Underrated......

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by No Contest

I completely agree on the Kessler fight, that was the only full fight of Kesslers I have seen and he really impressed me with his ring generalship and solid technique. He kept moving all night keeping perfect range on Andrade. I think the fact that Andrade took such a beating and survived kind of took precedent and stole the show a little. Andrade wasnt too hard to hit as well. The only part I disagree with you about is Caballero. He looked either weight drained or he has low endurance because this last fight Lacierva made him look sluggish a bit and lanky with the looping uppercut. Havent seen that N'Dou Rabah fight, I'll have to try and catch that.

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I missed the last Caballero fight so if he did look bad i didnt realise.

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The 122 division belongs to Rafael Marquez and Israel Vazquez. Which is why Caballero has a hard time getting noticed

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Ponce de Leon gets noticed quite a bit, yet he got schooled by Caballero.

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Knock out artists always get noticed.

Steve Molitor
Joan Guzman
Chris John
Frankie "El Gato" Figueroa

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by eagle

Most underrated fighter all time. Alexis Arguello. This man was the man for so long in some of the lower weight divisions, and deserves to be as famous as fighters like Duran, yet ask casual boxing fans who he is and most wont know.

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CC#102 on me eagle for mentioning 'El Flaco Explosivo' defintely underrated and under appreciated.

The man is legendary...... He is the ONLY boxer whos been Champion in 3 weight classes, defended every title he had at least once and NEVER lost a Championship fight. I think he does get placed low in all time P4P rankings and he is less talked about then the likes of other fighters who did less then he.
I've had that avatar picture of him dropping 'El Puas' from day 1 here at Saddos, I changed it once to commemarate Sanchez vs. Gomez.

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It was actually ppl such as yourself that put me on to Arguello, and if i'd never gone on this site i'd probably not realised how great he was. Thats the main reason i see him as underrated.

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Man eagle then you would have had some fun with 'tuctan' and I before he and I used to chat on threads and thru PM's about Arguello and many other latin fighters. tuctan hasnt' posted here in over a year I would say but to me his posts still echo here. tuctan was also from Nicaragua and has fought in 2 wars and survived a illness that landed him in the hospital. He had lived in Nicaragua, Mexico, Los Angeles, Florida and other places.
I learned a lot from tuctan....

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

CutmeMick,where has Tuctan gone? I remember when I first became a boxing fan,joined this site and heard of a boxer called Argullo,and he told me EVERYTHING about him. In fact,if I remember correctly,Tuctan was writing a book about El Flaco Explosive? I have not seen Tuctan in over a year and a half at least! If you're reading this Tuctan,get back here my man!

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Ha!
I just read this now... lol
Everytime Arguellos name get's mentioned I think of tuctan what a good guy he was.
He started writing it during that time in late 2005 I think.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by eagle

Most underrated fighter all time. Alexis Arguello. This man was the man for so long in some of the lower weight divisions, and deserves to be as famous as fighters like Duran, yet ask casual boxing fans who he is and most wont know.

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CC#102 on me eagle for mentioning 'El Flaco Explosivo' defintely underrated and under appreciated.

The man is legendary...... He is the ONLY boxer whos been Champion in 3 weight classes, defended every title he had at least once and NEVER lost a Championship fight. I think he does get placed low in all time P4P rankings and he is less talked about then the likes of other fighters who did less then he.
I've had that avatar picture of him dropping 'El Puas' from day 1 here at Saddos, I changed it once to commemarate Sanchez vs. Gomez.

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It was actually ppl such as yourself that put me on to Arguello, and if i'd never gone on this site i'd probably not realised how great he was. Thats the main reason i see him as underrated.

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Man eagle then you would have had some fun with 'tuctan' and I before he and I used to chat on threads and thru PM's about Arguello and many other latin fighters. tuctan hasnt' posted here in over a year I would say but to me his posts still echo here. tuctan was also from Nicaragua and has fought in 2 wars and survived a illness that landed him in the hospital. He had lived in Nicaragua, Mexico, Los Angeles, Florida and other places.
I learned a lot from tuctan....

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I think i remember the name. Sounds like an interesting guy.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

CutmeMick,where has Tuctan gone? I remember when I first became a boxing fan,joined this site and heard of a boxer called Argullo,and he told me EVERYTHING about him. In fact,if I remember correctly,Tuctan was writing a book about El Flaco Explosive? I have not seen Tuctan in over a year and a half at least! If you're reading this Tuctan,get back here my man!

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Ha!
I just read this now... lol
Everytime Arguellos name get's mentioned I think of tuctan what a good guy he was.
He started writing it during that time in late 2005 I think.

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LOL,great minds! Do you still stay in touch with Tuctan?

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

CutmeMick,where has Tuctan gone? I remember when I first became a boxing fan,joined this site and heard of a boxer called Argullo,and he told me EVERYTHING about him. In fact,if I remember correctly,Tuctan was writing a book about El Flaco Explosive? I have not seen Tuctan in over a year and a half at least! If you're reading this Tuctan,get back here my man!

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Ha!
I just read this now... lol
Everytime Arguellos name get's mentioned I think of tuctan what a good guy he was.
He started writing it during that time in late 2005 I think.

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LOL,great minds! Do you still stay in touch with Tuctan?

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I've sent him several messages but the last time he replied was about a year ago on his b-day.

i can't believe no one's talking about this guy. he's virtually unknown and yet his record speaks for itself. Jorge Fernando Castro.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...=762&cat=boxer

roman karmazin

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i guess you can throw in chris john

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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft

Ok im going to throw some names in on who i think are underrated.

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Joshua Clottey

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I agree!

Clottey showed he had the tools to beat Margarito but was unlucky in the end. I think he's tough as nails, throws a lot of hard shots and is pretty damn quick with it to boot.

I dare not to go into it now but i reckon he upsets a few bookies in his time ;)

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Originally Posted by Headson

roman karmazin

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Aww damn, another one!

Mind you, i think the 154 division in general is underrated.

Karmazin, Spinks, Dela Hoya, Santos, Acline, Simms, Ouma...

When you look at the WW's below, you can see how many from the 'great' division would genuinely struggle against this list of fighters.

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Originally Posted by Headson

roman karmazin

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Aww damn, another one!

Mind you, i think the 154 division in general is underrated.

Karmazin, Spinks, Dela Hoya, Santos, Acline, Simms, Ouma...

When you look at the WW's below, you can see how many from the 'great' division would genuinely struggle against this list of fighters.

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cc for you in i agree that 154 is underated also have good prospects
also guys like forrest
and may prospects from europe

Alexis is underated?
He whooped Mancini in Mancini's prime,how do you underate that

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Alexis is underated?
He whooped Mancini in Mancini's prime,how do you underate that

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Yeah, i had a hard time swallowing that theory :-\

I think he's underdebated if anything.

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Alexis is underated?
He whooped Mancini in Mancini's prime,how do you underate that

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He is underrated by the general public. He should be as well knoen as a Duran, yet ask the average casual boxing fan who arguello is and many wont know. I never underrated his ability.

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Originally Posted by KKisser

i can't believe no one's talking about this guy. he's virtually unknown and yet his record speaks for itself. Jorge Fernando Castro.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...=762&cat=boxer

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'La Locomotora' is one bad muthafucker!!!
That's my mans hes involved in my #2 favorite fight as far as FOTYs go... When he beat 'Action' Jackson.
Only second to JLC-Corrales I in my books..... Castro fought his ass off in that fight and no matter how many times I see it I jump up and scream OH! Shit! Got damn!!! when I see him loop that hook.
He's beaten some prominent and World Class names. Some of the fighters hes beaten are Johnson 2 times, Jackson 2 times, Drews, Duran, Harmon.
He also fought but lost to Terry Norris, RJJ, J.C. Gomez, Jirov, Paul Briggs.
The mans started his career weighing 149 lbs. Firstly contended at 154 then fought as a Middleweight where he became champ top contender as a Cruiserweight where he has fought for 2 major titles and the IBO belt also. In 2005 he won an eliminator bout against Harmon for the WBA Light Heavyweight title back then the title was vacant and more then likely Castro would have fought either Silvo Branco or Tiozzo depending on the time frame in which you look at.
I personally would say Castros un-appreciated and hes one of those fighters whos fought for years so many names with some wins and some looses and he always gives it his all every single time he fights.

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Originally Posted by KKisser

i can't believe no one's talking about this guy. he's virtually unknown and yet his record speaks for itself. Jorge Fernando Castro.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...=762&cat=boxer

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Great work KKisser, thats the sort of thing i was trying to get from this thread. Fernando Castro obviously was not scared of anyone, beat some good names, and went the distance with some greats. CC

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Alexis is underated?
He whooped Mancini in Mancini's prime,how do you underate that

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He is underrated by the general public. He should be as well knoen as a Duran, yet ask the average casual boxing fan who arguello is and many wont know. I never underrated his ability.

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CC Correct.

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Alexis is underated?
He whooped Mancini in Mancini's prime,how do you underate that

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He is underrated by the general public. He should be as well knoen as a Duran, yet ask the average casual boxing fan who arguello is and many wont know. I never underrated his ability.

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again not in the philippines and maybe some other places. cc back and to cutmemick too for the infos.