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Originally Posted by Cotto_Is_4_Real
Why do all of the big fights have to be in the USA? Champion of the WORLD means just that. Not just champion of the USA. These Yanks are so full of themselves it's pathetic. The same people make a world series every year which does not include the world at all. Get over yourselves Americans. If anything, they should have the fight in some poor country like Ali/Foreman did. Peter Manfredo Jr. had the balls to travel abroad and Hopkins doesn't? What is up with that?
Just to clear it up the World Series of Baseball was named after a New York newspaper. As for Calzaghe fighting in the US, I have to agree that this idea that it is acceptable for US based fighters to discredit foreign opponents for not fighting there is a joke. Talk about pot and kettle. Hopkins has fought outside of the US once, he drew when he maybe should of lost and nobody has a go at him for that.
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Joe's accomplished a lot more than Hatton & is the better fighter...so perhaps it TOTALLY is Warren that ruins the Calzaghe image.
How? Hatton fought and beat Tsyzu (the best at the time) now he is fighting Mayweather, who is the best of his generation.
Whether you like it or not, Lacy and Kessler doesn't come close to Tsyzu or Mayweather.
Calzaghe's held a title & defended it longer...whether you like it or not...or maybe you just forgot.
If Floyd totally destroys Hatton.
If Calzaghe were to whoop Hopkins...like it or not...you'd then have to recognize Calzaghe as a great.
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Originally Posted by Cotto_Is_4_Real
Why do all of the big fights have to be in the USA? Champion of the WORLD means just that. Not just champion of the USA. These Yanks are so full of themselves it's pathetic. The same people make a world series every year which does not include the world at all. Get over yourselves Americans. If anything, they should have the fight in some poor country like Ali/Foreman did. Peter Manfredo Jr. had the balls to travel abroad and Hopkins doesn't? What is up with that?
Because Hopkins won't fight Calzaghe in the UK why do "These Yanks" Have to be so full of themselves...why is it you need to catagorize?
Also the same can be said for Calzaghe..."You Brits are So Full of yourselves".....Give me a break with the Yanks B********......
Danny G is a Brit?
I thought he was a yank?
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Originally Posted by BigMix27
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Joe's accomplished a lot more than Hatton & is the better fighter...so perhaps it TOTALLY is Warren that ruins the Calzaghe image.
How? Hatton fought and beat Tsyzu (the best at the time) now he is fighting Mayweather, who is the best of his generation.
Whether you like it or not, Lacy and Kessler doesn't come close to Tsyzu or Mayweather.
Calzaghe's held a title & defended it longer...whether you like it or not...or maybe you just forgot.
If Floyd totally destroys Hatton.
If Calzaghe were to whoop Hopkins...like it or not...you'd then have to recognize Calzaghe as a great.
Im with u on this one Wack. Calzaghe has done more than the Fatman. A win over a couple of long in the tooth champs, is not as good as seein off 2 young Prime lions....
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Well if Hatton beat PBf to me it will still close if Calzaghe goes on to beat Hopkins and Dawson and unifies at lightheavyweight.
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Joe's accomplished a lot more than Hatton & is the better fighter...so perhaps it TOTALLY is Warren that ruins the Calzaghe image.
How? Hatton fought and beat Tsyzu (the best at the time) now he is fighting Mayweather, who is the best of his generation.
Whether you like it or not, Lacy and Kessler doesn't come close to Tsyzu or Mayweather.
Calzaghe's held a title & defended it longer...whether you like it or not...or maybe you just forgot.
If Floyd totally destroys Hatton.
If Calzaghe were to whoop Hopkins...like it or not...you'd then have to recognize Calzaghe as a great.
Im with u on this one Wack. Calzaghe has done more than the Fatman. A win over a couple of long in the tooth champs, is not as good as seein off 2 young Prime lions....
:coolclick: Agreed 100%.
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Well if Hatton beat PBf to me it will still close if Calzaghe goes on to beat Hopkins and Dawson and unifies at lightheavyweight.
I just think that Joe has done plenty & doesn't get enough respect...
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I think he is better then Hatton to Wacko but if Hatton beats PBF Calzaghe may need few more wins to stay ahead of Hatton.
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Well if Hatton beat PBf to me it will still close if Calzaghe goes on to beat Hopkins and Dawson and unifies at lightheavyweight.
Well les compare them up....
Calzaghe-Turned pro in 1993 is 44-0 (32) has been Champion 10yrs
Hatton- 43-0 (31) turned pro in 1997 and has been world champion just over 2 yrs but is also champion in 2 divisions
If Hatton beats Mayweather It will be a toss up for me.....Though Joe has been undefeated for a longer period of time and champion the same amount of time Hatton has been pro...he has gone long periods of time with very weak comp.....Hatton has managed to squeeze in the same amount of fights in 4 less years....
If he beats Floyd he will have a win over an undisputed Champion and legend in Tszyu (even if Tszyu was past best)...and maybe the second most gifted fighter in the last 15yrs along with being a two division champion gives a lot of weight in Hattons Favor.....without the two division title IMO the comparison until the result of PBF would not even be close it would be hands down Calzaghe......
I still give Joe the edge but if Hatton beats Floyd...the real decision will be who on each man faces and how dominate they win in their next fights
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I think he is better then Hatton to Wacko but if Hatton beats PBF Calzaghe may need few more wins to stay ahead of Hatton.
Thats a massive
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I just think that Joe has done plenty & doesn't get enough respect...
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Eagle i do not think that if you make was big enough but i have been praying for Hatton to get the big win.
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Maybe he has some pictures of him that Joe does not want to be seen by the public lol.
The Joe Calzaghe-Enzo Maccarinelli gay porno tape rears it's ugly head again
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Ha thats pretty funny there VD have a cc on me i think is weird Joe never goes against his promoter but then again Joe is a rich man because of him.
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Originally Posted by Cotto_Is_4_Real
Why do all of the big fights have to be in the USA? Champion of the WORLD means just that. Not just champion of the USA. These Yanks are so full of themselves it's pathetic. The same people make a world series every year which does not include the world at all. Get over yourselves Americans. If anything, they should have the fight in some poor country like Ali/Foreman did. Peter Manfredo Jr. had the balls to travel abroad and Hopkins doesn't? What is up with that?
If it was a remote country its different, but when its a country one fighter comes from its an obvious advantage for them. United States has the deepest professional boxing tradition from what I've seen, and more importantly the most money is made in the states.
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Originally Posted by BigMix27
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Why do all of the big fights have to be in the USA? Champion of the WORLD means just that.
why does all of Calzaghe's big fights have to be in the UK? I could understand Kessler and Lacy going to the UK to try to dethrone him, but if Calzaghe wants to dethrone Hopkins he should come here. Simple honor and respect demands in.
At the end of the day, this is going to show us who wants it more. I think Calzaghe will come just this once to the U.S.
Calzaghe should ask for a compromise which states that if Calzaghe comes to America, he will get the much larger purse because B-Hop is not only being a biatch about the location, he is also playing hardball regarding the money situation.
I say make this fight in a neutral country and winner takes the bigger purse. These two old phuk heads are acting like kids. No wonder they never grow old because neither one has grown up.
Good quote..agreed completely. CC
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Why do all of the big fights have to be in the USA? Champion of the WORLD means just that. Not just champion of the USA. These Yanks are so full of themselves it's pathetic. The same people make a world series every year which does not include the world at all. Get over yourselves Americans. If anything, they should have the fight in some poor country like Ali/Foreman did. Peter Manfredo Jr. had the balls to travel abroad and Hopkins doesn't? What is up with that?
Ain't that like saying Audley Harrison had the balls to come to the US but not Calzaghe?
Nah, Audley couldn't get one man and his dog to watch him anymore, so he thought he'd go con you lot.
Haha, you gotta love that Audley fought Sprott in his home town and got booed.
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I think he is better then Hatton to Wacko but if Hatton beats PBF Calzaghe may need few more wins to stay ahead of Hatton.
Thats a massive
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Should be a massive
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
:sadclick: for another ridiculous post.
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
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I don't think the fans overrate Hopkins, but I think he overrates himself. He thinks he's a massive draw and can make demands that are just plain stupid.
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
You get alot of sadclicks because you put your opinions across as fact. Tis a shame because I actually see what you're trying to say, it just doesn't come across very well.
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The guy is in no way over rated hes 40+ put on a good show against a rising star twice (Taylor) and beat the man @ lightheavy with ease. He has got a lot of names on his resume (Tito,DLH,Winky,Tarver)
he deserves props for what hes done and JC wouldnt out class him hell if he leaves his chin out like in the Pavlik fight Hopkins could probibly KO him. The only reason i favour JC over Hopkins is workrate.
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
You get alot of sadclicks because you put your opinions across as fact. Tis a shame because I actually see what you're trying to say, it just doesn't come across very well.
i'll need to improve my grammar, but CALZAGHE does what needs to be done. people criticise him and say who did he beat? He beat three unbeaten challengers and not just beat them but outclassed them. And these were not fat welterweights they were genuine 168lbers, but when he beats them people say oh they were overhyped. Its like hopkins can beat the likes of Segundo Mercado, Steve Frank, William Bo James (who had lost 3 of his previous 8 bouts and only won two of his next seven bouts before retiring), Simon Brown who was shot, overweight and lost his next 5 bouts, Felix Trinidad ok Trinidad was a great boxer, but that was as a welterweight and light middle and the same can be said about Dela hoya.
Calzaghe never ducked anyone and beat some great opponents. Hopkins couldnt even beat Bika, Bika would destroy him as would most world class boxers at 168 or 175
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
You get alot of sadclicks because you put your opinions across as fact. Tis a shame because I actually see what you're trying to say, it just doesn't come across very well.
i'll need to improve my grammar, but CALZAGHE does what needs to be done. people criticise him and say who did he beat? He beat three unbeaten challengers and not just beat them but outclassed them. And these were not fat welterweights they were genuine 168lbers, but when he beats them people say oh they were overhyped. Its like hopkins can beat the likes of Segundo Mercado, Steve Frank, William Bo James (who had lost 3 of his previous 8 bouts and only won two of his next seven bouts before retiring), Simon Brown who was shot, overweight and lost his next 5 bouts, Felix Trinidad ok Trinidad was a great boxer, but that was as a welterweight and light middle and the same can be said about Dela hoya.
Calzaghe never ducked anyone and beat some great opponents. Hopkins couldnt even beat Bika, Bika would destroy him as would most world class boxers at 168 or 175
It's not so much the grammar thing, it's things like your last paragraph. B-Hop has a fair few fans on this forum and by saying that you open yourself up to criticism. I'm not a B-Hop fan, but I respect his achievments. My issue with him is his belief that he firmly believes he has the drawing power to dictate the terms he wants. He's clearly very talented, but nowadays he's fairly boring.
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Marketed properly the fight could make more money in Britain than in the US.
May i continue to ask a question...purely for arguements sake.
Why must all fighters who do not go to the Us be called stay at home fighter? How many fighters leave the US to challenge other champions?
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
You get alot of sadclicks because you put your opinions across as fact. Tis a shame because I actually see what you're trying to say, it just doesn't come across very well.
i'll need to improve my grammar, but CALZAGHE does what needs to be done. people criticise him and say who did he beat? He beat three unbeaten challengers and not just beat them but outclassed them. And these were not fat welterweights they were genuine 168lbers, but when he beats them people say oh they were overhyped. Its like hopkins can beat the likes of Segundo Mercado, Steve Frank, William Bo James (who had lost 3 of his previous 8 bouts and only won two of his next seven bouts before retiring), Simon Brown who was shot, overweight and lost his next 5 bouts, Felix Trinidad ok Trinidad was a great boxer, but that was as a welterweight and light middle and the same can be said about Dela hoya.
Calzaghe never ducked anyone and beat some great opponents. Hopkins couldnt even beat Bika, Bika would destroy him as would most world class boxers at 168 or 175
Its not your grammar its you just talking bollocks mate :-\
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Calzaghe wants the fight more than Hopkins he should go to the states
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Up to this point, Calzaghe has had too much of a privileged boxing career. All his fights he had home court advantage, it is time he step off of his pedal stool, roll up his sleeves and do some real work.
What a stupid posting.
Seriously, enlighten me as to how you define real work. Moron.
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Pedal Stool!!!!!!!!!! LMAO
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What a stupid posting.
Seriously, enlighten me as to how you define real work. Moron.
Kessler and Lacy are his two big names. These two guys wanted to prove themselves, therefore they went and sought out the best in their division, even in a foreign country, where the best had home court advantage.
Calzaghe on the other hand during his reign knew that his challenges weren't the up and coming boxers but the established boxers around his weight division. Boxers like Ry Jones, Hopkins, Tarver, Johnson, Hill etc. Calzaghe never was hungry to challenge these fighters to the point of calling them out and going to these fighters home country.
Now that Calzaghe is about to wrap up his career, he still wants the privilege of completing his career without getting off his stool and climbing the mount of direct challenges. This is why I have to ask why should he have the privileged of being hailed as great by not taking up the leadershipi roll of challenging his contemporaries to prove himself, even to the point of going to his contemporaries home and dethroning them.
Heck, even Zab Judah fought Corey Spinks in St. Lious, and Hatton is about to fight Foyd in Vegas (Floyd's home town). These fighters know that true glory comes through sacrifice. Hopkins fought Trinidad in MSG (knowing fully well that NYC is Puerto Rico Jr.)
Now this is not an indictment of the skills of Calzaghe. I believe he will take Hopkins. But I don't believe that he should have home field advantage in this one. He is a cuddled champion and a cuddled fighter.
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What a stupid posting.
Seriously, enlighten me as to how you define real work. Moron.
Kessler and Lacy are his two big names. These two guys wanted to prove themselves, therefore they went and sought out the best in their division, even in a foreign country, where the best had home court advantage.
Calzaghe on the other hand during his reign knew that his challenges weren't the up and coming boxers but the established boxers around his weight division. Boxers like Ry Jones, Hopkins, Tarver, Johnson, Hill etc. Calzaghe never was hungry to challenge these fighters to the point of calling them out and going to these fighters home country.
Now that Calzaghe is about to wrap up his career, he still wants the privilege of completing his career without getting off his stool and climbing the mount of direct challenges. This is why I have to ask why should he have the privileged of being hailed as great by not taking up the leadershipi roll of challenging his contemporaries to prove himself, even to the point of going to his contemporaries home and dethroning them.
Heck, even Zab Judah fought Corey Spinks in St. Lious, and Hatton is about to fight Foyd in Vegas (Floyd's home town). These fighters know that true glory comes through sacrifice. Hopkins fought Trinidad in MSG (knowing fully well that NYC is Puerto Rico Jr.)
Now this is not an indictment of the skills of Calzaghe. I believe he will take Hopkins. But I don't believe that he should have home field advantage in this one. He is a cuddled champion and a cuddled fighter.
Good post have a CC off me ;)
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Originally Posted by Cotto_Is_4_Real
Why do all of the big fights have to be in the USA? Champion of the WORLD means just that. Not just champion of the USA. These Yanks are so full of themselves it's pathetic. The same people make a world series every year which does not include the world at all. Get over yourselves Americans. If anything, they should have the fight in some poor country like Ali/Foreman did. Peter Manfredo Jr. had the balls to travel abroad and Hopkins doesn't? What is up with that?
Ain't that like saying Audley Harrison had the balls to come to the US but not Calzaghe?
I'm pretty sure Calzaghe has the balls to go to the US and fight Garbage men too... ;)
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
You could argue that Calzaghe only ruled because Jones, Toney and Mccallum wrent there..... If Jones had fought Joe when Joe first got his belt it would have been all over for Joe there and then.
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
You could argue that Calzaghe only ruled because Jones, Toney and Mccallum wrent there..... If Jones had fought Joe when Joe first got his belt it would have been all over for Joe there and then.
You can say that again ;)
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of fighting all his professional fights in Great Britain? Why can't he come over to the USA to fight Hopkins? Isn't Hopkins the more accomplished of the two?
hopkins is overated. Ive said this before for 10 years he fought welterweights and second rate middleweights and lost to taylor, who is useless.
SC also if Joe Calzaghe gets credit for ruling his division Hopkins deserves the same recongnition.
Hopkins only ruled cos the likes of Toney, Jones and Mccallum werent there. he lost to Jones and the other two would have beaten him. even nunn would beat him. CALZAGHE has beaten everyone hes faced he's never lost a pro bout. and to be honest There is no boxer from middleweight to light heavyweight who can beat him. he would destroy hopkins. The fight is a mismatch.
You could argue that Calzaghe only ruled because Jones, Toney and Mccallum wrent there..... If Jones had fought Joe when Joe first got his belt it would have been all over for Joe there and then.
You can say that again ;)
Not to pick holes....but that argument can be applied to any fighter who has ever fought and dominated a division. Jones and Toney were gone from SMW before Calzaghe even got wind of a world title shot.
Following your logic, here's a few other examples:
Hopkins was only able to rule the middleweight division because Carlos Monzon, Sugar Ray Robinson and Roy Jones Jnr weren't there.
Lennox Lewis was only able to rule the heavyweights because Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier and Sonny Liston weren't there.
and on, and on, and on, and on....
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Calzaghe could have pushed for Jones though when he ruled Lightheavy in the same way Woods pushed for his shot or Lacy and Kessler pushed for there shot at Calzaghe.Calzaghe has never really pushed for a fight and travelled to get it .
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When Calzaghe got his belt for the first time he was still very green fighter still and not prime yet plus Roy moved up when he got it any how.
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Calzaghe could have pushed for Jones though when he ruled Lightheavy in the same way Woods pushed for his shot or Lacy and Kessler pushed for there shot at Calzaghe.Calzaghe has never really pushed for a fight and travelled to get it .
I think Calzaghe just got bored of Roy Jones Jr because for two years or so at the start of the 00's he was practically calling for a fight with him after every bout, and RJJ never put forward any signs that he'd be willing to fight him, except saying once (that I could find) in 2002 that Calzaghe could be a future opponent, after he beat Clinton Woods. At the end of the day, Calzaghe was pushing as he could, and I'm not sure what Warren was doing, except getting a free trip to the states.
