Who's stock went down the most this year?

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Mick's "homeboy" Pongsaklek Wonjongkam stock went way down by losing to the very underrated Daisuke Naito

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Phuck! that punk ass bitch!
That muthaphucker never had stock and punk ass Jose to for letthing his ass get away with that shit. >:mad



How about Dunne, his stock certainly dropped.

Rey Bautista ??

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Mick's "homeboy" Pongsaklek Wonjongkam stock went way down by losing to the very underrated Daisuke Naito

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Phuck! that punk ass bitch!
That muthaphucker never had stock and punk ass Jose to for letthing his ass get away with that shit. >:mad



How about Dunne, his stock certainly dropped.

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Dunne was one whose stocked I enjoyed watching drop

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Rey Bautista ??

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Good one. De Leon turned him into Bumtista

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Rey Bautista ??

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Good one. De Leon turned him into Bumtista

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Yep. Thats right, and I was there to see it LIVE Ringside for my first live fight. It was fukin awesome!!! 8)

Castillo
Taylor...
Umm...

Bernard Dunne!!!

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Castillo
Taylor...
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Bernard Dunne!!!

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This is purely a hunch and I can't tell for sure, but something in your above post has lead me to detect a hint of sarcasm. I'll examine the evidence further.

Just a little sarcasm :)

Poor Dunne, dropped by the Media as quickly as Martinez dropped him...
And even more crushing Duddy and Lee were right there waiting to take his place...

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Cintron
Castillo
Vargas
Peter
Judah
Miranda
Mora

Not all disappointing performances but i believe there stock has gone well down.

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I disagree with most of these to be honest. Very few rated Cintron at the start of the year as anything beyond a puncher. If anything his stock was rising until his fight with Feliciano now he's just back where he was at the start of the year certainly no worse.

Castillo's stock hasn't dropped in a legacy defining sense, he just got old and has had too many wars. Nobody denies he was still a great great fighter and borderline hall of fame possibility.

Vargas has just shown us that he has nothing left, his overall legacy as a fighter wasn't dependant on the Mayorga fight he's just finished that's all.

Zab Judah started the year as one of the most maligned and ridiculed fighters in boxing. His loss to Cotto if anything raised his stock slightly as it showed his chin and heart wern't as weak as is often suggested.

Sam Peter I guess you could say got exposed kind of after having been caught by McCline, but he weathered the storm and came back to win which few fighters so in that situation so he's still the best heavy without a belt for me.

Miranda's HBO hype bubble was certainly burst though, agree with that one.

As for Mora I think only myself and Danny G ever rated him anyway so a draw after a year's layoff probably didn't change many people's minds one way or the other.


For myself the biggest losers are as follows.

Jermain Taylor, one poor showing after another then to get knocked out, his name is mud prerry much now.

Joel Casamayor, From being the ultra avoided Ring Champ and undisputedly The Man at lightweight, he's now become an old sluggish weary fighter whose about as exciting to watch as Zahir Raheem and who hung onto his belt only thanks to one of the worst judging decisions in recent history.

Acelino Freitas, not because he lost to Juan Diaz, no disgrace in that but quitting on his stool for the second time in his career will be a stain on his legacy forever. He'll forever be known as a quitter.

Jorge Arce. So popular and exciting to watch but we've learned in his last two fights that he's not nearly the best super flyweight in the world and is never going to be the unifying champion HBO made him out to be.

Darchinyan, same as Arce his chin looks weak, his defense poor and now he's playing catchup to guys like Donaire, Mijares, Naito etc.

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Very good post, which I agree with almost totally. Although it should be noted about Miranda that his stock IMO really took off after beating Allan Green in March.

Which lead me to include Allan Green as a possible candidate as well. Not so much because he lost to Miranda, but because he actually looked afraid in there.

Noone dropped as much in 2007 as Lacy in 2006, but a few other candidates for the 'title' could be (not in particular order, except from from HW and down):

- James Toney: Started the year by rematching Peter, ends it by being completely irrelevant to the division. Peter could be mentioned, but he did defeat McCline in the end.
- Shannon Briggs: From world champ to irrelevant (sort of)
- Valuev: Not out of the picture and with an eliminator lined up, but that record was what made him interesting.
- O Neill Bell: From Ring champ to 'Where does he fit in the picture?'
- Virgil Hill: At the end of his career, but surely a honourable mention for a (Regular) World champ who loses both fights of the year - to fighters with a combined age of 80 years.
- Jermain Taylor: Came into the year undefeated MW/HBO-king, but essentially lost twice in two fights. Sure he has had controversial wins before, but those were against Hopkins - who at 160 is quite a different story than Cory Spinks.
- Kassim Ouma: Did ok against Taylor in Dec06 - then fights once in 07 and loses. To Saul Roman.
- Antonio Margarito: Went from being 'first contender' and (supposedly) "ducked by Floyd" to being one of many in a deep division.
- Joel Casamayor: Bilbo already explained brilliantly.
- Acelino Freitas: Same as above.
- Bernard Dunne: Not exactly looking like the future of the division.
- Arce: Exposed.
- Vic: Exposed.

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Zab's stock goes up and down more than he did with Kostya ::**

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His stock goes up and down more then Jenna Jameson does in a movie. ;D

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Wow CMM, being a little hard on Zab aren't you? :D Speaking of Jenna, damn that girl is looking tore up these days :-\

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Rey Bautista ??

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Good one. De Leon turned him into Bumtista

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I dont no how you can call him a bum because he lost his first title fight? De Leon is an animal and Rey B got in with him at the wrong time, he needed more experience and i would favour De Leon to knock most people out in his weight class. To call him a bum is narrow minded, hes young and learning his trade. He will be a champion one day, but as i said at the time taking this fight was the wrong thing to do. Hes fighting this week so we will see how he gets on.

I believe if Barrera loses another one his stock will go down. Definatly mirandas has gone down, but in saying that i still believe he can be a major force in his class.

Jermain Taylor was the biggest flop in Boxing this year Hands Down!

Vargas, Miranda , Taylor and Byrd

calvin brock, jermain taylor, james toney, vic darchiniyan, Acelino Freitas, juan castillio, carlos baldomir

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calvin brock, jermain taylor, james toney, vic darchiniyan, Acelino Freitas, juan castillio, carlos baldomir

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I hadn't thought of Brock. Damn shame too, I like that guy.

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calvin brock, jermain taylor, james toney, vic darchiniyan, Acelino Freitas, juan castillio, carlos baldomir

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good list

judah
casyamor horrible comeback
maskaev for being a pussy
holyfield that lost got peope off the band wagon

r.marquez i aint saying he suck, but that lost put him in the backseat and if he would of beat vazquez a 2nd time it would of been like tim austin all o over again

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Zab's stock goes up and down more than he did with Kostya ::**

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His stock goes up and down more then Jenna Jameson does in a movie. ;D

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Wow CMM, being a little hard on Zab aren't you? :D Speaking of Jenna, damn that girl is looking tore up these days :-\

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It's that fucken thin/skinny image that shes got from Hollywood. Plus you gotta add the endless hours of ummm! work :fking: :lickish:

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Zab's stock goes up and down more than he did with Kostya ::**

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His stock goes up and down more then Jenna Jameson does in a movie. ;D

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Wow CMM, being a little hard on Zab aren't you? :D Speaking of Jenna, damn that girl is looking tore up these days :-\

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It's that fucken thin/skinny image that shes got from Hollywood. Plus you gotta add the endless hours of ummm! work :fking: :lickish:

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I thought it was all that crystal meth

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Zab's stock goes up and down more than he did with Kostya ::**

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His stock goes up and down more then Jenna Jameson does in a movie. ;D

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Wow CMM, being a little hard on Zab aren't you? :D Speaking of Jenna, damn that girl is looking tore up these days :-\

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It's that fucken thin/skinny image that shes got from Hollywood. Plus you gotta add the endless hours of ummm! work :fking: :lickish:

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Yeah Tito Ortiz probably did some ground and pound on that sh#t. Her kooch is probably so big she could skydive without the chute :laugh: Check her out in Howard Sterns' movie Private Parts, she looked NICE!!

Tarver- went from legend killer to fighting 48th ranked guys.

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Zab's stock goes up and down more than he did with Kostya ::**

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His stock goes up and down more then Jenna Jameson does in a movie. ;D

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Wow CMM, being a little hard on Zab aren't you? :D Speaking of Jenna, damn that girl is looking tore up these days :-\

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It's that fucken thin/skinny image that shes got from Hollywood. Plus you gotta add the endless hours of ummm! work :fking: :lickish:

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I thought it was all that crystal meth

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Plus that... :)

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Zab's stock goes up and down more than he did with Kostya ::**

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His stock goes up and down more then Jenna Jameson does in a movie. ;D

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Wow CMM, being a little hard on Zab aren't you? :D Speaking of Jenna, damn that girl is looking tore up these days :-\

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It's that fucken thin/skinny image that shes got from Hollywood. Plus you gotta add the endless hours of ummm! work :fking: :lickish:

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Yeah Tito Ortiz probably did some ground and pound on that sh#t. Her kooch is probably so big she could skydive without the chute :laugh: Check her out in Howard Sterns' movie Private Parts, she looked NICE!!

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;D
The hell with that, check out "I Dream of Jenna" ;)

Well, MAB's legacy took a hit this year, he should have just called it a career last year ;D

Personally, in my eyes Taylor's stock went up in the Pavlik fight. He showed guts and a willingness to trade, no snoozefests like some of his other fights.

just as Bernard Dunne looked like making himself a world contended he got
ruined! can't see him ever getting his stock back up

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just as Bernard Dunne looked like making himself a world contended he got
ruined! can't see him ever getting his stock back up

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True enough.
Phil ur from Dublin?

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just as Bernard Dunne looked like making himself a world contended he got
ruined! can't see him ever getting his stock back up

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True enough.
Phil ur from Dublin?

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yeah man, got to support the hometown fighter but can't see Dunne coming back from
that defeat. Apperently he's joined the Dublin Fire Brigade now ???

Calzaghe had the most drastic change in stock this year for sure..Went way down after fighting 'contender' Peter Manfredo then spiked something big when he had the most impressive win of his career against Mikkel Kessler!

What do you guys think happened to ODLH's stock? Up, down or same. I'd probably it went up or stayed the same. I didn't think he had as much left as he showed in the Mayweather fight.

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just as Bernard Dunne looked like making himself a world contended he got
ruined! can't see him ever getting his stock back up

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True enough.
Phil ur from Dublin?

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yeah man, got to support the hometown fighter but can't see Dunne coming back from
that defeat. Apperently he's joined the Dublin Fire Brigade now ???

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Saw that in the star, thought it was just publicity before teelthon tho!
Brian Peters seems to be blaming it on complacency. Should Wayne beat Martinez on Saturday (no mean feat!!!!) i can see redemption for Dunne by beating McCullough.
Duddy then dec 8th and Lee on the 15th, we're in for a real treat!


As for allthugz question on Oscar De la Hoya I have to say i'm pretty disinterested in the fighter at the moment. He has made no effort after the loss to Mayweather except to make money off PBF/RH... So down in my estimation.

Vivian Harris

Juan Urango

Jean-Marc Mormeck

Graham Earl

Jermaine Taylor

Souleymane M'Baye

Scott Harrison

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Souleymane M'Baye

Scott Harrison

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Thread over ;D we have a couple of winners

I have to say DLH....IMO in the Mayweather fight he showed he can't pull the trigger when need be against the top caliber anymore...not that he lost the bout but at times he looked almost frustrated even when Floyd would lay on the ropes and Oscar had opp to at least throw to the body...or should I say at least attempt to....he seemed confused,,,and it was not due to anything special Mayweather was doing.....

After that Vic Darchinyan being blasted out with 1 punch took away the little mans aura...as well as Miranda being starched by Pavlik.....

With Miranda it was more of a matter of him just being so easily outboxed as well as the KO loss though...

Pavlik laid out a perfect blueprint on how to beat him for everyone...if Miranda does not make some big changes in his style I forsee a future simular to Mugabi after the Hagler loss....Decent contender but more of a gatekeeper

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just as Bernard Dunne looked like making himself a world contended he got
ruined! can't see him ever getting his stock back up

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True enough.
Phil ur from Dublin?

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yeah man, got to support the hometown fighter but can't see Dunne coming back from
that defeat. Apperently he's joined the Dublin Fire Brigade now ???

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Saw that in the star, thought it was just publicity before teelthon tho!
Brian Peters seems to be blaming it on complacency. Should Wayne beat Martinez on Saturday (no mean feat!!!!) i can see redemption for Dunne by beating McCullough.
Duddy then dec 8th and Lee on the 15th, we're in for a real treat!


As for allthugz question on Oscar De la Hoya I have to say i'm pretty disinterested in the fighter at the moment. He has made no effort after the loss to Mayweather except to make money off PBF/RH... So down in my estimation.

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Yeah bit worried about Duddy against Eastman, he should win but ive a bad gut feeling about it,
Andy Lee's awsome though!! can see him going very far!!

Could see Dunne beating McCullough but would be surprised if McCullough gets past Martinez, I think
its sad McCullough's still fighting, hes nothing left to prove, he'll only end up hurting himself.

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just as Bernard Dunne looked like making himself a world contended he got
ruined! can't see him ever getting his stock back up

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True enough.
Phil ur from Dublin?

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yeah man, got to support the hometown fighter but can't see Dunne coming back from
that defeat. Apperently he's joined the Dublin Fire Brigade now ???

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Saw that in the star, thought it was just publicity before teelthon tho!
Brian Peters seems to be blaming it on complacency. Should Wayne beat Martinez on Saturday (no mean feat!!!!) i can see redemption for Dunne by beating McCullough.
Duddy then dec 8th and Lee on the 15th, we're in for a real treat!


As for allthugz question on Oscar De la Hoya I have to say i'm pretty disinterested in the fighter at the moment. He has made no effort after the loss to Mayweather except to make money off PBF/RH... So down in my estimation.

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Yeah bit worried about Duddy against Eastman, he should win but ive a bad gut feeling about it,
Andy Lee's awsome though!! can see him going very far!!

Could see Dunne beating McCullough but would be surprised if McCullough gets past Martinez, I think
its sad McCullough's still fighting, hes nothing left to prove, he'll only end up hurting himself.

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Agreed with all of that!
Particularily McCullough. If he does end up getting hurt, in this fight or any other unfortunately it is as a result of his own decisions.
I feel that this fight will act as a wake up call win or lose he should retire, but knowing Wayne it won't.
I think il take a trip down to Boyle sports all the same and throw a few on him