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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Hatton is always in good condition the only fight he wasn't 100 percent in was Collazo fight.
That's bullshit. Hatton was 100% for the Collazo fight. He just got his a** beat. People want to point to the fact that he only had a couple of weeks to prepare for Collazo. So what? Last time I checked Collazo only had a couple weeks to prepare for Hatton.
VD i disagree all you have to do is watch Hatton's performance against Collazo and then watch his best performance's theres big difference Hatton had 5 weeks notice to move up to Welterweight if i remember right both men had about the sametime for training but Hatton looked terrible where as that was Collazo's best performance of his career Hatton had no headmovement and was walking into shots im not trying to make an excuse Collazo fought great fight but that was nowhere near Hatton as his best.
If they both had 5 weeks to prepare than who's fault is that Collazo was 100% but Hatton wasn't? Going into the Collazo fight, Hatton and his team both claim to be in the best shape of his career. All of a sudden he gets his ass beat and he's less than 100%
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Hatton is always in good condition the only fight he wasn't 100 percent in was Collazo fight.
That's bullshit. Hatton was 100% for the Collazo fight. He just got his a** beat. People want to point to the fact that he only had a couple of weeks to prepare for Collazo. So what? Last time I checked Collazo only had a couple weeks to prepare for Hatton.
VD i disagree all you have to do is watch Hatton's performance against Collazo and then watch his best performance's theres big difference Hatton had 5 weeks notice to move up to Welterweight if i remember right both men had about the sametime for training but Hatton looked terrible where as that was Collazo's best performance of his career Hatton had no headmovement and was walking into shots im not trying to make an excuse Collazo fought great fight but that was nowhere near Hatton as his best.
If they both had 5 weeks to prepare than who's fault is that Collazo was 100% but Hatton wasn't? Going into the Collazo fight, Hatton and his team both claim to be in the best shape of his career. All of a sudden he gets his a** beat and he's less than 100%
Like i said im not trying to make excuses but Hatton was nowhere near his best he had no headmovement and he didn't use angles on the inside i've seen a few of Collazo's fights and his fight with Hatton was by far his best performance he did also perform well in his fight with Miguel Angel Gonzalez and also against Jose Antonio Rivera when he was a late subsitute and he hardly had any time for training even less than he had for Hatton fight but he still won.
Im not sure what went wrong in Hatton's training camp maybe it was an issue with making weight i seem to remember Hatton saying he had put on too much weight or something like that ?? but all i know is that Hatton was certainly not at his best.
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Hatton is always in good condition the only fight he wasn't 100 percent in was Collazo fight.
That's bullshit. Hatton was 100% for the Collazo fight. He just got his a** beat. People want to point to the fact that he only had a couple of weeks to prepare for Collazo. So what? Last time I checked Collazo only had a couple weeks to prepare for Hatton.
VD i disagree all you have to do is watch Hatton's performance against Collazo and then watch his best performance's theres big difference Hatton had 5 weeks notice to move up to Welterweight if i remember right both men had about the sametime for training but Hatton looked terrible where as that was Collazo's best performance of his career Hatton had no headmovement and was walking into shots im not trying to make an excuse Collazo fought great fight but that was nowhere near Hatton as his best.
If they both had 5 weeks to prepare than who's fault is that Collazo was 100% but Hatton wasn't? Going into the Collazo fight, Hatton and his team both claim to be in the best shape of his career. All of a sudden he gets his ass beat and he's less than 100%
Blah blah blah
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Hatton is always in good condition the only fight he wasn't 100 percent in was Collazo fight.
That's bullshit. Hatton was 100% for the Collazo fight. He just got his a** beat. People want to point to the fact that he only had a couple of weeks to prepare for Collazo. So what? Last time I checked Collazo only had a couple weeks to prepare for Hatton.
VD i disagree all you have to do is watch Hatton's performance against Collazo and then watch his best performance's theres big difference Hatton had 5 weeks notice to move up to Welterweight if i remember right both men had about the sametime for training but Hatton looked terrible where as that was Collazo's best performance of his career Hatton had no headmovement and was walking into shots im not trying to make an excuse Collazo fought great fight but that was nowhere near Hatton as his best.
If they both had 5 weeks to prepare than who's fault is that Collazo was 100% but Hatton wasn't? Going into the Collazo fight, Hatton and his team both claim to be in the best shape of his career. All of a sudden he gets his a** beat and he's less than 100%
Blah blah blah
Cant believe u kept taking the bait. Its pathetic.
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Hatton is always in good condition the only fight he wasn't 100 percent in was Collazo fight.
That's bullshit. Hatton was 100% for the Collazo fight. He just got his a** beat. People want to point to the fact that he only had a couple of weeks to prepare for Collazo. So what? Last time I checked Collazo only had a couple weeks to prepare for Hatton.
VD i disagree all you have to do is watch Hatton's performance against Collazo and then watch his best performance's theres big difference Hatton had 5 weeks notice to move up to Welterweight if i remember right both men had about the sametime for training but Hatton looked terrible where as that was Collazo's best performance of his career Hatton had no headmovement and was walking into shots im not trying to make an excuse Collazo fought great fight but that was nowhere near Hatton as his best.
If they both had 5 weeks to prepare than who's fault is that Collazo was 100% but Hatton wasn't? Going into the Collazo fight, Hatton and his team both claim to be in the best shape of his career. All of a sudden he gets his a** beat and he's less than 100%
Blah blah blah
Cant believe u kept taking the bait. Its pathetic.
That's what he is. Pathetic
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Hatton is always in good condition the only fight he wasn't 100 percent in was Collazo fight.
That's bullshit. Hatton was 100% for the Collazo fight. He just got his a** beat. People want to point to the fact that he only had a couple of weeks to prepare for Collazo. So what? Last time I checked Collazo only had a couple weeks to prepare for Hatton.
VD i disagree all you have to do is watch Hatton's performance against Collazo and then watch his best performance's theres big difference Hatton had 5 weeks notice to move up to Welterweight if i remember right both men had about the sametime for training but Hatton looked terrible where as that was Collazo's best performance of his career Hatton had no headmovement and was walking into shots im not trying to make an excuse Collazo fought great fight but that was nowhere near Hatton as his best.
If they both had 5 weeks to prepare than who's fault is that Collazo was 100% but Hatton wasn't? Going into the Collazo fight, Hatton and his team both claim to be in the best shape of his career. All of a sudden he gets his a** beat and he's less than 100%
Blah blah blah
Cant believe u kept taking the bait. Its pathetic.
Is it? this poor fellow is wishing he was a gangster and wants to kill me. I am pissing my pants mate ;D
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Hatton is always in good condition the only fight he wasn't 100 percent in was Collazo fight.
That's bullshit. Hatton was 100% for the Collazo fight. He just got his a** beat. People want to point to the fact that he only had a couple of weeks to prepare for Collazo. So what? Last time I checked Collazo only had a couple weeks to prepare for Hatton.
VD i disagree all you have to do is watch Hatton's performance against Collazo and then watch his best performance's theres big difference Hatton had 5 weeks notice to move up to Welterweight if i remember right both men had about the sametime for training but Hatton looked terrible where as that was Collazo's best performance of his career Hatton had no headmovement and was walking into shots im not trying to make an excuse Collazo fought great fight but that was nowhere near Hatton as his best.
If they both had 5 weeks to prepare than who's fault is that Collazo was 100% but Hatton wasn't? Going into the Collazo fight, Hatton and his team both claim to be in the best shape of his career. All of a sudden he gets his a** beat and he's less than 100%
Blah blah blah
Cant believe u kept taking the bait. Its pathetic.
The poor 'thing' is sending me PM's constantly. Hmmmmmmmmm I will gladly send them on to you
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If they both had 5 weeks to prepare than who's fault is that Collazo was 100% but Hatton wasn't? Going into the Collazo fight, Hatton and his team both claim to be in the best shape of his career. All of a sudden he gets his ass beat and he's less than 100%
Sorry,man. But it wasn't five weeks. It was a bit over seven weeks. March 22 to May 13.
March 23, 2006
Hatton vs. Collazo in Bean Town
Light Welterweight Champ Ricky Hatton`s road to American has been bumpy, but we finally have an opponent and place for his first fight on American Soil. Hatton (40-0, 30KO`s) will be moving up to the Welterweight division to fight WBA Welterweight champ Luis Collazo (26-1, 12KO`s).
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Hatton is always in good condition the only fight he wasn't 100 percent in was Collazo fight.
That's bullshit. Hatton was 100% for the Collazo fight. He just got his a** beat. People want to point to the fact that he only had a couple of weeks to prepare for Collazo. So what? Last time I checked Collazo only had a couple weeks to prepare for Hatton.
VD i disagree all you have to do is watch Hatton's performance against Collazo and then watch his best performance's theres big difference Hatton had 5 weeks notice to move up to Welterweight if i remember right both men had about the sametime for training but Hatton looked terrible where as that was Collazo's best performance of his career Hatton had no headmovement and was walking into shots im not trying to make an excuse Collazo fought great fight but that was nowhere near Hatton as his best.
If they both had 5 weeks to prepare than who's fault is that Collazo was 100% but Hatton wasn't? Going into the Collazo fight, Hatton and his team both claim to be in the best shape of his career. All of a sudden he gets his a** beat and he's less than 100%
Blah blah blah
Cant believe u kept taking the bait. Its pathetic.
Is it? this poor fellow is wishing he was a gangster and wants to kill me. I am pissing my pants mate ;D
But by arguing with him this whole time u sound as bad if not worse. U have made yourself look a fool really. VD talks shit at times but just ignore it, cos he also has a lot of good points too. Let him think he is a gangsta, who cares really. From reading his posts over the last couple of years and reading yours i know he has more knowledge.
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Hatton is always in good condition the only fight he wasn't 100 percent in was Collazo fight.
That's bullshit. Hatton was 100% for the Collazo fight. He just got his a** beat. People want to point to the fact that he only had a couple of weeks to prepare for Collazo. So what? Last time I checked Collazo only had a couple weeks to prepare for Hatton.
VD i disagree all you have to do is watch Hatton's performance against Collazo and then watch his best performance's theres big difference Hatton had 5 weeks notice to move up to Welterweight if i remember right both men had about the sametime for training but Hatton looked terrible where as that was Collazo's best performance of his career Hatton had no headmovement and was walking into shots im not trying to make an excuse Collazo fought great fight but that was nowhere near Hatton as his best.
If they both had 5 weeks to prepare than who's fault is that Collazo was 100% but Hatton wasn't? Going into the Collazo fight, Hatton and his team both claim to be in the best shape of his career. All of a sudden he gets his a** beat and he's less than 100%
Blah blah blah
Cant believe u kept taking the bait. Its pathetic.
Is it? this poor fellow is wishing he was a gangster and wants to kill me. I am pissing my pants mate ;D
But by arguing with him this whole time u sound as bad if not worse. U have made yourself look a fool really. VD talks shit at times but just ignore it, cos he also has a lot of good points too. Let him think he is a gangsta, who cares really. From reading his posts over the last couple of years and reading yours i know he has more knowledge.
He is beat by way of PM!
Ding ding
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
I hate when excuses come out...
Fighter was sick
Fighter was injured
Fighters nail hurt
Fighters ear caught a cramp
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Utter bullshit.... You come to a fight and accept the end result for what it is (Exlcuding robberies)
That's why at least for me I'll ALWAYS praise fighters of the past cause the real oldschool one's just moved forward. As I've said before if they lost, guess what theirs always tommorrow. If they lost they knew that come the next fight night they needed a win and they needed a big win. Nowadays it's always something, I had a bad breakfast. My socks, my trunks, the corner, the fans....
It's always something.
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
Mick,
But this is a different era.
In the old days, if a guy lost, he coukld avenge that fight in two months. Today, top guys only fight twice a year. So a loss means MUCH more. A loss effectively robs you of almost a year of your career.
For example. Antonio Margarito went into training camp in April for his July fight with P-Dub. He loses. He is then relegated to fighting a scrub on an undercard in his next fight. At best, he'll get a spring date with a top guy. And that puts him basically back to where he was.
Only the Oscars of the world can take a loss and not have it derail his career.
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
What i hate lately on this forum is the fanboyism. Its running rampant. They give their opponents no credit ever and always gang up on anyone who says anything negative about their precious boys.
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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What i hate lately on this forum is the fanboyism. Its running rampant. They give their opponents no credit ever and always gang up on anyone who says anything negative about their precious boys.
CC#124...I whole heartedly agree....Though it is only a certain few I won't name names but I think we all know who....God forbid you don't give their guy credit but they sure as hell will not give any to anyone else :-\
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Mick,
But this is a different era.
In the old days, if a guy lost, he coukld avenge that fight in two months. Today, top guys only fight twice a year. So a loss means MUCH more. A loss effectively robs you of almost a year of your career.
I understand it's a different era and that is exactly why those fighters will always get much more respect.
In the words of Mike Tyson: "I'm from their cloth"
Those fighters we're cut from a different cloth.
Because fighters today fight less doesn't mean they have to have an excuse for loosing.
Arce got his ASS! handed to him by Mijares and has fought back and well. His post fight interview was something like:
"I underestimated him, I talked the talk and he walked the walk. He beat me no excuses here I'll train even harder next time and now I've learned not to underestimante anyone"
As for the robbing of a career, again that all depends on a fighter if he can get back in the ring and just bounce back by fighting back the fans will respect that and those same fans will raise him to the top.
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For example. Antonio Margarito went into training camp in April for his July fight with P-Dub. He loses. He is then relegated to fighting a scrub on an undercard in his next fight. At best, he'll get a spring date with a top guy. And that puts him basically back to where he was.
I understand all that.
But my point is that fighters need to learn to just move on. You loose but you come back and you win and you regain whatever status it is that you felt you had. Going by todays standards then no ones ever really lost cause something always goes wrong, someones always sick or injured.
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
Mick,
The old-school cats (who call blacks "moolies"*) HAD to fight often to make a decent buck. Also, they relied on the GATE to make money.
In today's era, a guy relies on PPV receipts. And the networks need X amount of weeks to adequately promote the fight and to execute their marketing plan.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
The fighters didn't inherently change. The syatem changed, and that caused the fighters to evolve. They are products of their environment. As it should be.
Our grandfathers worked for one company for 35 years. Us? We switch jobs every few years. We now manage our own careers.
Just my observation. And, yes. I agree that the whole excuse-making stuff is annoying. Ike Quartey has never lost a fight.
*Biggie
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Mick,
The old-school cats (who call blacks "moolies"*) HAD to fight often to make a decent buck. Also, they relied on the GATE to make money.
In today's era, a guy relies on PPV receipts. And the networks need X amount of weeks to adequately promote the fight and to execute their marketing plan.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
The fighters didn't inherently change. The syatem changed, and that caused the fighters to evolve. They are products of their environment. As it should be.
Our grandfathers worked for one company for 35 years. Us? We switch jobs every few years. We now manage our own careers.
Just my observation. And, yes. I agree that the whole excuse-making stuff is annoying. Ike Quartey has never lost a fight.
*Biggie
WTF. Tony Robbins or some s!!!?
You lost me on "Moolies".So old school equals a universal prejudice??
Just my Intrusive Opinion but you took a valid point and redused it for a sidebar response.All sizzle and no steak!
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
I'm glad Hatton's in the best condition ever, I never doubted for a minute though that he wouldn't be for this fight. Condition is one thing though & ability is another & IMO Floyd is just gonna be better! I'm hoping for a great fight but I think Mayweather will fight to sensibly to make things exciting. But that's why the games called the sweet science!
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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I thought this thread had something to do with Hatton ...
Pretty juvenile stuff, guys. Makes neither of you look cool. And it doesn't make for very good reading, either.
Sorry, he chooses to do it on the main board, I
sent a PM to him. I apologise. I'm just gonna ignore him, he aint got a hope anyway.
This clown is trying to talk tough vie PM. It's good comedy.
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
jst a side note as people are bringing up Collazo as a reason why Hatton wont do well agaisnt Mayweather at welterweight....yea Hatton had as much time to prepare for the fight as Collazo but Hatton didnt know from the off wen he woz given a date for his next fight after Carlos Maussa that he would be fighting at welterweight,i forget who his orginal opponent woz meant to be but up until 5 wks b4 it woz meant to be at Light-welterweight and then that fighter pulled out and he woz offered a chance to move up and fight Collazo at welterweight for the WBA title instead so from that perspective yea him and Collazo had as much time as each other to prepare but considering how Hatton woz moving up a weight class but Collazo woz training for a fight at his natural weight anyway thats how Collazo had a slight advantage going into it.
As for hattons poor preparations thats true...he didnt prepare properly,he ate the wrong foods to bulk up and what not,he even admitted after that he allowed himself the odd takeaway and he underestimated Collazo,he said on the night of the fight he came in at abt 158 lbs!!...so there u go,thats how he put on a sup-par performance against Collazo,he hadnt the ideal prep for the fight,woznt in the best condition he cld hav been........i got this info from interviews with Hatton and his trainer etc from the build up programmes on the Setanta tv channel in the UK in the build-up to his fight against Castillo
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
Hatton is in good shape for this fight or great shape for that fight or not so good for the other fight but Mayweather is always in great shape training or not i think Ricky's in for alot of trouble this ain't old Tszyu or Castillo or even nobody Urango this is Floyd Mayweather get ready for ricky's 0 to go
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
I think conditioning wise hatton will be more than ready, it's skill wise that worries me about hatton. I belive he will give a great effort and leave he and his fans nothing to be ashamed of.
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Hmm, wasn't De La Hoya in "the best shape of his life" before he got outpointed for 12 rounds? It's a common theme with these guys.
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I just read the article and thought it was entertaining. But there was a lot of BS in it. All that "Mayweather is a small ww, Collazo was a big ww" crap. Mayweather is still bigger than Hatton, and has a nice height and reach advantage. And Hatton camp is still making excuses for the Collazo fight.
I was surprised there was not an excuse for his Urango fight in there as well, a fight where he gassed out and failed to impress against a very one dimensional fighter. Figure they would have covered that one too.
The funny thing is, I think Hatton might actually believe he can win. He has proved nothing since his win against Tszyu. I dont count beating a very noticeably washed up Castillo as proving something.
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The funny thing is, I think Hatton might actually believe he can win. He has proved nothing since his win against Tszyu. I dont count beating a very noticeably washed up Castillo as proving something.
Hatton is on an all-time confidence high after stopping Castillo. The thing about Hatton is that he doesn't understand what "elite competition" really is. So that confidence is probably a bit misplaced. The Floyd that he will see is FAAAR better than anyone he has faced.
Tszyu was an excellent fighter. But, come on. Let's face it. Not the version that Hatton fought. That version of Tszyu was 36 years old and had more surgeries than fights in the years leading up to that fight. How am I to believe that a guy had a lot left in the tank when he retired after the fight?
Castillo was an excellent fighter in his day. The JLC that Floyd and Chico fought was an A-level guy. But Hatton faced a guy who was coming off major weight issues, financial problems, the death of his brother and looked just plain lousy in the two fights preceding the Hatton bout.
I read an article where Hatton was listing Freddie Pendleton as an example of the elite competition he has faced. Yes. Really. 38 year old, 25-loss Freddie Pendleton.
Floyd is OFTEN disingenuous. He calls Gatti a C-class fighter before the bout, and calls Gatti a paper champion. Then when FMJ wins the belt, it is suddenly the REAL belt. Yeah, I know that the belt doesn't make the fighter, the fighter makes the belt. But still.
Floyd has been in the ring with PRIME, elite guys. Ricky has not. Yet. Floyd is his first. I think that difference will show up on 12/8. Hatton is in for more than he expects.Speed-wise... and, surprisingly, strength/power also.
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The funny thing is, I think Hatton might actually believe he can win. He has proved nothing since his win against Tszyu. I dont count beating a very noticeably washed up Castillo as proving something.
Hatton is on an all-time confidence high after stopping Castillo. The thing about Hatton is that he doesn't understand what "elite competition" really is. So that confidence is probably a bit misplaced. The Floyd that he will see is FAAAR better than anyone he has faced.
Tszyu was an excellent fighter. But, come on. Let's face it. Not the version that Hatton fought. That version of Tszyu was 36 years old and had more surgeries than fights in the years leading up to that fight. How am I to believe that a guy had a lot left in the tank when he retired after the fight?
Castillo was an excellent fighter in his day. The JLC that Floyd and Chico fought was an A-level guy. But Hatton faced a guy who was coming off major weight issues, financial problems, the death of his brother and looked just plain lousy in the
two fights preceding the Hatton bout.
I read an article where Hatton was listing Freddie Pendleton as an example of the elite competition he has faced. Yes. Really. 38 year old, 25-loss Freddie Pendleton.
Floyd is OFTEN disingenuous. He calls Gatti a C-class fighter before the bout, and calls Gatti a paper champion. Then when FMJ wins the belt, it is suddenly the REAL belt. Yeah, I know that the belt doesn't make the fighter, the fighter makes the belt. But still.
Floyd has been in the ring with PRIME, elite guys. Ricky has not. Yet. Floyd is his first. I think that difference will show up on 12/8. Hatton is in for more than he expects.Speed-wise... and, surprisingly, strength/power also.
DIOS, you put that about as well as I can imagine anyone doing. You covered a lot and I agree with every bit of it. Cool click #8.
I will be interested to how Hatton fans will respond to these facts :laugh:
I am not crazy about Floyd lately, but that is mostly based on his past few fights lacking some of the raw action that I usually like to see. At the same time I can not blame him, his skill is such that he can win a fight comfortably and take very few punches in the process. There is no doubt in my mind that he is the undisputed p4p best boxer in the world today.
I think he may have a little coming out as the Floyd of old and do a number on Hatton. He has little to be afraid of with Hatton imo. I think he will get in there and exchange a bit with Hatton as well, create some action, win over some more fans, and silence his many detractors.
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I am not crazy about Floyd lately, but that is mostly based on his past few fights lacking some of the raw action that I usually like to see. At the same time I can not blame him, his skill is such that he can win a fight comfortably and take very few punches in the process. There is no doubt in my mind that he is the undisputed p4p best boxer in the world today.
I think he may have a little coming out as the Floyd of old and do a number on Hatton. He has little to be afraid of with Hatton imo. I think he will get in there and exchange a bit with Hatton as well, create some action, win over some more fans, and silence his many detractors.
Megathanx, Das.
Floyd's work at 147 is impressive mainly in the sense that he has fought much bigger men. After the Collazo fight, Hatton remarked how strong LC was and Ricky admitted that he isn't a welter. Well, FMJ weighs less than Ricky does. So FMJ definitely is not a WW either. Floyd can/should be toiling at 135/140. Fighting voluntarily above your natural weight is hard stuff, and should be recognized.
Remember, when SRL went to 160, he didn't try to hunt guys down. He danced, danced, danced. Remember the Hagler fight? MMH was saying "fight me, you bitch".
At 140, Floyd's work was beyond reproach...even if his competition was soft-ish.
DeMarcus Corley - 3 knockdowns en route to a dominant decision.
Henry Bruseles - 2 knockdowns, vicious bodyshots and Bruseles corner quits.
Arturo Gatti - that wasn't a fight. It was a friggin' 6-round snuff film.
Sharmba Mitchell* - 2 knockdown, and a 6th round stoppage.
What's to complain about that? And Floyd didn't "run" in any of those fights, despite being the smaller man.
My guess is that the people who call him Gayfeather, or Mayrunner really started watching boxing for "The World Awaits".
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Hmm, wasn't De La Hoya in "the best shape of his life" before he got outpointed for 12 rounds? It's a common theme with these guys.
He was in the best shape he could ever be in at that time.
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
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Originally Posted by dasamm
I am not crazy about Floyd lately, but that is mostly based on his past few fights lacking some of the raw action that I usually like to see. At the same time I can not blame him, his skill is such that he can win a fight comfortably and take very few punches in the process. There is no doubt in my mind that he is the undisputed p4p best boxer in the world today.
I think he may have a little coming out as the Floyd of old and do a number on Hatton. He has little to be afraid of with Hatton imo. I think he will get in there and exchange a bit with Hatton as well, create some action, win over some more fans, and silence his many detractors.
Megathanx, Das.
Floyd's work at 147 is impressive mainly in the sense that he has fought much bigger men. After the Collazo fight, Hatton remarked how strong LC was and Ricky admitted that he isn't a welter. Well, FMJ weighs less than Ricky does. So FMJ definitely is not a WW either. Floyd can/should be toiling at 135/140. Fighting
voluntarily above your natural weight is hard stuff, and should be recognized.
Remember, when SRL went to 160, he didn't try to hunt guys down. He danced, danced, danced. Remember the Hagler fight? MMH was saying "fight me, you bitch".
At 140, Floyd's work was beyond reproach...even if his competition was soft-ish.
DeMarcus Corley - 3 knockdowns en route to a dominant decision.
Henry Bruseles - 2 knockdowns, vicious bodyshots and Bruseles corner quits.
Arturo Gatti - that wasn't a fight. It was a friggin' 6-round
snuff film.
Sharmba Mitchell* - 2 knockdown, and a 6th round stoppage.
What's to complain about that? And Floyd didn't "run" in any of those fights, despite being the smaller man.
My guess is that the people who call him Gayfeather, or Mayrunner really started watching boxing for "The World Awaits".
Welcome, great posting. I must have missed many of your posts. Moving house and all ;)
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
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Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
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Originally Posted by dasamm
I am not crazy about Floyd lately, but that is mostly based on his past few fights lacking some of the raw action that I usually like to see.  At the same time I can not blame him, his skill is such that he can win a fight comfortably and take very few punches in the process.  There is no doubt in my mind that he is the undisputed p4p best boxer in the world today.
I think he may have a little coming out as the Floyd of old and do a number on Hatton.  He has little to be afraid of with Hatton imo.  I think he will get in there and exchange a bit with Hatton as well, create some action, win over some more fans, and silence his many detractors. 
Megathanx, Das.
Floyd's work at 147 is impressive mainly in the sense that he has fought much bigger men. After the Collazo fight, Hatton remarked how strong LC was and Ricky admitted that he isn't a welter. Well, FMJ weighs less than Ricky does. So FMJ definitely is not a WW either. Floyd can/should be toiling at 135/140. Fighting
voluntarily above your natural weight is hard stuff, and should be recognized.
Remember, when SRL went to 160, he didn't try to hunt guys down. He danced, danced, danced. Remember the Hagler fight? MMH was saying "fight me, you bitch".
At 140, Floyd's work was beyond reproach...even if his competition was soft-ish.
DeMarcus Corley - 3 knockdowns en route to a dominant decision.
Henry Bruseles - 2 knockdowns, vicious bodyshots and Bruseles corner quits.
Arturo Gatti - that wasn't a fight. It was a friggin'  6-round
snuff film.
Sharmba Mitchell* - 2 knockdown, and a 6th round stoppage.
What's to complain about that? And Floyd didn't "run" in any of those fights, despite being the smaller man.
My guess is that the people who call him Gayfeather, or Mayrunner really started watching boxing for "The World Awaits".
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very good insightful posting. Also if Ricky was a success at 147 and his camp was confident of his abilities they would have stayed and quote unquote put on the weight properly. and honored the rematch he promised Collazzo on worldwide Tv, instead he packs up and scurries back to 140 and fought a guy with an alphabet title who had about 18 pro fights and one dimensional so Ricky could dazzle against a guy that wasnt gonna be hard to find that was unexperienced, shiit defense but it backfired he looked less than menaceing and all of a sudden damage control kicks in and he has the flu or some mess.Next in line you got shot azz Castillo moving up in weight cause he cant do 135 anymore who by know ones suprise of the outcome seeing you already saw what he had to offer when he got beat and then got a gift against Herman Nogoujo who had but 16 fights, Castillo looked lethargic slow and well past it, then suprise suprise he looks EXACTLY the same against Hatton, Ricky gets him with a body shot. Then Ricky is vaunted for doing something extradoniary ::** Castillo was nothing like the guy that Floyd fought 2x 5 years ago.
Mayweather TKO round 6-7
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Re: Hatton in 'best ever condition'
I keep seeing that Hatton got his a** beat by Luis Collazo. I've seen the fight 4 times. All four times he got a UD. Nothing ever changed. I was kind of shocked. The recording never changed. The fight looked the exactly the same everytime. Ricky got SMACKED in the final round. 10 Seconds later he's back on the attack. These Collazo posts are confusing me. At no point did I ever think Hatton was losing that fight..ever. I'll grant you this... he didn't look the same, but getting his butt kicked? You gotta be kidding me.
