convincingly against Morales, MAB, Solis,Ledwaba,etc. Mayweather is very skilled but not very convincing. I love to watch his fights though.
The reason that's a ludicrous statement is the fact that Pacquaio has flat out lost before, more than once. At worst, even if Floyd would have lost the decision in this fight, how would that place Manny above him, considering he also has lost? Not to mention there was no rematch clause in that fight and Floyd immediately gave Castillo a rematch and beat him undisputedly.
Yeah but I would watch a Paquiao fight any day before MaywZZZZzzzzz.
Have Pac jump up to 140 and see how exciting he is ;)
And what does that prove he is in his weight class, why would he do that in time When he cant make weight then that is a diffrent story.
Mayweather is fighting way higher than his best weight class because that's something that you can do when you're the best. Watch any of Floyd's fights from 140 and down and you will see knockout power combined with superior ability.
Floyd at 147 or 154 would be like Pac at lightweight or junior welterweight. Pac's problem is that he isn't good enough to win at those weights because he would lose a lot of power while moving up and Pac without any power would be a garbage Pac. Mayweathers good enough that he can keep going up in weight and compensate for his loss of power by outboxing opponents. Pac can't, so he stays where he's at.
Bro Pac is just an example there are many fighters that are exiting ie. Rafa Marquez, Pac, Morales, Cotto, Vazquez ect. my deal is Boxing is entertainment and if you are going to fight and run and then claim your the best? We have lost the sence of what is Boxing. With the loss of Erick boxing will suffer momentarely untill another exiting fighter comes along. Why do you think MMA is becoming more popular than Boxing?
Like I said, Mayweather from 140 and down was far from boring. Mayweather today is fighting outside of his natural weight class by a ways so he can't really go in there and knock people out like used to. Some people like to see technical fighters (what the casual fan might refer to as running) and some prefer knockouts.
As far as mma becoming more popular than boxing....................
You could put any two mma fighters in history together in a ppv and it wouldn't do half the numbers of what Mayweather vs. Delahoya did.
mma has a long ways to go before it even starts to get close to boxing.
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Very close fight in which an argument could be made for either fighter depending on how your score the fight. I think Mayweather said he had a shoulder injury. The second time he had no injury and clearly won.
This is probably one of the reasons why there is some doubts on Mayweather being number one. He can't always convince everybody that he has won the fight. Pacquaio, on the other hand, had won his fights convincingly against Morales, MAB, Solis,Ledwaba,etc. Mayweather is very skilled but not very convincing. I love to watch his fights though.
The reason that's a ludicrous statement is the fact that Pacquaio has flat out lost before, more than once. At worst, even if Floyd would have lost the decision in this fight, how would that place Manny above him, considering he also has lost? Not to mention there was no rematch clause in that fight and Floyd immediately gave Castillo a rematch and beat him undisputedly.
Yeah but I would watch a Paquiao fight any day before MaywZZZZzzzzz.
Have Pac jump up to 140 and see how exciting he is ;)
And what does that prove he is in his weight class, why would he do that in time When he cant make weight then that is a diffrent story.
Mayweather is fighting way higher than his best weight class because that's something that you can do when you're the best. Watch any of Floyd's fights from 140 and down and you will see knockout power combined with superior ability.
Floyd at 147 or 154 would be like Pac at lightweight or junior welterweight. Pac's problem is that he isn't good enough to win at those weights because he would lose a lot of power while moving up and Pac without any power would be a garbage Pac. Mayweathers good enough that he can keep going up in weight and compensate for his loss of power by outboxing opponents. Pac can't, so he stays where he's at.
Bro Pac is just an example there are many fighters that are exiting ie. Rafa Marquez, Pac, Morales, Cotto, Vazquez ect. my deal is Boxing is entertainment and if you are going to fight and run and then claim your the best? We have lost the sence of what is Boxing. With the loss of Erick boxing will suffer momentarely untill another exiting fighter comes along. Why do you think MMA is becoming more popular than Boxing?
Like I said, Mayweather from 140 and down was far from boring. Mayweather today is fighting outside of his natural weight class by a ways so he can't really go in there and knock people out like used to. Some people like to see technical fighters (what the casual fan might refer to as running) and some prefer knockouts.
As far as mma becoming more popular than boxing....................
You could put any two mma fighters in history together in a ppv and it wouldn't do half the numbers of what Mayweather vs. Delahoya did.
mma has a long ways to go before it even starts to get close to boxing.
Dude, I didn't wan't to get into this but you really need to do some fact checking before you post this stuff.
Paquiao started at 107. He has won titles at Flyweight, SuperBantam, Featherweight and is currently considered the best superfeatherweight. He has gone up in weight just as many times as Floyd has. And yes, he is still knocking people the f*ck out.
