Unifying would be special enough I think. That would raise him in my estimation.
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Unifying would be special enough I think. That would raise him in my estimation.
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Unification is the main reason i have Tyson at 10 ;)
Well with that Logic, i cannot argue, n i totally endorse Jim's list :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
NICE! :highfive:Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Lewis fought a lot of real good fighters and made a lot of good guys look like shit. He also fought a wide variety of different opponent types. He beat tall guys with long reach (Rudduck, Akinwande). He beat a lot of huge punchers (Bruno, Tua, Morrison). He beat quality guys like Holyfield and Mercer. Hell he even managed to pull off a win against Vitali at 38 years old and out of shape. No the guy hasn't fought the compedition that Ali fought, but he's faced some incredible challenges and rose the occaision many times. He deserves a spot at least in anyones top 10.
Heavyweight ATG lists are always interesting so I thought I'd revive the top10 list according to the late Nat Fleischer.There are some surprises here!! Fleischer lived through the Ali,Frazier era and was known to state that "Ali would not make his top ten ATG heavyweights".
1 Jack Johnson
2 James.J.Jeffries
3 Bob Fitzsimmons
4 Jack Dempsey
5 James.J.Corbett
6 Joe Louis
7 Sam Langford
8 Gene Tunney
9 Max Schmeling
10 Rocky Marciano.......can't agree with that list
Fleischer tho did see them all fight.
Ring Magazine came up with this list
1 Joe Louis
2 Jack Dempsey
3 James.J.Jeffries
4 Jack Johnson
5 Rocky Marciano
6 Gene Tunney
7 Bob Fitzsimmons
8 James.J.Corbett
9 Muhammad Ali
10 Joe Frazier...............circa 1972
Lewis certainly deserves a top 10 ranking.
Talk about taking the side of the old timers i mean having Ali that low and Jack Johnson that high is a joke in my eyes
And with some thought i have changed my list a bit it is as followed
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Larry Holmes
3. Joe Louis
4. Lennox Lewis
5. George Foreman
6. Sonny Liston
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Gene Tunney
10. Rocky Marciano
I thought about it alot and has George done more then Lewis in the case of careers i mean this is how it stock
Foreman total title defences 5 Lewis total title defences 15
Most notable wins Most notable wins
Frazier twice Evander Holyfeild
Norton Mike Tyson
Lyle Mercer
Moore Morrison
Tucker
Grant
McCall
Bruno
Tua
Klitschko
I know that George was in the best era but Lewis was right behind his era in competion and it seems to me that he did better in his career and i think it can be argued that Lewis is above him in Foreman but that is just my opinion on that
And with some thought i have changed my list a bit it is as followed
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Larry Holmes
3. Joe Louis
4. Lennox Lewis
5. George Foreman
6. Sonny Liston
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Gene Tunney
10. Rocky Marciano
I thought about it alot and has George done more then Lewis in the case of careers i mean this is how it stock
Foreman total title defences 5 Lewis total title defences 15
Most notable wins Most notable wins
Frazier twice Evander Holyfeild
Norton Mike Tyson
Lyle Mercer
Moore Morrison
Tucker
Grant
McCall
Bruno
Tua
Klitschko
I know that George was in the best era but Lewis was right behind his era in competion and it seems to me that he did better in his career and i think it can be argued that Lewis is above him in Foreman but that is just my opinion on that
Sorry about that my computer lagged and i sent that one twice so thats why it is like that if you are wondering
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Originally Posted by Mr140
How could you possibly consider Mercer , Morrison, Tucker, Grant, McCall , and Tua notable wins?? Lewis beat an Ultra-Faded Mike Tyson and a mediocre Evander Holyfield that wasn't ever that good in the first place.
Lewis did beat Vitali by cuts, but we all know how that fight was gonna end ;) I guess Frank Bruno was pretty good for an English fighter, but not near the level of any of the fighters you mentioned as Foreman's noteable wins.
To have Lewis ahead of Foreman is laughable
Man i do not get were your coming from i did not say those were more notable but the number those wins togeather add up and they are no jokes
And trust me it is not laughable to look at both men careers were very close in overall achievement
And explain to me frozen why George Foreman career was so much better to the point were it is laughable to think Lewis could not be ranked ahead
Feel free to answer tommorow if you want frozen but i would like to hear it
The names that you listed for Foreman's big wins tower over any of Lennox Lewis's. Lennox did beat a washed up Evander Holyfield, but would have lost to him in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Do you think that George Foreman at any point in his career ever would have been knocked out by Oliver McCall or Hasim Rahman?? Not even super old Foreman would have, but young Foreman would have slaughtered both of them something fierce ;)
I think dominance edges prominence every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
The thing is. Lewis proved himself to be a dominant champion. Not only that, but the way he rebounded from his losses will always be memorable.
Foreman absolutely destroyed Frazier (In my opinion the most impressive Heavyweight win) but as a champion, he's reign was short lived as was his confidence. It took him years to fully rebound. That achievement is a blessing and a curse IMO.
DO you think a that lewis would lose to young i do not think so forzen
Young was good fighter he lost close decision to Norton had a draw with Shaver's in which many thought he won and made Ali look terrible but was robbed by the judges and took Foreman's best shots and comeback at him flooring him in the 12th Lewis would struggle to land any punches on Young and it would be a hard fight for Lewis make no mistake about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Don't let his record put you off Young was a hot and cold fighter but Young at his prime would give Lewis trouble.
But would he lose to him is the question i am asking and thats what i meant what you think ice
Yes he could do if he took Young lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Jimmy Yong. Now theres a fighter i know squat about.
Ok thank you ice cc and thats all i wanted to hear was what you ment and do you think it is a joke to think lewis could be ranked hire in the top ten heavies then George Foreman just wanted to ask
do you think it is a joke to think lewis could be ranked hire in the top ten heavies then George Foreman just wanted to askQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
No i don't Foreman may of had the better wins but Lewis reigned alot longer and had quality wins and what i mean by that is that Lewis beat about 10 good to goodish fighter's where as Foreman may of had better wins like Frazier twice and Norton but Lewis had more wins against top opposition if you can understand that :-\
Jimmy Young -vs- George Foreman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P4cOZE3yS0
well yea seems like i got sc and some telling me it was a joke to compare them so thats why i ask
Well i didn't give you sadclick i never give out sadclicks and to prove i didn't have a :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
i did not mean you i seem to agree with most of what you say i mean your a fan of my favourite heavy Holmes
How much consideration do yall give to could fighter A beat fighter B when ranking? I don't rank Lewis over Foreman b/c I think they are pretty even in most categories, but I think Foreman KO's Lewis. Same reason I don't put Marciano very high. Dominated a weak div and I think most great HW's would beat him.
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Originally Posted by Mr140
If somebody sad clicked you, it wasn't me. Sad clicking = gay.
And if you're not taking weak competition into consideration (which you almost have to when considering somebodies greatness), you would be hard pressed to find any heavyweight as good as Marciano being that he never lost ;)
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Originally Posted by Mr140
If Lewis fought the Young that was robbed against Ali, then Lewis would have been knocked out even worse than McCall and Rahman knocked him out. Regular Jimmy Young would have beaten Lewis, too. Not quite as bad though.
As far as rebounding from his big defeats.................
An all time great never would have lost to Oliver McCall or Hasim Rahman in the first place (Unless it was at the absolute end of their career, and getting VERY old). Let alone gotten knocked out by them.
frozen a punch in the heavywieght divison can change the whole fight
And to be fair i dont think that was not lewis at his best when he lost i think he took it lightly not a very good excuse but when he took it seriously he did the job with ease and as far as youndg goes i think he lose to lewis at a hunderad perecent but i could be wrong and if we are talking if i favored one i go with lewis because if he lasted the storm he put foreman away but thats just the way i fell and frozen lewis era was not weak so i dont get the marcino comment
Lewis's era was incredibly weak compared to young Foreman'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Actually the 90s era was 2nd strongest Heavyweight era ever name me a better era ??Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
I don't think the 90's was way weaker divison then foremans that sounds bias to me frozen
It may not have been as strong as Foremans, but hardly incredibly weak. U cannot deny that Lewis took on allcomers, and either defeated them first time or destroyed them in the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
Tyson
Holyfield
Klitschko
MCcall
Tua
Mercer
Briggs
Rahman
Botha
Ruddock
Grant
These names and more match up well with Foremans record.
The only one that standes out is his destruction of fraizer thats all for me at least but in number of good opponents lewis beat alot more good fighters and holyfield is a good fighter not ok one
Thats the truth 147 cc
Are saying i am right cause i dont have any way have 147 cc and my name mr 140 if that what you ment i will cc you any how cause i got one and i like cc i will even give frozen one cause i like agrguing with him he makes his points i just seem to disgree with him but all in good fun