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Re: I might be A Little Late on The Draw, but Who Is Floyd Sparring With?
Are we talking about Rickys partners here or Floyds?
I think N'Dou is wayyyy too slow to emulate Ricky...but you never know if there's any kidology at play with the Mayweathers ;)
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The stupid thing about this whole thread is that all the Hatton fanboys are saying how PBF's sparring partner is nothing like Hatton, when in fact he has many similarities, and they knock PBF for that. Yet Hattons sparring partners are even less like PBF, but that is ok cos he is using it for 'fitness', and 'toughness'..... What the? Ndou is not slow. He has very fast hands. Have u guys actually watched him fight. He has shit defence, and not great ring smarts but he is strong and fit and fast, similiar to Hatton.
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I'm with you on this one Eagle, N'dou is perfect preparation for Mayweather.
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I'm with you on this one Eagle, N'dou is perfect preparation for Mayweather.
Thanks mate CC. I mean Hatton is a strong 140 fighter who puts on heaps of pressure and is fastish. That could be a description for Ndou, just on a lesser scale. What do these guys want? PBF to get Cotto to spar?
Apparently he has Jesus Chavez as well, yet the Hattonboys dismissed him as well. What the?
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Originally Posted by Steelie
Are we talking about Rickys partners here or Floyds?
I think N'Dou is wayyyy too slow to emulate Ricky...but you never know if there's any kidology at play with the Mayweathers ;)
Ndou is faster than Hatton if anything. So Macklin is fast enough to emulate PBF?
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One thing about N'dou, he has a head made of granite and he will be told to keep moving forward and apply pressure, Mayweather will get good work out of him.
N'dou has fought quality opponents like Mitchell, Witter and Cotto and nobody stopped him!
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Originally Posted by Steelie
Are we talking about Rickys partners here or Floyds?
I think N'Dou is wayyyy too slow to emulate Ricky...but you never know if there's any kidology at play with the Mayweathers ;)
Ndou is faster than Hatton if anything. So Macklin is fast enough to emulate PBF?
Obviously your never going to get sparring anywhere near as good as the guy your fighting but the word on Karl Dargan is that he has ridiculous hand speed, Rock Allen and Steve Forbes are tricky on the inside and have good defense, and John Murray is very durable with a good box fighter style, add in the pure physicality and strength of Macklin, who is also crafty and i think you have a good team of sparring partners.
Mayweather obviously has his 2 main guys in Chop Chop Corley and Kofi Jantuah, and Lovemore N'dou is as good as your going to get as a sparring partner at 140/147, he will be able to emulate Ricky some what but is nowhere near as quick and doesn't have the repotoire of punches. He does however, have a very hard head and he does do that odd kinda bob and weave a bit like what Ricky does. There isn't an argument really, we both know they are getting the best sparring possible, and there's no point arguing over it like it may win someone the fight, when clearly it won't, they both have great sparring partners.
Oh and Macklin is way tougher than N'dou ;) he's a damn Middleweight and he's also much quicker than N'dou, ridiculous argument. That doesn't mean that Hatton will be sparring Macklin like that though. Sparring is sparring, it's apples and oranges.
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Steelie
Are we talking about Rickys partners here or Floyds?
I think N'Dou is wayyyy too slow to emulate Ricky...but you never know if there's any kidology at play with the Mayweathers ;)
Ndou is faster than Hatton if anything. So Macklin is fast enough to emulate PBF?
Obviously your never going to get sparring anywhere near as good as the guy your fighting but the word on Karl Dargan is that he has ridiculous hand speed, Rock Allen and Steve Forbes are tricky on the inside and have good defense, and John Murray is very durable with a good box fighter style, add in the pure physicality and strength of Macklin, who is also crafty and i think you have a good team of sparring partners.
Mayweather obviously has his 2 main guys in Chop Chop Corley and Kofi Jantuah, and Lovemore N'dou is as good as your going to get as a sparring partner at 140/147, he will be able to emulate Ricky some what but is nowhere near as quick and doesn't have the repotoire of punches. He does however, have a very hard head and he does do that odd kinda bob and weave a bit like what Ricky does. There isn't an argument really, we both know they are getting the best sparring possible, and there's no point arguing over it like it may win someone the fight, when clearly it won't, they both have great sparring partners.
Oh and Macklin is way tougher than N'dou ;) he's a damn Middleweight and he's also much quicker than N'dou, ridiculous argument. That doesn't mean that Hatton will be sparring Macklin like that though. Sparring is sparring, it's apples and oranges.
Macklin is not quicker than Ndou. Lovemore has great handspeed for a 140 fighter, Macklin is not faster than a quick 140 guy, and if he was he would have a lot better record!
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Originally Posted by 'Big' (Yoits)Dan McCarthy
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Originally Posted by Steelie
Are we talking about Rickys partners here or Floyds?
I think N'Dou is wayyyy too slow to emulate Ricky...but you never know if there's any kidology at play with the Mayweathers ;)
Ndou is faster than Hatton if anything. So Macklin is fast enough to emulate PBF?
Obviously your never going to get sparring anywhere near as good as the guy your fighting but the word on Karl Dargan is that he has ridiculous hand speed, Rock Allen and Steve Forbes are tricky on the inside and have good defense, and John Murray is very durable with a good box fighter style, add in the pure physicality and strength of Macklin, who is also crafty and i think you have a good team of sparring partners.
Mayweather obviously has his 2 main guys in Chop Chop Corley and Kofi Jantuah, and Lovemore N'dou is as good as your going to get as a sparring partner at 140/147, he will be able to emulate Ricky some what but is nowhere near as quick and doesn't have the repotoire of punches. He does however, have a very hard head and he does do that odd kinda bob and weave a bit like what Ricky does. There isn't an argument really, we both know they are getting the best sparring possible, and there's no point arguing over it like it may win someone the fight, when clearly it won't, they both have great sparring partners.
Oh and Macklin is way tougher than N'dou ;) he's a damn Middleweight and he's also much quicker than N'dou, ridiculous argument. That doesn't mean that Hatton will be sparring Macklin like that though. Sparring is sparring, it's apples and oranges.
Macklin is not quicker than Ndou. Lovemore has great handspeed for a 140 fighter, Macklin is not faster than a quick 140 guy, and if he was he would have a lot better record!
I doubt you've seen Macklin fight. See for yourself he is a great fighter, if N'dou ever moved up he would get smashed to pieces. N'dou is one of the slowest boxers I've ever seen do well at 140lbs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K4MPqRA9ww
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by 'Big' (Yoits)Dan McCarthy
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Steelie
Are we talking about Rickys partners here or Floyds?
I think N'Dou is wayyyy too slow to emulate Ricky...but you never know if there's any kidology at play with the Mayweathers ;)
Ndou is faster than Hatton if anything. So Macklin is fast enough to emulate PBF?
Obviously your never going to get sparring anywhere near as good as the guy your fighting but the word on Karl Dargan is that he has ridiculous hand speed, Rock Allen and Steve Forbes are tricky on the inside and have good defense, and John Murray is very durable with a good box fighter style, add in the pure physicality and strength of Macklin, who is also crafty and i think you have a good team of sparring partners.
Mayweather obviously has his 2 main guys in Chop Chop Corley and Kofi Jantuah, and Lovemore N'dou is as good as your going to get as a sparring partner at 140/147, he will be able to emulate Ricky some what but is nowhere near as quick and doesn't have the repotoire of punches. He does however, have a very hard head and he does do that odd kinda bob and weave a bit like what Ricky does. There isn't an argument really, we both know they are getting the best sparring possible, and there's no point arguing over it like it may win someone the fight, when clearly it won't, they both have great sparring partners.
Oh and Macklin is way tougher than N'dou ;) he's a damn Middleweight and he's also much quicker than N'dou, ridiculous argument. That doesn't mean that Hatton will be sparring Macklin like that though. Sparring is sparring, it's apples and oranges.
Macklin is not quicker than Ndou. Lovemore has great handspeed for a 140 fighter, Macklin is not faster than a quick 140 guy, and if he was he would have a lot better record!
I doubt you've seen Macklin fight. See for yourself he is a great fighter, if N'dou ever moved up he would get smashed to pieces. N'dou is one of the slowest boxers I've ever seen do well at 140lbs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K4MPqRA9ww
You have obviously never watched Ndou fight. He is quite fast for a 140 fighter. Macklin is S***. Ranked 45, will never be more than a WBO contender. Got KTFO by Jamie Moore for fucksake!!! Thats the truth.
Why am i bothering to argue with a blatant fanboy who in another thread said Hatton would send PBF out on a stretcher. What a stupid thing to say. Atleast i give an unbiased view, something u have never ever done.
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The stupid thing about this whole thread is that all the Hatton fanboys are saying how PBF's sparring partner is nothing like Hatton, when in fact he has many similarities, and they knock PBF for that. Yet Hattons sparring partners are even less like PBF, but that is ok cos he is using it for 'fitness', and 'toughness'..... What the? Ndou is not slow. He has very fast hands. Have u guys actually watched him fight. He has S*** defence, and not great ring smarts but he is strong and fit and fast, similiar to Hatton.
Eagle it was a perfectly ok until you were proven wrong, then it became "stupid."
Dan i owe you a CC for defnding Matty aswell!!!
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hes sparing with Ndou and Carlos Baldimir
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Damn Hatton looked like a lil butterball in that clip, even his fingers were all fat. I have a feeling he is gonna put Duran's gut to same when he retires.
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hes sparing with Ndou and Carlos Baldimir
He already sparred with Baldomir last november, and they sold it on pay-per-view... NDou is like Hatton without the power.
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I'm with you on this one Eagle, N'dou is perfect preparation for Mayweather.
Thanks mate CC. I mean Hatton is a strong 140 fighter who puts on heaps of pressure and is fastish. That could be a description for Ndou, just on a lesser scale. What do these guys want? PBF to get Cotto to spar?
Apparently he has Jesus Chavez as well, yet the Hattonboys dismissed him as well. What the?
Not once did I...nor would I dismiss Chavez as a sparring partner. That's a decent one. N'dou though...is shite. Anyway, we got into this argument because you said N'dou was tougher than Matthew Macklin, which is just bollocks.
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Well what more can i say on this?
He's well prepared, he's got the mind set and support....
He's got myself, bzkfn and Dan right behind him and you can bet ur ass we'll be shoutin for him as loud as possible Dec 8th....Do it Rick!
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by 'Big' (Yoits)Dan McCarthy
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Originally Posted by eagle
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Originally Posted by Steelie
Are we talking about Rickys partners here or Floyds?
I think N'Dou is wayyyy too slow to emulate Ricky...but you never know if there's any kidology at play with the Mayweathers ;)
Ndou is faster than Hatton if anything. So Macklin is fast enough to emulate PBF?
Obviously your never going to get sparring anywhere near as good as the guy your fighting but the word on Karl Dargan is that he has ridiculous hand speed, Rock Allen and Steve Forbes are tricky on the inside and have good defense, and John Murray is very durable with a good box fighter style, add in the pure physicality and strength of Macklin, who is also crafty and i think you have a good team of sparring partners.
Mayweather obviously has his 2 main guys in Chop Chop Corley and Kofi Jantuah, and Lovemore N'dou is as good as your going to get as a sparring partner at 140/147, he will be able to emulate Ricky some what but is nowhere near as quick and doesn't have the repotoire of punches. He does however, have a very hard head and he does do that odd kinda bob and weave a bit like what Ricky does. There isn't an argument really, we both know they are getting the best sparring possible, and there's no point arguing over it like it may win someone the fight, when clearly it won't, they both have great sparring partners.
Oh and Macklin is way tougher than N'dou ;) he's a damn Middleweight and he's also much quicker than N'dou, ridiculous argument. That doesn't mean that Hatton will be sparring Macklin like that though. Sparring is sparring, it's apples and oranges.
Macklin is not quicker than Ndou. Lovemore has great handspeed for a 140 fighter, Macklin is not faster than a quick 140 guy, and if he was he would have a lot better record!
And N'dou's record is amazing? Name one time he has stepped up a level and won? If a fight was made between Jamie Moore & N'dou, Moore would knock him out, so criticizing Macklin for his loss to Moore is a terrible argument. Not once have you given a reason why you think N'dou is tougher than Macklin. It's not being a fan boy to make the obvious point that a middleweight is tougher than a junior welter. You arguing that is just F****** stupid :sadclick:
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Re: I might be A Little Late on The Draw, but Who Is Floyd Sparring With?
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Theres ur CC Dan
And yours matey. ;)
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I turn my back for 1 minute and you Fukers hijack my thread grandstanding for your fighters ???
HAHAHA!!!!!
Good Job Fellas.
For the record Donny, Dan and Katfight all have signature bets with me so dont forget...
Floyd TKO9
Hope this helps ;) ;D
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I have a sig bet?!
You sure ur not thinkin of bzkfn?
Il do a bet no prob tho!
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I have a sig bet?!
You sure ur not thinkin of bzkfn?
Il do a bet no prob tho!
yea we made it about 6 monts ago when the fight was in the works.. Well me and Dan have been salivating and plotting, debating and wishing this fight for almost 2 years now and alot had given up on the prospect altogether as it looked like both fighters were headed in other directions.. Then WHAM!!! the fight was signed..
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Oh Yes! I remember JT, the fight was a day or so announced!
CC for good luck man!
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Oh Yes! I remember JT, the fight was a day or so announced!
CC for good luck man!
likewise ;)
yea I'm a Hatton fan, wouldnt appear so since I am picking against him, I have been a Floyd fan forever and thats where my loyalty is at and that wont change. The only thing that will defeat Floyd is either father time or one to many weight jumps. he is hands down the absolute best fighter in the world.
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I'll bet 10 cc's with you that Hatton wins this fight JT.
I'd bet more, but it'd just take too long. People didn't honour them from Calzaghe-Kessler for me.
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I'll bet 10 cc's with you that Hatton wins this fight JT.
I'd bet more, but it'd just take too long. People didn't honour them from Calzaghe-Kessler for me.
Make it 5.. Historically I found anything over that people forget, lose interest or just booger out on ya  ;)
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I'll bet 10 cc's with you that Hatton wins this fight JT.
I'd bet more, but it'd just take too long. People didn't honour them from Calzaghe-Kessler for me.
Make it 5.. Historically I found anything over that people forget, lose interest or just booger out on ya ;)
Ok 5 it is. You're only saying that though, because you know you'll be wearing out your clicking index finger ;D
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Yeah i'm the same, i remember i had just started boxing when my Aunt told me there's an amateur called Ricky Hatton going over to Ireland to fight, you might want to take a look at him.
That was just over ten years ago!!!
Floyd isn't what he used to be...Please don't think im saying he's shot or anything, but Floyd has concealed some physical downsides of the climb in weight using his mental brillinace expierience and movement. Ive felt since his arrival at Welter the muscle mass he has put on is restricting the volume of punches he administers and that coupled with the frail left hand could be a boost to the Hatton camp's optimism.
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Yeah i'm the same, i remember i had just started boxing when my Aunt told me there's an amateur called Ricky Hatton going over to Ireland to fight, you might want to take a look at him.
That was just over ten years ago!!!
Floyd isn't what he used to be...Please don't think im saying he's shot or anything, but Floyd has concealed some physical downsides of the climb in weight using his mental brillinace expierience and movement. Ive felt since his arrival at Welter the muscle mass he has put on is restricting the volume of punches he administers and that coupled with the frail left hand could be a boost to the Hatton camp's optimism.
Same could be said about Hatton. his last campaign at Welter was a gift and against a guy in Urango who only had 19 pro fights looked less than spectacular. Then he KO's Castillo who consequently was 5 years older than the one Floyd fought and far from his prime and was a shell of himself after being shot to pieces. Matter of fact we had a prelude og what Castillo was about when he got a gift desicion against Herman Ngoudjo were Castillo came out Flat and lethargic and was getting beat to the punch by a guy with 15 pro fights.
So you could say that Hatton really hasnt showed anything spectacular in a superfight since Tszyu and hasnt shown that insane and sustained workrate over the long haul. He faded against both Colazzo and Urango, then he disposed of Castillo in 4 so no one can really legitimately say Hatton is still that windmill since it hasnt been manifested in a while.
On the contrary Floyd is a cardio machine and has NEVER EVER faded in a fight!!!! matter of fact he gets stronger as the fight wears on
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In agreement that Rick faded badly in his alst number of fights and against Maussa (i was ringside there.) he followed the strategy badly.
I do feel tho that he was ready for 12 rounds against Castillo and he maintained his shape better than he has let on before this fight.
Since the Tszyu fight has adopted the same strategy, to smother and roughhouse. I feel a revert to his original style such as in the Pedersen Pep or Philips fight may be implemented against Floyd as he'll need to get his work done quick as Floyd will be an increedibly well oiled moving target.
I feel the fact that Floyd by numbvers and on paer gets stronger as the fight goes on is largely due to the fact that he often sacrifices the first 5 roundss in order to maximise his dominance in the late going. A smart tactic.
However Rickty has said he's going to conserve energy so id say it could be a shock to see Ricky and Floyd box relatively conservatively for the first part of the fight and a war may break ouyt after 5 or 6
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In agreement that Rick faded badly in his alst number of fights and against Maussa (i was ringside there.) he followed the strategy badly.
I do feel tho that he was ready for 12 rounds against Castillo and he maintained his shape better than he has let on before this fight.
Since the Tszyu fight has adopted the same strategy, to smother and roughhouse. I feel a revert to his original style such as in the Pedersen Pep or Philips fight may be implemented against Floyd as he'll need to get his work done quick as Floyd will be an increedibly well oiled moving target.
I feel the fact that Floyd by numbvers and on paer gets stronger as the fight goes on is largely due to the fact that he often sacrifices the first 5 roundss in order to maximise his dominance in the late going. A smart tactic.
However Rickty has said he's going to conserve energy so id say it could be a shock to see Ricky and Floyd box relatively conservatively for the first part of the fight and a war may break ouyt after 5 or 6
A conservative Ricky is a dead Ricky... Ricy will never outbox Mayweather his only chance is constant pressure if he dosent stay relentless he will get carved up like Gatti. So conservative is NOT an option for Hatton
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Thats what i thought...
I feel if ricky uses the first four rounds to damage Floyd, idon't mean with punches i mean rough him up wrestle him and pull him about, he may fluster mayweather and initiate exchanges or he may rough him up enough to take a toll on the late going.
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I'm sorry if it has been said, but I didn't read through all the pages:
Floyd has Carlos Baldomir as one of his key sparring partners.
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....Cotto wouldn't be a smart choice as a sparring partner for ANYONE
Did you know that Cotto was actually Henry Bruseles' sparring partner for the Mayweather fight?
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I'm sorry if it has been said, but I didn't read through all the pages:
Floyd has Carlos Baldomir as one of his key sparring partners.
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I cant see Baldomir being of much assistance after seeing him the other night. He is much slower and more plodding than Hatton at this point, plus hes not really much of a body puncher.
