charles " the hatchet " brewer always entertained , i still remember that fight he had with Antwun Echols 6 years back, might have been the most entertaining match i ever seen.. both men down . haglar / hearns type excitiment . great match..
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charles " the hatchet " brewer always entertained , i still remember that fight he had with Antwun Echols 6 years back, might have been the most entertaining match i ever seen.. both men down . haglar / hearns type excitiment . great match..
Ohhh Good point.The "surgeon" owned Chavez In 1st fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Just my Opinion of course. :box3:
Randall was a roller coaster of fame and misfortune.His demons were many but IMO...He had Chavez's #.That borderline no-mas and hold up in 2nd fight was pure Crap.
Its called multi-tasking getting 2 replies in one post....or are you easily confused?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
Micheal Nunn needs a little mention, seems like I never hear anyone talking about him. He did lose in his biggest fights but he had alot of quality wins. The guy fought pro for almost 20 years thats pretty crazy. Some guys he beat:Sumbu Kalambay ko1, he knocked out Roldan, that guy had a granite chin. Marlon Sterling , Iran Barkley, Donald Curry ko10, Merqui Sosa, John Scully, retired 58-4 37ko's. Not too shabby.
Thanks Gamo.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Shit! where to start.... OK... I hope you have time to read. ;D
'The Matchstick Man' Owen.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I've never seen a full Owen fight I've only seen highlights and short clips of his fights. (I have 1 of his fights but have never seen it I'll explain why)
In 1980 Owen moved through the rankings of the WBC and got a shot at Lupe Pintor and his WBC Bantamweight title. They met out here in Los Angeles at the Olympic Auditorium where the heavyly Mexican popoluated city filled up the seats. Owen looked nothing like a boxer if you run a search on him and you block out the gloves and trunks I sware you'll tell yourself 'this is not someone who fights for a living' I mean Owen was skinny, hardly any muscle and he had big ears but he had an even bigger heart. What I'm gonna describe next is the fight and I have the fight but have never seen it so what I'll be typing comes from short clips of the fight and or articles and documentary.
Owen was booed all the way to the ring, while Lupe was cheered. Owen quickly shut some mouths up pretty damn fast when he began to box cause this big eared skinny guy was actually wining rounds and making Lupe look bad. When they got to the mid-late rounds Lupe had already warmed up and was landing more comfortably. He began to win rounds more convincingly and began to land harder punches. I believe in the 11th round Lupe lands a crushing blow that cut's open Owen lip and blood quickly begins to flow. When the round was over Owen somewhat hurt walks to his corner for the rest period. Owens father who was his corner quickly began to work on the cut and at some point the question of 'Stoping this fight?' came up Owen said he was OK and that he wanted to continue. The bell sounds and he comes out for the 12 rd. in the 12 Lupe drops Owen with a right hook for an 8 count Owen looked beat by now the start the action and Owen comes right in to fight Lupe hooks him several times with the left and then what happened has been described by many as something really hard to see. Lupe throws a devastating right hand that drops Owen to the canvas viciously. I've read several people talk about the punch and like me many people say they just can't see it. It's too hard to watch. Owen remained on the canvas for several minutes and had to be taken out in a stretcher. He underwent surgery to remove a blood clot. Sadly Owen died about 2 months later. May he R.I.P.
I've seen a documentary on the aftermath of this match years later Owen father & Pintor met and it was all recorded. Also a statue was revealed in Owens hometown. Guess who unvailed the statue? None other then Lupe himself by wishes of Owens father. What a great guy Lupe is and Owens father to be able to meet and talk to Lupe both great guys and as LG mentioned (I think his post was deleted in the server change) the documentary really brings a tear or two to your eyes.
I had the opp. to meet 'Yaqui' at the hall of fame.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Well despite never wining a title this guy fought the best opp. available to him ST Gordon, Conteh, Saad, De Leon, Spinks, Galindez. You name it all the best LH of his time. Yes he fell short but he gave some of the most entertaining fights. Loads of heart and I know you have Lopez vs. Muhammad FOTY 1980 check your list of fights. Yaqui Lopez or Alvaro Lopez it was FOTY 1980. I know you have it if you don't you know what to do. :)
Fritzie happens to be the fighter whos become champion and holds the most ever loses by a champion with 65 & only 4 by KO. His final record 157-65-10 with 81 KO's. You wanna talk about a fighter earning a living well heres a prime example. He fought 3, 4 times a month sometimes wining and loosing fights never worried about the loses just moved forward knowing he could always comeback and hopefully win big the next time around. He actually beat Burley early in Burleys career by SD. After years as a pro his big break came when he fought Henry Armstrong and won the Welterweight title. He was a tough and always gave it his all.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Luisito was a philipino fighter in the 80s/90's and 00s. His big break came when he beat Khaokor (Khaosai twin bro.) he hooked his way into history by upsetting Kahokor with a hook. He fought 'La Cobrita' Gonzalez another less mentioned fighter but Luisito lost by TKO. He then made a comeback in 1995 when he beat 'Jibaro' Perez, Perez had been Super Bantam champ but had been off for about a year inspite that the win was a good one and he began a streak he then beat 'Matecas' Medina for the WBC Feather title, he avenged his TKO loss to 'La Cobrita' by TKOing him back. He made 7 title defenses he then lost to fighters like Espadas Jr., Augie Sanchez & Zahir Raheem.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I don't know a whole lot on Sixto but I do know that he was Puerto Ricos 1st World Champion and was pretty solid when he beat the then man to be Salica.
'Alcran' Torres was rugged mutha clucker!!! :) hard to the bone he took on big names from early on in his career. He had a superb trilogy with Chionoi when he captured a world title.
I like all the fights that happened between:Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Marlon Starling
Donald Curry
Johnny Bumphus
Lloyd Honeyghan
Simon Brown
Mark Breland
Michael Nunn
Maurice Blocker
I feel like an over-reactive arse.........but Nunn's display against Iran Barkley was an exercise in pure existince.It Made Delahoya in Late rounds vs.Tito look more like Edwin Rosario vs.Juan meza comparedQuote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
KO of Kalambay was Awesome! Good skills and always had that Smirk.Only second to Toneys Left Hook ;D
nice add on , no contest . nunn was very good fighter. speaking of merqui sosa listed there. remember his matches with prince charles williams? wow those were brutally exciting :oQuote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Sandy Saddler For beating Willie Pep 3 out of 4 times Mostly for knocking him out in the 4 round the first time they fought. Then making him retire the other
2 he was somthing in those fights and also was a 3 time featherweight champion and also a Juniorlightweight champion. Also Never stopped in 162 fights is pretty good to record of 144 wins and 103 kos 2 draws and 16 loses is pretty good as well. I do not really hear about him much but he was a great fighter.
Micheal Spinks people i think forget how good he was because all they can remembered is the Tyson fight. But a LH he had 11 deffences was 26 wins 19 kos and no loses and beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Oscar Rivadeneyra and Jim MacDonald which are pretty good wins.
O yea and have a CC Cut me i have learned alot about boxing in this thread was a great idea on your part.
I think the reason why fighters like Sandler, Pep, Locche, Henry and all those fighters are less talked about and or mentioned is because of the rariety of footage of their fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Not because they weren't good fighters.
I know i just got some footage of Sandy Saddler and thought i bring him up on the thread sounded like a good idea.
Heres CC#53 on me and I so you know I joined all your posts into 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I noticed you reply 3 or 4 times in about minutes time.
So you know theres a button you can click on to Modify/Edit your posts and add or remove things from your posts.
It would be best if and when you wanted to add something else to your post just go back to the thread and look for your post and click 'Modify' to add whatever it is that you'd like to add. If you need more help on this let me know.
Peace,
Mick
P.S. I'm a neat freak so don't take this personal. (You can ask MagicMan or El Gamo for further evidence look at the 'Prospects thread' :-\ )
This is like being back in Highschool.After All...seeing is believing.
I'll just go sit in the corner...... :bag:
wish I were Faster.
Really good call on this one heres CC#62 on me....Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Esteban argueably in the top 20 PR fighters of all time.
Sad how his life ended but he was still a great fighter. I remember watching the second Duran fight and seeing Duran hit the canvas in round 1 I sware I almost shit my pants... :o
Duran in true fashion bounces back in the round. 'Kid Pambele' just gave him a boxing lesson I think if De Jesus won 3 rounds that's being nice to him. But he never gave up and fought the whole way through.
His career catches a second wind and he captures the WBC title from Guts (Another guy I listed in this thread) he made 3 defenses and then met Duran for the 3rd time again giving Duran all he could handle but falling short again.
I just remembered Aaron Davis & Meldrick Taylor also tango'd with some of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Damn! now I'm gonna have to go thru my videos and dig up some of those fights.
I saw that fight with Pintor Vs Owen on Faces of Death. That was hard to watch he crumbled and it seemed like he died in the ring. I saw this a long time ago, and remember thinking how in the hell is this skinny lil guy even allowed in the ring. I guess he was a decent little fighter ,but he looked real fragile to me....I must admit I've never seen any other fights of his.
I just can't see it mate... I can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Things like that just ain't my thing I know it's something that may happen in the ring but I tend to not think about that.
Well I've never seen a Owen fight either but I know theres quite a few highlight videos flowing around.
I just had my friend check this link. He says the right hand is show here...
*WARNING*BE WARE*WARNING*BEWARE*WARNING*
The following video contains a pretty disturbing image, watch with caution.
"The Matchstick Man" - Clip of documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZgi7ucgbLA
cutmemick.. have you seen the documentary where mr owens ( the father) goes to mexico to meet with lupe pintor decades after the match ? :o wow that was a touching story.. a must watch
Yes I've seen it about a year ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasmanian Devil
The clip I posted is from that documentary.
Mick you will know the answer to this better than anyone i think, how on earth did Rafael Herrera get two wins against a prime Ruben Olivares? Herrera must be underrated because if he beat Olivares twice then he must have been pretty good?
Well I watched it, because I'm sick I guess, but he looked shaken after the first knockdown in the 12th and didnt focus the ref didnt really look in his eyes. But hey it was the 12th, and by accounts a close fight. Give Johnnie credit he got up in that condition and was a warrior to the end he nodded to the ref on continueing. The last 3 shots were all to the temples that was too much for poor Johnnie. RIP Its not as graphic as the Faces of Death footage if I remember they showed the after effects with him being taken to the hospital. That is a brutal ass film, and I was about 11 or 12 watching that...where were my parents you say? Next to me watching...
Herreras a legend here in L.A. ThirdMan....Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
How he beat Olivares is beyong anyone, it's just one of things. I mean many stories flow in the air but the credibility of them is not good.
I've heared/read from Olivares taking a dive, to Olivares was hitting the bottle.
I think the turning point for Herrera was when he lost by TKO to Chucho in 3. I say this because I've read that in those 3 rounds he showed loads of heart and determination. After that TKO loss, he went on a wining streak getting himself a shot at the NABF title when he beat the undefeated Martinez this springed a trilogy where Herrera took 2 of the 3. He also avenged his loss to Chucho. And then he TKO's Olivares in 8, Olivares fought well throught the whole fight but Herrera just had something up his sleeve on that night. The rematch was really close I know the newspapers here had it scored for Olivares. Herrera fought well early on but Olivares closed out the show by wining the late rounds....
Herreras reign was short but sweet, by any means not an all time great but he had the skill to pull off a few big wins.
Ike Williams
Ike is one of the more forgotten fighters in boxing history. He got entangled in an ugly match-fixing scandal at the end of his career that pretty much dropped him off the radar but he was very much part of that and even the leader of that GREAT lightweight scene in the 40's.
His bouts with Beau Jack are awesome. Williams was a crazy fighter. Very skillful but he swung wild and would always get caught solid and then come back.
Props for having him up there.
Oh! shit! it's my bwoy! amat.... 8) CC#919Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Funny you come into this thread and read it and post on the fighter that always reminds me of good 'ol amat... ;D For some reason when I see read Ikes name I always remember the things you've said about him....
Damn! I haven't seen your name logged in for a while now. Hope all is well with 'ya.
About Ike, well you know more on him then me so thanks for taking the time to comment.
Thanks for the info, i have always been a big Olivares fan and couldn't understand how he lost to Herrera.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I also think Jesus Pimental was underated at the time considering the tough competition back then. He had a great fight with Olivares.
guys like sixto escobar definitely desreve more exposure
When ever people talk about great puertorrican fighters you will most often here three names. Wilfredo Gomez, Wilfredo Benitez and now Felix Trinidad. Carlos Ortiz is rarelly mentioned and he is sertanly deserving of being mentioned among the other greats. He is defenately a top 5 Lightweight of all time.
Johny Tapia is amongst my favorite fighters. Like Tyson, he is often remembered for what he did outside the ring, but on his best days he was great to watch inside the ring.
Your welcome THIRD.... 'El Puas' is an all time great. He might not have been technically sound but he had loads of heart and could punch! oh my god could he punch... Jesus Pimentel I really haven't seen much of except in his fight vs. Olivares.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I think that all thos fighters who fought in the Olympic Auditorium circuit are vastly un appreciated fighters like Armando Muniz, Carlos Palomino, Lupe Pintor, Panama Al Brown, Bobby Chacon, Jimmy Carter to name a few.
I said this in another thread, I think what hurts the fighters here is the lack of video for the younger guys to see. I mean how many people really like to read? I know a few do but for the most part everyone want's footage and I think that's why the newer generations lack knowledge on fighters of the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw
Argueably #1 above Duran in the all time Lightweight.... I mean what a fighter he was and to have had the opp. to meet him was incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Heres my top 5 all time PR fighters:
1. Carlos Ortiz
2. Wilfredo Gomez
3. Felix Trinidad
4. Wilfred Benitez
Man this is an AWESOME thread,some realy knowledgeblae stuff here guys,greatly appreciated. CC's No Contest and my Boy Mick.
Oh shit,I think I've seen the Ike Williams-Beau Jack fights?! Nice one man,good to see you online.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat