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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Philly is Philly.
It's only a small percentage of the world's population
Not if youve lived there your whole life
I've lived in Galway my whole life. Yet i know that we're only contributors to the greater population.
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Philly is Philly.
It's only a small percentage of the world's population
Not if youve lived there your whole life
I've lived in Galway my whole life. Yet i know that we're only contributors to the greater population.
Philly isnt Galway
Philly might safely be described as the most segragated city in the Northern US
A black mayor burned down two whole city blocks there to get out some black sepratists to prove he was a "good boy"
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Philly is Philly.
It's only a small percentage of the world's population
Not if youve lived there your whole life
I've lived in Galway my whole life. Yet i know that we're only contributors to the greater population.
Philly isnt Galway
Philly might safely be described as the most segragated city in the Northern US
A black mayor burned down two whole city blocks there to get out some black sepratists to prove he was a "good boy"
Thats great, but Philly isn't the world capital either. What goes on in your home town is not the most importamt thing that happens in the world.
Nor are the attitudes of the people of that area reflective of the world as a whole.
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Philly is Philly.
It's only a small percentage of the world's population
Not if youve lived there your whole life
I've lived in Galway my whole life. Yet i know that we're only contributors to the greater population.
Philly isnt Galway
Philly might safely be described as the most segragated city in the Northern US
A black mayor burned down two whole city blocks there to get out some black sepratists to prove he was a "good boy"
Thats great, but Philly isn't the world capital either. What goes on in your home town is not the most importamt thing that happens in the world.
Nor are the attitudes of the people of that area reflective of the world as a whole.
Donny,let me hand you a clue here
I had no idea how racist Philly was until I left it
What you know,is what you know
And on top of it,why can Chris Rock say it,or Richard Pryor say it,and its funny
Bernard uses the exact same words talking about Saint Joe
It isnt funny anymore
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Philly is Philly.
It's only a small percentage of the world's population
Not if youve lived there your whole life
I've lived in Galway my whole life. Yet i know that we're only contributors to the greater population.
Philly isnt Galway
Philly might safely be described as the most segragated city in the Northern US
A black mayor burned down two whole city blocks there to get out some black sepratists to prove he was a "good boy"
Thats great, but Philly isn't the world capital either. What goes on in your home town is not the most importamt thing that happens in the world.
Nor are the attitudes of the people of that area reflective of the world as a whole.
Donny,let me hand you a clue here
I had no idea how racist Philly was until I left it
What you know,is what you know
And on top of it,why can Chris Rock say it,or Richard Pryor say it,and its funny
Bernard uses the exact same words talking about Saint Joe
It isnt funny anymore
I have a clue thanks.
And once more, I have no interest in Philly. I'm talking about the world as an entirity.
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
To deal with the world in its entirity,you have to learn to deal with the bits that are right in front of you
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
Philly's right in front of you.
To me it has only passing relevance.
And my theory on life is different.
The world is different to every individual as each person has a different perspective and outlook. I look at the world and identify the good and positive points and when a bad thing slaps me in the face i look on how i can improve it. The easiest way to improve a bad situation is positive thinking.
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
So Reagan was roughly thrown out of office for his antics during Cooney/Holmes right?
I mean the President Of The Entire United States should be held to a signifigantly higher standard then a boxer right? A convicted felon no less,right?
What are you on about?
One thing I get tired of is people harping on political correctness.....yeah people should be able to speak their minds.
Shutting everyone up doesn't make racism any less of an issue, it actually makes the true racists harder to find.
And another thing, what does Al Sharpton have against the letter N, the original "N-word", Nappy, and noose now all carry racist weight to them.....it won't be long before keyboards won't have the letter N on them at all.
I don't advocate the use of such words but saying "the N-word" it's almost like Harry Potter saying "he who shall not be named"....you end up making the word something bigger than just a word and that is all it is....it's just a word. I'm not saying it's not a hurtful word or everything should just be forgotten about but when will the healing begin and when can this issue of racism become just a part of our past so we can focus on the future
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
So Reagan was roughly thrown out of office for his antics during Cooney/Holmes right?
I mean the President Of The Entire United States should be held to a signifigantly higher standard then a boxer right? A convicted felon no less,right?
What are you on about?
One thing I get tired of is people harping on political correctness.....yeah people should be able to speak their minds.
Shutting everyone up doesn't make racism any less of an issue, it actually makes the true racists harder to find.
And another thing, what does Al Sharpton have against the letter N, the original "N-word", Nappy, and noose now all carry racist weight to them.....it won't be long before keyboards won't have the letter N on them at all.
I don't advocate the use of such words but saying "the N-word" it's almost like Harry Potter saying "he who shall not be named"....you end up making the word something bigger than just a word and that is all it is....it's just a word. I'm not saying it's not a hurtful word or everything should just be forgotten about but when will the healing begin and when can this issue of racism become just a part of our past so we can focus on the future
You honestly dont know do you?
The President of The United States bought in to the great white hope thing with Cooney to the extent there was a line specially installed in Cooneys dressing room to congratulate him.
There was no such line in Holmes dressing room
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Sorry Bilbo, but I'm afraid whilst the comment in of itself isn't high on the racist scale, what it does do is suggest something about the man behind the words and the implication that he believes himself to be better than any white man to ever pull on boxing gloves. And in that, he rules out the possibility that any white man could be better than him, which is racist.
In terms of scale of racism, it is close to one one the one to ten scale of severity, but it still is racist.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.
I can't see how it would need to reach such a scale to become racist, surely just a comment about a p**i at the corner store or a n****r is racist, and doesn't involve any of your description.
It's not racist Rhun. The balck man has a long history stretching back hundreds of years of being oppressed by white's. If they have any resentments it's nothing to do with being racist and everything to do with history.
Growing up as a black in America where white's rule you are bound to feel some resentment and general hostility.
Is it any coincidence that virtually all of boxing's most flashy and flamboyant characters are/were black?
They have come from being part of a social underclass to being achievers in a white world.
It may sound hypocritical to say it would have been racist if the other way around but that is defintely the case here because of history.
I've said this before on the forum but past association is everything.
If Santa puts your child on his knee, ruffles there hair and shouts 'Ho ho ho, merry christmas' and gives them a present it's fun and part of what christmas is supposed to be about. If Gary Glitter on the other hand was to attempt to do that to your child you'd have a different mindset entirely.
Black people in general don't have any power to racially subjecate white people so they have little power to actually be racist.
Black gangs certainly can act racially in America but how can Hopkins actually be racist towards Calzaghe?
If you were to tell me you hated your boss and thought he was a c*** that's no crime. If your boss on the other hand tells another senior member of staff that you are a c*** that could be construed as intimidation or prejadicial seeing as your boss and other senior members of your workplace have authority over you.
Does that make sense?
Bilbo. I typically like your offbeat sense of humor and don't take issue with your words, usually. But this...
I am black and I have a question; what the hell are you talking about? One of the "equalities" that we as black people (I'm slightly disgusted with the "we" concept, associating myself with a group of people I don't know on the whole) was to be seen as no different from anyone else. Exactly for what reason do I have to hold resentment and hostility against white people? Simply because there are more of "them" than there are of "us"? If I went to India right now there'd be more of them than me too but I have no reason to resent them. And to reduce "us" to a bubbling cauldron of emotions ready to pour over at any minute simply because of what happened in our ancestral history. Thinking like that ranks along with the minds who think reparations are a good idea and to me that is one of the biggest jokes/insults running. To pay me for something that has nothing to do with me, that I didn't experience personally out of tax money that I and a country full of people who likewise have no direct knowledge is simply idiotic. You paint black people like were liabel to punch whitey at the drop of a dime. I don't want to hit anybody (especially considering people hit back). I do get what you're saying and recognize there are people who are like that who walk around with that chip on their shoulders, but I avoid those people just as much as any white person would. Don't reduce us to any one thing because "we" are no less complex than "you".
By the way, what exactly did Hopkins say anyway?
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
So Reagan was roughly thrown out of office for his antics during Cooney/Holmes right?
I mean the President Of The Entire United States should be held to a signifigantly higher standard then a boxer right? A convicted felon no less,right?
What are you on about?
One thing I get tired of is people harping on political correctness.....yeah people should be able to speak their minds.
Shutting everyone up doesn't make racism any less of an issue, it actually makes the true racists harder to find.
And another thing, what does Al Sharpton have against the letter N, the original "N-word", Nappy, and noose now all carry racist weight to them.....it won't be long before keyboards won't have the letter N on them at all.
I don't advocate the use of such words but saying "the N-word" it's almost like Harry Potter saying "he who shall not be named"....you end up making the word something bigger than just a word and that is all it is....it's just a word. I'm not saying it's not a hurtful word or everything should just be forgotten about but when will the healing begin and when can this issue of racism become just a part of our past so we can focus on the future
Very well said.... We are just carrying the past now... I mean, a black person can use the N word against another black person an it's fine. But a white person said it and they're likely to get themselves shot..... Why? Because of the past..... I'm with you, history still carries a lot of weight for a lot of people, but when does the healing begin??? When can he word racism finally be forgotten???
Are we just as bad as muslims and want to hang someone for mentioning a certain word that we have strong emotional connections too?? Everyone calls them crazy extremists for wanting to kill someone for naming a bear (naming a bear the same name that half their population has mind you)... But if Joe had of called hopkins the n word,,,,, it would have been WW3 and I have no doubt the reactions would have been similar to that of 'crazy' muslims...
We live in an advanced country and eventually we have to advance our thinking! No one can legally hurt or descriminate against someone of colour... That time is over as far as law goes.... People call other people names EVERY DAY, on EVERY INCH of the PLANET.... Everyone has tried to hurt someone by their words, and most likely everyone has been hurt at someone stage.... It's life! In high school people were called horrible things every single day.. Fuck I had some horrible years in younger high school... Yet we're living in the 'muslim' dark ages when someone points out someone is another colour..
It's little more than political incorrectness now...
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Dizaster
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
So Reagan was roughly thrown out of office for his antics during Cooney/Holmes right?
I mean the President Of The Entire United States should be held to a signifigantly higher standard then a boxer right? A convicted felon no less,right?
What are you on about?
One thing I get tired of is people harping on political correctness.....yeah people should be able to speak their minds.
Shutting everyone up doesn't make racism any less of an issue, it actually makes the true racists harder to find.
And another thing, what does Al Sharpton have against the letter N, the original "N-word", Nappy, and noose now all carry racist weight to them.....it won't be long before keyboards won't have the letter N on them at all.
I don't advocate the use of such words but saying "the N-word" it's almost like Harry Potter saying "he who shall not be named"....you end up making the word something bigger than just a word and that is all it is....it's just a word. I'm not saying it's not a hurtful word or everything should just be forgotten about but when will the healing begin and when can this issue of racism become just a part of our past so we can focus on the future
Very well said.... We are just carrying the past now... I mean, a black person can use the N word against another black person an it's fine. But a white person said it and they're likely to get themselves shot..... Why? Because of the past..... I'm with you, history still carries a lot of weight for a lot of people, but when does the healing begin??? When can he word racism finally be forgotten???
Are we just as bad as muslims and want to hang someone for mentioning a certain word that we have strong emotional connections too?? Everyone calls them crazy extremists for wanting to kill someone for naming a bear (naming a bear the same name that half their population has mind you)... But if Joe had of called hopkins the n word,,,,, it would have been WW3 and I have no doubt the reactions would have been similar to that of 'crazy' muslims...
When we we say we live in an advanced country and eventually we have to advance our thinking? No one can legally hurt or descriminate against someone of colour... That time is over as far as law goes.... People call other people names EVERY DAY, on EVERY INCH of the PLANET.... Everyone has tried to hurt someone by their words, and most likely everyone has been hurt at someone stage.... It's life! In high school people were called horrible things every single day... Yet we're living in the 'muslim' dark ages when someone points out someone is another colour....
Last I checked Cooney and Holmes were still very much alive
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by liquid
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Sorry Bilbo, but I'm afraid whilst the comment in of itself isn't high on the racist scale, what it does do is suggest something about the man behind the words and the implication that he believes himself to be better than any white man to ever pull on boxing gloves. And in that, he rules out the possibility that any white man could be better than him, which is racist.
In terms of scale of racism, it is close to one one the one to ten scale of severity, but it still is racist.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.
I can't see how it would need to reach such a scale to become racist, surely just a comment about a p**i at the corner store or a n****r is racist, and doesn't involve any of your description.
It's not racist Rhun. The balck man has a long history stretching back hundreds of years of being oppressed by white's. If they have any resentments it's nothing to do with being racist and everything to do with history.
Growing up as a black in America where white's rule you are bound to feel some resentment and general hostility.
Is it any coincidence that virtually all of boxing's most flashy and flamboyant characters are/were black?
They have come from being part of a social underclass to being achievers in a white world.
It may sound hypocritical to say it would have been racist if the other way around but that is defintely the case here because of history.
I've said this before on the forum but past association is everything.
If Santa puts your child on his knee, ruffles there hair and shouts 'Ho ho ho, merry christmas' and gives them a present it's fun and part of what christmas is supposed to be about. If Gary Glitter on the other hand was to attempt to do that to your child you'd have a different mindset entirely.
Black people in general don't have any power to racially subjecate white people so they have little power to actually be racist.
Black gangs certainly can act racially in America but how can Hopkins actually be racist towards Calzaghe?
If you were to tell me you hated your boss and thought he was a c*** that's no crime. If your boss on the other hand tells another senior member of staff that you are a c*** that could be construed as intimidation or prejadicial seeing as your boss and other senior members of your workplace have authority over you.
Does that make sense?
Bilbo. I typically like your offbeat sense of humor and don't take issue with your words, usually. But this...
I am black and I have a question; what the hell are you talking about? One of the "equalities" that we as black people (I'm slightly disgusted with the "we" concept, associating myself with a group of people I don't know on the whole) was to be seen as no different from anyone else. Exactly for what reason do I have to hold resentment and hostility against white people? Simply because there are more of "them" than there are of "us"? If I went to India right now there'd be more of them than me too but I have no reason to resent them. And to reduce "us" to a bubbling cauldron of emotions ready to pour over at any minute simply because of what happened in our ancestral history. Thinking like that ranks along with the minds who think reparations are a good idea and to me that is one of the biggest jokes/insults running. To pay me for something that has nothing to do with me, that I didn't experience personally out of tax money that I and a country full of people who likewise have no direct knowledge is simply idiotic. You paint black people like were liabel to punch whitey at the drop of a dime. I don't want to hit anybody (especially considering people hit back). I do get what you're saying and recognize there are people who are like that who walk around with that chip on their shoulders, but I avoid those people just as much as any white person would. Don't reduce us to any one thing because "we" are no less complex than "you".
By the way, what exactly did Hopkins say anyway?
Nah mate you misunderstand me. What I'm saying is that in these days of political correctness and tolerance it is said that there should be no racism from either side, and I agree.
But what I find irritating is that a black man clearly just trying to hype a fight and put a bit of needle between him and Joe when he says ' I would never lose to a white man', is deemed as racist behaviour as if his comments are as bad as some of the racist outrages that occur on the other side of the fence.
To try and make an analogy here.
Imagine you are a low rung employee in a big firm. The boss is on a power trip and takes advantage of his staff. He denies them proper breaks, he mocks them, he makes them carry out humiliating tasks. He continually finds ways to dock their pay and generally just doesn't treat them very well.
Meanwhile a low end worker is overheard saying the boss is an asshole.
Now eventually the boss is found out and disciplined and fired for discriminating against his staff and a fair employer brought in to run the company.
But imagine the low end worker who was overheard calling the last boss an asshole to another co worker is also accused of discrimination and fired.
It doesn't make sense does it? The low end worker was a victim of discrimination and therefore was just voicing his opinion of the man who was taking advantage of him and his fellow workers. The actuall offenses were being carried out by the boss.
It's the exact same thing here. Nowadays we are all touchy feely about racism and ready to jump on someone when they say anything that our extreme sensibilities can get offended by.
Hopkins says he will never lose to a white man, 'RACISM!' the pc brigade shouts and points at him.
What was his racist behaviousr though? What did he do? How has he acted in a racist way whatesoever? He just said he will never lose to a white man. People say it's racism because he mentioned a colour but what was actually racist about the comment?
It's just the shitty political correctness beige brigade trying to once again show how tuned in they are about anti racism.
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
No,no,your right,the past is the past
And Cooney/Holmes was over 20 years ago
And as far as we're certain,nobodies chained a black man to the back bumper of a truck for about a decade for being black
Charles Manson your free to go
Also way to show a keen understanding of how people talk in Southeastern PA
Now if he'd said honky or cracker
Well then youd have a perfectly valid point
I gues Waiting For My Man by The Velvet Underground(who are white as the driven snow) should now be changed to "Hey there caucasian male of possible European descent,what you doing up town?"
Ya'all bitch about PC,but you desperatly want your own slice of the PC pie
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by liquid
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Sorry Bilbo, but I'm afraid whilst the comment in of itself isn't high on the racist scale, what it does do is suggest something about the man behind the words and the implication that he believes himself to be better than any white man to ever pull on boxing gloves. And in that, he rules out the possibility that any white man could be better than him, which is racist.
In terms of scale of racism, it is close to one one the one to ten scale of severity, but it still is racist.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.
I can't see how it would need to reach such a scale to become racist, surely just a comment about a p**i at the corner store or a n****r is racist, and doesn't involve any of your description.
It's not racist Rhun. The balck man has a long history stretching back hundreds of years of being oppressed by white's. If they have any resentments it's nothing to do with being racist and everything to do with history.
Growing up as a black in America where white's rule you are bound to feel some resentment and general hostility.
Is it any coincidence that virtually all of boxing's most flashy and flamboyant characters are/were black?
They have come from being part of a social underclass to being achievers in a white world.
It may sound hypocritical to say it would have been racist if the other way around but that is defintely the case here because of history.
I've said this before on the forum but past association is everything.
If Santa puts your child on his knee, ruffles there hair and shouts 'Ho ho ho, merry christmas' and gives them a present it's fun and part of what christmas is supposed to be about. If Gary Glitter on the other hand was to attempt to do that to your child you'd have a different mindset entirely.
Black people in general don't have any power to racially subjecate white people so they have little power to actually be racist.
Black gangs certainly can act racially in America but how can Hopkins actually be racist towards Calzaghe?
If you were to tell me you hated your boss and thought he was a c*** that's no crime. If your boss on the other hand tells another senior member of staff that you are a c*** that could be construed as intimidation or prejadicial seeing as your boss and other senior members of your workplace have authority over you.
Does that make sense?
Bilbo. I typically like your offbeat sense of humor and don't take issue with your words, usually. But this...
I am black and I have a question; what the hell are you talking about? One of the "equalities" that we as black people (I'm slightly disgusted with the "we" concept, associating myself with a group of people I don't know on the whole) was to be seen as no different from anyone else. Exactly for what reason do I have to hold resentment and hostility against white people? Simply because there are more of "them" than there are of "us"? If I went to India right now there'd be more of them than me too but I have no reason to resent them. And to reduce "us" to a bubbling cauldron of emotions ready to pour over at any minute simply because of what happened in our ancestral history. Thinking like that ranks along with the minds who think reparations are a good idea and to me that is one of the biggest jokes/insults running. To pay me for something that has nothing to do with me, that I didn't experience personally out of tax money that I and a country full of people who likewise have no direct knowledge is simply idiotic. You paint black people like were liabel to punch whitey at the drop of a dime. I don't want to hit anybody (especially considering people hit back). I do get what you're saying and recognize there are people who are like that who walk around with that chip on their shoulders, but I avoid those people just as much as any white person would. Don't reduce us to any one thing because "we" are no less complex than "you".
By the way, what exactly did Hopkins say anyway?
Nah mate you misunderstand me. What I'm saying is that in these days of political correctness and tolerance it is said that there should be no racism from either side, and I agree.
But what I find irritating is that a black man clearly just trying to hype a fight and put a bit of needle between him and Joe when he says ' I would never lose to a white man', is deemed as racist behaviour as if his comments are as bad as some of the racist outrages that occur on the other side of the fence.
To try and make an analogy here.
Imagine you are a low rung employee in a big firm. The boss is on a power trip and takes advantage of his staff. He denies them proper breaks, he mocks them, he makes them carry out humiliating tasks. He continually finds ways to dock their pay and generally just doesn't treat them very well.
Meanwhile a low end worker is overheard saying the boss is an asshole.
Now eventually the boss is found out and disciplined and fired for discriminating against his staff and a fair employer brought in to run the company.
But imagine the low end worker who was overheard calling the last boss an asshole to another co worker is also accused of discrimination and fired.
It doesn't make sense does it? The low end worker was a victim of discrimination and therefore was just voicing his opinion of the man who was taking advantage of him and his fellow workers. The actuall offenses were being carried out by the boss.
It's the exact same thing here. Nowadays we are all touchy feely about racism and ready to jump on someone when they say anything that our extreme sensibilities can get offended by.
Hopkins says he will never lose to a white man, 'RACISM!' the pc brigade shouts and points at him.
What was his racist behaviousr though? What did he do? How has he acted in a racist way whatesoever? He just said he will never lose to a white man. People say it's racism because he mentioned a colour but what was actually racist about the comment?
It's just the shitty political correctness beige brigade trying to once again show how tuned in they are about anti racism.
So that's what Hopkins said? It's on the lighter side of racist, but it still is. And your analogy only works if you put white people in the position of being in charge of black people and slavery ended over 100 years ago. I get what you mean, of the two races that black people are the more downtrodden, but c'mon, Hopkins is a millionaire. Some douche on a street corner calls Hopkins the n-word all he has to do is reach into his pocket and pat his billfold to put it in perspective. What Hopkins said is pandering to the notion that black people fight with an anger that white people don't possess, that it's more natural to us and thus why you should always 'bet on black'. It's crap, because black people lose to white people all the time. Had Joe been from Nigeria Hopkins would have said something else as to why he couldn't lose to him. I don't take him as being a racist for saying it (even though Nation of Islamers are flaming racists from what I've seen of them) because I know where it comes from, but it is a racist comment. It's just not a big whoop to me.
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by liquid
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by liquid
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Sorry Bilbo, but I'm afraid whilst the comment in of itself isn't high on the racist scale, what it does do is suggest something about the man behind the words and the implication that he believes himself to be better than any white man to ever pull on boxing gloves. And in that, he rules out the possibility that any white man could be better than him, which is racist.
In terms of scale of racism, it is close to one one the one to ten scale of severity, but it still is racist.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Real racism involves the subjection of one group of people by another, treatment of brutality, of slavery, of intimidation and hostility. It involves the taking away the rights of one race by another.
I can't see how it would need to reach such a scale to become racist, surely just a comment about a p**i at the corner store or a n****r is racist, and doesn't involve any of your description.
It's not racist Rhun. The balck man has a long history stretching back hundreds of years of being oppressed by white's. If they have any resentments it's nothing to do with being racist and everything to do with history.
Growing up as a black in America where white's rule you are bound to feel some resentment and general hostility.
Is it any coincidence that virtually all of boxing's most flashy and flamboyant characters are/were black?
They have come from being part of a social underclass to being achievers in a white world.
It may sound hypocritical to say it would have been racist if the other way around but that is defintely the case here because of history.
I've said this before on the forum but past association is everything.
If Santa puts your child on his knee, ruffles there hair and shouts 'Ho ho ho, merry christmas' and gives them a present it's fun and part of what christmas is supposed to be about. If Gary Glitter on the other hand was to attempt to do that to your child you'd have a different mindset entirely.
Black people in general don't have any power to racially subjecate white people so they have little power to actually be racist.
Black gangs certainly can act racially in America but how can Hopkins actually be racist towards Calzaghe?
If you were to tell me you hated your boss and thought he was a c*** that's no crime. If your boss on the other hand tells another senior member of staff that you are a c*** that could be construed as intimidation or prejadicial seeing as your boss and other senior members of your workplace have authority over you.
Does that make sense?
Bilbo. I typically like your offbeat sense of humor and don't take issue with your words, usually. But this...
I am black and I have a question; what the hell are you talking about? One of the "equalities" that we as black people (I'm slightly disgusted with the "we" concept, associating myself with a group of people I don't know on the whole) was to be seen as no different from anyone else. Exactly for what reason do I have to hold resentment and hostility against white people? Simply because there are more of "them" than there are of "us"? If I went to India right now there'd be more of them than me too but I have no reason to resent them. And to reduce "us" to a bubbling cauldron of emotions ready to pour over at any minute simply because of what happened in our ancestral history. Thinking like that ranks along with the minds who think reparations are a good idea and to me that is one of the biggest jokes/insults running. To pay me for something that has nothing to do with me, that I didn't experience personally out of tax money that I and a country full of people who likewise have no direct knowledge is simply idiotic. You paint black people like were liabel to punch whitey at the drop of a dime. I don't want to hit anybody (especially considering people hit back). I do get what you're saying and recognize there are people who are like that who walk around with that chip on their shoulders, but I avoid those people just as much as any white person would. Don't reduce us to any one thing because "we" are no less complex than "you".
By the way, what exactly did Hopkins say anyway?
Nah mate you misunderstand me. What I'm saying is that in these days of political correctness and tolerance it is said that there should be no racism from either side, and I agree.
But what I find irritating is that a black man clearly just trying to hype a fight and put a bit of needle between him and Joe when he says ' I would never lose to a white man', is deemed as racist behaviour as if his comments are as bad as some of the racist outrages that occur on the other side of the fence.
To try and make an analogy here.
Imagine you are a low rung employee in a big firm. The boss is on a power trip and takes advantage of his staff. He denies them proper breaks, he mocks them, he makes them carry out humiliating tasks. He continually finds ways to dock their pay and generally just doesn't treat them very well.
Meanwhile a low end worker is overheard saying the boss is an asshole.
Now eventually the boss is found out and disciplined and fired for discriminating against his staff and a fair employer brought in to run the company.
But imagine the low end worker who was overheard calling the last boss an asshole to another co worker is also accused of discrimination and fired.
It doesn't make sense does it? The low end worker was a victim of discrimination and therefore was just voicing his opinion of the man who was taking advantage of him and his fellow workers. The actuall offenses were being carried out by the boss.
It's the exact same thing here. Nowadays we are all touchy feely about racism and ready to jump on someone when they say anything that our extreme sensibilities can get offended by.
Hopkins says he will never lose to a white man, 'RACISM!' the pc brigade shouts and points at him.
What was his racist behaviousr though? What did he do? How has he acted in a racist way whatesoever? He just said he will never lose to a white man. People say it's racism because he mentioned a colour but what was actually racist about the comment?
It's just the shitty political correctness beige brigade trying to once again show how tuned in they are about anti racism.
So that's what Hopkins said? It's on the lighter side of racist, but it still is. And your analogy only works if you put white people in the position of being in charge of black people and slavery ended over 100 years ago. I get what you mean, of the two races that black people are the more downtrodden, but c'mon, Hopkins is a millionaire. Some douche on a street corner calls Hopkins the n-word all he has to do is reach into his pocket and pat his billfold to put it in perspective. What Hopkins said is pandering to the notion that black people fight with an anger that white people don't possess, that it's more natural to us and thus why you should always 'bet on black'. It's crap, because black people lose to white people all the time. Had Joe been from Nigeria Hopkins would have said something else as to why he couldn't lose to him. I don't take him as being a racist for saying it (even though Nation of Islamers are flaming racists from what I've seen of them) because I know where it comes from, but it is a racist comment. It's just not a big whoop to me.
I guess my poiint is this, anti racism laws were basically brought in to protect black's and other minorites from discrimination from white's. I just find it deeply ironic how now the pc brigade think they have levelled the playing field and that everybody is equal they can confidently point the finger at black offenders and shout 'RACIST!' becuase they mentioned the W word.
And let's be real here, black discrimination didn't end over a hundred and fifty years ago when slavery was abolished it still continues to the present day. Black's in both the US and UK are far more likely to live below the poverty line than whites, far more likely to have criminal records, far more likely to be arrested etc.
As trainermonkey points out Hopkins grew up in one of the most segregated cities in America and obviously feels a bit of needle over white people in power. His comment wasn't racist to me in the slightest, just a bit of needle to try and make this fight happen. He wants to rile Joe up and get him to sign the contract.
Whether Hopkins is a multi millionaire now has nothing to do with it, he's still a street rat and proud of it I'd imagine.
So basically what I'm saying is that now the pc brigade have reduced racism to merely mentioning the colour of a race not your own. If you mention another colour and say anything negative at all you're a racist.
Meanwhile those in charge can continue to ensure that black minorites are taken off the electral register so that they can't vote, we continue to ensure that by and large black's are far more likely to be at the lower end of the social spectrum, have the worse jobs, have less university opportunites etc but as long as we are careful to tread the PC line and say all the right things it's all ok. ::**
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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what did hopkins say
He said he would never lose a fight to a white man.
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It's just a poorly drawn up marketing ploy , trying and draw up some type of interest in the match.
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Whether Hopkins is a multi millionaire now has nothing to do with it, he's still a street rat and proud of it I'd imagine.
???
Fact is if a white fighter had said it about a black fighter there would be more flaming than there is now.(btw ages ago didn't Oscar say something stupid about black fighters not being able to take shots to the body?)
It could be taken as a racist comment even though I don't believe it was meant in that way at all.
It's all to hype the fight, Joe calls the beat up 42 year Hopkins a coward for not fighting him (btw how come he overcame his fear of flying all of a sudden? Did Paul McKenna join camp?) Hopkins calls him white (which he is :) )
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Whether Hopkins is a multi millionaire now has nothing to do with it, he's still a street rat and proud of it I'd imagine.
???
Fact is if a white fighter had said it about a black fighter there would be more flaming than there is now.(btw ages ago didn't Oscar say something stupid about black fighters not being able to take shots to the body?)
It could be taken as a racist comment even though I don't believe it was meant in that way at all.
It's all to hype the fight, Joe calls the beat up 42 year Hopkins a coward for not fighting him (btw how come he overcame his fear of flying all of a sudden? Did Paul McKenna join camp?)
Hopkins calls him white (which he is :) )
Technically he's white due to the colour of his skin but being Welsh he has very little in common with proper white's i.e English.
I'd say he's more a mongrel white, a Celtic mix of peasant inbreds, and the descendants of the Marcher Lords and Roman conquerers.
There not gypo's hence not as bad as the Irish, but are some way behind the Scots... and the Scots themselves are scum.
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
Noone realises thats thats how they talk there do they? ???
Or noone gives a damn
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
Technically he's white due to the colour of his skin but being Welsh he has very little in common with proper white's i.e English.
I'd say he's more a mongrel white, a Celtic mix of peasant inbreds, and the descendants of the Marcher Lords and Roman conquerers.
There not gypo's hence not as bad as the Irish, but are some way behind the Scots... and the Scots themselves are scum.
The above quote is from a man proud of his country's history, it's ancient hierarchy and all the lecherous, incestuous deeds therein.
Referring to his immediate geographical neighbours as a mix of Celtic Inbred Peasents he fails to mention the fact that his country comprises of the exact same genetical equation.
In reply to the Roman conquerers comment, they visited us, never conquered us, unlike your country :D
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
Bilbos taking the piss there
He has to be
The British Isles have been invaded so many times,there isnt anybody on either island thats,I dont even know how to describe the concept of what white people think of themselves
Of course it isnt just The British Isles,its all of Europe
What,you think the Huns didnt leave some babies around?
Or the Mongols?
Or the Moors?
Face the facts folks,white is just a skin tone,there is no white race,and hasnt been for hundreds upon hundreds of years
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
Dead right...
Ican trace my family blood back hundreds of years....
I got Celtic chieftains there mos directly, an equal mix of French Normans, got some Saxon too....
Lots n lots of races mixed to make the race we are today.
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Dead right...
Ican trace my family blood back hundreds of years....
I got Celtic chieftains there mos directly, an equal mix of French Normans, got some Saxon too....
Lots n lots of races mixed to make the race we are today.
To look at me youd see blond hair and blue eyes
But the truth is Im Cherokee Polish German and Swedish
Theres some "non-white" there to be sure
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Dead right...
Ican trace my family blood back hundreds of years....
I got Celtic chieftains there mos directly, an equal mix of French Normans, got some Saxon too....
Lots n lots of races mixed to make the race we are today.
To look at me youd see blond hair and blue eyes
But the truth is Im Cherokee Polish German and Swedish
Theres some "non-white" there to be sure
My fam...well its a big Celtic name, theres only one true Blood line of um and they are well described in text...as blue eyed fair haired Celts.
I most closely resemble a Mexican!
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Dead right...
Ican trace my family blood back hundreds of years....
I got Celtic chieftains there mos directly, an equal mix of French Normans, got some Saxon too....
Lots n lots of races mixed to make the race we are today.
To look at me youd see blond hair and blue eyes
But the truth is Im Cherokee Polish German and Swedish
Theres some "non-white" there to be sure
My fam...well its a big Celtic name, theres only one true Blood line of um and they are well described in text...as blue eyed fair haired Celts.
I most closely resemble a Mexican!
you wish ;D
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Bilbos taking the piss there
He has to be
The British Isles have been invaded so many times,there isnt anybody on either island thats,I dont even know how to describe the concept of what white people think of themselves
Of course it isnt just The British Isles,its all of Europe
What,you think the Huns didnt leave some babies around?
Or the Mongols?
Or the Moors?
Face the facts folks,white is just a skin tone,there is no white race,and hasnt been for hundreds upon hundreds of years
is there a black race? Are the Welsh a race?
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Dead right...
Ican trace my family blood back hundreds of years....
I got Celtic chieftains there mos directly, an equal mix of French Normans, got some Saxon too....
Lots n lots of races mixed to make the race we are today.
To look at me youd see blond hair and blue eyes
But the truth is Im Cherokee Polish German and Swedish
Theres some "non-white" there to be sure
My fam...well its a big Celtic name, theres only one true Blood line of um and they are well described in text...as blue eyed fair haired Celts.
I most closely resemble a Mexican!
you wish ;D
Posting a vid in the other room tonight or tomorrow...
Ul see :)
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Bilbos taking the piss there
He has to be
The British Isles have been invaded so many times,there isnt anybody on either island thats,I dont even know how to describe the concept of what white people think of themselves
Of course it isnt just The British Isles,its all of Europe
What,you think the Huns didnt leave some babies around?
Or the Mongols?
Or the Moors?
Face the facts folks,white is just a skin tone,there is no white race,and hasnt been for hundreds upon hundreds of years
is there a black race? Are the Welsh a race?
Not really
Most African Americans are really a variation of Mullatto
And forget Welsh,hell Calzaghe is half Italian,which isnt even close
And back to what I was trying to point out,in that part of the country,yes,we do refferr to each other as white boy,or black boy
It isnt an insult per se
When I was a kid,my family was having one of their routine arguments,must of been about 7 at the time
So I said bugger this for a lark,and wandered off(it was a long time ago,you could do that then)I wandered in to a black family having a 4th Of July gathering
I really dont think Grandma Johnson meant it as an insult when she said,"Get that white boy some more collared greens and chicken,boy but he can eat"
Interestingly her one grandson said almost exactly what Hopkins said,right before I beat his a$$ for sucker punching me years later.
And Tony if your out again,or they have access in the pen,you know its true,I beat your a$$
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Missy
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Dead right...
Ican trace my family blood back hundreds of years....
I got Celtic chieftains there mos directly, an equal mix of French Normans, got some Saxon too....
Lots n lots of races mixed to make the race we are today.
To look at me youd see blond hair and blue eyes
But the truth is Im Cherokee Polish German and Swedish
Theres some "non-white" there to be sure
My fam...well its a big Celtic name, theres only one true Blood line of um and they are well described in text...as blue eyed fair haired Celts.
I most closely resemble a Mexican!
you wish ;D
Posting a vid in the other room tonight or tomorrow...
Ul see :)
aye chihuahua ;D
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Missy
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Bilbos taking the piss there
He has to be
The British Isles have been invaded so many times,there isnt anybody on either island thats,I dont even know how to describe the concept of what white people think of themselves
Of course it isnt just The British Isles,its all of Europe
What,you think the Huns didnt leave some babies around?
Or the Mongols?
Or the Moors?
Face the facts folks,white is just a skin tone,there is no white race,and hasnt been for hundreds upon hundreds of years
is there a black race? Are the Welsh a race?
Not really
Most African Americans are really a variation of Mullatto
And forget Welsh,hell Calzaghe is half Italian,which isnt even close
And back to what I was trying to point out,in that part of the country,yes,we do refferr to each other as white boy,or black boy
It isnt an insult per se
When I was a kid,my family was having one of their routine arguments,must of been about 7 at the time
So I said bugger this for a lark,and wandered off(it was a long time ago,you could do that then)I wandered in to a black family having a 4th Of July gathering
I really dont think Grandma Johnson meant it as an insult when she said,"Get that white boy some more collared greens and chicken,boy but he can eat"
Interestingly her one grandson said almost exactly what Hopkins said,right before I beat his a$$ for sucker punching me years later.
And Tony if your out again,or they have access in the pen,you know its true,I beat your a$$
which begs the question, no one is racist, they're colourist :-\
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Dead right...
Ican trace my family blood back hundreds of years....
I got Celtic chieftains there mos directly, an equal mix of French Normans, got some Saxon too....
Lots n lots of races mixed to make the race we are today.
To look at me youd see blond hair and blue eyes
But the truth is Im Cherokee Polish German and Swedish
Theres some "non-white" there to be sure
My fam...well its a big Celtic name, theres only one true Blood line of um and they are well described in text...as blue eyed fair haired Celts.
I most closely resemble a Mexican!
you wish ;D
Posting a vid in the other room tonight or tomorrow...
Ul see :)
aye chihuahua ;D
HaHa Viva the White Boy.
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
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Originally Posted by undefeated
what did hopkins say
He said he would never lose a fight to a white man.
I remember Minter said something similar when he said *He wouldn't let a black man take the title from him* that was considered racist so why isn't Hopkins comment considered racist ??
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Originally Posted by undefeated
what did hopkins say
He said he would never lose a fight to a white man.
I remember Minter said something similar when he said *He wouldn't let a black man take the title from him* that was considered racist so why isn't Hopkins comment considered racist ??
As Ive pointed out,and your avoiding,thats how they talk in that part of the country
Again should the very white Velvet Undergrounds song "Waiting For My Man" lyrics be changed to "Hey there caucasian male possibly of European descent,what chu doing up town"?
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Re: Hopkins comment wasn't racist, get a life folks.
Blimey, you come out with some bollocks - Monkey.
Hopkins comments are considered racist by EVERYONE apart from a few excusers (you) and Bilbo.. and Bilbo is fucked in the head.
Hopkins isn't insulting someones nationality like he did with Tito.
"I would never let me a white boy beat me," Hopkins said five times.
"You can print that. I would never lose to a white person."
He sees the white person as inferior. Simple.
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Blimey, you come out with some bollocks - Monkey.
Hopkins comments are considered racist by EVERYONE apart from a few excusers (you) and Bilbo.. and Bilbo is fucked in the head.
Hopkins isn't insulting someones nationality like he did with Tito.
"I would never let me a white boy beat me," Hopkins said five times.
"You can print that. I would never lose to a white person."
He sees the white person as inferior. Simple.
Blimey,your confusing the two
What he said about Tito went to far,and he apologized for it
Simple
And when the hell was Peurto Rican considered white in the states for that matter,not in my lifetime to be sure
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