Re: All You Floyd Haters Remember One Thing
Guys who were hated in their Prime:
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey Jake LaMotta
Jack Johnson
Harry Greb
Pernell Whittaker
It's not gonna bother Floyd to much what we think of him when he's sitting next to the fire in the HoF!
Once again I certainly hope Ricky can pull this one off. He looks fit from trining vids, although iv seen him leaner (probably due ti the luxury of the 7lbs...) He does look a good deal bigger and wider, seems to be throwing less shots in training but they all look like they're landing with one purpose so perhaps their plan is just to implement blunt force trauma.
Re: All You Floyd Haters Remember One Thing
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Originally Posted by global
Floyd is giving Hatton the chance to stake a claim at P4P #1, that is an opportunity for any fighter regardless of how much money he could make fighting a bum instead or how many seats he sells at Wembley.
Going by that train of thought you could just as easily say Hatton is giving Mayweather the chance to stay at number 1p4p.
Who was the last p4p fighter Mayweather fought?
He wasn't going to stay at number 1 for much longer when you have guys like Hopkins, Pac, Calzaghe etc... recently competing with other p4p fighters.
So as well as Floyd giving Hatton the opportunity to fight for the p4p crown, Hatton is (by your analogy) giving Floyd the opportunity to hang on to the crown.
Re: All You Floyd Haters Remember One Thing
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by global
Floyd is giving Hatton the chance to stake a claim at P4P #1, that is an opportunity for any fighter regardless of how much money he could make fighting a bum instead or how many seats he sells at Wembley.
Going by that train of thought you could just as easily say Hatton is giving Mayweather the chance to stay at number 1p4p.
Who was the last p4p fighter Mayweather fought?
He wasn't going to stay at number 1 for much longer when you have guys like Hopkins, Pac, Calzaghe etc... recently competing with other p4p fighters.
So as well as Floyd giving Hatton the opportunity to fight for the p4p crown, Hatton is (by your analogy) giving Floyd the opportunity to hang on to the crown.
A great point Ono. :coolclick:
Re: All You Floyd Haters Remember One Thing
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Being the bad guy works for some better than being the down to earth homebwoy from Manchester or the luveable latino from...well...wherever Oscar claims to hail from. ;D
CC Wacko - you know I can't stand Mayweather, but I respect what he can do inside and outside the ring. He knows his business.
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by global
Floyd is giving Hatton the chance to stake a claim at P4P #1, that is an opportunity for any fighter regardless of how much money he could make fighting a bum instead or how many seats he sells at Wembley.
Going by that train of thought you could just as easily say Hatton is giving Mayweather the chance to stay at number 1p4p.
Who was the last p4p fighter Mayweather fought?
He wasn't going to stay at number 1 for much longer when you have guys like Hopkins, Pac, Calzaghe etc... recently competing with other p4p fighters.
So as well as Floyd giving Hatton the opportunity to fight for the p4p crown, Hatton is (by your analogy) giving Floyd the opportunity to hang on to the crown.
CC for that one, too - both fighters are getting a lot out of this fight. Aside from the mountains of cash, they both stand to gain from this fight. Floyd needs more top-quality names on his resume, especially since he obviously wants to be known as an ATG. He's had a great career, but he probably needs a few more wins against superior, p4p fighters if he wants the legacy. And Ricky gets to test himself against the best boxer in the world. Honestly, it's win-win for Hatton, even in defeat...especially if he puts on a good showing, which I really think he will. A Hatton win propels him to the top of the business.
I think they both benefit a lot from this matchup.
Re: All You Floyd Haters Remember One Thing
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by global
Floyd is giving Hatton the chance to stake a claim at P4P #1, that is an opportunity for any fighter regardless of how much money he could make fighting a bum instead or how many seats he sells at Wembley.
Who was the last p4p fighter Mayweather fought?
He wasn't going to stay at number 1 for much longer when you have guys like Hopkins, Pac, Calzaghe etc... recently competing with other p4p fighters.
So as well as Floyd giving Hatton the opportunity to fight for the p4p crown, Hatton is (by your analogy) giving Floyd the opportunity to hang on to the crown.
Both my point and your point are both subjective but the burden of proof is my way and here is why
Calzaghe- hasnt fought a PFP fighter
Hopkins- Yea he fought Winky who is a Middle weight that gained over 10lbs for a one time catchweight close to Lightheavy before that he beat a 6'2 walking milkdud and previous to that he lost to Taylor 2x
Pac hasnt fought a PFP fighter since he fought Barrera the 1st time and maybe Morales back in 2004
Hatton hasnt beat a PFP fighter unless Tszyu was still considered after his layoff, Castillo was shot as all hell too
Same as Floyd I dont recall him fighting any PFP recently or ever, so there all in the same boat, thats why its called PFP there not all in the same weight class and are often to many weights apart that the lighter guy is given up so much weight it would change his whole style, like Hopkins vs Wright
Nice try and I give you and A for effort but nothing doing pal  ;)
Re: All You Floyd Haters Remember One Thing
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by global
Floyd is giving Hatton the chance to stake a claim at P4P #1, that is an opportunity for any fighter regardless of how much money he could make fighting a bum instead or how many seats he sells at Wembley.
Who was the last p4p fighter Mayweather fought?
He wasn't going to stay at number 1 for much longer when you have guys like Hopkins, Pac, Calzaghe etc... recently competing with other p4p fighters.
So as well as Floyd giving Hatton the opportunity to fight for the p4p crown, Hatton is (by your analogy) giving Floyd the opportunity to hang on to the crown.
Both my point and your point are both subjective but the burden of proof is my way and here is whyCalzaghe- hasnt fought a PFP fighter
Hopkins- Yea he fought Winky who is a Middle weight that gained over 10lbs for a one time catchweight close to Lightheavy before that he beat a 6'2 walking milkdud and previous to that he lost to Taylor 2x
Pac hasnt fought a PFP fighter since he fought Barrera the 1st time and maybe Morales back in 2004
Hatton hasnt beat a PFP fighter unless Tszyu was still considered after his layoff,
Castillo was shot as all hell too
Same as Floyd I dont recall him fighting any PFP recently or ever, so there all in the same boat, thats why its called PFP there not all in the same weight class and are often to many weights apart that the lighter guy is given up so much weight it would change his whole style, like Hopkins vs Wright
Nice try and I give you and A for effort but nothing doing pal ;)
Thats the thing though.....i don't agree with my own point. I was raising it to make a point to 'global.'
Thats what i meant by "Going by that train of thought you could just as easily say Hatton is giving Mayweather the chance to stay at number 1p4p."
While i don't agree with your initial post on this thread, i don't entirely disagree with it. I see your reasoning.
One thing i definately don't agree with is the Castillo part (see above)
In your opinion he might have been shot but scanning through the p4p lists on this forum from just before the fight, Castillo was ranked in the top ten by quite a lot of members on here.
Re: All You Floyd Haters Remember One Thing
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by global
Floyd is giving Hatton the chance to stake a claim at P4P #1, that is an opportunity for any fighter regardless of how much money he could make fighting a bum instead or how many seats he sells at Wembley.
Who was the last p4p fighter Mayweather fought?
He wasn't going to stay at number 1 for much longer when you have guys like Hopkins, Pac, Calzaghe etc... recently competing with other p4p fighters.
So as well as Floyd giving Hatton the opportunity to fight for the p4p crown, Hatton is (by your analogy) giving Floyd the opportunity to hang on to the crown.
Both my point and your point are both subjective but the burden of proof is my way and here is whyCalzaghe- hasnt fought a PFP fighter
Hopkins- Yea he fought Winky who is a Middle weight that gained over 10lbs for a one time catchweight close to Lightheavy before that he beat a 6'2 walking milkdud and previous to that he lost to Taylor 2x
Pac hasnt fought a PFP fighter since he fought Barrera the 1st time and maybe Morales back in 2004
Hatton hasnt beat a PFP fighter unless Tszyu was still considered after his layoff,
Castillo was shot as all hell too
Same as Floyd I dont recall him fighting any PFP recently or ever, so there all in the same boat, thats why its called PFP there not all in the same weight class and are often to many weights apart that the lighter guy is given up so much weight it would change his whole style, like Hopkins vs Wright
Nice try and I give you and A for effort but nothing doing pal  ;)
Thats the thing though.....i don't agree with my own point. I was raising it to make a point to 'global.'
Thats what i meant by "
Going by that train of thought you could just as easily say Hatton is giving Mayweather the chance to stay at number 1p4p."
While i don't agree with your initial post on this thread, i don't entirely disagree with it. I see your reasoning.
One thing i definately don't agree with is the Castillo part (see above)
In your opinion he might have been shot but scanning through the p4p lists on this forum from just before the fight, Castillo was ranked in the top ten by quite a lot of members on here.
I guess its a cultural thing too, I mean I here how Hatton is a God in Manchester but when you got HBO doing a reality TV show on you it kinda takes you to another level here in the states. Thats one of the things that created grandiose fan fare foe Delahoya Mayweather and now Mayweather Hatton.
So I am cool with agreeing to disagree with you  ;)
:coolclick: # 260 for the good debate
Re: All You Floyd Haters Remember One Thing
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ono
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Originally Posted by global
Floyd is giving Hatton the chance to stake a claim at P4P #1, that is an opportunity for any fighter regardless of how much money he could make fighting a bum instead or how many seats he sells at Wembley.
Who was the last p4p fighter Mayweather fought?
He wasn't going to stay at number 1 for much longer when you have guys like Hopkins, Pac, Calzaghe etc... recently competing with other p4p fighters.
So as well as Floyd giving Hatton the opportunity to fight for the p4p crown, Hatton is (by your analogy) giving Floyd the opportunity to hang on to the crown.
Both my point and your point are both subjective but the burden of proof is my way and here is whyCalzaghe- hasnt fought a PFP fighter
Hopkins- Yea he fought Winky who is a Middle weight that gained over 10lbs for a one time catchweight close to Lightheavy before that he beat a 6'2 walking milkdud and previous to that he lost to Taylor 2x
Pac hasnt fought a PFP fighter since he fought Barrera the 1st time and maybe Morales back in 2004
Hatton hasnt beat a PFP fighter unless Tszyu was still considered after his layoff,
Castillo was shot as all hell too
Same as Floyd I dont recall him fighting any PFP recently or ever, so there all in the same boat, thats why its called PFP there not all in the same weight class and are often to many weights apart that the lighter guy is given up so much weight it would change his whole style, like Hopkins vs Wright
Nice try and I give you and A for effort but nothing doing pal ;)
Thats the thing though.....i don't agree with my own point. I was raising it to make a point to 'global.'
Thats what i meant by "
Going by that train of thought you could just as easily say Hatton is giving Mayweather the chance to stay at number 1p4p."
While i don't agree with your initial post on this thread, i don't entirely disagree with it. I see your reasoning.
One thing i definately don't agree with is the Castillo part (see above)
In your opinion he might have been shot but scanning through the p4p lists on this forum from just before the fight, Castillo was ranked in the top ten by quite a lot of members on here.
I guess its a cultural thing too, I mean I here how Hatton is a God in Manchester but when you got HBO doing a reality TV show on you it kinda takes you to another level here in the states. Thats one of the things that created grandiose fan fare foe Delahoya Mayweather and now Mayweather Hatton.
So I am cool with agreeing to disagree with you ;)
:coolclick: # 260 for the good debate
[b]I guess its a cultural thing too, I mean I here how Hatton is a God in Manchester but when you got HBO doing a reality TV show on you it kinda takes you to another level here in the states.[/b
Agreed 100%
:coolclick: returned
good stuff.
