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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by ~Phil~
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Originally Posted by RP33
I think this fight is pretty simple to analyze. Kessler will not win a decision unless he CLEARLY wins the fight.. we\'ve seen how the refs and judges treat Joe and that cannot be overlooked while speculating the winner of this fight.. So i feel Kessler has to knock Joe out, and i think he can do it, but he needs to throw a lot of combos. So it will either be a KO/TKO for Kessler, or a UD/SD possibly controversial for JC.. i don\'t see Calzaghe dreaming of knocking Kessler out unless he gets a controversial TKO by premature stoppage like the Manfredo fight.. After watching the Manfredo fight, if i was Kessler i\'d make sure i was able to take a ref with me, or at least someone whos not from Joe\'s home grounds.
when has Joe needed help from the judges?
A lot of people would say in the Robin Reid fight
I have to say, with all due respect, that Reid put up a very good fight, but not quite good enough. On watching the fight, I think that the two judges who gave it by 5 rounds to Calzaghe were there or thereabouts on the money. I had it by four rounds to Joe, but we can't quibble on details like that. To be honest, I think it was the passionate home crowd and a favourable judge which allowed Robin Reid to actually have a real shout in that fight, and present a more even result between the two guys than it actually was.
Then again, I am a Joe fan, so I'm sure you'll be taking everything I say on the subject with a pinch of salt, whether I'm fair or not.
As for the post by RP33 which started this, I'm afraid that whilst Kessler could well win if he throws a lot of combos, the evidence of his previous performances suggest that throwing 4,5, 6 punch combos are not really in his repetoire, with the 1,1,2, being his main improvement on the 1,2. But, come fight night, if Joe loses fairly and squarely, I'll man up and admit that he was beaten by the better man, as I'm sure he himself will.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by ~Phil~
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Originally Posted by RP33
I think this fight is pretty simple to analyze. Kessler will not win a decision unless he CLEARLY wins the fight.. we\'ve seen how the refs and judges treat Joe and that cannot be overlooked while speculating the winner of this fight.. So i feel Kessler has to knock Joe out, and i think he can do it, but he needs to throw a lot of combos. So it will either be a KO/TKO for Kessler, or a UD/SD possibly controversial for JC.. i don\'t see Calzaghe dreaming of knocking Kessler out unless he gets a controversial TKO by premature stoppage like the Manfredo fight.. After watching the Manfredo fight, if i was Kessler i\'d make sure i was able to take a ref with me, or at least someone whos not from Joe\'s home grounds.
when has Joe needed help from the judges?
A lot of people would say in the Robin Reid fight
mate that fight was in england, reid was the bigger name, joe was welsh and had no real hype or a big following, no way can you accuse that as being a hometown DC in someone esles hometown.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by ~Phil~
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Originally Posted by RP33
I think this fight is pretty simple to analyze. Kessler will not win a decision unless he CLEARLY wins the fight.. we\'ve seen how the refs and judges treat Joe and that cannot be overlooked while speculating the winner of this fight.. So i feel Kessler has to knock Joe out, and i think he can do it, but he needs to throw a lot of combos. So it will either be a KO/TKO for Kessler, or a UD/SD possibly controversial for JC.. i don\'t see Calzaghe dreaming of knocking Kessler out unless he gets a controversial TKO by premature stoppage like the Manfredo fight.. After watching the Manfredo fight, if i was Kessler i\'d make sure i was able to take a ref with me, or at least someone whos not from Joe\'s home grounds.
when has Joe needed help from the judges?
A lot of people would say in the Robin Reid fight
mate that fight was in england, reid was the bigger name, joe was welsh and had no real hype or a big following, no way can you accuse that as being a hometown DC in someone esles hometown.
CC Preme. Couldn't of put it better myself ;)
I voted Calzaghe by Hard fought decision.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Polls. Get it? Wacko's Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs Kes
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by skel1983
;D
How come Kessler is choking Mayweather? ;D
Came back to read the updated posts and laughed at this one again. Damn, it just keeps catching me off guard.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Polls. Get it? Wacko's Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs Kes
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I refuse, to vote in a poll where an option is hometown robbery, and have Kessler by landslide instead. >:mad
WTF? >:mad
I ask, NO!
I demand an equal voting poll.
Until I refuse to vote. >:mad
Alright alright...I'll fix it in the morn.
Leave it to the gays to ruin a perfecftly good party...
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*For the record I voted Kessler by points. 8)
Whoops....my apologies. :-*
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Polls. Get it? Wacko's Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs Kes
CC#3082 me bwoy! it sure is a good to see 'yee around.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Polls. Get it? Wacko's Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs Kes
This may sound like simplicity and its finest but, I picked Kessler by hard fought desicion. Father time waits for no man and when its time its time, I think Joe's is about to run out.. Kessler is young and hungry and ready to take his place on top of the SMW mountain...
Calzaghe is gonna break his hands, without a doubt and is gonna be left with his asss hanging in the wind against a really good boxer that shows controled aggression.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Polls. Get it? Wacko's Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs Kes
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by ~Phil~
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Originally Posted by RP33
I think this fight is pretty simple to analyze. Kessler will not win a decision unless he CLEARLY wins the fight.. we\'ve seen how the refs and judges treat Joe and that cannot be overlooked while speculating the winner of this fight.. So i feel Kessler has to knock Joe out, and i think he can do it, but he needs to throw a lot of combos. So it will either be a KO/TKO for Kessler, or a UD/SD possibly controversial for JC.. i don\'t see Calzaghe dreaming of knocking Kessler out unless he gets a controversial TKO by premature stoppage like the Manfredo fight.. After watching the Manfredo fight, if i was Kessler i\'d make sure i was able to take a ref with me, or at least someone whos not from Joe\'s home grounds.
when has Joe needed help from the judges?
A lot of people would say in the Robin Reid fight
mate that fight was in england,
reid was the bigger name, joe was welsh and had no real hype or a big following, no way can you accuse that as being a hometown DC in someone esles hometown.
That's not really true, Calzaghe was the attraction, the one going places, Reid was coming off a piss-poor loss to Malinga (barring the gimme fight).
Good answer though for the Reid robbery ::** merchants.
I mean, as if a Londoner like Calzaghe is gonna get a hometown decision against a scouser in geordieland ;)
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Polls. Get it? Wacko's Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs Kes
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
This may sound like simplicity and its finest but, I picked Kessler by hard fought desicion. Father time waits for no man and when its time its time, I think Joe's is about to run out.. Kessler is young and hungry and ready to take his place on top of the SMW mountain...
Calzaghe is gonna break his hands, without a doubt and is gonna be left with his asss hanging in the wind against a really good boxer that shows controled aggression.
I think Kess is young & hungry but compared to Joe...he's still a bit green in the skill department.
Joe's fought with broken hands before & pulled it out...I'd expect the same to happen in such an esteemed contest.
Kessler will have a huge HUGE fight on his hands.
I still gotta go with Joe.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by ~Phil~
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Originally Posted by RP33
I think this fight is pretty simple to analyze. Kessler will not win a decision unless he CLEARLY wins the fight.. we\'ve seen how the refs and judges treat Joe and that cannot be overlooked while speculating the winner of this fight.. So i feel Kessler has to knock Joe out, and i think he can do it, but he needs to throw a lot of combos. So it will either be a KO/TKO for Kessler, or a UD/SD possibly controversial for JC.. i don\'t see Calzaghe dreaming of knocking Kessler out unless he gets a controversial TKO by premature stoppage like the Manfredo fight.. After watching the Manfredo fight, if i was Kessler i\'d make sure i was able to take a ref with me, or at least someone whos not from Joe\'s home grounds.
when has Joe needed help from the judges?
A lot of people would say in the Robin Reid fight
Thats one fight out of 40+ fights jeez every champion who has been going along time has a close decision atleast once in there career and that was no robbery that was very close fight that could of gone either way.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by ~Phil~
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Originally Posted by RP33
I think this fight is pretty simple to analyze. Kessler will not win a decision unless he CLEARLY wins the fight.. we\'ve seen how the refs and judges treat Joe and that cannot be overlooked while speculating the winner of this fight.. So i feel Kessler has to knock Joe out, and i think he can do it, but he needs to throw a lot of combos. So it will either be a KO/TKO for Kessler, or a UD/SD possibly controversial for JC.. i don\'t see Calzaghe dreaming of knocking Kessler out unless he gets a controversial TKO by premature stoppage like the Manfredo fight.. After watching the Manfredo fight, if i was Kessler i\'d make sure i was able to take a ref with me, or at least someone whos not from Joe\'s home grounds.
when has Joe needed help from the judges?
A lot of people would say in the Robin Reid fight
I have to say, with all due respect, that Reid put up a very good fight, but not quite good enough. On watching the fight, I think that the two judges who gave it by 5 rounds to Calzaghe were there or thereabouts on the money. I had it by four rounds to Joe, but we can't quibble on details like that. To be honest, I think it was the passionate home crowd and a favourable judge which allowed Robin Reid to actually have a real shout in that fight, and present a more even result between the two guys than it actually was.
Then again, I am a Joe fan, so I'm sure you'll be taking everything I say on the subject with a pinch of salt, whether I'm fair or not.
As for the post by RP33 which started this, I'm afraid that whilst Kessler could well win if he throws a lot of combos, the evidence of his previous performances suggest that throwing 4,5, 6 punch combos are not really in his repetoire, with the 1,1,2, being his main improvement on the 1,2. But, come fight night, if Joe loses fairly and squarely, I'll man up and admit that he was beaten by the better man, as I'm sure he himself will.
Oh come on Super no way Calzaghe won that fight by 4 rounds what fight were you watching ??
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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by ~Phil~
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Originally Posted by RP33
I think this fight is pretty simple to analyze. Kessler will not win a decision unless he CLEARLY wins the fight.. we\'ve seen how the refs and judges treat Joe and that cannot be overlooked while speculating the winner of this fight.. So i feel Kessler has to knock Joe out, and i think he can do it, but he needs to throw a lot of combos. So it will either be a KO/TKO for Kessler, or a UD/SD possibly controversial for JC.. i don\'t see Calzaghe dreaming of knocking Kessler out unless he gets a controversial TKO by premature stoppage like the Manfredo fight.. After watching the Manfredo fight, if i was Kessler i\'d make sure i was able to take a ref with me, or at least someone whos not from Joe\'s home grounds.
when has Joe needed help from the judges?
A lot of people would say in the Robin Reid fight
I have to say, with all due respect, that Reid put up a very good fight, but not quite good enough. On watching the fight, I think that the two judges who gave it by 5 rounds to Calzaghe were there or thereabouts on the money. I had it by four rounds to Joe, but we can't quibble on details like that. To be honest, I think it was the passionate home crowd and a favourable judge which allowed Robin Reid to actually have a real shout in that fight, and present a more even result between the two guys than it actually was.
Then again, I am a Joe fan, so I'm sure you'll be taking everything I say on the subject with a pinch of salt, whether I'm fair or not.
As for the post by RP33 which started this, I'm afraid that whilst Kessler could well win if he throws a lot of combos, the evidence of his previous performances suggest that throwing 4,5, 6 punch combos are not really in his repetoire, with the 1,1,2, being his main improvement on the 1,2. But, come fight night, if Joe loses fairly and squarely, I'll man up and admit that he was beaten by the better man, as I'm sure he himself will.
Oh come on Super no way Calzaghe won that fight by 4 rounds what fight were you watching ??
Joe Calzaghe v Robin Reid. You?
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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by ~Phil~
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Originally Posted by RP33
I think this fight is pretty simple to analyze. Kessler will not win a decision unless he CLEARLY wins the fight.. we\'ve seen how the refs and judges treat Joe and that cannot be overlooked while speculating the winner of this fight.. So i feel Kessler has to knock Joe out, and i think he can do it, but he needs to throw a lot of combos. So it will either be a KO/TKO for Kessler, or a UD/SD possibly controversial for JC.. i don\'t see Calzaghe dreaming of knocking Kessler out unless he gets a controversial TKO by premature stoppage like the Manfredo fight.. After watching the Manfredo fight, if i was Kessler i\'d make sure i was able to take a ref with me, or at least someone whos not from Joe\'s home grounds.
when has Joe needed help from the judges?
A lot of people would say in the Robin Reid fight
I have to say, with all due respect, that Reid put up a very good fight, but not quite good enough. On watching the fight, I think that the two judges who gave it by 5 rounds to Calzaghe were there or thereabouts on the money. I had it by four rounds to Joe, but we can't quibble on details like that. To be honest, I think it was the passionate home crowd and a favourable judge which allowed Robin Reid to actually have a real shout in that fight, and present a more even result between the two guys than it actually was.
Then again, I am a Joe fan, so I'm sure you'll be taking everything I say on the subject with a pinch of salt, whether I'm fair or not.
As for the post by RP33 which started this, I'm afraid that whilst Kessler could well win if he throws a lot of combos, the evidence of his previous performances suggest that throwing 4,5, 6 punch combos are not really in his repetoire, with the 1,1,2, being his main improvement on the 1,2. But, come fight night, if Joe loses fairly and squarely, I'll man up and admit that he was beaten by the better man, as I'm sure he himself will.
Oh come on Super no way Calzaghe won that fight by 4 rounds what fight were you watching ??
Joe Calzaghe v Robin Reid. You?
Yes but how in the world can you come up with that ?? theres no way Reid lost by 4 rounds it was razor thin fight even the punchstats were even come on Super surely you can't have Reid losing by 4 rounds your the only person i have actually come across who thinks Calzaghe won so clearly by that margin.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by ~Phil~
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Originally Posted by RP33
I think this fight is pretty simple to analyze. Kessler will not win a decision unless he CLEARLY wins the fight.. we\'ve seen how the refs and judges treat Joe and that cannot be overlooked while speculating the winner of this fight.. So i feel Kessler has to knock Joe out, and i think he can do it, but he needs to throw a lot of combos. So it will either be a KO/TKO for Kessler, or a UD/SD possibly controversial for JC.. i don\'t see Calzaghe dreaming of knocking Kessler out unless he gets a controversial TKO by premature stoppage like the Manfredo fight.. After watching the Manfredo fight, if i was Kessler i\'d make sure i was able to take a ref with me, or at least someone whos not from Joe\'s home grounds.
when has Joe needed help from the judges?
A lot of people would say in the Robin Reid fight
I have to say, with all due respect, that Reid put up a very good fight, but not quite good enough. On watching the fight, I think that the two judges who gave it by 5 rounds to Calzaghe were there or thereabouts on the money. I had it by four rounds to Joe, but we can't quibble on details like that. To be honest, I think it was the passionate home crowd and a favourable judge which allowed Robin Reid to actually have a real shout in that fight, and present a more even result between the two guys than it actually was.
Then again, I am a Joe fan, so I'm sure you'll be taking everything I say on the subject with a pinch of salt, whether I'm fair or not.
As for the post by RP33 which started this, I'm afraid that whilst Kessler could well win if he throws a lot of combos, the evidence of his previous performances suggest that throwing 4,5, 6 punch combos are not really in his repetoire, with the 1,1,2, being his main improvement on the 1,2. But, come fight night, if Joe loses fairly and squarely, I'll man up and admit that he was beaten by the better man, as I'm sure he himself will.
Oh come on Super no way Calzaghe won that fight by 4 rounds what fight were you watching ??
Joe Calzaghe v Robin Reid. You?
Yes but how in the world can you come up with that ?? theres no way Reid lost by 4 rounds it was razor thin fight even the punchstats were even come on Super surely you can't have Reid losing by 4 rounds your the only person i have actually come across who thinks Calzaghe won so clearly by that margin.
Calzaghe beat Reid by 2 IMO....not a great Calzaghe performance. Its all relative though. Lacy beat Reid up.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
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Originally Posted by ~Phil~
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Originally Posted by RP33
I think this fight is pretty simple to analyze. Kessler will not win a decision unless he CLEARLY wins the fight.. we\'ve seen how the refs and judges treat Joe and that cannot be overlooked while speculating the winner of this fight.. So i feel Kessler has to knock Joe out, and i think he can do it, but he needs to throw a lot of combos. So it will either be a KO/TKO for Kessler, or a UD/SD possibly controversial for JC.. i don\'t see Calzaghe dreaming of knocking Kessler out unless he gets a controversial TKO by premature stoppage like the Manfredo fight.. After watching the Manfredo fight, if i was Kessler i\'d make sure i was able to take a ref with me, or at least someone whos not from Joe\'s home grounds.
when has Joe needed help from the judges?
A lot of people would say in the Robin Reid fight
I have to say, with all due respect, that Reid put up a very good fight, but not quite good enough. On watching the fight, I think that the two judges who gave it by 5 rounds to Calzaghe were there or thereabouts on the money. I had it by four rounds to Joe, but we can't quibble on details like that. To be honest, I think it was the passionate home crowd and a favourable judge which allowed Robin Reid to actually have a real shout in that fight, and present a more even result between the two guys than it actually was.
Then again, I am a Joe fan, so I'm sure you'll be taking everything I say on the subject with a pinch of salt, whether I'm fair or not.
As for the post by RP33 which started this, I'm afraid that whilst Kessler could well win if he throws a lot of combos, the evidence of his previous performances suggest that throwing 4,5, 6 punch combos are not really in his repetoire, with the 1,1,2, being his main improvement on the 1,2. But, come fight night, if Joe loses fairly and squarely, I'll man up and admit that he was beaten by the better man, as I'm sure he himself will.
Oh come on Super no way Calzaghe won that fight by 4 rounds what fight were you watching ??
Well you got to remember that Rhun customarily watches fights enebriated with a sheep under his arm ;D
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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal
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I think this fight is pretty simple to analyze. Kessler will not win a decision unless he CLEARLY wins the fight.. we\'ve seen how the refs and judges treat Joe and that cannot be overlooked while speculating the winner of this fight.. So i feel Kessler has to knock Joe out, and i think he can do it, but he needs to throw a lot of combos. So it will either be a KO/TKO for Kessler, or a UD/SD possibly controversial for JC.. i don\'t see Calzaghe dreaming of knocking Kessler out unless he gets a controversial TKO by premature stoppage like the Manfredo fight.. After watching the Manfredo fight, if i was Kessler i\'d make sure i was able to take a ref with me, or at least someone whos not from Joe\'s home grounds.
when has Joe needed help from the judges?
A lot of people would say in the Robin Reid fight
I have to say, with all due respect, that Reid put up a very good fight, but not quite good enough. On watching the fight, I think that the two judges who gave it by 5 rounds to Calzaghe were there or thereabouts on the money. I had it by four rounds to Joe, but we can't quibble on details like that. To be honest, I think it was the passionate home crowd and a favourable judge which allowed Robin Reid to actually have a real shout in that fight, and present a more even result between the two guys than it actually was.
Then again, I am a Joe fan, so I'm sure you'll be taking everything I say on the subject with a pinch of salt, whether I'm fair or not.
As for the post by RP33 which started this, I'm afraid that whilst Kessler could well win if he throws a lot of combos, the evidence of his previous performances suggest that throwing 4,5, 6 punch combos are not really in his repetoire, with the 1,1,2, being his main improvement on the 1,2. But, come fight night, if Joe loses fairly and squarely, I'll man up and admit that he was beaten by the better man, as I'm sure he himself will.
Oh come on Super no way Calzaghe won that fight by 4 rounds what fight were you watching ??
Joe Calzaghe v Robin Reid. You?
Yes but how in the world can you come up with that ?? theres no way Reid lost by 4 rounds it was razor thin fight even the punchstats were even come on Super surely you can't have Reid losing by 4 rounds your the only person i have actually come across who thinks Calzaghe won so clearly by that margin.
Calzaghe beat Reid by 2 IMO....not a great Calzaghe performance. Its all relative though. Lacy beat Reid up.
Thats fine but 4 rounds its well off the mark im sorry but only way someone could come up with that is just being biased fan.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal
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Yes but how in the world can you come up with that ?? theres no way Reid lost by 4 rounds it was razor thin fight even the punchstats were even come on Super surely you can't have Reid losing by 4 rounds your the only person i have actually come across who thinks Calzaghe won so clearly by that margin.
Basically, although there were a lot of close rounds, I recall seeing Calzaghe edge it by three or four rounds, but to placate you I'll have another look over the weekends, and bring you my scorecard so you can see where I'm coming from.
And JT....you never turn down the sheep "rental" service from the next village when you come over our place for some moonshine and witch burnings...
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Re: Just another one of Wacko\'s Polls. Get it? Wacko\'s Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Yes but how in the world can you come up with that ?? theres no way Reid lost by 4 rounds it was razor thin fight even the punchstats were even come on Super surely you can't have Reid losing by 4 rounds your the only person i have actually come across who thinks Calzaghe won so clearly by that margin.
Basically, although there were a lot of close rounds, I recall seeing Calzaghe edge it by three or four rounds, but to placate you I'll have another look over the weekends, and bring you my scorecard so you can see where I'm coming from.
And JT....you never turn down the sheep "rental" service from the next village when you come over our place for some moonshine and witch burnings...
Fair enough mate i would like to see your scorecard actually so i can look back myself at certain rounds.
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Polls. Get it? Wacko's Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs Kes
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Polls. Get it? Wacko's Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs
I got Calzaghe by hard fough decision. I think Kessler is gonna present Joe with his toughest test to date. But I think Calzaghe is the better fighter! Kessler maybe the harder puncher but I feel Joe's speed & boxing ability will prove far superior in the end!
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Re: Just another one of Wacko's Polls. Get it? Wacko's Poll? Heh heh heh. Cal vs Kes
I have been watching some fights from both guys that have been posted on here.....I have watched both before of course. I have got to say, Joe has handspeed that is unmatched by anyone in his wieght class......possibly ever. On top of that, he has fairly heavy hands for his speed.... None of that Kassim Ouma stuff (although I like Kassim). His hands may break but experiene and skill will carry him through..
