The best fighters alltime in every weight class

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Been a while since i have seen a list i just want to hear who you think was the best in every divison.

HW Larry Holmes
CW Evander Holyfield
LHW Micheal Spinks
SMW Joe Calzaghe
MW Carlos Monzon
LMW Tommy Hearns
WW SRL
LWW JCC
LW Suger Shane Mosley
SFW JMM
FW Willie Pep
Be honest i do not follow to many people after feather weight

Not if you are right or wrong just in your thoughts not others who you think is the best. I expect alot of people to have different fighters then me because my list is a bit weird.

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Heavyweight = Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight = Evander Holyfield
Lightheavyweight = Ezzard Charles
Supermiddleweight = Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight = Carlos Monzon
Lightmiddleweight = Terry Norris
Welterweight = Sugar Ray Robinson
Lightwelterweight = Aaron Pryor
Lightweight = Roberto Duran
Superfeatherweight = Alexis Arguello
Featherweight = Willie Pep
Superbantamweight = Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight = Ruben Olivares
Superflyweight = Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight = Jimmy Wilde
Lightflyweight = Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight = Ricardo Lopez

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Been a while since i have seen a list i just want to hear who you think was the best in every divison.

HW Larry Holmes
CW Evander Holyfield
LHW Micheal Spinks
SMW Joe Calzaghe
MW Carlos Monzon
LMW Tommy Hearns
WW SRL
LWW JCC
LW Suger Shane Mosley
SFW JMM
FW Willie Pep
Be honest i do not follow to many people after feather weight

Not if you are right or wrong just in your thoughts not others who you think is the best. I expect alot of people to have different fighters then me because my list is a bit weird.

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Heavyweight = Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight = Evander Holyfield
Lightheavyweight = Ezzard Charles
Supermiddleweight = Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight = Carlos Monzon
Lightmiddleweight = Terry Norris
Welterweight = Sugar Ray Robinson
Lightwelterweight = Aaron Pryor
Lightweight = Roberto Duran
Superfeatherweight = Alexis Arguello
Featherweight = Willie Pep
Superbantamweight = Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight = Ruben Olivares
Superflyweight = Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight = Jimmy Wilde
Lightflyweight = Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight = Ricardo Lopez

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If i was basing it on skills then my list would look little different.

Heavyweight = Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight Evander Holyfield
Lightheavyweight = Ezzard Charles
SuperMiddleweight = Roy Jones Jr
Middleweight = Marvin Hagler
Lightmiddleweight = Mike McCallum
Welterweight = Sugar Ray Robinson
Jr Welterweight = Meldrick Taylor
Lightweight = Draw between Shane Mosley and Pernell Whitaker
Superfeatherweight = Floyd Mayweather Jr
Featherweight = Draw between Willie Pep and Salvador Sanchez
Superbantamweight = Erik Morales
Bantamweight = Ruben Olivares
Superflyweight = Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight = Jimmy Wilde
Lightflyweight = Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight = Ricardo Lopez

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran

Cut me Mick's list is accurate, Went through lots of chips and beer Saturday and Sunday afternoons and in the seventies there were no VCRs but I had three television sets just in case and I would sometimes watch two fights at the same time but your list is on the money. CC

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Thanks..
Heres CC#33 on me.
I sware I was born in the wrong era. I'm 25 I was born in 1981 but everything I like is from past eras. Music, women, fighters, cars. :(
I know someone screwed my B-Day up, I bet theres an old as man somewhere in a club trying to be 25 and playing loud rap music in his brand new car. ;D
John, good thing theres TiVo now you can just record it or the old school way is always best have several TVs going at the same time.
I haven't seen you in a long time I think the last time I saw you post was sometime in August.
Hope all is good with you and hope to see you around more often. A young kid like me could learn a lot from someone like you who lived thru moments I could only live by trying to find a video on :( or articles and books.
Thanks.

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Cutting age optical wear isn't from a by-gone era.

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

LMW JOHN MUGABI (up to boxing hagler he would have destroyed any other light middle)
FW FENECH
SBW FENECH

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3 very interesting choices.
Especially Jeff listed twice.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

My lists tend to change more times then often but for the most part it's always one of 2 names for a div. it's simply a matter of fighters you know or don't. I can't rate Greg, Benny or Langford cause I just haven't seen enough of them to rate them.
So here goes:
Norris

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Agree with just about all of this, but do you really think Norris was better than Hearns?

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'Terrible' Terry... Well SweetPea I guess I could have/should have specified that my list was also leaned towards the following (along with what I said above) skill, accomplishments, reign as champ & opposition.
To be more clear what leads me towards Norris was his loooong stay there while Hearns just kinda jumped in and out.

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield
Light-Heavyweight - Ezzard Charles
Super-Middleweight - Roy Jones Jr
Middleweight - Harry Greb
Jr. Middleweight - Thomas Hearns
Welterweight - Henry Armstrong
Jr. Welterweight - Aaron Pryor
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Jr. Lightweight - Alexis Arguello
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Jr. Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight = Carlos Zarate
Jr. Bantamweight - Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde
Jr. Flyweight - Michael Carbajal
Strawweight - Ricardo Lopez

My list has a lot of the usual suspects as others...

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Originally Posted by Galaxy.

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield
Light-Heavyweight - Ezzard Charles
Super-Middleweight - Roy Jones Jr
Middleweight - Harry Greb
Jr. Middleweight - Thomas Hearns
Welterweight - Henry Armstrong
Jr. Welterweight - Aaron Pryor
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Jr. Lightweight - Alexis Arguello
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Jr. Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight = Carlos Zarate
Jr. Bantamweight - Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde
Jr. Flyweight - Michael Carbajal
Strawweight - Ricardo Lopez

My list has a lot of the usual suspects as others...

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Your list is almost the same as mine seems like we have the same taste.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Galaxy.

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield
Light-Heavyweight - Ezzard Charles
Super-Middleweight - Roy Jones Jr
Middleweight - Harry Greb
Jr. Middleweight - Thomas Hearns
Welterweight - Henry Armstrong
Jr. Welterweight - Aaron Pryor
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Jr. Lightweight - Alexis Arguello
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Jr. Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight = Carlos Zarate
Jr. Bantamweight - Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde
Jr. Flyweight - Michael Carbajal
Strawweight - Ricardo Lopez

My list has a lot of the usual suspects as others...

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Your list is almost the same as mine seems like we have the same taste.

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Yeah pretty close brother, a lot of the stuff you post I tend to agree with

Harry Greb i have not seen much but for me it hard to not pick Monzon he was something at MW Hagler right at his tail.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Harry Greb i have not seen much but for me it hard to not pick Monzon he was something at MW Hagler right at his tail.

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I think it's safe to say that not alot of people here have seen much of Greb, Langford, Wilde among others.
Again it all depends on how you are coming up with your list and what your looking for.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Heavyweight = Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight = Evander Holyfield
Lightheavyweight = Ezzard Charles
Supermiddleweight = Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight = Carlos Monzon
Lightmiddleweight = Terry Norris
Welterweight = Sugar Ray Robinson
Lightwelterweight = Aaron Pryor
Lightweight = Roberto Duran
Superfeatherweight = Alexis Arguello
Featherweight = Willie Pep
Superbantamweight = Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight = Ruben Olivares
Superflyweight = Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight = Jimmy Wilde
Lightflyweight = Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight = Ricardo Lopez

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ICB, was wondering what made you change several names on your list as the list you originally put has changed?
Just curious. :)

One is based on accomplishment and the other i think is on skill atleast that is what he said Cut just to let you know dude.

my all time list

hw joe louis
crus evander holyfield
lh michael spinks
sm roy jones jr
middle sugar ray robinson
jr middle terry norris
welterw sugar ray leanord / tommy hearns
jr welt kostya tszyu / julio ceaser chavez
light w floyd mayweather jr
s feath salvador sanchez / azumah nelson
feather marco antonio barrera
s bant erik morales
bantam tim austin
super fly johnny tapia
light fly michael carbajal
mini ricardo lopez

I think for welter it should be SRL, SRR, Armstrong reason in being i think people buy in to much on how many wins and what you should look at who they beat i mean SRL beat Benitez, Duran and Hearns and was pretty amazing but not the same number of fights. Some times i wish he never injuried his eye i think if given more time Srl would of surpassed SRR at the weight but those are just my opinions and i am bias when talking about SRL.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

my all time list

hw joe louis
crus evander holyfield
lh michael spinks
sm roy jones jr
middle sugar ray robinson
jr middle terry norris
welterw sugar ray leanord / tommy hearns
jr welt kostya tszyu / julio ceaser chavez
light w floyd mayweather jr
s feath salvador sanchez / azumah nelson
feather marco antonio barrera
s bant erik morales
bantam tim austin
super fly johnny tapia
light fly michael carbajal
mini ricardo lopez

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Tim Austin as opposed to Pintor,Galaxy,Canizalez,Chandler,..... ???

That is a weight i never really watch to much i hear about Galaxy alot how good was he at the weight.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

my all time list

hw joe louis
crus evander holyfield
lh michael spinks
sm roy jones jr
middle sugar ray robinson
jr middle terry norris
welterw sugar ray leanord / tommy hearns
jr welt kostya tszyu / julio ceaser chavez
light w floyd mayweather jr
s feath salvador sanchez / azumah nelson
feather marco antonio barrera
s bant erik morales
bantam tim austin
super fly johnny tapia
light fly michael carbajal
mini ricardo lopez

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Tim Austin as opposed to Pintor,Galaxy,Canizalez,Chandler,..... ???

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Olivares, Jofre and Harada to name others.

i like tim austin.. he could box and punch well at his best he would be a hard stop for anyone

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Harry Greb i have not seen much but for me it hard to not pick Monzon he was something at MW Hagler right at his tail.

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I think it's safe to say that not alot of people here have seen much of Greb, Langford, Wilde among others.
Again it all depends on how you are coming up with your list and what your looking for.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Heavyweight = Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight = Evander Holyfield
Lightheavyweight = Ezzard Charles
Supermiddleweight = Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight = Carlos Monzon
Lightmiddleweight = Terry Norris
Welterweight = Sugar Ray Robinson
Lightwelterweight = Aaron Pryor
Lightweight = Roberto Duran
Superfeatherweight = Alexis Arguello
Featherweight = Willie Pep
Superbantamweight = Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight = Ruben Olivares
Superflyweight = Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight = Jimmy Wilde
Lightflyweight = Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight = Ricardo Lopez

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ICB, was wondering what made you change several names on your list as the list you originally put has changed?
Just curious. :)

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Well on my first list i was basing it on what they achieved my second list was just purely skills Mick.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

my all time list

hw joe louis
crus evander holyfield
lh michael spinks
sm roy jones jr
middle sugar ray robinson
jr middle terry norris
welterw sugar ray leanord / tommy hearns
jr welt kostya tszyu / julio ceaser chavez
light w floyd mayweather jr
s feath salvador sanchez / azumah nelson
feather marco antonio barrera
s bant erik morales
bantam tim austin
super fly johnny tapia
light fly michael carbajal
mini ricardo lopez

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Tim Austin as opposed to Pintor,Galaxy,Canizalez,Chandler,..... ???

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Olivares, Jofre and Harada to name others.

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Excellent point Mick.Harada was pure pleasure and a beast from what I've seen.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

That is a weight i never really watch to much i hear about Galaxy alot how good was he at the weight.

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He was awesome he beat lots of other champs, not just past champs but future champs.

OK, now can anyone go through and count how many votes for them all?

I just wanted to get some more opions on this thread i changed my mind on a few. I just like to know if any of you have or not and for new people to add.

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield
Light-Heavyweight -Michael Spinks
Super-Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight - Marvin Hagler
Light-Middleweight - Mike McCallum
Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson
Light-Welterweight - Aaron Pryor
Lightweight - Pernell Whitaker
Super-Featherweight - Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Super-Bantamweight - Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight - Ruben Olivares
Super-Flyweight - Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde
Light-Flyweight - Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight - Ricardo Lopez

I've only picked guys that I've seen a fair bit of footage of, hence why Armstrong & Benny Leonard miss out at 135, & with the new divisions, some of these guys wouldn't make it into my all-time Top 75 probably, whilst other divisions have so many choices that if I did it again I might change things.

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield
Light-Heavyweight -Michael Spinks
Super-Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight - Marvin Hagler
Light-Middleweight - Mike McCallum
Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson
Light-Welterweight - Aaron Pryor
Lightweight - Pernell Whitaker
Super-Featherweight - Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Super-Bantamweight - Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight - Ruben Olivares
Super-Flyweight - Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde
Light-Flyweight - Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight - Ricardo Lopez

I've only picked guys that I've seen a fair bit of footage of, hence why Armstrong & Benny Leonard miss out at 135, & with the new divisions, some of these guys wouldn't make it into my all-time Top 75 probably, whilst other divisions have so many choices that if I did it again I might change things.

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That's a pretty good list. I'm not so sure about McCallum though. Depends what you mean by best I suppose. Personally I think a guy like Hearns or Leonard would have beaten McCallum at JMW, but they didn't stick around long enough in that division. Same sort of thing with Aaron Pryor. I can think of a few guys that's I'd favor over Pryor at that weight, but again they didn't stick around long enough.

That's why I think these kind of "Best at each weight" lists don't mean much, too many better fighters fall through the cracks because they moved through the divisions too quickly.

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Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield
Light-Heavyweight -Michael Spinks
Super-Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight - Marvin Hagler
Light-Middleweight - Mike McCallum
Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson
Light-Welterweight - Aaron Pryor
Lightweight - Pernell Whitaker
Super-Featherweight - Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Super-Bantamweight - Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight - Ruben Olivares
Super-Flyweight - Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde
Light-Flyweight - Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight - Ricardo Lopez

I've only picked guys that I've seen a fair bit of footage of, hence why Armstrong & Benny Leonard miss out at 135, & with the new divisions, some of these guys wouldn't make it into my all-time Top 75 probably, whilst other divisions have so many choices that if I did it again I might change things.

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That's a pretty good list. I'm not so sure about McCallum though. Depends what you mean by best I suppose. Personally I think a guy like Hearns or Leonard would have beaten McCallum at JMW, but they didn't stick around long enough in that division. Same sort of thing with Aaron Pryor. I can think of a few guys that's I'd favor over Pryor at that weight, but again they didn't stick around long enough.

That's why I think these kind of "Best at each weight" lists don't mean much, too many better fighters fall through the cracks because they moved through the divisions too quickly.

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Pryor I think was unbeatable at that weight at the time, although a fight between him & Duran would've been class & the aren't many I can see beating him there, maybe slick boxers. But like you say, some guys just move through divisions too quickly. I thought about putting Hearns at LMW, but he just wasn't there long enough & largely fought welters moving up. Similarly, Roy Jones is the best fighter to have fought at SMW for me, but he wasn't there long enough & Calzaghe is the only elite fighter to have really made the division his own

Well good list dude i only have a few different ones from you rep for list. I just think Larry Holmes could of beaten any heavy including Ali but his resume is not as good so i can see why people think i was wrong. Then there is the Mosley at lw yet again think he could beat anyone at the weight including Duran, Whitcker and Maywather yet again comp not best. Then this i know most wont agree with i though Leonard could beat anyone at welter and his wins over Duran, Benitez and Hearns i rate very high even higher then all the wins that Robinson had just me though.

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Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield
Light-Heavyweight -Michael Spinks
Super-Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight - Marvin Hagler
Light-Middleweight - Mike McCallum
Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson
Light-Welterweight - Aaron Pryor
Lightweight - Pernell Whitaker
Super-Featherweight - Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Super-Bantamweight - Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight - Ruben Olivares
Super-Flyweight - Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde
Light-Flyweight - Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight - Ricardo Lopez

I've only picked guys that I've seen a fair bit of footage of, hence why Armstrong & Benny Leonard miss out at 135, & with the new divisions, some of these guys wouldn't make it into my all-time Top 75 probably, whilst other divisions have so many choices that if I did it again I might change things.

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That's a pretty good list. I'm not so sure about McCallum though. Depends what you mean by best I suppose. Personally I think a guy like Hearns or Leonard would have beaten McCallum at JMW, but they didn't stick around long enough in that division. Same sort of thing with Aaron Pryor. I can think of a few guys that's I'd favor over Pryor at that weight, but again they didn't stick around long enough.

That's why I think these kind of "Best at each weight" lists don't mean much, too many better fighters fall through the cracks because they moved through the divisions too quickly.

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Pryor I think was unbeatable at that weight at the time, although a fight between him & Duran would've been class & the aren't many I can see beating him there, maybe slick boxers. But like you say, some guys just move through divisions too quickly. I thought about putting Hearns at LMW, but he just wasn't there long enough & largely fought welters moving up. Similarly, Roy Jones is the best fighter to have fought at SMW for me, but he wasn't there long enough & Calzaghe is the only elite fighter to have really made the division his own

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At the time, sure, go with Pryor, but since we are talking all time then I imagine guys like Mosely, Duran, Mayweather Jr., delaHoya, probably Benitez all are the equal of Pryor at JWW.

And also I agree with Mr140 on Leonard at WW. I don't think he gives up anything to Robinson at welterweight when it comes to boxing ability and toughness.

201+ Heavyweight- Muhammad Ali
200 Cruiserweight- Evander Holyfield
175 Light Heavyweight- Gene Tunney
168 Super Middleweight- Joe Cazaghe
160 Middleweight- Marvin Hagler
154 Light Middleweight- Terry Norris
147 Welterweight- Ray Robinson
140 Light Welterweight- Aaron Pryor
135 Lightweight- Roberto Duran
130 Super Featherweight- Floyd Mayweather
126 Featherweight- Salvador Sanchez
122 Super Bantamweight- Wilfredo Sanchez
118 Bantamweight- Ruben Olivares
115 Super Flyweight- Khaosai Galaxy
112 Flyweight- Jimmy Wilde

The other two divisions I don't follow.

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali
Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfield
Light Heavyweight - Archie Moore
Supper Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight - Marvin Hagler
Junior Middleweight - Thomas Hearns
Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson
Junior Welterweight - Julio Cesar Chavez
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Junior Lightweight - Alexis Arguello
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Junior Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate
Junior Bantamweight - Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde
Junior Flyweight - Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight - Ricardo Lopez

Other fighters that I wanted to include in the list:

Joe Louis
Ezzard Charles
Carlos Monzon
Harry Greb
Henry Armstrong
Sugar Ray Leonard
Aaron Pryor
Miguel Canto
Eder Jofre

Heavyweight - Joe Louis
Cruiserweight - Rocky Marciano
Light Heavyweight - Ezzard Charles
Super Middleweight - Sam Langford
Middleweight - Marvin Hagler
Junior Middleweight - Thomas Hearns
Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson
Junior Welterweight - Julio Cesar Chavez
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Junior Lightweight - Alexis Arguello
Featherweight - Willie Pep
Junior Featherweight - Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate
Junior Bantamweight - Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde
Junior Flyweight - Michael Carbajal
Minimumweight - Ricardo Lopez