Fighters we love to hate no matter how good they are...

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by fin

I dont like Frank Warren and i think Joe should fight B hop in America,even tho b hop cant draw flies to S*** and a fight in wales would bring 60 thousand....,but I would like to c joe go to America and beat him..but b hop dont want the fight,he didnt want it a few years ago and dont want it now....

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Why cant you guys ever understand how boxing works,where the money really is,and that the US isnt like Isles
Do you have any idea what one guy like say Trump,will drop on the table in a Casino in Vegas
Here,Ill explain,its alot more money then 10,000 of those punters would have paid right there
And thats one guy
Now picture 3000 of that level of high roller
On top of that,Calzaghe would have a better chance of getting a decision in say,Boston,then Hopkins.
In the states we have no WW2 to create a feeling of we're all in this together. We hate eachother in the states like Liverpool and Manchester,but with higher caliber weapons

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Then why can't even Hopkins' best offer $8 million, only just beat the best purse that these poverty-stricken 60,000 provided Kessler with last month? If the money there is as good as you stay, surely he could easily front up twice that?

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Why would they?
Joe said he wanted 5 million right after the Kessler fight,now 8 isnt good enough?
Not to mention the fight would be sold on Bernards name,not Joes.
A clue for you,Calzaghe/Kessler wasnt even a pay per view here,it was a freebie on HBO
Its all Frank Warren BS sorry to disapoint you

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Calzaghe probably wanted £5 million instead of dollars. Latest news in the UK is that Hopkins offered a smudge over £2 million, which isn't even $5 million US. Let's face it mate, the total purse would be huge for this one, so why is Hopkins' people offering such a paltry sum which won't even beat Calzaghe's career highest purse? Your previous argument was that the money was so much better in Vegas, yet Hopkins' people can't offer decent money to Calzaghe? I'm afraid that either sounds like Hopkins BS or you having way over-exaggerated the money that is available to make the fight in Vegas.

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No,he wanted 2.5 million pounds,thats 5 million US
Then Calzaghe swiftly set his sights on legend Hopkins - and a £2.5million purse. He said: “Bernard, let’s do it, let’s do it. I’ve been undefeated champion for the last 10 years, I’ve won four major belts — what else is there to do but get guys like Hopkins?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle426009.ece

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by fin

Ricky is exciting,apart from the Urango fight...
If u dont think he's exciting then u either hate Hatton or dont know wat your looking at...

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What is it with British fight fans and their persecution complex?

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I don't get it either. It seems a lot of people on here think Americans simply hate anything British.

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Originally Posted by global

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by fin

Ricky is exciting,apart from the Urango fight...
If u dont think he's exciting then u either hate Hatton or dont know wat your looking at...

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What is it with British fight fans and their persecution complex?

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I don't get it either. It seems a lot of people on here think Americans simply hate anything British.

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Neither do I,most of the music I listen to is British,Ive loved some British fighters,ok Ill admit I find British food inedible,but thats just me
Of course theyve got alot of Pizza joints in Britain these days so....................... ;D
For gods sake,Im listening to the Cockney Rejects right now

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by fin

I dont like Frank Warren and i think Joe should fight B hop in America,even tho b hop cant draw flies to S*** and a fight in wales would bring 60 thousand....,but I would like to c joe go to America and beat him..but b hop dont want the fight,he didnt want it a few years ago and dont want it now....

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Why cant you guys ever understand how boxing works,where the money really is,and that the US isnt like Isles
Do you have any idea what one guy like say Trump,will drop on the table in a Casino in Vegas
Here,Ill explain,its alot more money then 10,000 of those punters would have paid right there
And thats one guy
Now picture 3000 of that level of high roller
On top of that,Calzaghe would have a better chance of getting a decision in say,Boston,then Hopkins.
In the states we have no WW2 to create a feeling of we're all in this together. We hate eachother in the states like Liverpool and Manchester,but with higher caliber weapons

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Then why can't even Hopkins' best offer $8 million, only just beat the best purse that these poverty-stricken 60,000 provided Kessler with last month? If the money there is as good as you stay, surely he could easily front up twice that?

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Why would they?
Joe said he wanted 5 million right after the Kessler fight,now 8 isnt good enough?
Not to mention the fight would be sold on Bernards name,not Joes.
A clue for you,Calzaghe/Kessler wasnt even a pay per view here,it was a freebie on HBO
Its all Frank Warren BS sorry to disapoint you

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Calzaghe probably wanted £5 million instead of dollars. Latest news in the UK is that Hopkins offered a smudge over £2 million, which isn't even $5 million US. Let's face it mate, the total purse would be huge for this one, so why is Hopkins' people offering such a paltry sum which won't even beat Calzaghe's career highest purse? Your previous argument was that the money was so much better in Vegas, yet Hopkins' people can't offer decent money to Calzaghe? I'm afraid that either sounds like Hopkins BS or you having way over-exaggerated the money that is available to make the fight in Vegas.

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No,he wanted 2.5 million pounds,thats 5 million US
Then Calzaghe swiftly set his sights on legend Hopkins - and a £2.5million purse. He said: “Bernard, let’s do it, let’s do it. I’ve been undefeated champion for the last 10 years, I’ve won four major belts — what else is there to do but get guys like Hopkins?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle426009.ece

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At no point in that article does it directly attribute a comment demanding a £2.5 million purse to Calzaghe. Having been a journalist myself for two years, the fine line between speculation and direct quotes from someone can be blurred very easily, and if Joe had actually come out and say that he wanted a £2.5 million purse, then it would be in direct quotes.

This is just the tabloids speculating on how much the purse would be, not Joe's demands to make a fight with Hopkins. Journalists are slippery customers, and although that paragraph is shady in the extreme, I think it just about strays on the side of the line that wouldn't get them convicted if someone decided to sue for that type of sentence.

Funny how you believe everything that says your guy isnt ducking,isnt it
A Frank Warren leak must be as solid as gold,because we all know how trustworthy Frank is,but when it says your boy is ducking,oh well thats just a tabloid

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Funny how you believe everything that says your guy isnt ducking,isnt it
A Frank Warren leak must be as solid as gold,because we all know how trustworthy Frank is,but when it says your boy is ducking,oh well thats just a tabloid

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Does it or does it not directly quote Joe saying he wants £2.5million? If you're basing your argument on a newspaper article, then you better make sure it's solid and not just some journalistic flair. It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Funny how you believe everything that says your guy isnt ducking,isnt it
A Frank Warren leak must be as solid as gold,because we all know how trustworthy Frank is,but when it says your boy is ducking,oh well thats just a tabloid

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Does it or does it not directly quote Joe saying he wants £2.5million? If you're basing your argument on a newspaper article, then you better make sure it's solid and not just some journalistic flair. It's that simple.

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What where the Vegas odds against Hopkins winning Tarver or Tito
What have been the odds on every single fight Joe's fought?
It really is that simple
What was it Bernard against tito?
43-1?
One fighter has shown a desire to take fights nobody thinks he can win
The other hasnt
Man it gets simple when you think about it

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Funny how you believe everything that says your guy isnt ducking,isnt it
A Frank Warren leak must be as solid as gold,because we all know how trustworthy Frank is,but when it says your boy is ducking,oh well thats just a tabloid

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Does it or does it not directly quote Joe saying he wants £2.5million? If you're basing your argument on a newspaper article, then you better make sure it's solid and not just some journalistic flair. It's that simple.

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What where the Vegas odds against Hopkins winning Tarver or Tito
What have been the odds on every single fight Joe's fought?
It really is that simple
What was it Bernard against tito?
43-1?
One fighter has shown a desire to take fights nobody thinks he can win
The other hasnt
Man it gets simple when you think about it

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Dang man, you're like a politician trying to duck this question. And that's because you and I know the answer.

But look at it from another angle, and you have Tito and Tarver taking fights they believe they will win, whilst Calzaghe can't find a fight where people don't think that he will win.

Except for the Lacy bout, where Lacy was quite a big favourite, certainly amongst the British bookies.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Funny how you believe everything that says your guy isnt ducking,isnt it
A Frank Warren leak must be as solid as gold,because we all know how trustworthy Frank is,but when it says your boy is ducking,oh well thats just a tabloid

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Does it or does it not directly quote Joe saying he wants £2.5million? If you're basing your argument on a newspaper article, then you better make sure it's solid and not just some journalistic flair. It's that simple.

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What where the Vegas odds against Hopkins winning Tarver or Tito
What have been the odds on every single fight Joe's fought?
It really is that simple
What was it Bernard against tito?
43-1?
One fighter has shown a desire to take fights nobody thinks he can win
The other hasnt
Man it gets simple when you think about it

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Dang man, you're like a politician trying to duck this question. And that's because you and I know the answer.

But look at it from another angle, and you have Tito and Tarver taking fights they believe they will win, whilst Calzaghe can't find a fight where people don't think that he will win.

Except for the Lacy bout, where Lacy was quite a big favourite, certainly amongst the British bookies.

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In all honesty If Joe would put his head down and moved a little more,I think he might take Bernard at his age.
The fight I want to see is a Calzeghe/Kessler rematch on neutral ground.Even if Mikkel had both hands working,you know,and I know he had no chance for decision.
Kessler should show his promoter the door as well
Your dodging the question,Bernard take the fights noone thinks he can win
When,exactly,has Joe EVER once done that?
nAme one time Joe has ever doen that
The best Joe has ever done was make people think it might be a good fight.
He's NEVER,EVER,EVER taken a fight nobody thought he had a chance for.
Those are the only fights Hopkins is interested in anymore

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Funny how you believe everything that says your guy isnt ducking,isnt it
A Frank Warren leak must be as solid as gold,because we all know how trustworthy Frank is,but when it says your boy is ducking,oh well thats just a tabloid

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Does it or does it not directly quote Joe saying he wants £2.5million? If you're basing your argument on a newspaper article, then you better make sure it's solid and not just some journalistic flair. It's that simple.

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What where the Vegas odds against Hopkins winning Tarver or Tito
What have been the odds on every single fight Joe's fought?
It really is that simple
What was it Bernard against tito?
43-1?
One fighter has shown a desire to take fights nobody thinks he can win
The other hasnt
Man it gets simple when you think about it

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Dang man, you're like a politician trying to duck this question. And that's because you and I know the answer.

But look at it from another angle, and you have Tito and Tarver taking fights they believe they will win, whilst Calzaghe can't find a fight where people don't think that he will win.

Except for the Lacy bout, where Lacy was quite a big favourite, certainly amongst the British bookies.

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In all honesty If Joe would put his head down and moved a little more,I think he might take Bernard at his age.
The fight I want to see is a Calzeghe/Kessler rematch on neutral ground.Even if Mikkel had both hands working,you know,and I know he had no chance for decision.
Kessler should show his promoter the door as well
Your dodging the question,Bernard take the fights noone thinks he can win
When,exactly,has Joe EVER once done that?
nAme one time Joe has ever doen that
The best Joe has ever done was make people think it might be a good fight.
He's NEVER,EVER,EVER taken a fight nobody thought he had a chance for.
Those are the only fights Hopkins is interested in anymore

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So why is Hopkins angling for a fight with Calzaghe then? IF nobody thinks he can win, why are there so many people on this forum singing Bernard's praises day in, day out, week in week out. There isn't a fight out there that nobody thinks Bernard Hopkins can't win.

Joe has never fought anyone where nobody thought he could win, because there is no fighter active in the area of his division which would have given him that, except for RJJ who never showed any enthusiasm for a fight, nor even made any sort of run for such a fight.

Question answered. Now will you return to my previous question which you've carefully avoided for the previous three posts.

If Bernard had never fought outside of Boston?NY/Philly/and Dc
Roughly the same stretch of property as Joes fought in all but once
And his best fights read
Sanavia
Sylvester
Sandra
Cervara
And Joppy
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Holmes
Joppy
Eastman
Trinidad
De La Hoya
Tarver
Echols
Wright
How willing would you be willing to take his word?
You wouldnt and you know it
Face it,Hopkins has faced everyone in front of him,Joe hasnt

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

If Bernard had never fought outside of Boston?NY/Philly/and Dc
Roughly the same stretch of property as Joes fought in all but once
And his best fights read
Sanavia
Sylvester
Sandra
Cervara
And Joppy
Instead of
Holmes
Joppy
Eastman
Trinidad
De La Hoya
Tarver
Echols
Wright
How willing would you be willing to take his word?
You wouldnt and you know it
Face it,Hopkins has faced everyone in front of him,Joe hasnt

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Will you, or will you not admit that Joe Calzaghe is not directly quoted in the article you used to back up your argument wanting only £2.5million to fight Hopkins.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

If Bernard had never fought outside of Boston?NY/Philly/and Dc
Roughly the same stretch of property as Joes fought in all but once
And his best fights read
Sanavia
Sylvester
Sandra
Cervara
And Joppy
Instead of
Holmes
Joppy
Eastman
Trinidad
De La Hoya
Tarver
Echols
Wright
How willing would you be willing to take his word?
You wouldnt and you know it
Face it,Hopkins has faced everyone in front of him,Joe hasnt

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Will you, or will you not admit that Joe Calzaghe is not directly quoted in the article you used to back up your argument wanting only £2.5million to fight Hopkins.

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Will you,or will you not admit,if the Sun had stuck theyre nose in that bad to the point of lying,theyd have gotten sued?
Face it,if,and I do mean if,the offer Hopkins made to Calzaghe is as reported,thats almost 3 times what Hopkins made himself to fight Wright.
Its not exactly like he's offering $800,a couple of plane tickets,and free lodging now is it?
We're going to come back to this again,so Ill save time.
Who has Joe fought?
Kessler and Lacy
Lacy was doomed from the moment he signed on,and Kessler had to knock Joe out,and couldnt do it with a bum hand.
Stupid on him for signing on to the fight,at those conditions,stupid on him for not pulling out when he was hurt
Lacy's managment threw him to the wolves,there was no way on earth he was ready for Calzaghe,I dont think he'd be now
Face it,Bernards been willing to travel and he's been willing to face overwhelming odds.
Joes been willing to stay at home and be a slight underdog once or twice
You cant re-write history,though Im sure Warren,and Joe's fans would love to

Even at his ahem...peak, Tarver was loathed (pwerhaps justifiably)

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Toney.
Floyd.
Hopkins.
Wright.
Jones jr.
Cotto.
Hatton.

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CALZAGHE TOP OF MY LIST

Junior Witter.

I loathe him. Put the fucker in with Wlad just for my amusement.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Toney.
Floyd.
Hopkins.
Wright.
Jones jr.
Cotto.
Hatton.

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CALZAGHE TOP OF MY LIST

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Hi Mike ;)

Tye Fields I hate with a passion. Oh....scratch that; as the title says "no matter how good they are", so he doesn't count ;D

I think Rhun and Monkey have proven in this thread the main reason people hate on some fighters is because they are huge fans of another fighter. Kind of like if Hatton and Mayweather were on opposite ends of the weight divisions, the Hatton fans wouldn't pay any attention to the Mayweather threads, after all, we don't have many threads hating on Ivan Calderon because he doesn't have a rival that anyone gives a shit about.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

If Bernard had never fought outside of Boston?NY/Philly/and Dc
Roughly the same stretch of property as Joes fought in all but once
And his best fights read
Sanavia
Sylvester
Sandra
Cervara
And Joppy
Instead of
Holmes
Joppy
Eastman
Trinidad
De La Hoya
Tarver
Echols
Wright
How willing would you be willing to take his word?
You wouldnt and you know it
Face it,Hopkins has faced everyone in front of him,Joe hasnt

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Will you, or will you not admit that Joe Calzaghe is not directly quoted in the article you used to back up your argument wanting only £2.5million to fight Hopkins.

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Will you,or will you not admit,if the Sun had stuck theyre nose in that bad to the point of lying,theyd have gotten sued?
Face it,if,and I do mean if,the offer Hopkins made to Calzaghe is as reported,thats almost 3 times what Hopkins made himself to fight Wright.
Its not exactly like he's offering $800,a couple of plane tickets,and free lodging now is it?
We're going to come back to this again,so Ill save time.
Who has Joe fought?
Kessler and Lacy
Lacy was doomed from the moment he signed on,and Kessler had to knock Joe out,and couldnt do it with a bum hand.
Stupid on him for signing on to the fight,at those conditions,stupid on him for not pulling out when he was hurt
Lacy's managment threw him to the wolves,there was no way on earth he was ready for Calzaghe,I dont think he'd be now
Face it,Bernards been willing to travel and he's been willing to face overwhelming odds.
Joes been willing to stay at home and be a slight underdog once or twice
You cant re-write history,though Im sure Warren,and Joe's fans would love to

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No, no, and heck no. That was my point all along, is that the Sun was using some journalistic flair to just about stray on the side of the line where they didn't attribute the figure of £2.5 million to any source at all. It's cleverly done (guy I was with at Uni works for the Sun in Belfast, and he's a sneaky lil fecker too!), but the only point of having the number there is to give the article some gravitas.

And even if it was wrongly attributed, there's no point suing over that one because it doesn't reflect badly on anyone involved, therefore there's no libel.

And on the point of Bernard travelling.....he's left the States twice, Joe's left Britain twice. I don't buy the argument that Hopkins fighting away from Philly is more valid than Joe fighting away from Wales in England and Scotland. And after all Vegas is pretty much neutral territory with people going from all over the world to fight there, and not many fans from Vegas itself actually going to the fights, so it's not like being the away fighter at all.

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I think Rhun and Monkey have proven in this thread the main reason people hate on some fighters is because they are huge fans of another fighter. Kind of like if Hatton and Mayweather were on opposite ends of the weight divisions, the Hatton fans wouldn't pay any attention to the Mayweather threads, after all, we don't have many threads hating on Ivan Calderon because he doesn't have a rival that anyone gives a S*** about.

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I'm not hating on anyone, I'm just looking for the same standards to be applied in judging fighters from different countries. I might have to start hating on Ivan Calderon....skinny little b*****, I'd f***** k*** *** ******** ***** ****** no way is ***** ***** got **** ******* ***** shorts.

Oh do please
I gave Joe all the credit on earth for getting in there with Kessler
Warren I wasnt exactly thrilled with in the negotiations,but thats not Joe thats Frank
Now if you wanted to say I hated Frank Warren,Id have to concede that point

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Oh do please
I gave Joe all the credit on earth for getting in there with Kessler
Warren I wasnt exactly thrilled with in the negotiations,but thats not Joe thats Frank
Now if you wanted to say I hated Frank Warren,Id have to concede that point

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Does anyone like Frank?