Well!CC to Britkid,I mean CutMeMick.I learnt lot from reading this thread. I didn't know about RJJ's titles and how he got them.Good stuff my man.
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Well!CC to Britkid,I mean CutMeMick.I learnt lot from reading this thread. I didn't know about RJJ's titles and how he got them.Good stuff my man.
What about the skill factor? Dariusz did not have the skills to match Jones. He was out classed in every category against Jones. Jones skills allow him to easily toy and beat Julio Gonzalez. Dariusz skills cost him to lose to GonzalezQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Sorry but as Jones fan i have to step in here you seem to dislike Jones for whatever reason and you are biased against him in every discussion every thread you have made like Moorer vs Jones ect you seem to think Jones loses to them all but thats not true at all Jones was something special he beat Hall Of Famers and good quality opposition easy and even toyed with some of them because it was so easy Jones was leagues ahead of Dariusz in mostly every department.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
And really and truthfully except for Virgil Hill and Montel Griffin alot of Dariusz's opposition was mediocre.
I already said in this thread i was bias to Jones and I do not think Spinks and Moorer beating him is out of the question both were great fighters. And to be honest you are a Roy fan so you are bias when it comes to him that is boxing and every is different with there opinions.
And how many fights have you seen of Moorer at Lightheavyweight ?? i've seen a few but his opposition was terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Its nothing to do with me being Jones fan even if i wasn't i would realize he was something special and he was and i think you have been very unfair to Jones in alot of threads and yes Jones beats Dariusz by lopsided decision there i said it.
Yea but it like when you talk about Roy facing Hagler a middleweight and Roy best win was Hopkins and did you see the fight not like either was primed and so you base his wins off higher weights. I do the same thing with Moorer because he did pretty well as a Heavyweight and was a Undisputed champion and alose was the IBF belt holder along the way as well and his opponents at LH were not the best but he blasted through them. I do not think Roy has the power to bother him he may have been taken out by Tua and Foreman and a few other but he held his own with 230 pluse hard hitters. And i think Moore at the LH had the power to Knock Roy out if he connected so that why i pick Moorer i think he would knock Roy out of there late rounds.
Yea but it like when you talk about Roy facing Hagler a middleweight and Roy best win was Hopkins and did you see the fight not like either was primedQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
So what ?? Hopkins was still very good fighter he was more offensive minded back then and Jones is the only man who ever beat Hopkins by lopsided decision that is impressive.
I do the same thing with Moorer because he did pretty well as a Heavyweight and was a Undisputed champion and alose was the IBF belt holder along the way as well and his opponents at LH were not the best but he blasted through them.
So you haven't seen Moorer as Lightheavyweight yet you say he can beat prime Roy Jones just because he blasted through bums ?? umm ok and Moorer was rocked badly by limited fighters like Alex Stewart and almost stopped by journeyman Bert Cooper and was dropped twice Moorer always had suspect chin.
Thats all im saying on it im not turning this thread into strictly about Roy Jones.
Both were known for being big hitter and with more power then Roy so whats your point how would Roy bother Moorer. And 116-112 is not that lopsided of a decision and ok here something better for you at a catch weight i believe Moore would beat Roy you fell better about that.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
The same could be said of RJJ(at least as a light heavyweight)...
Mike McCallum
Virgil Hill
Eric Harding
Montell Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Antonio Tarver
Richard Hall
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Clinton Woods
Compare Dariusz's Lightheavyweight record.
Richard Hall
Montell Griffin
Virgil Hill
Graciano Rocchigiani
And Jones still beats Dariusz in best wins at Lightheavyweight and Dariusz spent his whole career at Lightheavyweight and if you want me to compare there whole career of best wins there's no contest.
Mike McCallum who started at LM was a old ass man when Roy beat him, Eric Harding never held a real title and did nothing before or after Roy and then there was Gonzalez who best win was against a past it Griffen and past it Dariusz so what so great about him.
Like i've already told you about 20 times McCallum won Lightheavyweight world title so he was still good and he gave Fabrice Tiozzo a good arguement the same Fabrice Tiozzo who destroyed Dariusz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Harding beat Antonio Tarver.
Gonzalez beat Dariusz when he was 48-0 so that makes Jones victory over him look even more good because he dominated Gonzalez and dropped him twice.
Just face it your Roy Jones hater no matter what you try and do Jones beat better quality opposition than Dariusz.
Ok Roy jones Jr nut hugger why dont you stop glorifying a 40 has been and a guy that never even held a title.
Did you read what i said or shall i put in bold for you ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Like i've already told you about 20 times McCallum won Lightheavyweight world title so he was still good and he gave Fabrice Tiozzo a good arguement the same Fabrice Tiozzo who destroyed Dariusz.
So just because Harding never won a title doesn't make him good ?? Harding beat Tarver in IBF Light Heavyweight Title Eliminator for Jones title so he was worthy of the shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Are you talking about the 37 year old past Dariusz so when roy gets destroyed he is past it but if a even older Dariusz does it does not matter.
Gonzalez was huge underdog against Dariusz was 48-0 and no expected Gonzalez to win so yes that was very good victory for Gonzalez and that makes Jones victory over Gonzalez even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Yet again a past it at 35 and Roy faced him when Roy was just turned 32 and still was in prime how was that a better win.
Lets just take a look on how Jones did when he was 35 not so good if you ask me.
How is it a better win ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
WTF ??
OK LET ME PUT IT IN CAPS GONZALEZ BEAT DARIUSZ WHEN HE WAS 48-0 CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG ?? DARIUSZ WAS COMING OFF TWO GOOD VICTORIES AGAINST HARMON AND HALL AND GONZALEZ WAS HUGE UNDERDOG AGAINST DARIUSZ AND HE EASILY BEAT DARIUSZ WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ?? ROY JONES IS ONLY ONE WHO HAS EVER DOMINATED GONZALEZ LIKE THAT PLUS IT MAKES HIS WIN OVER GONZALEZ EVEN BETTER BECAUSE GONZALEZ UPSET 48-0 DARIUSZ CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG ??
Lets just take a look on how Jones did when he was 35 not so good if you ask me.
DARIUSZ DIDN'T HAVE TO MOVE DOWN TO LIGHTHVEAYWEIGHT WHILE BEING A HEAVYWEIGHT MESSING UP HIS BODY ..............
look Roy won the first match when he moved down he was at the weight then he got knocked the fuck out the next time they fought. So whats is the problem is you just say when Roy lost it he was past it and then when Dariusz lost even though he was older and lost a decision and was even older when he got knocked out does not matter because he was not past it when it happened.
Its just like this...nobody and I really mean nobody could have beaten a prime RJJ...
With his skill and speed Jones was just from another planet...
But this thread is about Michalczewski, isn't it ?!?
Michalczewski was a great light heavy and not many achieved what he achieved...
12 years unbeaten,in 48 fights...9 years being light heavyweight champ,with 24 title defenses...
Thats something...And I give Dariusz alot of credit for this...
BTW Michalczewski fights were way more exciting than RJJ fights... ;)
What are you talking about ?? i was comparing opposition and Jones clearly wins all you keep doing is slating Jones and his opposition infact im not discussing this with a biased hater so goodbye have a nice day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
O god and you are not bias when it comes to jones wake the fuck up ice you are just as bias as me when coming to jones.
Nope im realistic i've watched Dariusz fights, Moorer fights, Jones fights, and i know who would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
And i know who has fought better opposition.
O so ok sense it is your opinion it must be right god forbid if you were wrong.
Johnny posted this and he is a Dariusz fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Its just like this...nobody and I really mean nobody could have beaten a prime RJJ...
With his skill and speed Jones was just from another planet...
Yes i am right and i have proved im right all you have done is slate Jones i stated the reason's why Jones has fought better opposition and i give you the facts tell me what i was wrong about ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
How have you proved that you are right just because you named some names i mean i do not care if a man has a belt you can get old really fast when you are 40 years of age. The other guy beat Taver and that is it he still never wore a belt and the other guy beat a Old Dariusz and past it Griffin.
Why you keep stressing the belt thing? There pretty much meaningless now a days. Eric Harding does not need a belt to prove he was/is a very good fighter. Anybody with any boxing knowledge can see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
So Mr140 are u seriously saying Prime DM beats a Prime RJJ, cos if u are, u are wrong.
Actual it was Cut who stated it and i agreed and then we talk about competition they had LH.
Why don't read the first page it was cut that said he could pull off a win and i said i agreed with him.
Well who was thew better fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Some one brought up the topic about what happen if they fought. Then Cut said he think DM could pull off a win then later i agreed with him. Then we started to get in who fought better oppitsion i think it is close then ice brought up alot of names i think some of them should not be mentioned.
Then ice says i am hater because i always go against Roy and i simple said i feel that Moorer and Spinks at lightheavy could beat Roy. Then i said i would go with them even more if they fought at CW as a in between HW and LH and all that other stuff.
RJJ had better opponents at LHW than either Moorer or Spinks. They were bith naturally bigger men than RJJ so that would be a reason why they may have been better at HW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
RJJ had a much much much better resume of fighters at LHW than DM, and that is a fact. He destroyed Hill and Griffin much easier than DM did.
Yea but i give DM a chance not saying he win but i would not rule it out i give him chance to beat Roy. Now if i was a betting i probably go with Roy over DM but i would put my Money on Spinks or Moorer to beat Roy and that is how i feel about those fights ever happen i wish Moorer would of fought Roy.
And Moorer may not of had better competition but Spinks was pretty close on his competition if not better when it came to LH.