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Bhop, Winky, heck Oscar, MAB, Paq have all taken fights where they were not expected to win and earned the right to be marquee fighters. JMM is a good fighter but not an elite, he will when he fights and beats Paq. He will be in the money! Do not blame Paq only if the fight does not happen, the pressure should be on JMM to make the fight. He needs it more.
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Originally Posted by Master
Bhop, Winky, heck Oscar, MAB, Paq have all taken fights where they were not expected to win and earned the right to be marquee fighters. JMM is a good fighter but not an elite, he will when he fights and beats Paq. He will be in the money! Do not blame Paq only if the fight does not happen, the pressure should be on JMM to make the fight. He needs it more.
He's not elite? In what sense? Becuase I'm pretty sure JMM is on like a high % of P4P lists.
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
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Yeah hahaha.. this is a hot topic... it made me register just to post here... hehe
Anyway, it is NOT a question of being champion, unfortunately. Being champion doesn't necessarily bring in the paying public to watch fights. A non-title fight between Pac and MAB is a case in point.
Boxing is a business. If I were JMM, I would accept even a 70-30 share in favor of Pac. That would be more than any of my previous prize purses anyway. Then he can get an opportunity to beat Pac, IF HE REALLY WANTS it. If he wins, then a rematch will get him more money. The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac. Because of JMM loses, there will be no rematch. He loses the belts. And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac.
Erm,forgive me if I'm wrong,but wasn't the first fight a draw? And didn't most think JMM won?
And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
Jmm's fights with MAB,Terdsak,Jaca were more exciting than Pac's recent fights. They were exciting fullstop.I'm presuming you have not seen these fights?
Hi El Gamo,
How many PAYING public watched JMMs fights against Terdsak, and Jaca? BUTTS ON SEATS! SHOW ME THE MONEY!!! Now, compare that with the latest Pac versus MAB fight.
If you think JMM won the first fight with Pac, fine. I don't want to argue with that. But that isn't the point of my responses. If he is not afraid, TAKE THE FIGHT, regardless of the purse.
Hello. :)
I'll say it again: Manny has just as much if not more to prove by fighting JMM. Why doesn't MANNY take the FIGHT regardless of the PURSE? Is Manny AFRAID?
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exactly :coolclick:
Hi Julius,
Thanks for the CC. I don't know how to CC back though. Newbie here. How do you guys do it?
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
Bhop, Winky, heck Oscar, MAB, Paq have all taken fights where they were not expected to win and earned the right to be marquee fighters. JMM is a good fighter but not an elite, he will when he fights and beats Paq. He will be in the money! Do not blame Paq only if the fight does not happen, the pressure should be on JMM to make the fight. He needs it more.
He's not elite? In what sense? Becuase I'm pretty sure JMM is on like a high % of P4P lists.
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
*** EDIT - FWOCK ME THIS THREAD IS BUSY, IVE TRYIED TO POST THIS MESSAGE 3 TIMES AND 7 MESSAGES HAVE BEEN PSOTED SINCE!!!!! ****
Yeah hahaha.. this is a hot topic... it made me register just to post here... hehe
Anyway, it is NOT a question of being champion, unfortunately. Being champion doesn't necessarily bring in the paying public to watch fights. A non-title fight between Pac and MAB is a case in point.
Boxing is a business. If I were JMM, I would accept even a 70-30 share in favor of Pac. That would be more than any of my previous prize purses anyway. Then he can get an opportunity to beat Pac, IF HE REALLY WANTS it. If he wins, then a rematch will get him more money. The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac. Because of JMM loses, there will be no rematch. He loses the belts. And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac.
Erm,forgive me if I'm wrong,but wasn't the first fight a draw? And didn't most think JMM won?
And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
Jmm's fights with MAB,Terdsak,Jaca were more exciting than Pac's recent fights. They were exciting fullstop.I'm presuming you have not seen these fights?
Hi El Gamo,
How many PAYING public watched JMMs fights against Terdsak, and Jaca? BUTTS ON SEATS! SHOW ME THE MONEY!!! Now, compare that with the latest Pac versus MAB fight.
If you think JMM won the first fight with Pac, fine. I don't want to argue with that. But that isn't the point of my responses. If he is not afraid, TAKE THE FIGHT, regardless of the purse.
Hello. :)
I'll say it again: Manny has just as much if not more to prove by fighting JMM. Why doesn't MANNY take the FIGHT regardless of the PURSE? Is Manny AFRAID?
El Gamo, we are going around in circles. This is what you are saying:
1) JMM is the belt-holder. He beat Pac the first time they met (according to you). Manny must fight Marquez to prove he is better.
All your arguments doesn't translate to greater prize purses if you have been reading my responses. Other champions in the other boxing divisions from flyweight to heavyweight can also claim this but they DON'T GET MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR purses. Why is JMM any different?
Manny isn't afraid. His managers are SMART. They know who brings in the MONEY. They know who should get a bigger prize share. JMM is trying to outwit Manny's managers.
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Marquez definitely isn't just a good fighter. He's currently #3, right after Pacquiao, in RING Magazine's pound-for-pound list. #2 vs #3 pound-for-pound, c'mon, can we ask for anything better?!
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In regards to both camps, they all should be worried about the fight. In my opinion it's a dangerous fight for both fighters, but they're boxers, this is what they live for and what the fans want?
For Marquez's camp they should be worried that Pacquiao has developed into a better fighter rather than the fighter who only threw a straight left hand the ENTIRE fight the first time around!
For Pacquiao's camp, Marquez fought the perfect fight against him. The only setback was the three knockdowns in the first round. If that didn't happen then Marquez would've came out the winner, but it happened and that's the bottom line.
Erik Morales fought a similar fight against Pacquiao as Marquez did but Morales stayed on his feet and EXECUTED to perfection, that was the difference!
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
Bhop, Winky, heck Oscar, MAB, Paq have all taken fights where they were not expected to win and earned the right to be marquee fighters. JMM is a good fighter but not an elite, he will when he fights and beats Paq. He will be in the money! Do not blame Paq only if the fight does not happen, the pressure should be on JMM to make the fight. He needs it more.
He's not elite? In what sense? Becuase I'm pretty sure JMM is on like a high % of P4P lists.
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
*** EDIT - FWOCK ME THIS THREAD IS BUSY, IVE TRYIED TO POST THIS MESSAGE 3 TIMES AND 7 MESSAGES HAVE BEEN PSOTED SINCE!!!!! ****
Yeah hahaha.. this is a hot topic... it made me register just to post here... hehe
Anyway, it is NOT a question of being champion, unfortunately. Being champion doesn't necessarily bring in the paying public to watch fights. A non-title fight between Pac and MAB is a case in point.
Boxing is a business. If I were JMM, I would accept even a 70-30 share in favor of Pac. That would be more than any of my previous prize purses anyway. Then he can get an opportunity to beat Pac, IF HE REALLY WANTS it. If he wins, then a rematch will get him more money. The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac. Because of JMM loses, there will be no rematch. He loses the belts. And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac.
Erm,forgive me if I'm wrong,but wasn't the first fight a draw? And didn't most think JMM won?
And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
Jmm's fights with MAB,Terdsak,Jaca were more exciting than Pac's recent fights. They were exciting fullstop.I'm presuming you have not seen these fights?
Hi El Gamo,
How many PAYING public watched JMMs fights against Terdsak, and Jaca? BUTTS ON SEATS! SHOW ME THE MONEY!!! Now, compare that with the latest Pac versus MAB fight.
If you think JMM won the first fight with Pac, fine. I don't want to argue with that. But that isn't the point of my responses. If he is not afraid, TAKE THE FIGHT, regardless of the purse.
Hello. :)
I'll say it again: Manny has just as much if not more to prove by fighting JMM. Why doesn't MANNY take the FIGHT regardless of the PURSE? Is Manny AFRAID?
El Gamo, we are going around in circles. This is what you are saying:
1) JMM is the belt-holder. He beat Pac the first time they met (according to you). Manny must fight Marquez to prove he is better.
All your arguments doesn't translate to greater prize purses if you have been reading my responses. Other champions in the other boxing divisions from flyweight to heavyweight can also claim this but they DON'T GET MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR purses. Why is JMM any different?
Manny isn't afraid. His managers are SMART. They know who brings in the MONEY. They know who should get a bigger prize share. JMM is trying to outwit Manny's managers.
You keep changing your points. First you say JMM has something to prove(WHEN THE FIGHT WAS A DRAW SO MANNY HAS JUST AS MUCH TO PROVE) and your making too many points which are baseless.
Which champions are you referring to? Who is JMM's manager that he is trying to outwit Pac's manager?
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
Marquez definitely isn't just a good fighter. He's currently #3, right after Pacquiao, in RING Magazine's pound-for-pound list. #2 vs #3 pound-for-pound, c'mon, can we ask for anything better?!
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Which goes back to my original statement that Paq is the high profile fighter and should get the greater share as he is the known fighter.
caleoh12 CC
Leading back to my point that a guy he beat,a guy JMM beat,a guy with no title,MAB,got the same as Manny in their fight. So why not JMM?
It is not a question of who beats who. It is about who BRINGS BUTTS on the SEATS. Why did ODLH get a higher payday than Mayweather?
Cause Oscar basically rules all in the boxing world! lol.
Hahaha... so it isn't about belt-titles, pound-for-pound lists, after all! That is precisely my point.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
Bhop, Winky, heck Oscar, MAB, Paq have all taken fights where they were not expected to win and earned the right to be marquee fighters. JMM is a good fighter but not an elite, he will when he fights and beats Paq. He will be in the money! Do not blame Paq only if the fight does not happen, the pressure should be on JMM to make the fight. He needs it more.
He's not elite? In what sense? Becuase I'm pretty sure JMM is on like a high % of P4P lists.
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
*** EDIT - FWOCK ME THIS THREAD IS BUSY, IVE TRYIED TO POST THIS MESSAGE 3 TIMES AND 7 MESSAGES HAVE BEEN PSOTED SINCE!!!!! ****
Yeah hahaha.. this is a hot topic... it made me register just to post here... hehe
Anyway, it is NOT a question of being champion, unfortunately. Being champion doesn't necessarily bring in the paying public to watch fights. A non-title fight between Pac and MAB is a case in point.
Boxing is a business. If I were JMM, I would accept even a 70-30 share in favor of Pac. That would be more than any of my previous prize purses anyway. Then he can get an opportunity to beat Pac, IF HE REALLY WANTS it. If he wins, then a rematch will get him more money. The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac. Because of JMM loses, there will be no rematch. He loses the belts. And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac.
Erm,forgive me if I'm wrong,but wasn't the first fight a draw? And didn't most think JMM won?
And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
Jmm's fights with MAB,Terdsak,Jaca were more exciting than Pac's recent fights. They were exciting fullstop.I'm presuming you have not seen these fights?
Hi El Gamo,
How many PAYING public watched JMMs fights against Terdsak, and Jaca? BUTTS ON SEATS! SHOW ME THE MONEY!!! Now, compare that with the latest Pac versus MAB fight.
If you think JMM won the first fight with Pac, fine. I don't want to argue with that. But that isn't the point of my responses. If he is not afraid, TAKE THE FIGHT, regardless of the purse.
Hello. :)
I'll say it again: Manny has just as much if not more to prove by fighting JMM. Why doesn't MANNY take the FIGHT regardless of the PURSE? Is Manny AFRAID?
El Gamo, we are going around in circles. This is what you are saying:
1) JMM is the belt-holder. He beat Pac the first time they met (according to you). Manny must fight Marquez to prove he is better.
All your arguments doesn't translate to greater prize purses if you have been reading my responses. Other champions in the other boxing divisions from flyweight to heavyweight can also claim this but they DON'T GET MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR purses. Why is JMM any different?
Manny isn't afraid. His managers are SMART. They know who brings in the MONEY. They know who should get a bigger prize share. JMM is trying to outwit Manny's managers.
You keep changing your points. First you say JMM has something to prove(WHEN THE FIGHT WAS A DRAW SO MANNY HAS JUST AS MUCH TO PROVE) and your making too many points which are baseless.
Which champions are you referring to? Who is JMM's manager that he is trying to outwit Pac's manager?
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
Marquez definitely isn't just a good fighter. He's currently #3, right after Pacquiao, in RING Magazine's pound-for-pound list. #2 vs #3 pound-for-pound, c'mon, can we ask for anything better?!
Exactly.
My point is simple. It is not about WHO HAS THE BELTS, WHO BEATS WHO, WHO IS POUND-FOR-POUND. It is about who brings BUTTS ON SEATS.
Pac can ignore JMM. He can still have mega-buck fights with other fighters. In contrast, nobody is lining up to fight JMM for big moolah... Doesn't that SPEAK FOR ITSELF on who is the bigger draw?? You have conveniently ignored this.
I repeated this several times already in my previous posts.
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Master
Bhop, Winky, heck Oscar, MAB, Paq have all taken fights where they were not expected to win and earned the right to be marquee fighters. JMM is a good fighter but not an elite, he will when he fights and beats Paq. He will be in the money! Do not blame Paq only if the fight does not happen, the pressure should be on JMM to make the fight. He needs it more.
He's not elite? In what sense? Becuase I'm pretty sure JMM is on like a high % of P4P lists.
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
*** EDIT - FWOCK ME THIS THREAD IS BUSY, IVE TRYIED TO POST THIS MESSAGE 3 TIMES AND 7 MESSAGES HAVE BEEN PSOTED SINCE!!!!! ****
Yeah hahaha.. this is a hot topic... it made me register just to post here... hehe
Anyway, it is NOT a question of being champion, unfortunately. Being champion doesn't necessarily bring in the paying public to watch fights. A non-title fight between Pac and MAB is a case in point.
Boxing is a business. If I were JMM, I would accept even a 70-30 share in favor of Pac. That would be more than any of my previous prize purses anyway. Then he can get an opportunity to beat Pac, IF HE REALLY WANTS it. If he wins, then a rematch will get him more money. The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac. Because of JMM loses, there will be no rematch. He loses the belts. And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac.
Erm,forgive me if I'm wrong,but wasn't the first fight a draw? And didn't most think JMM won?
And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
Jmm's fights with MAB,Terdsak,Jaca were more exciting than Pac's recent fights. They were exciting fullstop.I'm presuming you have not seen these fights?
Hi El Gamo,
How many PAYING public watched JMMs fights against Terdsak, and Jaca? BUTTS ON SEATS! SHOW ME THE MONEY!!! Now, compare that with the latest Pac versus MAB fight.
If you think JMM won the first fight with Pac, fine. I don't want to argue with that. But that isn't the point of my responses. If he is not afraid, TAKE THE FIGHT, regardless of the purse.
Hello. :)
I'll say it again: Manny has just as much if not more to prove by fighting JMM. Why doesn't MANNY take the FIGHT regardless of the PURSE? Is Manny AFRAID?
El Gamo, we are going around in circles. This is what you are saying:
1) JMM is the belt-holder. He beat Pac the first time they met (according to you). Manny must fight Marquez to prove he is better.
All your arguments doesn't translate to greater prize purses if you have been reading my responses. Other champions in the other boxing divisions from flyweight to heavyweight can also claim this but they DON'T GET MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR purses. Why is JMM any different?
Manny isn't afraid. His managers are SMART. They know who brings in the MONEY. They know who should get a bigger prize share. JMM is trying to outwit Manny's managers.
You keep changing your points. First you say JMM has something to prove(WHEN THE FIGHT WAS A DRAW SO MANNY HAS JUST AS MUCH TO PROVE) and your making too many points which are baseless.
Which champions are you referring to? Who is JMM's manager that he is trying to outwit Pac's manager?
Quote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12
Marquez definitely isn't just a good fighter. He's currently #3, right after Pacquiao, in RING Magazine's pound-for-pound list. #2 vs #3 pound-for-pound, c'mon, can we ask for anything better?!
Exactly.
My point is simple. It is not about WHO HAS THE BELTS, WHO BEATS WHO, WHO IS POUND-FOR-POUND. It is about who brings BUTTS ON SEATS.
Pac can ignore JMM. He can still have mega-buck fights with other fighters. In contrast, nobody is lining up to fight JMM for big moolah... Doesn't that SPEAK FOR ITSELF on who is the bigger draw?? You have conveniently ignored this.
I repeated this several times already in my previous posts.
SUre,Manny can fight other fighters than JMM. Valero. David Diaz.They do wonders for Manny's legacy ::** ::** Those guys are willing to take less. If you want to see those fights more, then that tells me alot about your boxing fan credentials. All boxing fans want to see the best fights. We want to see who is the best. We fans want this fight,JMM wants this fight.
Honestly,on a side note,I never want to see any Manny fans dissing Mayweather being a money grabber,fighting for the money etc ever again. All your points are coming down to is JMM does not deserve the $$4 so he should not get the fight as opposed to they should make the split,both are getting big $$$ and we get to see who is the best.
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SUre,Manny can fight other fighters than JMM. Valero. David Diaz.They do wonders for Manny's legacy ::** ::** Those guys are willing to take less. If you want to see those fights more, then that tells me alot about your boxing fan credentials. All boxing fans want to see the best fights. We want to see who is the best. We fans want this fight,JMM wants this fight.
Honestly,on a side note,I never want to see any Manny fans dissing Mayweather being a money grabber,fighting for the money etc ever again. All your points are coming down to is JMM does not deserve the $$4 so he should not get the fight as opposed to they should make the split,both are getting big $$$ and we get to see who is the best.
Hello. Finally we are coming to some kind of understanding.
However, it is naive to think that fighters (and their managers, and coaches who earn percentages from prize purses) don't think about $$$. That is why ODLH demands a bigger purse than Mayweather. That is why Mayweather demands a bigger purse than Hatton. That is why Morales demanded a bigger purse than Pac. And that is why Pac demands a bigger purse than JMM.. and the list goes on....
Don't get me wrong. I want to see JMM fight Pac. But from a FINANCIAL point of view, JMM needs the fight more because Pac has other options. JMM doesn't. That is why I kept saying that JMM should take the purse that is offered to him, and then he can WHOOP Pacman's ass if he likes. Then he can have his legacy with $$$ to boot.
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On second thought, I think the JMM versus PACMAN fight would be made regardless, so fight fans need not worry. Look at this scenario:
Pacman demands 70-30 split. Pac gets 5 Million. JMM gets 2 Million. JMM and Nacho Beristain protests and makes a lot of noise but realizes in the end that 2M $ is still a lot of money. And they probably learned their lesson the first time they didn't take the Pacman rematch for $750,000 and settled for a $50,000 fight instead in Indonesia.
JMM takes the fight.
Fans are happy. Justice is served.
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Understandable i think. If he's gonna fight JMM he'll want to make a lot of money for the difficult task, also he'll make negotiations awkward so JMM only accepts the fight if he really really wants it, as in enough to settle for less than Pac.
true, anyways a lot of fighters lined up to fight pac and would still make money.
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Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
good point. :coolclick:
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Personally...I think that they both should get the even money split.
I also think that there's a bit of fear coming from both camps & nothing anyone says will change my mind until the dotted lines are signed.
Money should not get in the way here. This fight makes a boat-load of sense & it sure as S*** could be marketed to make an a**-load of money.
Hello. I am new to this forum. I registered after reading this thread.
Anyway, I disagree that Marquez should get even money with Pac. Purse split should be at least 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of Pac. Why? Because Pac is the bigger draw. Do you see people lining up and challenging Marquez? NO. With Pac, people who have called-out Pac included Casamayor, JMM, Sotto, Joan Guzman, Valero, Katisidis, etc. Clearly then, Pacquiao is the bigger draw, and thus, deserves more money. It is the same reason why De la Hoya got a bigger purse than Mayweather although Mayweather was the pound-for-pound king. I fail to see why you guys missed this point!
If Pac doesn't fight JMM, he can still get multi-million dollar purses fighting any of the challengers mentioned above. Can Marquez do the same? NO. If JMM can accept $50,000 purse fighting a championship fight (because NO PROMOTER wanted to bid on the fight: read JMM is not saleable), why is he demanding EVEN money with Pacquiao?
It doesn't make sense and Pac knows it. When Pac fought Morales the first and second time, he got LESS money than Morales. Pac took the fight with no complaints. JMM should do the same.
This is an outdated statement. JMM is no longer that guy he was a few years back. He's the legitimate champ and PAC knows that ;)
*** EDIT - FWOCK ME THIS THREAD IS BUSY, IVE TRYIED TO POST THIS MESSAGE 3 TIMES AND 7 MESSAGES HAVE BEEN PSOTED SINCE!!!!! ****
Yeah hahaha.. this is a hot topic... it made me register just to post here... hehe
Anyway, it is NOT a question of being champion, unfortunately. Being champion doesn't necessarily bring in the paying public to watch fights. A non-title fight between Pac and MAB is a case in point.
Boxing is a business. If I were JMM, I would accept even a 70-30 share in favor of Pac. That would be more than any of my previous prize purses anyway. Then he can get an opportunity to beat Pac, IF HE REALLY WANTS it. If he wins, then a rematch will get him more money. The only reason I think JMM wants a bigger prize is because he is afraid this might mean the end of his career if he loses to Pac. Because of JMM loses, there will be no rematch. He loses the belts. And nobody would watch his boring fights after that.
keypool, i like you. you make a lot of sense. :)
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Damn :-\ £££ (or $$$$, what ever way you look at it) will prove to be a Geniuine Road Block.
Shame really. Fukin alphabet count for nothing sheit belts!
The thing that gets me is that Marquez would probably be the betting favorite too :-\
I dunno. I feel that Marques has every right to try to get more money from this, even if it does prove to a complete waste of time.
If the fight falls through its not like Marquez will be perceived as the guy who priced himslef out of a fight through lack of interest.
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Damn :-\ £££ (or $$$$, what ever way you look at it) will prove to be a Geniuine Road Block.
Shame really. Fukin alphabet count for nothing sheit belts!
The thing that gets me is that Marquez would probably be the betting favorite too :-\
I dunno. I feel that Marques has every right to try to get more money from this, even if it does prove to a complete waste of time.
If the fight falls through its not like Marquez will be perceived as the guy who priced himslef out of a fight through lack of interest.
Exactly ;)
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Damn :-\ £££ (or $$$$, what ever way you look at it) will prove to be a Geniuine Road Block.
Shame really. Fukin alphabet count for nothing sheit belts!
The thing that gets me is that Marquez would probably be the betting favorite too :-\
I dunno. I feel that Marques has every right to try to get more money from this, even if it does prove to a complete waste of time.
If the fight falls through its not like Marquez will be perceived as the guy who priced himslef out of a fight through lack of interest.
Exactly ;)
Damn right exactly. It fukin bullsheit man! Logic tells you PAC should earn more money but how messed up is that? Marquez is the better fighter. Would be the betting favorite and is the champion.
Where is there another scenario in boxing like this where the challenger gets more money ???
Fukin Bullshiet! >:mad
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Marquez has the stupidest handlers and management in boxing. Whether he deserves as much money, is as good a boxer, etc...is all besides the point. He is simply not in the position to be making $$$ demands. A big reason for this is because he has squandered so many chances in the past to make things happen. Sure, many have ducked him...but their are plenty of examples where he could have made big fights. He is nearing the end of his career and if he wants to make in an impact he needs to stop being so proud and stingy. He needs to fight Pac...doesn't matter for how much. That's a fight people want to see. If he fights and beats Manny, it will open the doors for other big fights and more $$$. I think Marquez is a superb fighter...but him and his team are inept at business. Don't want to sound harsh on him...i know he feels like he is a great fighter and deserves good money...but unfortunately that's not how the world of boxing works.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Damn :-\ £££ (or $$$$, what ever way you look at it) will prove to be a Geniuine Road Block.
Shame really. Fukin alphabet count for nothing sheit belts!
The thing that gets me is that Marquez would probably be the betting favorite too :-\
I dunno. I feel that Marques has every right to try to get more money from this, even if it does prove to a complete waste of time.
If the fight falls through its not like Marquez will be perceived as the guy who priced himslef out of a fight through lack of interest.
Exactly ;)
Damn right exactly. It fukin bullsheit man! Logic tells you PAC should earn more money but how messed up is that? Marquez is the better fighter. Would be the betting favorite and is the champion.
Where is there another scenario in boxing like this where the challenger gets more money ???
Fukin Bullshiet! >:mad
I believe the Mike Tyson fights and ODLH fights are also other examples.
BUT HOLD YOUR HORSES. THE FIGHT WILL PUSH THROUGH. In case you missed my earlier post, here is the scenario I envisioned:
Pacman demands 70-30 split. Pac gets 5 Million. JMM gets 2 Million. JMM and Nacho Beristain protests and makes a lot of noise but realizes in the end that 2M $ is still a lot of money. And they probably learned their lesson the first time they didn't take the Pacman rematch for $750,000 and settled for a $50,000 fight instead in Indonesia.
JMM takes the fight.
Fans are happy. El Gamo is happy. Justice is served.
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El Gamo, we are going around in circles. This is what you are saying:
1) JMM is the belt-holder. He beat Pac the first time they met (according to you). Manny must fight Marquez to prove he is better.
All your arguments doesn't translate to greater prize purses if you have been reading my responses. Other champions in the other boxing divisions from flyweight to heavyweight can also claim this but they DON'T GET MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR purses. Why is JMM any different?
Manny isn't afraid. His managers are SMART. They know who brings in the MONEY. They know who should get a bigger prize share. JMM is trying to outwit Manny's managers.
Hey keypool. Welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:
Not that Gamo can't talk for himself...but I want to toss this out there...anyone that does'nt feel that JMM does'nt warrant the same amount of money & same amount of respect as Pac does now...well...I'd have to say that you're either a huge Pac fan or you just don't want to keep rank with the division.
Pacquiao is known as the danger man & the star of the division & Marquez is noted as the best boxer & kept secret of the division.
Yes JMM is the belt-holder...repeatedly. He beat Pac the first time according to many. Even Pac later stated that Marquez was his tuffest test to date. IWO, Manny has to fight Marquez & he has to win to prove he is the better of the two without a doubt, but many regard Marquez as the only fighter to layout an actual blueprint to defeating Pac & others say that Morales followed it.
That I don't buy. Morales used force of will to bat Pac...personally...that aint the way to beat Pac 9 out of 10 times, IWHO.
Marquez could win against Pacquiao if he fought smart & he'd have to fight the way that he did in the first match...on the back foot & in survival mode. Fighting as he has of late...to impress the fans...that aint gonna work. Box him & he can win. Trading get's you back on your ass.
Marquez deserves a large multi-million dollar purse now because of what he's done, who he is, who manages him, & what he's capable of. If you don't think that a Marquez fight would draw more ass filled seats than a Diaz fight or Valero...you (NOT JUST YOU) are sadly mistaken. Believe it or not...most Pac fans on here want to see the fight as Marquez fans do.
Manny isn't afraid? Every fighter's afraid...he'd be a fool not to be afraid. Both managers should bring the dollars but if it's champ for champ & name for name...just as many know Marquez for his valiant get up of the mat display against Pac as they do Barrera or Morales. Many feel that Marquez showed better against Barrera than Pac did...I'd be one of them.
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I don't blame JMM for wanting more than Pacman, especially since MAB got the same amount as Pacman in their fight, but JMM need to wake up and smell the coffee beans and realize Pacman is the big draw not him.
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A point that i would like to make here is that when i was watching the barrera JMM fight I thought that the Jay Nady refereeing debacle saved JMM and also that the scorecards more than flattered JMM. Whereas when Pacman fought Barrera the 2nd time it certainly was not a repeat of the first fight but i thought that Pacman looked better than JMM did against Barrera earlier in the year.
Anyway to the point, in my eyes JMM still has to prove that he is up there with the likes of Pacman, Barrera and Morales in stature and beat Pacquiao. Therefore I think that he should take the lesser money option and prove that hes got what it takes. If he has and he beats Pacquiao then the big money deals will come.
Also the fact that he has a belt means nothing to me these days as belts are all just boxing politics bullshit. The only belt that i take any notice of are the Ring belts and they currently have the super feather division vacant!
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El Gamo, we are going around in circles. This is what you are saying:
1) JMM is the belt-holder. He beat Pac the first time they met (according to you). Manny must fight Marquez to prove he is better.
All your arguments doesn't translate to greater prize purses if you have been reading my responses. Other champions in the other boxing divisions from flyweight to heavyweight can also claim this but they DON'T GET MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR purses. Why is JMM any different?
Manny isn't afraid. His managers are SMART. They know who brings in the MONEY. They know who should get a bigger prize share. JMM is trying to outwit Manny's managers.
Hey keypool. Welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:
Not that Gamo can't talk for himself...but I want to toss this out there...anyone that does'nt feel that JMM does'nt warrant the same amount of money & same amount of respect as Pac does now...well...I'd have to say that you're either a huge Pac fan or you just don't want to keep rank with the division.
Pacquiao is known as the danger man & the star of the division & Marquez is noted as the best boxer & kept secret of the division.
Yes JMM is the belt-holder...repeatedly. He beat Pac the first time according to many. Even Pac later stated that Marquez was his tuffest test to date. IWO, Manny has to fight Marquez & he has to win to prove he is the better of the two without a doubt, but many regard Marquez as the only fighter to layout an actual blueprint to defeating Pac & others say that Morales followed it.
That I don't buy. Morales used force of will to bat Pac...personally...that aint the way to beat Pac 9 out of 10 times, IWHO.
Marquez could win against Pacquiao if he fought smart & he'd have to fight the way that he did in the first match...on the back foot & in survival mode. Fighting as he has of late...to impress the fans...that aint gonna work. Box him & he can win. Trading get's you back on your a**.
Marquez deserves a large multi-million dollar purse now because of what he's done, who he is, who manages him, & what he's capable of. If you don't think that a Marquez fight would draw more a** filled seats than a Diaz fight or Valero...you (NOT JUST YOU) are sadly mistaken. Believe it or not...most Pac fans on here want to see the fight as Marquez fans do.
Manny isn't afraid? Every fighter's afraid...he'd be a fool not to be afraid. Both managers should bring the dollars but if it's champ for champ & name for name...just as many know Marquez for his valiant get up of the mat display against Pac as they do Barrera or Morales. Many feel that Marquez showed better against Barrera than Pac did...I'd be one of them.
Hi Wacko! Thanks for the welcome! Can you show me how to give a cool click? I went to the HELP menu and it isn't explained there.
Anyway, I agree with many in your post regarding JMM being a tough hombre. But "what he has done, who he is, who manages him, and what he's capable of" isn't the basis for $$$ in the real world. You may agree or disagree, but that is how it is. It is about who is the bigger draw.
For example, when JMM fought MAB, fight purse for each fighter was around the vicinity of $1 Million. And that was a TITLE FIGHT!!!
When Pac fought MAB in a NON-TITLE FIGHT, PAC and MAB's purse was at least $2 Million. Some reports have it that Pac received as much as $6M including PPVs.
So what does this prove? It proves that Pac is a bigger draw than JMM since the promoters were willing to give him more money.
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You need to get 100 posts first then u can dish out the Cool clicks
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If you don't think that a Marquez fight would draw more a** filled seats than a Diaz fight or Valero...you (NOT JUST YOU) are sadly mistaken. Believe it or not...most Pac fans on here want to see the fight as Marquez fans do.
Thanks for the clarification hitman.
Anyway, regarding wacko's point above:
Granted it was true, then that is why JMM will get a bigger purse than his previous fight with MAB. Maybe he will get $1.5 M this time instead of only $1M. But no way it should be equal to Pac.
It is the LAW OF ECONOMICS 101 -- SUPPLY AND DEMAND. More demand = higher price. Pac is the more in-demand fighter. I just don't understand why people think that this law should apply to all other boxers EXCEPT when it comes to Pacman.
I just don't like the idea of people taking advantage of Pac. We all know about the vultures that hang around Pac's entourage that milk him of his money. And now we have a fighter who wants to get money he doesn't deserve (again, based on economics).
All that Pac has to do is stick to his guns, and whatever people say, the fight will push through. Frankly, because JMM couldn't afford NOT to take the fight.
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its not about who holds the belt,its about who draws the crowd....this is a no brainer..jmm,as good as he is..doesnt draw the crowd.(Crowd=money )$$$$$...Barrera may not be as good as marquez when he fought manny,but he has the name..the impact to draw the crowd ( $$$ ).Therefore,its not about jmm deserving more because he performed better than pac when he beat barrera...its all about who can make the most money...and at this stage.. the pacman sits on that golden throne.I hope nacho doesnt make the same mistake again..otherwise,it will be a chrisjohn gift for jmm again.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
If you don't think that a Marquez fight would draw more a** filled seats than a Diaz fight or Valero...you (NOT JUST YOU) are sadly mistaken. Believe it or not...most Pac fans on here want to see the fight as Marquez fans do.
Thanks for the clarification hitman.
Anyway, regarding wacko's point above:
Granted it was true, then that is why JMM will get a bigger purse than his previous fight with MAB. Maybe he will get $1.5 M this time instead of only $1M. But no way it should be equal to Pac.
It is the LAW OF ECONOMICS 101 -- SUPPLY AND DEMAND. More demand = higher price. Pac is the more in-demand fighter. I just don't understand why people think that this law should apply to all other boxers EXCEPT when it comes to Pacman.
I just don't like the idea of people taking advantage of Pac. We all know about the vultures that hang around Pac's entourage that milk him of his money. And now we have a fighter who wants to get money he doesn't deserve (again, based on economics).
All that Pac has to do is stick to his guns, and whatever people say, the fight will push through. Frankly, because JMM couldn't afford NOT to take the fight.
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Keypoll you think with your head. I like that. I lack that capacity most of the time ;D
The more you prove the situation to be right, the more worng it seems :-\
Anyway, CC to you and Wacko for making excellent points. Wacko lets just hope Marquez gets his dues eh? ;)
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
If you don't think that a Marquez fight would draw more a** filled seats than a Diaz fight or Valero...you (NOT JUST YOU) are sadly mistaken. Believe it or not...most Pac fans on here want to see the fight as Marquez fans do.
Thanks for the clarification hitman.
Anyway, regarding wacko's point above:
Granted it was true, then that is why JMM will get a bigger purse than his previous fight with MAB. Maybe he will get $1.5 M this time instead of only $1M. But no way it should be equal to Pac.
It is the LAW OF ECONOMICS 101 -- SUPPLY AND DEMAND. More demand = higher price. Pac is the more in-demand fighter. I just don't understand why people think that this law should apply to all other boxers EXCEPT when it comes to Pacman.
I just don't like the idea of people taking advantage of Pac. We all know about the vultures that hang around Pac's entourage that milk him of his money. And now we have a fighter who wants to get money he doesn't deserve (again, based on economics).
All that Pac has to do is stick to his guns, and whatever people say, the fight will push through. Frankly, because JMM couldn't afford NOT to take the fight.
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Keypoll you think with your head. I like that. I lack that capacity most of the time ;D
The more you prove the situation to be right, the more worng it seems :-\
Anyway, CC to you and Wacko for making excellent points. Wacko lets just hope Marquez gets his dues eh? ;)
:coolclick: back JB.
The thing is...Marquez should get his dues now...especially after beating Barrera last & if he breezes through his next challenge the fans & boxing public should be clammoring & clappin' "like titties in the wind" for Pac Marquez II.
Yes Pac is the bigger draw...but it takes two here in the U.S. to make a big fight.
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:coolclick: back JB.
The thing is...Marquez should get his dues now...especially after beating Barrera last & if he breezes through his next challenge the fans & boxing public should be clammoring & clappin' "like titties in the wind" for Pac Marquez II.
Yes Pac is the bigger draw...but it takes two here in the U.S. to make a big fight.
Yes, it will surely be a big fight! That is why JMM will get more than the $1M that he got in his title fight against Barrera. But still, he should not get equal to Pac's purse.
If the purse turns out to be equal, then the first order of business is to FIRE Pac's manager for stupidly undervaluing his fighter's true economic worth.
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Originally Posted by keypool
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
If you don't think that a Marquez fight would draw more a** filled seats than a Diaz fight or Valero...you (NOT JUST YOU) are sadly mistaken. Believe it or not...most Pac fans on here want to see the fight as Marquez fans do.
Thanks for the clarification hitman.
Anyway, regarding wacko's point above:
Granted it was true, then that is why JMM will get a bigger purse than his previous fight with MAB. Maybe he will get $1.5 M this time instead of only $1M. But no way it should be equal to Pac.
It is the LAW OF ECONOMICS 101 -- SUPPLY AND DEMAND. More demand = higher price. Pac is the more in-demand fighter. I just don't understand why people think that this law should apply to all other boxers EXCEPT when it comes to Pacman.
I just don't like the idea of people taking advantage of Pac. We all know about the vultures that hang around Pac's entourage that milk him of his money. And now we have a fighter who wants to get money he doesn't deserve (again, based on economics).
All that Pac has to do is stick to his guns, and whatever people say, the fight will push through. Frankly, because JMM couldn't afford NOT to take the fight.
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Keypoll you think with your head. I like that. I lack that capacity most of the time ;D
The more you prove the situation to be right, the more worng it seems :-\
Anyway, CC to you and Wacko for making excellent points. Wacko lets just hope Marquez gets his dues eh? ;)
Thanks for the compliment Jim. :)
Don't worry, if JMM beats Pac in their second fight, JMM will most definitely get his dues and much bigger moolah in Pac-JMM 3 (if there is one).
Either way, JMM still earns more money in 1 fight than what most average joes would earn in a lifetime! So, no need to feel bad for JMM if he gets a lesser prize purse.
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It's too bad you don't get payed in boxing based on how good you are or how much you deserve it.If the world was fair, Marquez would command equal or more than Barerra, but JMM, champ or not, deserving or not, doesn't draw like a Barrera or a Morales. Pacman does. It is what it is. At the same time, JMM is the biggest fight that Pacman can make. He'll make more money giving JMM 40% than he will if he fights Diaz give him 25%.
I have no problem with Pac getting more than a 50% split, because he's the MUCH bigger draw, but he better be willing to give at least 40 or 45. If Manny offers 40%, JMM better should take it, and take it with a smile, cuz that will set him up well win or lose, and if he wins, he's in the drivers seat for his next fight.
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Some more news:
I just found out that the upcoming Marquez-Juarez bout will no longer be televised by HBO Pay-Per-view. It will be broadcast instead by Showtime. Could it be because JMM could not bring in the $$$ because he is a poor crowd drawer? I wonder how much his purse will be during the Marquez-Juarez title fight.
From Pacquiao's confidant, Wakee Salud in a recent news article today:
“Pacquiao will get more facing Diaz than facing either Marquez or Valero. A promotion between Golden Boy and Top Rank leaves less for Manny,” said Salud, one of Pacquiao’s closest business associates.
“First, Marquez is asking too much to defend his title against Pacquiao who is the main draw. Very big. So, Manny will certainly get more against Diaz. Kaya niya solohin lahat,” added Salud.
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Sp...id=20071014146
JMM better settle for a low fight purse if he wants to fight Pac.
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case in point. in the recent morales-diaz fight, erik got more than a million dollars while champion david received around $350K.
granting that marquez hurdles juarez, the pac-jmm rematch would all depend on jmm for it to happen. he made the mistake of turning it down the first time, will he be making the same mistake again?
