Re: Were the judges smoking crack?
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I couldn't care less about punchstats, I don't bring them up ever, I've talked about how ridiculous they are and how inaccurate they are, I mean supposedly Gatti landed like 48 punches against Floyd. Please, more like 2. I don't care about the punchstats in round 1, it was clear to me Pavlik won it without the punch stat numbers.
Where did I mention punchstats? I'm with you all the way on that one brother! They're almost as subjective as the scoring.
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I just think Taylor's punches are real flashy and easy to pick up on, maybe that's why the judges love him because everything's easy to see, he doesn't do inside work, everything's long, quick and flashy.
Combine this with what I was saying about Pavlik's punches "looking" unimpressive, and that's my point about how the scoring is not so surprising.
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I can't think of any other reason he constantly, and I mean constantly, gets the benefit of the doubt in close rounds.
Well I guess that depends on how cynical you are... ;)
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If you scored it for Taylor fine, but the one thing I totally disagree with you about is Pavlik looking nervous, I'm not sure where that comes from. He's a very relaxed looking guy, the complete opposite of Taylor who is one of the most nervous looking fighters I've ever seen. He just looked pretty close to desperate by about the sixth round to me.
Really more overanxious than nervous, but it was his first championship fight. I think the whole immature tongue sticking out business was largely a product of nerves. Obviously as the fight went on, he settled down.
Re: Were the judges smoking crack?
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Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I couldn't care less about punchstats, I don't bring them up ever, I've talked about how ridiculous they are and how inaccurate they are, I mean supposedly Gatti landed like 48 punches against Floyd. Please, more like 2. I don't care about the punchstats in round 1, it was clear to me Pavlik won it without the punch stat numbers.
Where did I mention punchstats? I'm with you all the way on that one brother! They're almost as subjective as the scoring.
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I just think Taylor's punches are real flashy and easy to pick up on, maybe that's why the judges love him because everything's easy to see, he doesn't do inside work, everything's long, quick and flashy.
Combine this with what I was saying about Pavlik's punches "looking" unimpressive, and that's my point about how the scoring is not so surprising.
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I can't think of any other reason he constantly, and I mean constantly, gets the benefit of the doubt in close rounds.
Well I guess that depends on how cynical you are... ;)
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If you scored it for Taylor fine, but the one thing I totally disagree with you about is Pavlik looking nervous, I'm not sure where that comes from. He's a very relaxed looking guy, the complete opposite of Taylor who is one of the most nervous looking fighters I've ever seen. He just looked pretty close to desperate by about the sixth round to me.
Really more overanxious than nervous, but it was his first championship fight. I think the whole immature tongue sticking out business was largely a product of nerves. Obviously as the fight went on, he settled down.
The article mentions punchstats, that's what I was talking about. And people on here using punchstats as the reason why a guy should have won or lost, not anything you said.
Maybe he was a bit overanxious although I thought he looked pretty composed. The sticking out his tongue was obviously silly and hopefully he learned from it. The thing I wonder about is why, with all the big fight experience he has, does Taylor still look so nervous and overanxious. I guess he always will be like that.
Re: Were the judges smoking crack?
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
The article mentions punchstats, that's what I was talking about. And people on here using punchstats as the reason why a guy should have won or lost, not anything you said.
Oh yeah, duh...
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Maybe he was a bit overanxious although I thought he looked pretty composed. The sticking out his tongue was obviously silly and hopefully he learned from it. The thing I wonder about is why, with all the big fight experience he has, does Taylor still look so nervous and overanxious. I guess he always will be like that.
Yeah, we can only speculate about what's actually going through a fighter's mind.
Re: Were the judges smoking crack?
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
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By Danny Serratelli at Ringside (Oct 1, 2007):
"After the fight a lot of people questioned trainer Manny Steward's instructions in the corner. It seems that Steward, Taylor himself and many of the people watching the fight on HBO were under the impression that Pavlik was leading in the fight. From ringside, it is difficult to tell how they were under that impression. While there were several close rounds, most ringside observers were certain that Jermain lost no more than a round or two. It is becoming a trend for fans to put too much faith in punchstat numbers and commentators opinions that are often not totally in touch with the reality of what is going on in the ring."
I thought Taylor was ahead at the time of stoppage. To me it looked like he was landing the cleaner shots, and was slipping, blocking, and especially countering beautifully. I didn't think taylor was dominating, but it just looked to me like Pavlik was outclassed. Taylor was faster and his punches looked really sharp. I thought Pavlik was still in it because of his work rate, but he seemed a little nervous and overanxious to me. I thought Taylor was actually going to wear down Pavlik with his crisp counters.
Even though I've seen Pavlik fight a few times, I still get deceived by his punching power. I looks like he is flinging out wet noodles at his opponent until you see him land a really clean punch, and especially when you see it in slow-mo. I think that has a lot to do with me (and possibly the judges) thinking Taylor was doing more damage in most rounds.
I couldn't care less about punchstats, I don't bring them up ever, I've talked about how ridiculous they are and how inaccurate they are, I mean supposedly Gatti landed like 48 punches against Floyd. Please, more like 2. I don't care about the punchstats in round 1, it was clear to me Pavlik won it without the punch stat numbers.
I just think Taylor's punches are real flashy and easy to pick up on, maybe that's why the judges love him because everything's easy to see, he doesn't do inside work, everything's long, quick and flashy. I can't think of any other reason he constantly, and I mean constantly, gets the benefit of the doubt in close rounds.
If you scored it for Taylor fine, but the one thing I totally disagree with you about is Pavlik looking nervous, I'm not sure where that comes from. He's a very relaxed looking guy, the complete opposite of Taylor who is one of the most nervous looking fighters I've ever seen. He just looked pretty close to desperate by about the sixth round to me.
I like this post..we don't agree but you just posted your point maturely. It was valid too. Have a CC
Re: Were the judges smoking crack?
Pavlik had taylor hurt in 2 rounds on top of knocking him out in the seventh round.
Re: Were the judges smoking crack?
I had Taylor up by a point after the sixth round. A couple of the rounds were close and could have gone either way, but since Kelly was the aggressor and landed some cleaner shots and blocked more, I gave it to kelly. But thats just my opinion. I think the judges should of had it closer, but thats their opinion.
