PACQUIAO – THE BEST IN THE WORLD?

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Originally Posted by slk123

Please, by all means, let the (most recently accused anyway) "hater" (btw, totally not true) chime in here.

floyd has gotten to the top by fighting limited opposition (imo and many others).

If he wants to clear up the mess he has left, let him do something more along the lines of what RJJ has accomplished.

RJJ
Started at MW and went all the way to HW for one fight only but he fought a champion at that time and he won. He was outweighed by @ 30lbs.

All floyd needs to do to earn the admiration of his many fans is to go up to SMW (that's splitting the 30lb weight difference in half which imo is more than fair), fight a champion and win. Hell, even I would be impressed with him then. Too much for the exhalted one you say? Ok then, how about MW. I'm sure he can beat any champion there at least, he's the almighty god of boxing right?

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Mayweather has fought from 129.5 lbs all the way up to 154 pounds (24.5lbs difference) against much better opposition than RJJ.




Seeing as how this is some Pacquio glory thread........... where does he fit in in your theory??

hey hopkins and toney are better opistion then what ever floyde has face dude his best win is over a old oscar

cc there pacstraight and penalosa fan. as always, you are dependable.

cc also to mr140. you stood your ground amidst strong opposition. O0

cc also to ICB for his arguments.

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cc to cutmemick for being open minded.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

hey hopkins and toney are better opistion then what ever floyde has face dude his best win is over a old oscar

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Mayweather has the ability to ruin fighters............... he's done it many times.


As for your claim of "an old Oscar," a 4 year difference in age isn't that big of a deal, bro. Especially when you consider that it was Mayweather's first fight at jr. middleweight (not bad for a blown up lightweight ;)) and he took on a champion of Oscar Delahoya's magnitude. Of course, I'm sure that you were one of the majority of people that thought that Delahoya was going to win that fight before it happened ;)

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by Mr140

hey hopkins and toney are better opistion then what ever floyde has face dude his best win is over a old oscar

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Mayweather has the ability to ruin fighters............... he's done it many times.


As for your claim of "an old Oscar," a 4 year difference in age isn't that big of a deal, bro. Especially when you consider that it was Mayweather's first fight at jr. middleweight (not bad for a blown up lightweight ;)) and he took on a champion of Oscar Delahoya's magnitude. Of course, I'm sure that you were one of the majority of people that thought that Delahoya was going to win that fight before it happened ;)

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I also believe that Oscar won that fight.lol

With all due respect, there is ABSOLUTELY no way in hell Mayweather lost to Oscar. He beat his ass from 8-12 and rocked him twice. I don't like the guys attitude but he's skilled and he beat Oscar.

Alot will be calrified over the coming months. If Mayweather beats Hatton well,which he should,there's no way ANYONE can disute his status as P4P number one(and I'm one of of PBF biggest critics)

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Originally Posted by Mr140

hey hopkins and toney are better opistion then what ever floyde has face dude his best win is over a old oscar

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Mayweather has the ability to ruin fighters............... he's done it many times.


As for your claim of "an old Oscar," a 4 year difference in age isn't that big of a deal, bro. Especially when you consider that it was Mayweather's first fight at jr. middleweight (not bad for a blown up lightweight ;)) and he took on a champion of Oscar Delahoya's magnitude. Of course, I'm sure that you were one of the majority of people that thought that Delahoya was going to win that fight before it happened ;)

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I also believe that Oscar won that fight.lol

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Were you scoring the flurries that Oscar was throwing but missing ?? because Mayweather landed more cleaner blows and for certain won the fight no question i had Mayweather ahead by 3 rounds.

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by slk123

Please, by all means, let the (most recently accused anyway) "hater" (btw, totally not true) chime in here.

floyd has gotten to the top by fighting limited opposition (imo and many others).

If he wants to clear up the mess he has left, let him do something more along the lines of what RJJ has accomplished.

RJJ
Started at MW and went all the way to HW for one fight only but he fought a champion at that time and he won. He was outweighed by @ 30lbs.

All floyd needs to do to earn the admiration of his many fans is to go up to SMW (that's splitting the 30lb weight difference in half which imo is more than fair), fight a champion and win. Hell, even I would be impressed with him then. Too much for the exhalted one you say? Ok then, how about MW. I'm sure he can beat any champion there at least, he's the almighty god of boxing right?

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Mayweather has fought from 129.5 lbs all the way up to 154 pounds (24.5lbs difference) against much better opposition than RJJ.




Seeing as how this is some Pacquio glory thread........... where does he fit in in your theory??

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If PAC earns the top spot by beating MAB then so be it. He's fought all the way from JR fly to Super Feather fighting bigger challenges than floyd

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Originally Posted by brucelee

cc there pacstraight and penalosa fan. as always, you are dependable.

cc also to mr140. you stood your ground amidst strong opposition. O0

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No prob bro. Cc back :)

I'll Cc you later Bruce. 'Cant give you 2 CCs in less than 24hrs.

Know i didn't oscar was past it when they fought and mayweather was in prime i would of like oscar to win but i didn't bet on it and no way oscar was prime age is not always the case i think oscar was a past it but that just me he sure wasn't prime thats all i got to say to you and oscar is not better skill wisae as toney and bernard are and rjj beat them both when they weren't old

I love how frozen thinks that PBF had better wins then RJJ did i find that very funny

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I love how frozen thinks that PBF had better wins then RJJ did i find that very funny

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As far as their entire resumes throughout their careers........... absolutely.


Jones had a few big names on his, where as Mayweather has a few big ones and a lot of really good ones.

Don't forget that Jones lost to journeyman Glen Johnson and mediocre Antonio Tarver a couple times ;)



I'm not saying that it was Jones's fault, because there wasn't that much out there. But Mayweather has the far better resume............ which equates to better wins overall.



Do yourself a big favor and try not to refer to me later in threads because I will continue to make you look silly and ignorant.




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I don't think either Mayweather or Jones can say they have a far better resume than the other. It's close either way.

For what it's worth, Roy Jones' domination of James Toney is more impressive than any win on Mayweather's resume to this point.

Jones beat 2 ATG in B Hop and James Toney,in fact he beat Toney's ass easily. And he has more "good fighters" than Floyd on his resume. Tarver,Woods,Ruiz,Hill,Griffin,Macullum,Henshaw etc are better than Baldo,Sharmba,JLC,Hernandez,Chavez,Corrales.

Jones may very well have lost to Johnson and Tarver but that was after he went to HW and beat Ruiz for a portion of the HW crown,which was an amazing feat.

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I love how frozen thinks that PBF had better wins then RJJ did i find that very funny

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As far as their entire resumes throughout their careers........... absolutely.


Jones had a few big names on his, where as Mayweather has a few big ones and a lot of really good ones.

Don't forget that Jones lost to journeyman Glen Johnson and mediocre Antonio Tarver a couple times ;)



I'm not saying that it was Jones's fault, because there wasn't that much out there. But Mayweather has the far better resume............ which equates to better wins overall.



Do yourself a big favor and try not to refer to me later in threads because I will continue to make you look silly and ignorant.




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If we are talking the best wins then RJJ no doubt.

Mayweather's best wins

Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir
Oscar Delahoya
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Carlos Hernandez
Phillip N'dou
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti


Roy Jones best wins

Thomas Tate
Thulani Malinga
Vinny Pazienza
James Toney
Merqui Sosa
Eric Lucas
Mike McCallum
Montell Griffin
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Glen Kelly
Anthony Hanshaw
John Ruiz
Clinton Woods


And Hill, Hopkins Toney, McCallum are all HOF's im sorry Mayweather has beaten good opposition but he isn't on Jones level quite yet for best wins.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I love how frozen thinks that PBF had better wins then RJJ did i find that very funny

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As far as their entire resumes throughout their careers........... absolutely.


Jones had a few big names on his, where as Mayweather has a few big ones and a lot of really good ones.

Don't forget that Jones lost to journeyman Glen Johnson and mediocre Antonio Tarver a couple times ;)



I'm not saying that it was Jones's fault, because there wasn't that much out there. But Mayweather has the far better resume............ which equates to better wins overall.



Do yourself a big favor and try not to refer to me later in threads because I will continue to make you look silly and ignorant.




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If we are talking the big names they fought then then RJJ no question and im big Mayweather fan aswell.

Mayweather's best wins

Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir
Oscar Delahoya
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Carlos Hernandez
Phillip N'dou
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti


Roy Jones best wins

Thulani Malinga
Thomas Tate
James Toney
Vinny Pazienza
Merqui Sosa
Eric Lucas
Mike McCallum
Montell Griffin
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Glen Kelly
Anthony Hanshaw
John Ruiz
Clinton Woods


And Hill, Hopkins Hill, McCallum are all HOF im sorry Mayweather has beaten good oppsition but he isn't on Jones level quite yet for best wins.

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Factor in Jones's losses and add a victory over Hatton (when it happens) and Mayweathers has the better resume

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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I love how frozen thinks that PBF had better wins then RJJ did i find that very funny

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As far as their entire resumes throughout their careers........... absolutely.


Jones had a few big names on his, where as Mayweather has a few big ones and a lot of really good ones.

Don't forget that Jones lost to journeyman Glen Johnson and mediocre Antonio Tarver a couple times ;)



I'm not saying that it was Jones's fault, because there wasn't that much out there. But Mayweather has the far better resume............ which equates to better wins overall.



Do yourself a big favor and try not to refer to me later in threads because I will continue to make you look silly and ignorant.




Thanks

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If we are talking the big names they fought then then RJJ no question and im big Mayweather fan aswell.

Mayweather's best wins

Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir
Oscar Delahoya
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Carlos Hernandez
Phillip N'dou
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti


Roy Jones best wins

Thulani Malinga
Thomas Tate
James Toney
Vinny Pazienza
Merqui Sosa
Eric Lucas
Mike McCallum
Montell Griffin
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Glen Kelly
Anthony Hanshaw
John Ruiz
Clinton Woods


And Hill, Hopkins Hill, McCallum are all HOF im sorry Mayweather has beaten good oppsition but he isn't on Jones level quite yet for best wins.

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Factor in Jones's losses and add a victory over Hatton (when it happens) and Mayweathers has the better resume

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I don't think so forgetting the losses if we are talking best wins then even a win over Hatton would not put him above Jones beating 4 Hall Of Famers.

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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I love how frozen thinks that PBF had better wins then RJJ did i find that very funny

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As far as their entire resumes throughout their careers........... absolutely.


Jones had a few big names on his, where as Mayweather has a few big ones and a lot of really good ones.

Don't forget that Jones lost to journeyman Glen Johnson and mediocre Antonio Tarver a couple times ;)



I'm not saying that it was Jones's fault, because there wasn't that much out there. But Mayweather has the far better resume............ which equates to better wins overall.



Do yourself a big favor and try not to refer to me later in threads because I will continue to make you look silly and ignorant.




Thanks

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If we are talking the big names they fought then then RJJ no question and im big Mayweather fan aswell.

Mayweather's best wins

Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir
Oscar Delahoya
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Carlos Hernandez
Phillip N'dou
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti


Roy Jones best wins

Thulani Malinga
Thomas Tate
James Toney
Vinny Pazienza
Merqui Sosa
Eric Lucas
Mike McCallum
Montell Griffin
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Glen Kelly
Anthony Hanshaw
John Ruiz
Clinton Woods


And Hill, Hopkins Hill, McCallum are all HOF im sorry Mayweather has beaten good oppsition but he isn't on Jones level quite yet for best wins.

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Factor in Jones's losses and add a victory over Hatton (when it happens) and Mayweathers has the better resume

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I don't think you can use Jones' losses as the basis for an argument for Mayweather having a better resume. Jones was in his mid-late 30's when he lost to Tarver and Johnson. That's an age that Mayweather has not reached yet.
If we're comparing resumes, we should be comparing Jones thru age 30 with Mayweather thru age 30 (his current age). Jones' win over Toney is more impressive than anything Mayweather has done to this point.

From Pacquiao to PBF...

now PBF to RJjr

EXCELLENT!

Frozen the only one that looks silly is you i think rjj has the better wins and he does and the losses he has are past his prime and please frozen do me a favor and get off pbf dick it does not suit you very well

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Frozen the only one that looks silly is you i think rjj has the better wins and he does and the losses he has are past his prime and please frozen do me a favor and get off pbf dick it does not suit you very well

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lmfao!

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

Pacquiao should beat MAB, but it's still impressive if he does it. In fact, I give MAB a better shot at upsetting Pac than I give Hatton of beating Floyd.

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Well stated, fully agree on both statements.

The first in particular deserves to be repeated.

Pacquiao should beat MAB, but it's still impressive if he does it. (emphasis mine; intelligence SweetPea's).

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I love how frozen thinks that PBF had better wins then RJJ did i find that very funny

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As far as their entire resumes throughout their careers........... absolutely.


Jones had a few big names on his, where as Mayweather has a few big ones and a lot of really good ones.

Don't forget that Jones lost to journeyman Glen Johnson and mediocre Antonio Tarver a couple times ;)



I'm not saying that it was Jones's fault, because there wasn't that much out there. But Mayweather has the far better resume............ which equates to better wins overall.



Do yourself a big favor and try not to refer to me later in threads because I will continue to make you look silly and ignorant.




Thanks

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If we are talking the big names they fought then then RJJ no question and im big Mayweather fan aswell.

Mayweather's best wins

Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir
Oscar Delahoya
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Carlos Hernandez
Phillip N'dou
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti


Roy Jones best wins

Thulani Malinga
Thomas Tate
James Toney
Vinny Pazienza
Merqui Sosa
Eric Lucas
Mike McCallum
Montell Griffin
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Glen Kelly
Anthony Hanshaw
John Ruiz
Clinton Woods


And Hill, Hopkins Hill, McCallum are all HOF im sorry Mayweather has beaten good oppsition but he isn't on Jones level quite yet for best wins.

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Factor in Jones's losses and add a victory over Hatton (when it happens) and Mayweathers has the better resume

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I don't think you can use Jones' losses as the basis for an argument for Mayweather having a better resume. Jones was in his mid-late 30's when he lost to Tarver and Johnson. That's an age that Mayweather has not reached yet.
If we're comparing resumes, we should be comparing Jones thru age 30 with Mayweather thru age 30 (his current age). Jones' win over Toney is more impressive than anything Mayweather has done to this point.

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although totally out of topic, I agree with you sweetpea.

I not saying that pbf is bad frozen i think thats what you think i am saying but what i do think is at this point in his career he not beaten better fighters then rjj and has not clean out the welters yet but i will agree with you that him being a champion in 5 different divisions and still be undefeated at 38-0 i believe is his record does put him ahead of pacman hope that will clear things up for you