Re: Is Samuel Peter Overrated ??
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
A bad night getting decked 3 times by a fighter you was supposed to wipe out ?? i call that a disaster.
What would you call Marquez vs Pacquiao? ;)
Thats totally different Marquez was caught cold by one of the best boxers in the world today and got up and won most of the rounds and looked damn impressive in doing so totally different than getting knocked down by someone who is a light hitter and isn't even considered that good of a Heavyweight i mean getting outboxed by a bum like Zuri Lawerence ?? come off it.
Im shocked your comparing a fight like Marquez vs Pacquiao to Peter vs McCline difference is Pacquiao is one of the hardest hitting fighters today and is P4P number 2 in the world enough said.
Re: Is Samuel Peter Overrated ??
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
A bad night getting decked 3 times by a fighter you was supposed to wipe out ?? i call that a disaster.
What would you call Marquez vs Pacquiao? ;)
I call it a classic ;)
Re: Is Samuel Peter Overrated ??
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I think Peter may have been overratted by some but McCline is a big awkward guy and he caught him with some good shots early.
Peter survived and came back to dominate the second half of the fight. He's still a work in progress and it wasn't his best night but it made for a fun fight.
It's kind of funny that Pavlik got hailed a hero despite being almost KTFO out last week and Peter is overratted for coming back from similar adversity to win this weekend.
I think McCline has been underratted by a lot of people, at 6 ft 5 he's a big guy whose got some decent tools.
Peter will never be a great heavyweight as he's too limited and slow but he's still an entertaining fighter to watch, is doing Africa proud and always gives 100%.
I think he remains one of the biggest threats in the division although I have been saying for months that Tony Thompson is the real threat to wlad in the division.
Thompson has been a nice little roll. But I don't think he has any chance of beating Wlad. I would give him a good chance against Peter. If he can take Peter's shots (which I think he can) than I think he beats him.
I think Thompson beats everyone out there apart from Wlad. It completely baffles me how the American media who are desperate to find an American hope completely overlook him. They hype up guys like Eddie Chambers and Chris Arreola, Chazz Witherpsoon etc and still talk about Rahman, Brewster and Hoylfield when its clear to anyone that realistically none of these guys can unify the divsion or beat Wlad yet Thompson who really does have the size, skill, power and general awkwardness to pose a threat to anybody has to travel to Germany to get fights. ???
Although it's probably better for him to slip under the radar without any weight of expectation on his shoulders.
2008 will be a big year for him though. He'll probably start it by ending Evander Holyfield's career.........
I think Thompson can do some damage given the opportunity and has a solid chance vs.Peter.MCcline revealed alot of weaknesses in Peter,Fluid Mobility+Long boxing with snap and solid chin=problems.And I have never bought MCcline as serious contender.
Thompson really does not get respect buzz over here your right.You see How quick they shut up about twinkle toes Calvin Brock.Love holyfield but he should stick with fighting (if at all???) those short Plugger types.Tony Is Pretty wiley and awkward.....And very confident!
Re: Is Samuel Peter Overrated ??
To answer the thread question, it's difficult to just say yes or no. If people are saying that Peter is the 2nd best heavyweight in the world, then he's not overrated, because he is the 2nd best.
If people think he has the potential to really be a dominant fighter, then I think they are overrating him.
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He couldn't knock out the smaller Toney. And he was able to hit Toney. McCline got hit with some shots, but didn't go no where.
I wouldn't criticize him too much for these. Toney has one of the greatest chins in history, and is also one of the best defensive fighters of this generation. McCline also has a very sturdy chin and is a very large heavyweight.
Re: Is Samuel Peter Overrated ??
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I just see he got dropped 3 times what the hell ?? so what does this mean for Peters future and i bet Oleg is kicking himself.
HAHAHAHHA
maskaev isnt knocking anything out ;)
maskav is a fucking can
mccline has looked real good lately, he was a few rounds away form KTFOing valuev before his knee gave ouyt, but h4e shouldnt be strong enough to hurt a guy big vladdy didnt KTFO
my guess is that maybe peter doesnt take a punch as good as it semes he does
ity could have been the first KD tho, he was knocked off balance from a shoulder block and hit with an uppercut whiole NIETHER of his feet were ion the floor, that could have hurt him enough to getr knocked down the next two times
Re: Is Samuel Peter Overrated ??
to answer the original post.
Yes.
Re: Is Samuel Peter Overrated ??
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What I'm wondering about Peter is if he is even a big a hitter as he is made out to be. His biggest knock out to this day has remain the knock out of Jeremy Williams. A small heavyweight with a poor chin. He couldn't knock out the smaller Toney. And he was able to hit Toney. McCline got hit with some shots, but didn't go no where. He can knock out the D level heavyweights. But some C level heavyweights like Charles Shufford and Robert Hawkins have gone the distance with him. And hit Hawkins flush with power shots. I don't see Peter being the monster hitter he's made out to be.
I totally agree this is what i said earlier i don't think Peter is monster hitter he is made out to be either he hasn't stopped anyone worth mentioning.
Re: Is Samuel Peter Overrated ??
Ive always thought that plodder was overrated. The only reason he stands out and a big deal has made about him is his age, IMO.
Re: Is Samuel Peter Overrated ??
The short answer is yes. Peter is overrated, but he is improving with each battle to earn the distinction. The performance against McCline isn't exactly evidence of that. McCline came out and was anything but stereotypical McCline. He worked hard and caught Peter with good shots. Don't blame Peter because McCline decided to do what he hardly ever does when he fights. Add to that that McCline might be on the juice (just because you pass a UA right before the fight doesn't mean you weren't juicing all through training camp). Those punches would have hurt any HW. But Peter outlasted them and recuperated very well and dominated the rest of the fight with allegedly broken hands.
If nothing else he has a championship chin.
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peter is a sad excuse for a heavy weight champ period
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peter is a sad excuse for a heavy weight champ period
yea we can pretty much say that about 99% of them
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we gotta remeber mccline is a big dude
peter overated yeah
i cant think of a impressive big win for him
Re: Is Samuel Peter Overrated ??
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
A bad night getting decked 3 times by a fighter you was supposed to wipe out ?? i call that a disaster.
What would you call Marquez vs Pacquiao? ;)
id call hat a fucking robbery, pacquiao won that fight
>:mad
Re: Is Samuel Peter Overrated ??
Peter is making the effort other heavies aren't tho. He's attempting to expand his boxing knowledge and become more than a slugger. Sure he's over rated right now...but isnt virtually every heavy on the up at the moment? He is entitled to an off night, since McCline Knocked him and Klitschko couldn i rate it an off night.
I said before this fight that he was one convincing fight away from gaining me as a fan. He still hasn't gained me as afn but he did gainn some respect from me by getting up (three times!) and winning.
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It's not that Wladimir COULDN'T KO Sam Peter it's just he didn't...the way he wobbled him in the 12th makes me think a rematch with Sam Peter would be a short affair.
....also the way Wladimir's jab worked against Brewster means more KO's will come to him as he'll tire out fighters and find holes in their defense and the right cross and left hook will be more effective. There's no one out there Wladimir can't KO and there's no one out there that Wlad can't decision either....it's just a matter of doing it in the ring he has all the skills needed to be a dominant force and he's using them more effectively now that he's been with Manny for a few years.
Sam Peter is a tough fighter I just always thought his punches were wide and slow....he doesn't have a straight right cross, his left hook is looping and not a quick snapping left hook like Tyson's or Frazier's and his defense is horrible. He's a tough guy has loads of heart but I think he has a lot to improve on.
He did something that everyone expects from a champion, that's to get up and be able to win....but he really never should have been down so he was almost the victim of a bad night.
Sam Peter will bounce back and I think he can really improve but he's going to have to work really hard and these changes won't come over night
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It's not that Wladimir COULDN'T KO Sam Peter it's just he didn't...the way he wobbled him in the 12th makes me think a rematch with Sam Peter would be a short affair.
....also the way Wladimir's jab worked against Brewster means more KO's will come to him as he'll tire out fighters and find holes in their defense and the right cross and left hook will be more effective. There's no one out there Wladimir can't KO and there's no one out there that Wlad can't decision either....it's just a matter of doing it in the ring he has all the skills needed to be a dominant force and he's using them more effectively now that he's been with Manny for a few years.
Sam Peter is a tough fighter I just always thought his punches were wide and slow....he doesn't have a straight right cross, his left hook is looping and not a quick snapping left hook like Tyson's or Frazier's and his defense is horrible. He's a tough guy has loads of heart but I think he has a lot to improve on.
He did something that everyone expects from a champion, that's to get up and be able to win....but he really never should have been down so he was almost the victim of a bad night.
Sam Peter will bounce back and I think he can really improve but he's going to have to work really hard and these changes won't come over night
I just watched Wlad vs Peter again and the first two knockdowns didn't really look like knockdowns to me and except for the rounds Peter floored Wlad in i think Wlad won every single round except the 5th and the 10th Peter was dominated and that was sweet left hook that wobbled Peter in the 12th.
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Yeah and Wlad was a little timid IMO because it was his first big fight since his loss to Brewster, but he gained more composure as the fight wore on but in a rematch I doubt Sam Peter makes it the distance, it's just my opinion but seeing how Wlad destroyed Ray Austin and battered Lamon Brewster there is no doubt he's going for the kill in every fight. He's a lot more comfortable in the ring and it's a scary thing
Sam Peter is good enough to be A Title holder but he can't unify (as if that would ever happen in today's heavyweight division).
There really are very few easy fights out there for Sam Peter....I would like to see how he'd do vs Andrew Golota....would he KO Golota early a la Lewis, Tyson, and Brewster or would he allow Golota to get comfortable and box Sam Peter. Golota is no slouch but there is a certain way to beat him it's tested and proven true every time.
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Yeah and Wlad was a little timid IMO because it was his first big fight since his loss to Brewster, but he gained more composure as the fight wore on but in a rematch I doubt Sam Peter makes it the distance, it's just my opinion but seeing how Wlad destroyed Ray Austin and battered Lamon Brewster there is no doubt he's going for the kill in every fight. He's a lot more comfortable in the ring and it's a scary thing
Sam Peter is good enough to be A Title holder but he can't unify (as if that would ever happen in today's heavyweight division).
There really are very few easy fights out there for Sam Peter....I would like to see how he'd do vs Andrew Golota....would he KO Golota early a la Lewis, Tyson, and Brewster or would he allow Golota to get comfortable and box Sam Peter. Golota is no slouch but there is a certain way to beat him it's tested and proven true every time.
Yeah and Wlad was a little timid IMO because it was his first big fight since his loss to Brewster, but he gained more composure as the fight wore on but in a rematch I doubt Sam Peter makes it the distance, it's just my opinion but seeing how Wlad destroyed Ray Austin and battered Lamon Brewster there is no doubt he's going for the kill in every fight. He's a lot more comfortable in the ring and it's a scary thing
I agree he was little timid but he still boxed pretty good using his jab and blocking Peter's left hook very well with his right glove i think he would TKO Peter in a rematch i actually quite like watching Wlad fight i like Vitali better but Wlad has good technical skills he is impressive its shame he has that damn weak chin and suspect stamina otherwise i would say he would be undefeated without question because he is pretty good technical fighter and is by far the best Heavyweight by miles.
There really are very few easy fights out there for Sam Peter....I would like to see how he'd do vs Andrew Golota....would he KO Golota early a la Lewis, Tyson, and Brewster or would he allow Golota to get comfortable and box Sam Peter. Golota is no slouch but there is a certain way to beat him it's tested and proven true every time.
If Peter can't get to Golota early then Peter is going to be in trouble Golota has very good jab and combinations and would beat Peter imo if he can't get Golota early.
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I'm not totally sold on Peter. He's showed a lot of improvement in his last 2 fights, but IMO Toney brought him to school in their first fight.
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I think Peter may have been overratted by some but McCline is a big awkward guy and he caught him with some good shots early.
Peter survived and came back to dominate the second half of the fight. He's still a work in progress and it wasn't his best night but it made for a fun fight.
It's kind of funny that Pavlik got hailed a hero despite being almost KTFO out last week and Peter is overratted for coming back from similar adversity to win this weekend.
I think McCline has been underratted by a lot of people, at 6 ft 5 he's a big guy whose got some decent tools.
Peter will never be a great heavyweight as he's too limited and slow but he's still an entertaining fighter to watch, is doing Africa proud and always gives 100%.
I think he remains one of the biggest threats in the division although I have been saying for months that Tony Thompson is the real threat to wlad in the division.
Thompson has been a nice little roll. But I don't think he has any chance of beating Wlad. I would give him a good chance against Peter. If he can take Peter's shots (which I think he can) than I think he beats him.
I think Thompson beats everyone out there apart from Wlad. It completely baffles me how the American media who are desperate to find an American hope completely overlook him. They hype up guys like Eddie Chambers and Chris Arreola, Chazz Witherpsoon etc and still talk about Rahman, Brewster and Hoylfield when its clear to anyone that realistically none of these guys can unify the divsion or beat Wlad yet Thompson who really does have the size, skill, power and general awkwardness to pose a threat to anybody has to travel to Germany to get fights. ???
Although it's probably better for him to slip under the radar without any weight of expectation on his shoulders.
2008 will be a big year for him though. He'll probably start it by ending Evander Holyfield's career.........
I was just browsing through boxingrec and I was looking at Thompson record...I'm baffled that he is completely unknown and basically untalked about. He must only pay WBO fees, cuz he's the #1 for that belt but not rated for the others. The only thing I can figure is that's he a good, big southpaw and nobody wants to face that combo, and from his record, it looks like he was kinda a club fighter for a long time. He's put together some good wins. I would like to see this guy get good fight. I mean, shouldn't he be getting a shot at Ibragamov soon? That's gotta be his mandatory now.
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Peter showed that he can rise from adversity. a very dangerous fighter Sam Peter. Hats off to McCline for having class after the match.. no excusess. did himself proud
didnt like the ref in that match.. allowed way to much holding by MCcline. never warend for it. . kills the flow of a match. if a fighter is out of condition, thats his problem. .
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I was just browsing through boxingrec and I was looking at Thompson record...I'm baffled that he is completely unknown and basically untalked about. He must only pay WBO fees, cuz he's the #1 for that belt but not rated for the others. The only thing I can figure is that's he a good, big southpaw and nobody wants to face that combo, and from his record, it looks like he was kinda a club fighter for a long time. He's put together some good wins. I would like to see this guy get good fight. I mean, shouldn't he be getting a shot at Ibragamov soon? That's gotta be his mandatory now.
Southpaws are trouble and southpaws that can box effectively and have decent power are BIG TROUBLE.
I would love to see Thompson fight one of the top level guys....IMO he would give Sam Peter fits as would John Ruiz....and hell anyone with a pulse if he fights like he did the other night. Sam Peter needs to learn to punch INITIATE THE CLINCH and then most importantly BREAK THE CLINCH....if he did that he'd be able to KO more guys just by catching them offguard on the break....which is legal as long as the ref isn't the one who says 'BREAK'
The big question now is where does Jameel McCline go from here??? If he's able to keep that kind of fighting up he just may be someone!
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I think Peter may have been overratted by some but McCline is a big awkward guy and he caught him with some good shots early.
Peter survived and came back to dominate the second half of the fight. He's still a work in progress and it wasn't his best night but it made for a fun fight.
It's kind of funny that Pavlik got hailed a hero despite being almost KTFO out last week and Peter is overratted for coming back from similar adversity to win this weekend.
I think McCline has been underratted by a lot of people, at 6 ft 5 he's a big guy whose got some decent tools.
Peter will never be a great heavyweight as he's too limited and slow but he's still an entertaining fighter to watch, is doing Africa proud and always gives 100%.
I think he remains one of the biggest threats in the division although I have been saying for months that Tony Thompson is the real threat to wlad in the division.
Thompson has been a nice little roll. But I don't think he has any chance of beating Wlad. I would give him a good chance against Peter. If he can take Peter's shots (which I think he can) than I think he beats him.
I think Thompson beats everyone out there apart from Wlad. It completely baffles me how the American media who are desperate to find an American hope completely overlook him. They hype up guys like Eddie Chambers and Chris Arreola, Chazz Witherpsoon etc and still talk about Rahman, Brewster and Hoylfield when its clear to anyone that realistically none of these guys can unify the divsion or beat Wlad yet Thompson who really does have the size, skill, power and general awkwardness to pose a threat to anybody has to travel to Germany to get fights. ???
Although it's probably better for him to slip under the radar without any weight of expectation on his shoulders.
2008 will be a big year for him though. He'll probably start it by ending Evander Holyfield's career.........
I was just browsing through boxingrec and I was looking at Thompson record...I'm baffled that he is completely unknown and basically untalked about. He must only pay WBO fees, cuz he's the #1 for that belt but not rated for the others. The only thing I can figure is that's he a good, big southpaw and nobody wants to face that combo, and from his record, it looks like he was kinda a club fighter for a long time. He's put together some good wins. I would like to see this guy get good fight. I mean, shouldn't he be getting a shot at Ibragamov soon? That's gotta be his mandatory now.
Thompson is the most dangerous and feared heavyweight in the division. I think thats why none of the other heavyweights ever mention him. Hes 35 so he probably doesnt have too much longer in the sport and the other heavys probably know that so they are waiting for him to lose to call him out or to get old. He does deserve a good fight but it shows a lot abouth the division where the supposed best fighters are running scared. He is a good solid fighter with very good power and a good chin, but hes not a big name so he is big risk little reward.
