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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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He'd make a good comeback fight for Lacy.
Thats not a bad option, altho we'll probably see him against a few more 20-40 ranked fighters who have no power so that he can get a title shot before ever being tested. And when he does get a title fight and if it is against a top guy he'll get KTFO.
I think Froch is a decent fighter even worthy of the top ten. However i think that there is just such a vast disparity between the "top" guys and the "elite" guys like Kessler n Calzaghe that he won't make it to the top.
Froch has a poor defence i don't see him beating the elite fighters.
well it cant be too poor if hes still undeafted right?
Undefeated against domestic level opponents and journeymans.
well Reid has a lot of expereince on the world level so lets wait and see right.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
He'd make a good comeback fight for Lacy.
Thats not a bad option, altho we'll probably see him against a few more 20-40 ranked fighters who have no power so that he can get a title shot before ever being tested. And when he does get a title fight and if it is against a top guy he'll get KTFO.
I think Froch is a decent fighter even worthy of the top ten. However i think that there is just such a vast disparity between the "top" guys and the "elite" guys like Kessler n Calzaghe that he won't make it to the top.
Froch has a poor defence i don't see him beating the elite fighters.
well it cant be too poor if hes still undeafted right?
Undefeated against domestic level opponents and journeymans.
well Reid has a lot of expereince on the world level so lets wait and see right.
In reality Reid is a domestic level journeyman whose claim to fame is a close loss to Calzaghe 8 years ago.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
Froch was interviewed after the Thaxton fight last night and he really does have alot of confidence in his own skills.
" I dont get involved in fights , i use my slick boxing to win"
Well try fighting a guy who is any good then we can judge you Carl !!!!
I mean Lacy hammerd Robin Reid a few years ago so wot is this going to prove at all ????
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Froch was interviewed after the Thaxton fight last night and he really does have alot of confidence in his own skills.
" I dont get involved in fights , i use my slick boxing to win"
Well try fighting a guy who is any good then we can judge you Carl !!!!
I mean Lacy hammerd Robin Reid a few years ago so wot is this going to prove at all ????
He has to fight it to defend his British crown, Reid is old i admit and this doesnt prove a lot, but i would prefer to see him fight Reid than nobody.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
Froch was an awesome amateur and has mega offensive skills, BUT his defence sucks a$$ and he WILL get caught when he steps up!
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Froch was an awesome amateur and has mega offensive skills, BUT his defence sucks a$$ and he WILL get caught when he steps up!
Totally agree.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
The fight has been posponed 1 week so it doesnt clash with Calzaghe Kessler fight :)
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
This is one of Frochs most recent fights, fair enough he stops Dodson by a body shot but the point of me posting it is to show how Carl has trouble with a jab and just basic boxing.
What he did to Dodson wasnt that great, hes been stopped twice before and Carls power looks to be overrated too, he lands a few clean shots that Tony walks through.
Robin deffo has a shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ogtR...Ephp%3Fid%3D21
PS, when people talk how good Carls chin is, who is the big puncher that has landed clean on him to prove it ?
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by ross
This is one of Frochs most recent fights, fair enough he stops Dodson by a body shot but the point of me posting it is to show how Carl has trouble with a jab and just basic boxing.
What he did to Dodson wasnt that great, hes been stopped twice before and Carls power looks to be overrated too, he lands a few clean shots that Tony walks through.
Robin deffo has a shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ogtR...Ephp%3Fid%3D21
PS, when people talk how good Carls chin is, who is the big puncher that has landed clean on him to prove it ?
it seemed like a pretty good punch to me. for that to come out from a body shot was better. It was in the 3rd round so you can tell Froch can knock people out when he needs to. To be honest you can think of every bad point and put it forward, but he must be doing something good to win all of his fights and 17 by knockout, i can tell you this, Reid is going to get KTFO!
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
It was a good punch but it landed on a journeyman whos been stopped twice before and had 3 losses going in with Carl
Who was the big puncher that proved Carl has a good chin ?
I remember watching Carl fight that little south african that was a light middle, he wore him down but his power couldnt put him to sleep, a little man like that !
Carls power looks good on paper but then you look at who it was against and its not that impressive.
Carl is gonna let you down mate, like I said, another Audley ;D
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by ross
It was a good punch but it landed on a journeyman whos been stopped twice before and had 3 losses going in with Carl
Who was the big puncher that proved Carl has a good chin ?
I remember watching Carl fight that little south african that was a light middle, he wore him down but his power couldnt put him to sleep, a little man like that !
Carls power looks good on paper but then you look at who it was against and its not that impressive.
Carl is gonna let you down mate, like I said, another Audley ;D
Carl has been fighting his best in his last outings, maturing into a better fighter each time. if that lightmiddle got in with him now it wouldnt last long! As for his chin he hasnt been knocked out so it looks okay so far.
Dont compare Froch to Audley ever again for a lot of reasons, its just plain disrespect more than anything and i dont remeber Froch promising to win every title the fight he is after is against JC.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by ross
It was a good punch but it landed on a journeyman whos been stopped twice before and had 3 losses going in with Carl
Who was the big puncher that proved Carl has a good chin ?
I remember watching Carl fight that little south african that was a light middle, he wore him down but his power couldnt put him to sleep, a little man like that !
Carls power looks good on paper but then you look at who it was against and its not that impressive.
Carl is gonna let you down mate, like I said, another Audley ;D
Carl has been fighting his best in his last outings, maturing into a better fighter each time. if that lightmiddle got in with him now it wouldnt last long! As for his chin he hasnt been knocked out so it looks okay so far.
Dont compare Froch to Audley ever again for a lot of reasons, its just plain disrespect more than anything and i dont remeber Froch promising to win every title the fight he is after is against JC.
Yes and if he waits much longer they will hav eZIMMER FRAMES i mean come on put up or shut up !!!!
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by ross
It was a good punch but it landed on a journeyman whos been stopped twice before and had 3 losses going in with Carl
Who was the big puncher that proved Carl has a good chin ?
I remember watching Carl fight that little south african that was a light middle, he wore him down but his power couldnt put him to sleep, a little man like that !
Carls power looks good on paper but then you look at who it was against and its not that impressive.
Carl is gonna let you down mate, like I said, another Audley ;D
Carl has been fighting his best in his last outings, maturing into a better fighter each time. if that lightmiddle got in with him now it wouldnt last long! As for his chin he hasnt been knocked out so it looks okay so far.
Dont compare Froch to Audley ever again for a lot of reasons, its just plain disrespect more than anything and i dont remeber Froch promising to win every title the fight he is after is against JC.
Yes and if he waits much longer they will hav eZIMMER FRAMES i mean come on put up or shut up !!!!
well hes currently waiting for his shot against the holder of the WBC title, so he has to have his shot by spring , i cant say this anymore!
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
Who has Froch beaten to be WBC number 1 ?
Who has proved Carl has a good chin ?
I take it your assemsment of Carls chin comes from all the journeymen who have found his chin with ease, not much of a boast "I know my man takes a shot, because hes always takin em" Non have been punchers.
Carls career is almost at a parralel to Audleys, except Audley was at least good enough to win the olympics
It has taken froch 5 years to face anyone recognisable on the title scene who is also a british name, Audley got beat, so will Froch
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
Maybe there are some parallels to Audley's career so far, we'll just have to see if Carl sinks or swim. I don't like Carl Froch at all, but I don't think for one second that he'd fight as negative as Audley, or be as scared to take a punch when in with the big fish, so comparing him with Audley in that respect is unfair.
IMO he lacks the skills to get to the top, he has a puncher's chance against most fighters, but that can only take you so far.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
well everything carl froch has pretty much said he has done, hes building his way into a more complete fighter and i can tell he is determined to be a champion. I dont no why everybody except for me is badly slagging him off, hes a decent fighter. In his last couple of fights you can truely see the determination that he wants to fight the tougher fights and they will come i know they will, he will finish off Reid and then i can honestly see him fighting Inkin and knocking him out.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
Ive been more impressed with Froch of late but can't get out of my head the "nobodies" bouncing "bombs" off his head.
Froch makes for a good fight.. still not convinced he wont end-up getting seriously exposed though.
The Reid fight is understandable but is a no win fight. If he loses he's fucked. If he looks bad winning he's gonna get it. If he wins easy - so what.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Ive been more impressed with Froch of late but can't get out of my head the "nobodies" bouncing "bombs" off his head.
Froch makes for a good fight.. still not convinced he wont end-up getting seriously exposed though.
The Reid fight is understandable but is a no win fight. If he loses he's fucked. If he looks bad winning he's gonna get it. If he wins easy - so what.
If he knocks him out well with style it will grab the top peoples attention because Froch is dangerous, if any top fighter got caught with one of his right uppercuts they will be rocked
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Ive been more impressed with Froch of late but can't get out of my head the "nobodies" bouncing "bombs" off his head.
Froch makes for a good fight.. still not convinced he wont end-up getting seriously exposed though.
The Reid fight is understandable but is a no win fight. If he loses he's fucked. If he looks bad winning he's gonna get it. If he wins easy - so what.
If he knocks him out well with style it will grab the top peoples attention because Froch is dangerous, if any top fighter got caught with one of his right uppercuts they will be rocked
But the problem is everyone knows Reid is finished. The general feeling will be - oh well what did you expect. Plus Reid has always been able to make fights UGLY.
Unfortunately the fight is happening at the same time as Calzaghe-Kessler so I doubt it will hardly get anyones attention
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Ive been more impressed with Froch of late but can't get out of my head the "nobodies" bouncing "bombs" off his head.
Froch makes for a good fight.. still not convinced he wont end-up getting seriously exposed though.
The Reid fight is understandable but is a no win fight. If he loses he's fucked. If he looks bad winning he's gonna get it. If he wins easy - so what.
If he knocks him out well with style it will grab the top peoples attention because Froch is dangerous, if any top fighter got caught with one of his right uppercuts they will be rocked
But the problem is everyone knows Reid is finished. The general feeling will be - oh well what did you expect. Plus Reid has always been able to make fights UGLY.
Unfortunately the fight is happening at the same time as Calzaghe-Kessler so I doubt it will hardly get anyones attention
But the point ive been trying to make to everyone is he is the number one, and the most common response is, who has he beaten to be number one etc etc. i dont decided the ratings, i think he cant do much else than win the fight thats put ahead of him! He HAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to fight for the title before spring, so the only thing Carl can do till then is fight who is in front of him and knock them out, hes been looking very good of late doing that. Yes the oppostion isnt the best, but hes showed that he is better than his fighting oppostion by knocking them out.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
He could have gone a long way to realising his own hype by accepting the offer warren made him to challenge joe, no matter how derogatory the offer was, that was his ticket to the top of the division and star status right there but he turned it down ::**
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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He could have gone a long way to realising his own hype by accepting the offer warren made him to challenge joe, no matter how derogatory the offer was, that was his ticket to the top of the division and star status right there but he turned it down ::**
It fell through due to injury and JC fight kessler...
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
Well as a genuine fan of Carls you must surely find his career frustrating ?
Hes fighting Robin reid who was beaten very comprehensivly by lacy 2 years ago and has had only 1 fight since
As a fan of Reids im excited that hes getting an opportunity to fight Carl at his most beatable, hes not completed 5 rounds in the last 17 months has been out for 8 months and is coming back from knee surgery
Robin knows how to spoil and be rough, he knows how to pace himself
This is a dangerous fight for Carl because of Reids proved class, Carl will not be sharp and this will let Reid get in to it early, this will help Robin get in a rythm.
Maybe Carl should have taken the adamu rematch
As Frochs manager you would have to be concerened with whoever he is fighting at this delecate point in his career, Robin isnt a soft touch
Lacy was doing ok against him for the first 5 rounds but it was an ilegal shot that started Reids downfall in that fight, so as a fan i can take Robin going down like he did with a pinch of salt, any fighter who gets hit full blown with a right hook by Jeff Lacy while looking away will go down
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Well as a genuine fan of Carls you must surely find his career frustrating ?
Hes fighting Robin reid who was beaten very comprehensivly by lacy 2 years ago and has had only 1 fight since
As a fan of Reids im excited that hes getting an opportunity to fight Carl at his most beatable, hes not completed 5 rounds in the last 17 months has been out for 8 months and is coming back from knee surgery
Robin knows how to spoil and be rough, he knows how to pace himself
This is a dangerous fight for Carl because of Reids proved class, Carl will not be sharp and this will let Reid get in to it early, this will help Robin get in a rythm.
Maybe Carl should have taken the adamu rematch
As Frochs manager you would have to be concerened with whoever he is fighting at this delecate point in his career, Robin isnt a soft touch
Lacy was doing ok against him for the first 5 rounds but it was an ilegal shot that started Reids downfall in that fight, so as a fan i can take Robin going down like he did with a pinch of salt, any fighter who gets hit full blown with a right hook by Jeff Lacy while looking away will go down
Im not frustrated to be honest because hes building himself into a better fighter, showing us that he is a very good power puncher and the determination on his is outstanding. I know that he should have maybe had better opposition but at the end of the day what can he do other than fight the person whos put in front of him? The way you are talking about Reid is making him sound like a decent fighter, so whats ure problem then? I think after this fight if Froch gets through it he will fight a harder fighter and then get his shot at the WBC title.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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I think after this fight if Froch gets through it he will fight a harder fighter and then get his shot at the WBC title.
Froch is mandatory challenger for the EBU title, and according to EBU's website there is a deadline for purse offers in November. Christian Sanavia currently holds it, with a voluntary defense against Danilo Haussler coming up.
Is this a likely fight for Froch to take? Surely it's a considerable step up from anyone he has faced so far, but then again he needs to prove himself at some point.
(Also I'd love to see Froch in the ring wit Mads Larsen, if only for the reason I am completely confident Larsen would beat him... )
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I dont think he'll be beaten in Europe.
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You dont think Froch will be beaten in Europe ?
Thats odd seeing as all the best 12 stoners are european
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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You dont think Froch will be beaten in Europe ?
Thats odd seeing as all the best 12 stoners are european
At Euro Level.
And at world level apart from Kessler, Calzaghe the only Europeans at the top of SM are Beyer and Braehmer who Froch would beat.
Unless u count Russia and The former Soviet Block i guess. Then u could add Inkin Bute n Tsypko i guess.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
Ya can check out his own site here http://www.cobraboxing.com/ It's just been launched, but still a very nice looking site, full of all the things ya need to know about Carl 8)
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Ya can check out his own site here
http://www.cobraboxing.com/ It's just been launched, but still a very nice looking site, full of all the things ya need to know about Carl 8)
Don't see it being very popular with anyone outside of the UK as they really have no reason to notice Carl yet.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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You dont think Froch will be beaten in Europe ?
Thats odd seeing as all the best 12 stoners are european
At Euro Level.
And at world level apart from Kessler, Calzaghe the only Europeans at the top of SM are Beyer and Braehmer who Froch would beat.
Unless u count Russia and The former Soviet Block i guess. Then u could add Inkin Bute n Tsypko i guess.
I would pick Braehmer over Carl Fraud. I think he's better fighter
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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You dont think Froch will be beaten in Europe ?
Thats odd seeing as all the best 12 stoners are european
At Euro Level.
And at world level apart from Kessler, Calzaghe the only Europeans at the top of SM are Beyer and Braehmer who Froch would beat.
Unless u count Russia and The former Soviet Block i guess. Then u could add Inkin Bute n Tsypko i guess.
I would pick Braehmer over Carl Fraud. I think he's better fighter
Braehmer is another guy that like Froch, is showing signs but never fully following thru and convincing me.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
I think Lucian Bute would take Froch.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by ross
You dont think Froch will be beaten in Europe ?
Thats odd seeing as all the best 12 stoners are european
At Euro Level.
And at world level apart from Kessler, Calzaghe the only Europeans at the top of SM are Beyer and Braehmer who Froch would beat.
Unless u count Russia and The former Soviet Block i guess. Then u could add Inkin Bute n Tsypko i guess.
I would pick Braehmer over Carl Fraud. I think he's better fighter
Give me some decent reasons why he is a fraud?
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by ross
You dont think Froch will be beaten in Europe ?
Thats odd seeing as all the best 12 stoners are european
At Euro Level.
And at world level apart from Kessler, Calzaghe the only Europeans at the top of SM are Beyer and Braehmer who Froch would beat.
Unless u count Russia and The former Soviet Block i guess. Then u could add Inkin Bute n Tsypko i guess.
I would pick Braehmer over Carl Fraud. I think he's better fighter
Give me some decent reasons why he is a fraud?
Just read back on this thread for your answer. The man has beaten nobody of note. His next opponent is a washed up fighter who took a bad beating in his last big fight. He has a fighting style that would get him knocked out by the top names. I ain't no Calzaghe fan, but even I think he stops Fraud early. Yet some how you think he's the next big thing. Based on what?
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
Yes Froch has beaten nobody and is 30 years old .
so does he wait another 5 years and then make his move !!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
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Yes Froch has beaten nobody and is 30 years old .
so does he wait another 5 years and then make his move !!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
Holy Shit, this has put paid to one of my theories. I actually thought, with all the abuse you were giving Joe C, that you WERE that shit head Carl Froch.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Yes Froch has beaten nobody and is 30 years old .
so does he wait another 5 years and then make his move !!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
The move is coming in spring lol, he has a shot at the WBC crown for like the 10th time ive said in the thread. He will get a shot and i think he will do well.
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Re: Question for tam seddon - ref: Froch
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by ross
You dont think Froch will be beaten in Europe ?
Thats odd seeing as all the best 12 stoners are european
At Euro Level.
And at world level apart from Kessler, Calzaghe the only Europeans at the top of SM are Beyer and Braehmer who Froch would beat.
Unless u count Russia and The former Soviet Block i guess. Then u could add Inkin Bute n Tsypko i guess.
I would pick Braehmer over Carl Fraud. I think he's better fighter
Give me some decent reasons why he is a fraud?
Just read back on this thread for your answer. The man has beaten nobody of note. His next opponent is a washed up fighter who took a bad beating in his last big fight. He has a fighting style that would get him knocked out by the top names. I ain't no Calzaghe fan, but even I think he stops Fraud early. Yet some how you think he's the next big thing. Based on what?
well hes not exactly a fraud if he losed. i dont remember him ever promising to bring back all of these world titles like Audley Harrison, he has good confidence and then he back that up in the ring with producing the goods. Hes bigger fights are to come, but hes getting more good experience which he is going to need for the higher level. I wouldnt call him a Fraud, VD. I think you mean hes not leaving up to what he should be, maybe fighting a bit slow, but a fraud is one too far.
