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Re: Debate for the MMWC Heavy/Flyweight Titles.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Bilbo's post Round 6
The american view strategy is obviously desperasion in your part biblo. This isn't about america, soccer, or all the other nounsense you keep posting. keep to the course, flyweights and heavyweights. You still haven't explain why the flyweight is overall better, your all about opinions and false facts. And you and your buddy v.d keep hoping im giving up when its you bilbo that has no direction with his debates, you say a lot of what your going to do but never actually do it. you just keep continueing on with more nounsense posting from bilbo.
The American strategy is desperation? How is it it's fundamental to your argument!
You say that flyweights are not big business and that they don't feature in main events. THEY DO!
They don't feature in main events IN AMERICA because there are no decent American flyweights and hence no interest in the division.
You cannot even debate with me any more, merely running lines through my posts and writing 'RUBBISH' next to it ::**
If you disagree please explain why.
Demonstrate American PPV interest in non American heavyweight fights. Demonstrate that in countries where the flyweight divisions are strong that they still cannot make main events.
Wasn't the Kamedo Naito fight on this week a main event? Yes
Was the Calderon Cazares fight a main event? Yes
Were they televised? Yes, did they have large viewing audiences, YES!
The reality is that interest in the heavyweight scene is now so low that unless an American is fighting they don't even bother to screen the fights in the US.
This has always been largely the case with the other divisions too. How often do you see non American bouts on American television in any division?
Answer is you don't.
In fact the only non American guys who ever break through and win a big crowd following in America are LITTLE GUYS, the Erik Morales, Manny Pacquaio's and Marco Antonio Barrera's.
It is entirely likey that in the future the guys like Christian Mijares, Nonito Donaire and Ivan Calderon will become some of the biggest NON AMERICAN names in America.
HBO and Showtime are always looking for EXCITING fighters and more and more their attention has been on the smaller fighters. Nowadays when people think of power punchers do they think of heavyweights?
Not likely, it's guys like Ponce De Leon, Darchinyan, Valero, Pacquiao etc, not all flyweights it's true but it shows that OVERWHELMINGLY the trend has been a decrease in popularity in the heavyweight division and a surge of interest in guys at the lower weights.
That's why now on any big PPV card you'll most likely see some fighters featured from the flyweight and bantam weight divisions because they provide good entertainment value.
When was the last time you could say that about the heavyweight division?
you call this a round? Most of what you said here has nothing to do with the flyweights, your giving props to the lower weight classes but you yourself is pointing out that its not the flyweight becuase the lower weight excitements ends at bantamweights up to welterweights.
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Re: Debate for the MMWC Heavy/Flyweight Titles.
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Bilbo's post Round 6
The american view strategy is obviously desperasion in your part biblo. This isn't about america, soccer, or all the other nounsense you keep posting. keep to the course, flyweights and heavyweights. You still haven't explain why the flyweight is overall better, your all about opinions and false facts. And you and your buddy v.d keep hoping im giving up when its you bilbo that has no direction with his debates, you say a lot of what your going to do but never actually do it. you just keep continueing on with more nounsense posting from bilbo.
The American strategy is desperation? How is it it's fundamental to your argument!
You say that flyweights are not big business and that they don't feature in main events. THEY DO!
They don't feature in main events IN AMERICA because there are no decent American flyweights and hence no interest in the division.
You cannot even debate with me any more, merely running lines through my posts and writing 'RUBBISH' next to it ::**
If you disagree please explain why.
Demonstrate American PPV interest in non American heavyweight fights. Demonstrate that in countries where the flyweight divisions are strong that they still cannot make main events.
Wasn't the Kamedo Naito fight on this week a main event? Yes
Was the Calderon Cazares fight a main event? Yes
Were they televised? Yes, did they have large viewing audiences, YES!
The reality is that interest in the heavyweight scene is now so low that unless an American is fighting they don't even bother to screen the fights in the US.
This has always been largely the case with the other divisions too. How often do you see non American bouts on American television in any division?
Answer is you don't.
In fact the only non American guys who ever break through and win a big crowd following in America are LITTLE GUYS, the Erik Morales, Manny Pacquaio's and Marco Antonio Barrera's.
It is entirely likey that in the future the guys like Christian Mijares, Nonito Donaire and Ivan Calderon will become some of the biggest NON AMERICAN names in America.
HBO and Showtime are always looking for EXCITING fighters and more and more their attention has been on the smaller fighters. Nowadays when people think of power punchers do they think of heavyweights?
Not likely, it's guys like Ponce De Leon, Darchinyan, Valero, Pacquiao etc, not all flyweights it's true but it shows that OVERWHELMINGLY the trend has been a decrease in popularity in the heavyweight division and a surge of interest in guys at the lower weights.
That's why now on any big PPV card you'll most likely see some fighters featured from the flyweight and bantam weight divisions because they provide good entertainment value.
When was the last time you could say that about the heavyweight division?
you call this a round? Most of what you said here has nothing to do with the flyweights, your giving props to the lower weight classes but you yourself is pointing out that its not the flyweight becuase the lower weight excitements ends at bantamweights up to welterweights.
Bilbo Round 8
Wow Rain is barely throwing any punches at all now!
I would expect the post to be lost on you as it involves recognising a trend and as can we see from your arguments in past rounds you have no idea of recognising trends or of determining how something is going.
Let me explain, just like this debate is slipping away from you round by round,so over the past few years has the spotlight of attention in boxing been slipping away from the heavyweight division and shining more brightly on the smaller guys.
It's a trend in boxing. Right now whether people want to see knockouts, speed, skills, drama and excitement they look to the lower weight divisions to provide it.
The flyweights are just one of those divisions. It's a pivotal shift of focus.
Anyway my gauntlet was laid down in my folowing post. I've made my move and set down my top 10 most exciting of 2007 in the flyweight division.
To have any hope at all of staying in this debate you must provide your own.
What were your favourite 10 heavyweight fights of the past year that really excited you and had you and everybody watching them on the edge of their seats?
:lolhaha:
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Re: Debate for the MMWC Heavy/Flyweight Titles.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Bilbo's post Round 7
Ok that's that over with, now let's (FINALLY!) get to the meat of the argument,. I say the flyweights are more exciting than the heavies you argue otherwise. Let's settle this once and for all.
List your top 10 most exciting heavyweight fights of the year and I'll list my top 10 flyweight fights of the year. Remember this is all about excitment and drama!
I'll go first, here's mine.
1.) Nonito Donaire vs Vic Darchinyan One of the greatest upsets of the year Donaire exposed Darchinyan big time catching him cold with a stunning one punch knockout, one of the best of the year. The fight completely overshadowed the supposed 'main event' of Travis Simms vs Joachim Alcine I'll tell you a real david versus goliet upset of the year. pay attention cause this was no upset vic just got expose by a unknown talented boxer nonito.
2.)Hugo Cazares vs Ivan Calderon A fight that generated world wide(B.S) interest amongst boxing fans the tiny 5ft Calderon stepped up a division to face the big punching and 7 inches taller Ring champion Hugo Cazares. In a fascinating fight Calderon befuddled and outsmarted the much bigger man and overcame the drama of being caught in the middle of the fight. Cazares was stalking him at the end, but Calderon held firm for a fantastic victory
3.) Ulises Solis vs Rodel Mayo In an action packed fight Solis recovered from a knockdown and almost being out on his feet to come back and knockout the brave challenger Mayo.
4.) Fernando Montiel vs Luis Melendez One of the best fights of the year WBO Super flyweight champ Montiel picked himself up off the floor to finish Melendez in the final minute of a 12 round war
5.) Jorge Arce vs Tomas Rojas Although the fight took place at bantamweight Arce make no mistake is a flyweight star. After taking a beating for 5 savage rounds he stunned Rojas with a devasting body shot that spectacularly ended the fight
6.)Dimitri Kirilov vs Jose Navarro, The chief support for the Holyfield Ibragimov world title fight this flyweight bout was by far the more entertaining of the two. Kirilov overcame a knockdown in the 3rd round to fight back and win a close and extremely hard fought 12 round win.
7.) Christian Mijares vs Jorge Arce In a suprising upset the little known Mijares revealed himself to be a super slick southpaw who laid a smackdown on the popular Mexican ending his 8 year unbeaten run in spectacular fashion.
8.) Daisuke Naito vs Daiki Kameda. A savage ugly brawl that erupted into one of the dirties fights in recent memory. Naito put a beatdown on Daiki Kameda, leading him to spectacularly implode in the fight and earn himself a year's ban from the sport. But don't let the fouls fool you, unlike Mayweather Judah this was a savage powerpunching fightfest and my favourite fight this week.A dissapointment
9.) Edgar Sosa vs Brian Viloria. An undercard fight on the Blaze of Glory HBO PPV featuring Manny Pacquiao vs Jorge Solis, this fight was clearly the best bout of the night. A toe to toe brawl Sosa managed to find something in the last rounds to pull off a huge upset win. Boxing writers praised the fight as being one of the finest of the year. (Brian Viloria is also dissapointing
10) Daisuke Naito vs Pongsaklek WonjongkamAnother great showing from Naito he caused a huge upset by beating the Ring champ Wonjingkam and ending his 6 year and 16 title defenses reign. Wonjingkam had previously been rated at number 10 in the Ring magazines p4p list. Pongsaklek has always been overrated and protected
Ok that's my top 10 most exciting flyweight fights of the year.
post you top 10 most exciting heavyweight fights of the year and why you feel they were exciting.
:)
Round: 6
this is suppose to be impressive? you prolly didn't even anticipate any of these fights. if it weren't for our other buddies on saddo you would of never heard about these fights. You damn well exagerrated on your top then flyweights, i don't blame you though you prolly name all the ones you heard about :D but I'll do you one better since you ask so nicely. OOH v.d pay attention son you gonna learn something.
Wlady-Brewster: you damn right the rematch, you know you anticipated this fight.
Toney-Peter: toney getting drop and getting beat but still running his mouth, gotta love toney.
Ruslan-Valuev: The real david and goliat upset of the year.
Mccline-Peter: dropping peter three times but peter comes back to win the decision.
Valuev-Mccline: gotta love giants knocking out another big men.
Golota-Mcbribe: more heavyweight knock outs
Moore-Boruff: Michael Moore knocking out undefeated boruff in one round.
Sultan-Briggs: gave a good scrap for 12 rounds, robotic briggs got his ass handed to him which I love.
Mesi-Miller: Perfect record Joe mesi is back, knocking out both of his past two openents in the first round, shannon miller isn't exactly up there but you gotta love heavyweight knock outs and tko more then flyweight tko and k.o's :P ;D
Juan Carlos Gomez-Oliver Mccall: Pantera Negra dominated, gotta watch out for this guy coming up the ranks.
Come on bilbo, even though you got v.d as your cheerleader, your not impressing nobody. We all know your not even a flyweight fan so, how in the world can you fool the judges or any othe people that the flyweight is a lot more exciting? Besides v.D theres nobody fooling for your little tricks. And your trying to make it seem your really winning with the help of v.d a guy that would do anything to see me lose.
The heavyweights are far more marketable then any flyweight, and thats the bottom line cause they are more exciting to watch. Nothing beats a good ol heavyweight knock out. Em I right judges? would we pay and take a trip to vegas for a flyweight fight? better yet anywhere in the world? Majority of boxing fans will not spend on flyweight events, the money is just not there, the interest the fans the general public do not talk about flyweights. They are just the undercard of bigger fights. Like I said earlier, most of us don't even come to a live fight early enough to see flyweight fights.
Your in check bilbo, what you gonna do now? hehe ;)
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Re: Debate for the MMWC Heavy/Flyweight Titles.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Bilbo's post Round 6
The american view strategy is obviously desperasion in your part biblo. This isn't about america, soccer, or all the other nounsense you keep posting. keep to the course, flyweights and heavyweights. You still haven't explain why the flyweight is overall better, your all about opinions and false facts. And you and your buddy v.d keep hoping im giving up when its you bilbo that has no direction with his debates, you say a lot of what your going to do but never actually do it. you just keep continueing on with more nounsense posting from bilbo.
The American strategy is desperation? How is it it's fundamental to your argument!
You say that flyweights are not big business and that they don't feature in main events. THEY DO!
They don't feature in main events IN AMERICA because there are no decent American flyweights and hence no interest in the division.
You cannot even debate with me any more, merely running lines through my posts and writing 'RUBBISH' next to it ::**
If you disagree please explain why.
Demonstrate American PPV interest in non American heavyweight fights. Demonstrate that in countries where the flyweight divisions are strong that they still cannot make main events.
Wasn't the Kamedo Naito fight on this week a main event? Yes
Was the Calderon Cazares fight a main event? Yes
Were they televised? Yes, did they have large viewing audiences, YES!
The reality is that interest in the heavyweight scene is now so low that unless an American is fighting they don't even bother to screen the fights in the US.
This has always been largely the case with the other divisions too. How often do you see non American bouts on American television in any division?
Answer is you don't.
In fact the only non American guys who ever break through and win a big crowd following in America are LITTLE GUYS, the Erik Morales, Manny Pacquaio's and Marco Antonio Barrera's.
It is entirely likey that in the future the guys like Christian Mijares, Nonito Donaire and Ivan Calderon will become some of the biggest NON AMERICAN names in America.
HBO and Showtime are always looking for EXCITING fighters and more and more their attention has been on the smaller fighters. Nowadays when people think of power punchers do they think of heavyweights?
Not likely, it's guys like Ponce De Leon, Darchinyan, Valero, Pacquiao etc, not all flyweights it's true but it shows that OVERWHELMINGLY the trend has been a decrease in popularity in the heavyweight division and a surge of interest in guys at the lower weights.
That's why now on any big PPV card you'll most likely see some fighters featured from the flyweight and bantam weight divisions because they provide good entertainment value.
When was the last time you could say that about the heavyweight division?
you call this a round? Most of what you said here has nothing to do with the flyweights, your giving props to the lower weight classes but you yourself is pointing out that its not the flyweight becuase the lower weight excitements ends at bantamweights up to welterweights.
Bilbo Round 8
Wow Rain is barely throwing any punches at all now!
I would expect the post to be lost on you as it involves recognising a trend and as can we see from your arguments in past rounds you have no idea of recognising trends or of determining how something is going.
Let me explain, just like this debate is slipping away from you round by round,so over the past few years has the spotlight of attention in boxing been slipping away from the heavyweight division and shining more brightly on the smaller guys.
It's a trend in boxing. Right now whether people want to see knockouts, speed, skills, drama and excitement they look to the lower weight divisions to provide it.
The flyweights are just one of those divisions. It's a pivotal shift of focus.
Anyway my gauntlet was laid down in my folowing post. I've made my move and set down my top 10
most exciting of 2007 in the flyweight division.
To have any hope at all of staying in this debate you must provide your own.
What were your favourite 10 heavyweight fights of the past year that really excited you and had you and everybody watching them on the edge of their seats?
:lolhaha:
you keep trying to point out that the focus has shifted from the heavyweight down to the lower weight classes. But the flyweight do not contribute much to the catagory of the LOWERWEIGHT CLASSES. like I said, the fan interest is base from the bantamweights to the weltherweights. That is the range of the dubbed, LOWER WEIGHT CLASSES. it stops before the flyweight, even you know that.
And you call this a round again? in this pace your just giving up the rounds to me.
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Re: Debate for the MMWC Heavy/Flyweight Titles.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Bilbo's post Round 7
Ok that's that over with, now let's (FINALLY!) get to the meat of the argument,. I say the flyweights are more exciting than the heavies you argue otherwise. Let's settle this once and for all.
List your top 10 most exciting heavyweight fights of the year and I'll list my top 10 flyweight fights of the year. Remember this is all about excitment and drama!
I'll go first, here's mine.
1.) Nonito Donaire vs Vic Darchinyan One of the greatest upsets of the year Donaire exposed Darchinyan big time catching him cold with a stunning one punch knockout, one of the best of the year. The fight completely overshadowed the supposed 'main event' of Travis Simms vs Joachim Alcine I'll tell you a real david versus goliet upset of the year. pay attention cause this was no upset vic just got expose by a unknown talented boxer nonito.
2.)Hugo Cazares vs Ivan Calderon A fight that generated world wide(B.S) interest amongst boxing fans the tiny 5ft Calderon stepped up a division to face the big punching and 7 inches taller Ring champion Hugo Cazares. In a fascinating fight Calderon befuddled and outsmarted the much bigger man and overcame the drama of being caught in the middle of the fight. Cazares was stalking him at the end, but Calderon held firm for a fantastic victory
3.) Ulises Solis vs Rodel Mayo In an action packed fight Solis recovered from a knockdown and almost being out on his feet to come back and knockout the brave challenger Mayo.
4.) Fernando Montiel vs Luis Melendez One of the best fights of the year WBO Super flyweight champ Montiel picked himself up off the floor to finish Melendez in the final minute of a 12 round war
5.) Jorge Arce vs Tomas Rojas Although the fight took place at bantamweight Arce make no mistake is a flyweight star. After taking a beating for 5 savage rounds he stunned Rojas with a devasting body shot that spectacularly ended the fight
6.)Dimitri Kirilov vs Jose Navarro, The chief support for the Holyfield Ibragimov world title fight this flyweight bout was by far the more entertaining of the two. Kirilov overcame a knockdown in the 3rd round to fight back and win a close and extremely hard fought 12 round win.
7.) Christian Mijares vs Jorge Arce In a suprising upset the little known Mijares revealed himself to be a super slick southpaw who laid a smackdown on the popular Mexican ending his 8 year unbeaten run in spectacular fashion.
8.) Daisuke Naito vs Daiki Kameda. A savage ugly brawl that erupted into one of the dirties fights in recent memory. Naito put a beatdown on Daiki Kameda, leading him to spectacularly implode in the fight and earn himself a year's ban from the sport. But don't let the fouls fool you, unlike Mayweather Judah this was a savage powerpunching fightfest and my favourite fight this week.A dissapointment
9.) Edgar Sosa vs Brian Viloria. An undercard fight on the Blaze of Glory HBO PPV featuring Manny Pacquiao vs Jorge Solis, this fight was clearly the best bout of the night. A toe to toe brawl Sosa managed to find something in the last rounds to pull off a huge upset win. Boxing writers praised the fight as being one of the finest of the year. (Brian Viloria is also dissapointing
10) Daisuke Naito vs Pongsaklek WonjongkamAnother great showing from Naito he caused a huge upset by beating the Ring champ Wonjingkam and ending his 6 year and 16 title defenses reign. Wonjingkam had previously been rated at number 10 in the Ring magazines p4p list. Pongsaklek has always been overrated and protected
Ok that's my top 10 most exciting flyweight fights of the year.
post you top 10 most exciting heavyweight fights of the year and why you feel they were exciting.
:)
Round: 6
this is suppose to be impressive? you prolly didn't even anticipate any of these fights. if it weren't for our other buddies on saddo you would of never heard about these fights. You damn well exagerrated on your top then flyweights, i don't blame you though you prolly name all the ones you heard about :D but I'll do you one better since you ask so nicely. OOH v.d pay attention son you gonna learn something.
Wlady-Brewster: you damn right the rematch, you know you anticipated this fight.
Toney-Peter: toney getting drop and getting beat but still running his mouth, gotta love toney.
Ruslan-Valuev: The real david and goliat upset of the year.
Mccline-Peter: dropping peter three times but peter comes back to win the decision.
Valuev-Mccline: gotta love giants knocking out another big men.
Golota-Mcbribe: more heavyweight knock outs
Moore-Boruff: Michael Moore knocking out undefeated boruff in one round.
Sultan-Briggs: gave a good scrap for 12 rounds, robotic briggs got his a** handed to him which I love.
Mesi-Miller: Perfect record Joe mesi is back, knocking out both of his past two openents in the first round, shannon miller isn't exactly up there but you gotta love heavyweight knock outs and tko more then flyweight tko and k.o's :P ;D
Juan Carlos Gomez-Oliver Mccall: Pantera Negra dominated, gotta watch out for this guy coming up the ranks.
Come on bilbo, even though you got v.d as your cheerleader, your not impressing nobody. We all know your not even a flyweight fan so, how in the world can you fool the judges or any othe people that the flyweight is a lot more exciting? Besides v.D theres nobody fooling for your little tricks. And your trying to make it seem your really winning with the help of v.d a guy that would do anything to see me lose.
The heavyweights are far more marketable then any flyweight, and thats the bottom line cause they are more exciting to watch. Nothing beats a good ol heavyweight knock out. Em I right judges? would we pay and take a trip to vegas for a flyweight fight? better yet anywhere in the world? Majority of boxing fans will not spend on flyweight events, the money is just not there, the interest the fans the general public do not talk about flyweights. They are just the undercard of bigger fights. Like I said earlier, most of us don't even come to a live fight early enough to see flyweight fights.
Your in check bilbo, what you gonna do now? hehe ;)
Bilbo's post Round 9
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Re: Debate for the MMWC Heavy/Flyweight Titles.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Bilbo's post Round 7
Ok that's that over with, now let's (FINALLY!) get to the meat of the argument,. I say the flyweights are more exciting than the heavies you argue otherwise. Let's settle this once and for all.
List your top 10 most exciting heavyweight fights of the year and I'll list my top 10 flyweight fights of the year. Remember this is all about excitment and drama!
I'll go first, here's mine.
1.) Nonito Donaire vs Vic Darchinyan One of the greatest upsets of the year Donaire exposed Darchinyan big time catching him cold with a stunning one punch knockout, one of the best of the year. The fight completely overshadowed the supposed 'main event' of Travis Simms vs Joachim Alcine I'll tell you a real david versus goliet upset of the year. pay attention cause this was no upset vic just got expose by a unknown talented boxer nonito.
2.)Hugo Cazares vs Ivan Calderon A fight that generated world wide(B.S) interest amongst boxing fans the tiny 5ft Calderon stepped up a division to face the big punching and 7 inches taller Ring champion Hugo Cazares. In a fascinating fight Calderon befuddled and outsmarted the much bigger man and overcame the drama of being caught in the middle of the fight. Cazares was stalking him at the end, but Calderon held firm for a fantastic victory
3.) Ulises Solis vs Rodel Mayo In an action packed fight Solis recovered from a knockdown and almost being out on his feet to come back and knockout the brave challenger Mayo.
4.) Fernando Montiel vs Luis Melendez One of the best fights of the year WBO Super flyweight champ Montiel picked himself up off the floor to finish Melendez in the final minute of a 12 round war
5.) Jorge Arce vs Tomas Rojas Although the fight took place at bantamweight Arce make no mistake is a flyweight star. After taking a beating for 5 savage rounds he stunned Rojas with a devasting body shot that spectacularly ended the fight
6.)Dimitri Kirilov vs Jose Navarro, The chief support for the Holyfield Ibragimov world title fight this flyweight bout was by far the more entertaining of the two. Kirilov overcame a knockdown in the 3rd round to fight back and win a close and extremely hard fought 12 round win.
7.) Christian Mijares vs Jorge Arce In a suprising upset the little known Mijares revealed himself to be a super slick southpaw who laid a smackdown on the popular Mexican ending his 8 year unbeaten run in spectacular fashion.
8.) Daisuke Naito vs Daiki Kameda. A savage ugly brawl that erupted into one of the dirties fights in recent memory. Naito put a beatdown on Daiki Kameda, leading him to spectacularly implode in the fight and earn himself a year's ban from the sport. But don't let the fouls fool you, unlike Mayweather Judah this was a savage powerpunching fightfest and my favourite fight this week.A dissapointment
9.) Edgar Sosa vs Brian Viloria. An undercard fight on the Blaze of Glory HBO PPV featuring Manny Pacquiao vs Jorge Solis, this fight was clearly the best bout of the night. A toe to toe brawl Sosa managed to find something in the last rounds to pull off a huge upset win. Boxing writers praised the fight as being one of the finest of the year. (Brian Viloria is also dissapointing
10) Daisuke Naito vs Pongsaklek WonjongkamAnother great showing from Naito he caused a huge upset by beating the Ring champ Wonjingkam and ending his 6 year and 16 title defenses reign. Wonjingkam had previously been rated at number 10 in the Ring magazines p4p list. Pongsaklek has always been overrated and protected
Ok that's my top 10 most exciting flyweight fights of the year.
post you top 10 most exciting heavyweight fights of the year and why you feel they were exciting.
:)
Round: 6
this is suppose to be impressive? you prolly didn't even anticipate any of these fights. if it weren't for our other buddies on saddo you would of never heard about these fights. You damn well exagerrated on your top then flyweights, i don't blame you though you prolly name all the ones you heard about :D but I'll do you one better since you ask so nicely. OOH v.d pay attention son you gonna learn something.
Wlady-Brewster: you damn right the rematch, you know you anticipated this fight.
Toney-Peter: toney getting drop and getting beat but still running his mouth, gotta love toney.
Ruslan-Valuev: The real david and goliat upset of the year.
Mccline-Peter: dropping peter three times but peter comes back to win the decision.
Valuev-Mccline: gotta love giants knocking out another big men.
Golota-Mcbribe: more heavyweight knock outs
Moore-Boruff: Michael Moore knocking out undefeated boruff in one round.
Sultan-Briggs: gave a good scrap for 12 rounds, robotic briggs got his a** handed to him which I love.
Mesi-Miller: Perfect record Joe mesi is back, knocking out both of his past two openents in the first round, shannon miller isn't exactly up there but you gotta love heavyweight knock outs and tko more then flyweight tko and k.o's :P ;D
Juan Carlos Gomez-Oliver Mccall: Pantera Negra dominated, gotta watch out for this guy coming up the ranks.
Come on bilbo, even though you got v.d as your cheerleader, your not impressing nobody. We all know your not even a flyweight fan so, how in the world can you fool the judges or any othe people that the flyweight is a lot more exciting? Besides v.D theres nobody fooling for your little tricks. And your trying to make it seem your really winning with the help of v.d a guy that would do anything to see me lose.
The heavyweights are far more marketable then any flyweight, and thats the bottom line cause they are more exciting to watch. Nothing beats a good ol heavyweight knock out. Em I right judges? would we pay and take a trip to vegas for a flyweight fight? better yet anywhere in the world? Majority of boxing fans will not spend on flyweight events, the money is just not there, the interest the fans the general public do not talk about flyweights. They are just the undercard of bigger fights. Like I said earlier, most of us don't even come to a live fight early enough to see flyweight fights.
Your in check bilbo, what you gonna do now? hehe ;)
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are you calling this a round too? you gotta be kidding me? hahahah
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Bilbo's post Round 10
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Let's have a look at the action in this fight. Rain is down but still fighting! :o
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When is somebody going to call this off?
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Is the fight over? Shall I give my decision?
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Is the fight over? Shall I give my decision?
Yes
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Bilbo wins,115-113 on my card. His points were more convincing and with each new post,he introduced new ideas,new theories as to why Flyweights are more exciting than HW. Julius made some valid points with regards to the size of the HW and that they are historically recognised as being the best division but nonetheless,Bilbo used excellent points here and now. What was also excellent was the 10 fights list. Bilbos list had more exciting fights in it.
I'd also like to think that Bilbo has learnt to appreciate the flyweights more. Julie had his moments but Bilbo had the better overall argument. Bilbo wins for me,good fight though.
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This fight was slaughter. Rains round 6 post was one of the most embarrassing things I've ever read. He called Sultan-Briggs a good scrap. LOL.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Bilbo wins,115-113 on my card. His points were more convincing and with each new post,he introduced new ideas,new theories as to why Flyweights are more exciting than HW. Julius made some valid points with regards to the size of the HW and that they are historically recognised as being the best division but nonetheless,Bilbo used excellent points here and now. What was also excellent was the 10 fights list. Bilbos list had more exciting fights in it.
I'd also like to think that Bilbo has learnt to appreciate the flyweights more. Julie had his moments but Bilbo had the better overall argument. Bilbo wins for me,good fight though.
Whilst I'm happy to have one won I do have to say the judging was atrocious!
Firstly Julius was pulled out of the fight in the 10th round so how the hell could you score it 115-113? ???
Secondly that the heavyweights are historically recognised as being the best division has NOTHING to do with the debate in question 'Which is CURRENTLY the most EXCITING division the heavyweights or flyweights.
Thirdly PLEASE show me which rounds of the 9 we completed that Julius won and why?
On my card I won every round, most of them by 10-8
???
Please Hitmandonny we need to have this judge investigated, and brought before a panel to explain how he could have scored a single round in favour of Julius Rain :P
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Bilbo wins,115-113 on my card. His points were more convincing and with each new post,he introduced new ideas,new theories as to why Flyweights are more exciting than HW. Julius made some valid points with regards to the size of the HW and that they are historically recognised as being the best division but nonetheless,Bilbo used excellent points here and now. What was also excellent was the 10 fights list. Bilbos list had more exciting fights in it.
I'd also like to think that Bilbo has learnt to appreciate the flyweights more. Julie had his moments but Bilbo had the better overall argument. Bilbo wins for me,good fight though.
Whilst I'm happy to have one won I do have to say the judging was atrocious!
Firstly Julius was pulled out of the fight in the 10th round so how the hell could you score it 115-113? ???
Secondly that the heavyweights are
historically recognised as being the best division has NOTHING to do with the debate in question 'Which is CURRENTLY the most EXCITING division the heavyweights or flyweights.
Thirdly PLEASE show me which rounds of the 9 we completed that Julius won and why?
On my card I won every round, most of them by 10-8
???
Please Hitmandonny we need to have this judge investigated, and brought before a panel to explain how he could have scored a single round in favour of Julius Rain :P
Quit while you're ahead Bilbo :)
I take it you want to relinquish the Flyweight title and seize hold of the heavyweight???
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Bilbo wins,115-113 on my card. His points were more convincing and with each new post,he introduced new ideas,new theories as to why Flyweights are more exciting than HW. Julius made some valid points with regards to the size of the HW and that they are historically recognised as being the best division but nonetheless,Bilbo used excellent points here and now. What was also excellent was the 10 fights list. Bilbos list had more exciting fights in it.
I'd also like to think that Bilbo has learnt to appreciate the flyweights more. Julie had his moments but Bilbo had the better overall argument. Bilbo wins for me,good fight though.
Whilst I'm happy to have one won I do have to say the judging was atrocious!
Firstly Julius was pulled out of the fight in the 10th round so how the hell could you score it 115-113? ???
Secondly that the heavyweights are
historically recognised as being the best division has NOTHING to do with the debate in question 'Which is CURRENTLY the most EXCITING division the heavyweights or flyweights.
Thirdly PLEASE show me which rounds of the 9 we completed that Julius won and why?
On my card I won every round, most of them by 10-8
???
Please Hitmandonny we need to have this judge investigated, and brought before a panel to explain how he could have scored a single round in favour of Julius Rain :P
Quit while you're ahead Bilbo :)
I take it you want to relinquish the Flyweight title and seize hold of the heavyweight???
Nah mate, until and unless that judging decision is explained to me I'm going to relinquish both belts and join Violent Demise in the Saddo Boxing Hall of Fame.
I'm far to skilled an orator to have my talents overlooked in that way. :soapbox:
Fair enough Gamo had me winning but to imply it was close at all let alone a razor thin victory like that is just mind boggling.
I doubt he read all the posts :-\
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Bilbo wins,115-113 on my card. His points were more convincing and with each new post,he introduced new ideas,new theories as to why Flyweights are more exciting than HW. Julius made some valid points with regards to the size of the HW and that they are historically recognised as being the best division but nonetheless,Bilbo used excellent points here and now. What was also excellent was the 10 fights list. Bilbos list had more exciting fights in it.
I'd also like to think that Bilbo has learnt to appreciate the flyweights more. Julie had his moments but Bilbo had the better overall argument. Bilbo wins for me,good fight though.
Whilst I'm happy to have one won I do have to say the judging was atrocious!
Firstly Julius was pulled out of the fight in the 10th round so how the hell could you score it 115-113? ???
Secondly that the heavyweights are
historically recognised as being the best division has NOTHING to do with the debate in question 'Which is CURRENTLY the most EXCITING division the heavyweights or flyweights.
Thirdly PLEASE show me which rounds of the 9 we completed that Julius won and why?
On my card I won every round, most of them by 10-8
???
Please Hitmandonny we need to have this judge investigated, and brought before a panel to explain how he could have scored a single round in favour of Julius Rain :P
Quit while you're ahead Bilbo :)
I take it you want to relinquish the Flyweight title and seize hold of the heavyweight???
Nah mate, until and unless that judging decision is explained to me I'm going to relinquish both belts and join Violent Demise in the Saddo Boxing Hall of Fame.
I'm far to skilled a debator to have my talents overlooked in that way.
Fair enough Gamo had me winning but to employ it was close at all let alone a razor thin victory like that is just mind boggling.
I doubt he read all the posts :-\
Have you considered that certain posters may have been acting in order to spare the feelings of certain other posters in an attempt to avoid offence???
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Bilbo wins,115-113 on my card. His points were more convincing and with each new post,he introduced new ideas,new theories as to why Flyweights are more exciting than HW. Julius made some valid points with regards to the size of the HW and that they are historically recognised as being the best division but nonetheless,Bilbo used excellent points here and now. What was also excellent was the 10 fights list. Bilbos list had more exciting fights in it.
I'd also like to think that Bilbo has learnt to appreciate the flyweights more. Julie had his moments but Bilbo had the better overall argument. Bilbo wins for me,good fight though.
Whilst I'm happy to have one won I do have to say the judging was atrocious!
Firstly Julius was pulled out of the fight in the 10th round so how the hell could you score it 115-113? ???
Secondly that the heavyweights are
historically recognised as being the best division has NOTHING to do with the debate in question 'Which is CURRENTLY the most EXCITING division the heavyweights or flyweights.
Thirdly PLEASE show me which rounds of the 9 we completed that Julius won and why?
On my card I won every round, most of them by 10-8
???
Please Hitmandonny we need to have this judge investigated, and brought before a panel to explain how he could have scored a single round in favour of Julius Rain :P
Quit while you're ahead Bilbo :)
I take it you want to relinquish the Flyweight title and seize hold of the heavyweight???
Nah mate, until and unless that judging decision is explained to me I'm going to relinquish both belts and join Violent Demise in the Saddo Boxing Hall of Fame.
I'm far to skilled a debator to have my talents overlooked in that way.
Fair enough Gamo had me winning but to employ it was close at all let alone a razor thin victory like that is just mind boggling.
I doubt he read all the posts :-\
Have you considered that certain posters may have been acting in order to spare the feelings of certain other posters in an attempt to avoid offence???
In that case just say I won, don't give a crappy 115-113 scorecard as if Julius is almost my intellectual equal :oooh:
VD said it best it was a slaughter plain and simple. This little hobbit packs a mean punch and his talents should get rewarded :thankyouthankyou:
Meanwhile Julius doesn't go away empty handed......................
He's won this nice hat :pointlol: :dunce:
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Ok so everybodies happy? :-\
Pleas god let everyone be happy!!!
Bilbo mate, i am shattered after the weekend!!!!
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Ok so everybodies happy? :-\
Pleas god let everyone be happy!!!
Bilbo mate, i am shattered after the weekend!!!!
I'm happy mate but for future fights I want round by round judging by the refs.
Currently the decisions don't make any sense. It's all well and good saying don't hurt anyones feeling but at the end of the day I put a lot of effort into constructing my posts and I want some appreciation. :kissing:
Julius doesn't need to feel embarrassed he lost to the most articulate, eloquent but humble and modest little hobbit on the forum. :laugh:
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But I'm in a happy mood. :coolclick: all around
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CC returned.
My aim is to eliminate intereference from the judges tho.
I want to avoid the situation where judges interefere with the debates and cause the thread to become crowded with irrelevant posts. In addition it will cause much added time if we wait for a post from all 3 judges before initiating the next round...
I'm all for it. But i want the fights to be quick and clean aswell so we'll have to work out the mechanics.
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CC returned.
My aim is to eliminate intereference from the judges tho.
I want to avoid the situation where judges interefere with the debates and cause the thread to become crowded with irrelevant posts. In addition it will cause much added time if we wait for a post from all 3 judges before initiating the next round...
I'm all for it. But i want the fights to be quick and clean aswell so we'll have to work out the mechanics.
Yeah I understand. I guess this hobbit may yet come out of retirement if a big enough fight comes along, as long as Dick Flaherty El Gamo is not one of the judges ;D
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CC returned.
My aim is to eliminate intereference from the judges tho.
I want to avoid the situation where judges interefere with the debates and cause the thread to become crowded with irrelevant posts. In addition it will cause much added time if we wait for a post from all 3 judges before initiating the next round...
I'm all for it. But i want the fights to be quick and clean aswell so we'll have to work out the mechanics.
Yeah I understand. I guess this hobbit may yet come out of retirement if a big enough fight comes along, as long as Dick Flaherty El Gamo is not one of the judges ;D
HaHa. Didn't u specifically request Gamo and all?
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CC returned.
My aim is to eliminate intereference from the judges tho.
I want to avoid the situation where judges interefere with the debates and cause the thread to become crowded with irrelevant posts. In addition it will cause much added time if we wait for a post from all 3 judges before initiating the next round...
I'm all for it. But i want the fights to be quick and clean aswell so we'll have to work out the mechanics.
Yeah I understand. I guess this hobbit may yet come out of retirement if a big enough fight comes along, as long as Dick Flaherty El Gamo is not one of the judges ;D
HaHa. Didn't u specifically request Gamo and all?
I thought with his love of the flyweights he'd be positively wanking over my posts. Instead I expect he was too busy wanking over his downloaded video of Daiko vs Kameda to even read them :-\
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Ah...a win is a win.
I applaud you Bilbo. For a hobbit of your size to grasp the heavyweight championship demonstrates true skill and bravery.
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Ah...a win is a win.
I applaud you Bilbo. For a hobbit of your size to grasp the heavyweight championship demonstrates true skill and bravery.
Can I keep both title please, PLEASE?
I could then make an historic run in trying to be the only hobbit to hold all the titles in every division!
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Ah...a win is a win.
I applaud you Bilbo. For a hobbit of your size to grasp the heavyweight championship demonstrates true skill and bravery.
Can I keep both title please, PLEASE?
I could then make an historic run in trying to be the only hobbit to hold all the titles in every division!
I think he should be allowed to keep both titles and make history and I'm willing to be a permanent judge! 8)
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Bilbo wins,115-113 on my card. His points were more convincing and with each new post,he introduced new ideas,new theories as to why Flyweights are more exciting than HW. Julius made some valid points with regards to the size of the HW and that they are historically recognised as being the best division but nonetheless,Bilbo used excellent points here and now. What was also excellent was the 10 fights list. Bilbos list had more exciting fights in it.
I'd also like to think that Bilbo has learnt to appreciate the flyweights more. Julie had his moments but Bilbo had the better overall argument. Bilbo wins for me,good fight though.
Whilst I'm happy to have one won I do have to say the judging was atrocious!
Firstly Julius was pulled out of the fight in the 10th round so how the hell could you score it 115-113? ???
Secondly that the heavyweights are
historically recognised as being the best division has NOTHING to do with the debate in question 'Which is CURRENTLY the most EXCITING division the heavyweights or flyweights.
Thirdly PLEASE show me which rounds of the 9 we completed that Julius won and why?
On my card I won every round, most of them by 10-8
???
Please Hitmandonny we need to have this judge investigated, and brought before a panel to explain how he could have scored a single round in favour of Julius Rain :P
Quit while you're ahead Bilbo :)
I take it you want to relinquish the Flyweight title and seize hold of the heavyweight???
Nah mate, until and unless that judging decision is explained to me I'm going to relinquish both belts and join Violent Demise in the Saddo Boxing Hall of Fame.
I'm far to skilled a debator to have my talents overlooked in that way.
Fair enough Gamo had me winning but to employ it was close at all let alone a razor thin victory like that is just mind boggling.
I doubt he read all the posts :-\
H
ave you considered that certain posters may have been acting in order to spare the feelings of certain other posters in an attempt to avoid offence???
We are the same wavelength bro
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Well as long as the judging is fair I will of course continue to fight on.
And like Gamo says I really deserve to be a two division champ 8)
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Yup,he does deserve 2 titles. CC back guys,was fun. When's the next fight?
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Wella Gamo, as Bilbo said, ur well known for ur knowledge on the little guys i thought maybe ud like to seize the Flyweight title???
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Wella Gamo, as Bilbo said, ur well known for ur knowledge on the little guys i thought maybe ud like to seize the Flyweight title???
I thought I was the reigning flyweight champ when I entered the ring?
If I have to choose I'll keep my flyweight title, if Ivan Calderon moved up to heavy and knocked out Nikolay Valuev it would be the greatest thing ever if he handed him back the belt and said 'You keep it sunshine' I'm going back to flyweight where the competition is 8)
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wow its over just cause gamo said so? this turned out to be a waste of time. this is just playing favorites, what a bullshyt organization.
NObody can explain anything but say bilbo won cause they feel like it.
this is totall bullshyt.
bilbo we're buddies again and you know i respect you but this was no slaughter. I can't believe you allow a devil like v.d side with you. Gamo prolly didn't even read everything. we had one judge and just cause he favors bilbo this whole time, he gives the win to bilbo. with no valid explanation, and hitmandonny what a dissapointment this little mmwc you created is. The other judges didn't even showed up, you allowed v.d to be ringside influencing things and we all know that walmart boy and I have beef, cause I don't respect him at all.
what a waste of time and effort, you guys totally ganged up on me. MMWC should just be called lets play favorite, its obvious bilbo is the favorite. OUt of all of you guys his still my favorite too, but this really was bullshyt.
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Well Julius i'm sorry you feel that way. You were a guy i thought was really promoting this thing well on saddo's with all your promotion and hype. I canunderstand that you feel dissappointed, but this is difficult to look after solo, i will be asking a couple to help me in the next day or so. I need to find somebody appropriate.
However Julius i feel the blame cannot entirely be placed upon me or indeed Gamo. You were asked to put forward a name for your judge. You never supplied us with that information.
The MMWC has had two controversial threads, lets not argue or pick each other apart. By all means, put urself forward for Vice president, give me suggestions on how to improve this organistaion.....No sense being negative.
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wow its over just cause gamo said so? this turned out to be a waste of time. this is just playing favorites, what a bullshyt organization.
NObody can explain anything but say bilbo won cause they feel like it.
this is totall bullshyt.
bilbo we're buddies again and you know i respect you but this was no slaughter. I can't believe you allow a devil like v.d side with you. Gamo prolly didn't even read everything. we had one judge and just cause he favors bilbo this whole time, he gives the win to bilbo. with no valid explanation, and hitmandonny what a dissapointment this little mmwc you created is. The other judges didn't even showed up, you allowed v.d to be ringside influencing things and we all know that walmart boy and I have beef, cause I don't respect him at all.
what a waste of time and effort, you guys totally ganged up on me. MMWC should just be called lets play favorite, its obvious bilbo is the favorite. OUt of all of you guys his still my favorite too, but this really was bullshyt.
Come on buddy I like you and all but honestly you thought you won this?
When you get reduced to naming Joe Mesi's 1 round win over the world's 243rd rated heavyweight as one of your divisions most exciting fights of the year you really have lost any credibility you may have had.
And Nikolay Valuev's win over Jameel McCline? ??? Did you even watch that fight :o
McCline had to pull out in the 3rd due to a knee injury! How was that exciting.
And without being unkind to you your other posts were just as bad. You can kid yourself that you won this debate but in all honesty, the only round that you could conceivably have won was the round where all I did was laugh.
But to be fair following on from your previous post what else was I supposed to do?
Don't feel sad though, it's all a learning curve and future challengers will do well to read your postings to see what are the biggest blunders that should be avoided.
In any future 'What not to say in a debate' guides your posts will be the gold standard. :)
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
wow its over just cause gamo said so? this turned out to be a waste of time. this is just playing favorites, what a bullshyt organization.
NObody can explain anything but say bilbo won cause they feel like it.
this is totall bullshyt.
bilbo we're buddies again and you know i respect you but this was no slaughter. I can't believe you allow a devil like v.d side with you. Gamo prolly didn't even read everything. we had one judge and just cause he favors bilbo this whole time, he gives the win to bilbo. with no valid explanation, and hitmandonny what a dissapointment this little mmwc you created is. The other judges didn't even showed up, you allowed v.d to be ringside influencing things and we all know that walmart boy and I have beef, cause I don't respect him at all.
what a waste of time and effort, you guys totally ganged up on me. MMWC should just be called lets play favorite, its obvious bilbo is the favorite. OUt of all of you guys his still my favorite too, but this really was bullshyt.
We got beef? Don't make me laugh. Like I'm a beef with a chump who still gets an allowance from his mom. I always knew you were a joke. I just didn't think you were a sore loser as well. Looks like you are. You got straight smashed. And your not even man enough to admit it.
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Yo Julius you silly billy! I'm sick of your silly posts. It wasn't over because I said so,I was told it was over and was told to give my verdict. Read the fucking thread. Gamo didn't read anything,I've probably read this thread more times than you have you!
And before anyone >:madasks,I was nice to Julie,Bilbo trashed him,whooped his ass,read the threads. I went out of my way to make it seem like a close affair,out of respect for Julius(and yes I do respect him!) and the idiot ingrate turns around and throws it back in my face.
No-one even ganged up on you,VD doesn't even like Bilbo! You lost fair and square and you're whining and blaming others. If anyone is reading this and offended,I'm sorry,this is the first and last such tirade,never in my time at Saddos' have I ever had to resort to such a thing. I defend this guy,try to make him feel better and look at his reaction. >:mad
(Sorry for the sudden outbreak,women do funny things to a man,I didn't mean to resort to the usage of such foul language ;D My original points still stand,Julius,I relly find you annoying but I should not have used such foul langauge,sorry) O0
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Yo Julius F*** off you F****** a** wipe. I'm sick to death of your dumb F****** a** posts.F****** Boxrec warrior. It wasn't over because I said so,I was told it was over and was told to give my verdict. Read the F****** thread. Gamo didn't read anything,I've probably read this thread more times than you have you F****** prick.
And before anyone >:madasks,I was nice to this prick,Bilbo trashed him,whooped his a**,read the threads. I went out of my way to make it seem like a close affair,out of respect for Julius and the cocksucker ingrate turns around and spits in my face.
No-one even ganged up on you,VD doesn't even like Bilbo! You lost fair and square and you're whining and blaming others. If anyone is reading this and offended,I'm sorry,this is the first and last such tirade,never in my time at Saddos' have I ever had to resort to such a thing. I defend this guy,try to make him feel better and look at his reaction. >:mad
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EL GAMO BLEW HIS TOP! :bomb: :furious2:
Didn't know you had so much anger brewing just under the surface buddy.
It's a wonderful thing how this tournament has brought us all closer together ::** :D
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Yo Julius fuck off you fucking ass wipe. I'm sick to death of your dumb fucking ass posts.Fucking Boxrec warrior. It wasn't over because I said so,I was told it was over and was told to give my verdict. Read the fucking thread. Gamo didn't read anything,I've probably read this thread more times than you have you fucking prick.
And before anyone >:madasks,I was nice to this prick,Bilbo trashed him,whooped his ass,read the threads. I went out of my way to make it seem like a close affair,out of respect for Julius and the cocksucker ingrate turns around and spits in my face.
No-one even ganged up on you,VD doesn't even like Bilbo! You lost fair and square and you're whining and blaming others. If anyone is reading this and offended,I'm sorry,this is the first and last such tirade,never in my time at Saddos' have I ever had to resort to such a thing. I defend this guy,try to make him feel better and look at his reaction. >:mad
wow el gago, see if guys like me or v.d would blow up on someone like this we'll get banned immediately. But look in the mirror el gamo see whos really the cock sucker.
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Re: Debate for the MMWC Heavy/Flyweight Titles.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
wow its over just cause gamo said so? this turned out to be a waste of time. this is just playing favorites, what a bullshyt organization.
NObody can explain anything but say bilbo won cause they feel like it.
this is totall bullshyt.
bilbo we're buddies again and you know i respect you but this was no slaughter. I can't believe you allow a devil like v.d side with you. Gamo prolly didn't even read everything. we had one judge and just cause he favors bilbo this whole time, he gives the win to bilbo. with no valid explanation, and hitmandonny what a dissapointment this little mmwc you created is. The other judges didn't even showed up, you allowed v.d to be ringside influencing things and we all know that walmart boy and I have beef, cause I don't respect him at all.
what a waste of time and effort, you guys totally ganged up on me. MMWC should just be called lets play favorite, its obvious bilbo is the favorite. OUt of all of you guys his still my favorite too, but this really was bullshyt.
We got beef? Don't make me laugh. Like I'm a beef with a chump who still gets an allowance from his mom. I always knew you were a joke. I just didn't think you were a sore loser as well. Looks like you are. You got straight smashed. And your not even man enough to admit it.
shut that up man, u was on my back the whole time chearleading for bilbo. the top ten list did get me of but bilbo didn't do much better he name guys that weren't even all flyweights. You guys only saw my mistakes and didnt pay attention to him. how can you call it getting smash? from the get go, you had your pong pong and skirt with thong chearing b.i.l.b.o......b.i.l.b.o and bilbo was his name ohh.
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Re: Debate for the MMWC Heavy/Flyweight Titles.
Come on guys can't we all just get along? :-*
It was an honour and a pleasure for Julius to be my first opponent.
He did well and his top 10 list of exciting heavyweight fights of the year trumped any comedic post that I could ever have written.
So I won the debate but Julius proved himself the funnier man and so I respect him for that. 8)
