Berto vs Juhda hope this fight happens soon

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Think that Berto needs to learn to step back and not sumther his work that and sometimes he just seems to tense needs to relax some. Yea i while say this he better fix somethings to even have a shot because i am sure he can not outwork or knock out Mr chin of steel Margarito.

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Thing's he needs to work on are.

1 Not squaring himself up on the inside.
2 Go to the body more.
3 Use his boxing skills more and not get dragged into a war.
4 Use his footwork more.

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Its not just that he squares up, but he also loads on punches which leaves openings that wouldn't be there if he threw his punches properly. I would be surprised if he does enough double ended speed bag, because how he looks on the inside and how he throws punches on the inside doesn't give me that impression.

Berto breaks down and punishes Judah... Judah is a small Welter and Berto is a big Welter who exceeds him with speed and power, not to mention Berto stays composed and has that next gear to go with a big heart

A great next fight for berto, i don't have much faith in judah winning but maybe just testing berto again and giving him some new looks and experiece etc...judah like usual will look good for a bit and then find a way to loose,another dec for berto.

I don't think its a bad fight, Berto's not ready for the top level guys but Judah's obviously not a top level guy. Berto's gotta be the favorite but Judah should be able to handle Berto's power and could make it interesting.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I don't think its a bad fight, Berto's not ready for the top level guys but Judah's obviously not a top level guy. Berto's gotta be the favorite but Judah should be able to handle Berto's power and could make it interesting.

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i agree, that Berto isn't ready for the top tier of welters yet, but i'd like to see him fight someone better than Judah..

Maybe someone like a Cintron.. someone who poses a threat that Berto will have to find a way to win the fight instead of being favored heavily..

I'd say one of those big stepping stones fight where he is in a battle and shows that he's the real deal, then i'd LOVE to see him fight Cotto. If he fails to impress in the stepping stone fight then I'd have a hard time seeing him beat Cotto/Margarito/Clottey etc..

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Think that Berto needs to learn to step back and not sumther his work that and sometimes he just seems to tense needs to relax some. Yea i while say this he better fix somethings to even have a shot because i am sure he can not outwork or knock out Mr chin of steel Margarito.

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Thing's he needs to work on are.

1 Not squaring himself up on the inside.
2 Go to the body more.
3 Use his boxing skills more and not get dragged into a war.
4 Use his footwork more.

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First at Mr140.. i'd agree that he has NO chance to beat Margarito.. Berto's defense isn't there yet.. his footwork hasn't been mastered yet, and he'd be getting hit ALL too often to even think about being offensive against Margarito..

at ICB: good post, i'd agree on all of those. The thing is, all 4 of those things will be HUGE in him succeeding in the future.. If someone were to fight him on the inside with more power than Collazo, then he would've been in a LOT of trouble in that fight, and almost definitely been hurt more and probably lost.

I would like to see Berto-Cintron, I think that's a dangerous fight though, we would find out about Berto's chin. Granted I don't think Cintron hits as hard as some have given him credit for but he can crack and he would have time to land on Berto since Berto doesn't have the power to get Cintron out of there early. Berto probably does have more heart although Cintron's probably gets bagged on too much.

Berto needs to figure out what he is as a fighter. He's not a puncher, and he doesn't have an inside game so even though Saturday was entertaining and he showed a lot of heart that's the not the way for him to go in the future I don't think, he needs to stay on the inside, box and move.

edit, stay on the outside, box and move.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I would like to see Berto-Cintron, I think that's a dangerous fight though, we would find out about Berto's chin. Granted I don't think Cintron hits as hard as some have given him credit for but he can crack and he would have time to land on Berto since Berto doesn't have the power to get Cintron out of there early. Berto probably does have more heart although Cintron's probably gets bagged on too much.

Berto needs to figure out what he is as a fighter. He's not a puncher, and he doesn't have an inside game so even though Saturday was entertaining and he showed a lot of heart that's the not the way for him to go in the future I don't think, he needs to stay on the inside, box and move.

edit, stay on the outside, box and move.

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agreed, he really has not identified himself as to the type of fighter he is..

he's fast as all hell, and has pretty decent power for not being a huge welter. He has some solid combinations, especially with that big uppercut.. His defense is lacking, but with footwork he could have some serious defensive skills.. i'd reccomend getting Floyd Sr. to train him on this.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Berto breaks down and punishes Judah... Judah is a small Welter and Berto is a big Welter who exceeds him with speed and power, not to mention Berto stays composed and has that next gear to go with a big heart

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Agreed with almost all them points except for Andre Berto being a big Welterweight, i disagree i know he has fought at Jr Middleweight. But to me he looks like a pretty small Welterweight IMO.

I dont want to see it. When was the last time Zab Judah beat an elite fighter ? He doesn't deserve another chance. He should focus on the jr welterweight division.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Berto breaks down and punishes Judah... Judah is a small Welter and Berto is a big Welter who exceeds him with speed and power, not to mention Berto stays composed and has that next gear to go with a big heart

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Agreed with almost all them points except for Andre Berto being a big Welterweight, i disagree i know he has fought at Jr Middleweight. But to me he looks like a pretty small Welterweight IMO.

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Berto weighed in at 160 come the fight, and for the Forbes fight he was about 155 and he usually falls in between those 2 numbers..

He is big weight wise for a Welterweight, just a solid dude

This is old thread just curious on what people think after a few years.