Ali is overrated, he cant beat the boxers of today, Roy would have done him in, Vitali would too and Lewis would have killed him, Tyson in the 80's would have KO'd him in 2. That is My truthful oppinion.
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Ali is overrated, he cant beat the boxers of today, Roy would have done him in, Vitali would too and Lewis would have killed him, Tyson in the 80's would have KO'd him in 2. That is My truthful oppinion.
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Originally Posted by gyrokai
Henry Tillman beat Tyson in the ametuers on points .... then Tyson blew him out in 1 round as a pro, what the fuck have you been smoking !!
So Tyrell Biggs is Lewis's daddy because he beat him in the Olympics .. but then Lewis destroyed him as a pro. what the fuck is your point scroat boy !!
^scroat boy? you mean scrotum? LMAO
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Originally Posted by ali2coolwitu
Hey we are not talking about who is the most famous shit breath .... we are talking who would beat who in the ring !!
One thing I can say is that Lennox Lewis practically put his championship in a trash bag after the Vitali fight, he did the same thing that Bowe did to him, other than that he was a consistent champ and you know what Im saying is true Marshmellow.
Outboxed by lewis, no way. Lewis would be lucky to hit him with the jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
Snakey .... you know fuck all
Ali in his prime was practically a light- heavyweight's frame, Lewis would be pumping that pin point jab in his face all night, and picking his booming right hands. Ali would be on the back foot and quite simply would not be able to box his fight !!
Are we forgeting what ali did to foreman? Lewis was nothing compared to ali or foreman. Rocky mate ali would of been simply too quick for lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
I dont know both(Tyson and Ali) but Lewis will beat both(Tyson and Ali) ! ! ! ::)
Lewis would be lucky to survive against the 80s tyson!
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Originally Posted by snakey
YOu now that Lewis is older then Tyson and he beat him eaisly ! ! !
Then we can too say Lewis from 80 ! ! ! ::)
Tyson was way better when he fought in the 80s. He had speed,power,good combos,head movement. Lewis fought the shot version of tyson. Im saying this and i hate tyson.
No at all . . . Lewis beat matter Tyson . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
And I am very sure Lewis can beat all verisons from Tyson ! ! ! Trush man Douglas beat too young Tyson and ? ? ?
I disagree. Lennox is not all that fast. He beat a slow, overweight Tyson when they fought and still got deducted two points for holding Tyson too much during that fight. Ali was too quick. I think he would've had Lennox seeing doubles.Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
40-2 Not great but good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
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Originally Posted by BalcoBonds25
Please say you just posted this for a bit of attention and that you dont realy belive it. ???
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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
He beat every man he faced and he faced everyone that was willing to face him !!
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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
And how do you think Ali would of fought Tyson ??? he would of held and tied Tyson up aswell, it would be boxing suicide to not grab hold of someone with Tyson's power then he got inside.
This place is full of dicks who know zip !!
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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
Hey I think there is only Marciano who retired with a better record out of all the champs !!
So did Marciano but people still hate him...Sometimes it doesn't matter what your record is for some people won't be pleased. There are always if's, but's, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
If Tyson fought Lewis on the moon....
But Bowe didn't fight Lewis because Lennox had an ugly haircut....
Rocky could have fought Liston, Ali, and Former US Senator Strom Thurmond but he was scared of them and stayed retired
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Lyle your contradicting yourself ya spaz, I typed Lewis beat everyone he faced and he faced everyone that was willing to face him.
Then you say so did Marciano... but finish off by saying Marciano was scared of fighting Liston, Ali, and Strom Thurmond.
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Originally Posted by snakey
Sorry to tell you this, but Lewis was in a different league all together to Foreman when it comes to boxing. Lewis was not to far behind Foreman with power either.
Ali to fast for Lewis ??? Lewis is just a big version of Ali with alot more power.
I have heard all the shite you yanks of got to say and none of you have came up with a realistic way that Ali could beat Lewis. He would be to fast for him ..... what the fuck does that mean !!
Lewis would have him backing up all night long and picking him off with his big reach advantage, and Ali would not have the power to worry Lewis, it would be a points victory if the carefull Lewis showed up, If the Lewis with something to prove showed up then I expect late stoppage !!
Tell ya, Lewis was the real deal.. first super heavyweight to use all is advantages to perfection !!
The 1967 ALI that fought ernie Terrel would beat Lewis anyday (Tyrel was 6'5-6'6) & fought like almost exactly like Lewis (fighting smart using his pinpoint jab & height) ALI won on pouints by hitting his arms when he blocked & out landed him....i have no reason to beleive a fight w/ lewis wouldnt be the same .....Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
ROCKY i'm just curious whats your excuse for the Klitschko -Lewis fight ...if you even try to say lewis out boxed vitali you didnt see it...AND tehy were both slow....how can you say ""Ali to fast for Lewis ???" Lewis is just a big version of Ali with alot more power. "Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
WELL....Ali took risks that Lewis didnt ....if lewis was any kind of version of Ali hed have been more exciting...have you ever seen any Ali fights in there entirety
Gawdamn Means, your too cool on this thread. :coolclick:
"Ali took risks that Lewis didnt ....if lewis was any kind of version of Ali hed have been more exciting...have you ever seen any Ali fights in there entirety"--Means2184
:) :) :)
Ali wast too fast for Tyson, he had too good a jab for Tyson and side to side movement which Buster Douglas proved that Tyson could not cope with. In his prime Ali beat some big punchers and no way could Tyson stay with him.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
wrong. marciano first retired because he not going 2 get enough money 2 fight the same people he already fought. plus his promoter took half his paycheck, (who rocky hated) and didnt want that scumbag to take anymore of his money. plus charles severly injured his nose. so after retiring for a couple of yrs. marciano lost his groove, now there would be big money involved to fight liston. so they beg to come and fight liston. ali wasnt even considered rocky prob about 37 yrs old now. realizes he is not what he used 2 b, because of his retirement. rocky knew liston was tough, and prob knew he couldnt win. and if he did lose, they would say " liston just beat an old man" just like hes been criticized for defeating joe louis. if liston fought thr rock when the rock was champ..rock would have accepted the fight and liston would have surly lost. rocky was SMART not scared. he said "comming out of retirement didnt do any good 4 louis, and ive learned from that". point being if ali(who wasnt even considered), liston or patterson had challenged him when he was champ....marciano would have accepted!
i think ali would win in the end. but not without taking a brutal beating
Lewis is nothing. 80's tyson will beat ali in alis prime in 7 rounds, Lewis in the first 5 seconds.
:coolclick: ty ,back at uQuote:
Originally Posted by gyrokai
I wouldn't even say that Lewis was more "powerful" than Ali or had a better jab. Ali had a nice, quick, and effective jab. Lewis does have a nice, stiff jab, but he could barely beat Klitchko. Still, a lot of people fail to realize that Lewis only won 40 fights before he retired. I don't know if I could even say that Lewis could have beaten Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, George Foreman, or others like this. He's just not as good as Ali.
NO AND NEVER ! ! !Quote:
Originally Posted by ali2coolwitu
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Originally Posted by means2184
Whats my excuse for the Lewis-Klitszcho fight ??? Â Â Â Â Why do I need a excuse ???
Lewis was 39 years of age he had already beat the best of his era, so he took on the biggest and toughest up and coming heavyweight from the next era coming up and got a 6 round stoppage and made his face look a mess in the process !! Â But Lewis didn't take any risks did he ....LMAO, Â Â Â if Lewis didn't take any risks why is he beat everyone who was available and was willing to fight him over the last 15 years. Â Also he had 42 fights as a pro, Â thats only because he was winning gold in 88 olympics against Bowe !! Â He didn't turn pro until he was 23, Â same as Holyfield.. Holyfield hasn't had many more fights than Lewis !!
Did you see how slow and crap Ali was at 38 ???
Thats what taking to many risks does for you !!
drGood .... Â Â Lewis not as powerful as Ali ???? Â Â Â Â Â you need to lay off the crack !!
Lewis cant beat Frazier ....LMAO Â
Ken Norton ......LMAO
George Foreman ...... the mummy. Â LMAO
Hey you ask George Foreman himself ...... Â he knows Lewis would of out boxed out gunned and smarted the lot !!
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Originally Posted by means2184
Most definately on the crack, Terrel, come on please stop talking shit, your scraping the fucking barrel you tit !!
Saddo get a grip of these yank fucks will ya !! LOL
Lewis was 39 years of age he had already beat the best of his era, so he took on the biggest and toughest up and coming heavyweight from the next era coming up and got a 6 round stoppage and made his face look a mess in the process !! But Lewis didn't take any risks did he ....LMAO, ---Marshmellow
Risks, eh? Lewis knows all about that. Over 25 M-I-L-L-I-O-N DOLLARS..... OVER 25 Mill.... Your boy Lennox Lewis turned down for a rematch with Vitaly. And Lewis' trainer, Emanuel Steward, pleaded Lennox for a rematch.
Lewis knows something that I, Vitaly, and some members here saw, Lewis was being outboxed and he was near dead tired as he fell on his stool after the last round. Yeah, he deserved the win. It's just that, if he thought he was so badass, and "Like fine wine, I get better as I age" ... Why didn't he take the biggest payday of his career and TKO Klitschko again?
Throughout his career, Lewis was always ready to be taken, even if it was by a lucky punch. For a big man, he was fast, but against a fighter [Ali], who's speed made black and white footage turn grey with movement, he's just a big lug. First things Last, heavies keep growing as generations go by, and Ali has never fought such a tall opponent who fights tall like Lennox. And Lennox, in this BIG HEAVYWEIGHT AGE, has fought all short, tall, and big fighters, by the way, Vitaly's height gave HIM problem's he's never faced in his career. So it's difficult to compare Ali to these taller superheavyweights of today. All I really know is that Ali more killer instinct than most or any of the famous fighters today. And Ali always pulled it off when it mattered. The same can be said about Lennox, but he was cautious for a reason, he knew his chin wasn't that good. Sometimes your opponent doesn't give you the luxury of being cautious and it doesn't matter how tall you are. Ali stood up to the worst and the best tests. Lennox? Evander, who would later lose to Ruiz. Tyson, who we all know is a shell of 1989? Rahman, who couldn't even beat Ruiz?
Yeah Lennox' career is, first ballot hall of fame, it's legendary, it's great, but has he really faced a Mean, Baddass, Big, Knockout Artist, In his Prime Fighter? ? ? Ali has.
From 1965-67, I've never seen a Heavyweight move so gracefully across the ring. Not even lightweights have the energy to move that much and that consistently over 15 rounds..... well, maybe some. ;)
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ali had a faster jab than lewis.
Sports illustrated timed it as 4 hundrets of a second.
Lewis wasn't fleetfooted, his chin was made out of glass and he didn't have the heart of ali.
However lewis has got a very good chance because he is taller than ali so he could outbox him, he weighs more than ali so he has a stronger punch.
To be honest i don't know who would win?, but i thing i know is about muhammad ali is that he always seemed to win when the odds were stacked against him.
I heard so many people slate Lewis's opponents saying they were past their best and all that shit, that was not Lewis's problem ... Lewis wanted the Holyfield and Tyson fights in the early 90's and neither 1 came to the plate.
If you look at Ali's bests wins, You can say that Liston was way past his best when he fought Clay .. he was meant to be 38 at the time but no fucker knew Listons real age, some rumours even said he was 40 when he fought Ali.
Frazier .... You put Frazier in with Lewis and watch a 1 sided pumelling, there would be no 2nd and 3rd fight if Frazier was put in with a prime Lewis.
Foreman .... sorry but watching that big mummy in the ring makes me laugh, no way did he have the natural boxing skills of Lewis and people talk about Lewis's chin check out Foreman's chin in his losses, not to good let me tell ya.
To say Lewis's chin is like glass is a joke, he has took punches off Tyson, Holyfield, Mercer, Tua, Grant, and never got KOED. His 2 KO defeats were off killer punches and it happens in the heavyweight division. Lewis got straight back in their which shows heart and destroyed them in the rematch proving that they were lucky punches.
As for Ali, great that he was and he did prove in the ring that he had the best chin going, I just think Lewis would of made easier work fighting the likes of Norton, Frazier,and Foreman.
And please don't make the Klitscho fight as a point, what other Heavyweight would be able to pull off a win against the next big thing at 39.... Ali tried it with Holmes ..... Holmes tried it with Tyson and look what happened. Also if you watch the Klitszcho fight VK's punches were weak ass to Lewis's big uppercuts and right hands.
Lewis proved his point, then retired and he gets slated for it... but everyone calls for Holyfield to retire. You yanks talk shit, admit you fools all your best fighters got fucking wupped off Lewis and you cant handle it !!
Oh and another thing ...... your making the Klitszcho fight as a point why Lewis never took chances. Well you would know Lewis was supposed to be fighting Kirk Johnson and took the Klitszcho fight at short notice, he also weighed in at his heaviest ever for a fight 18 stone 3, about 260lbs.
So he was 39, just came off his career defining fight with Tyson, was getting told by everyone he should retire was supposed to be fighting Johnson fought Klitszcho and still won. LMAO And you still find things to slag him off, Hey if Lewis looked Tired at the end of the 6th round, Klitszcho looked like he had been hit by a bus !!
Lewis could come back now and still beat Klitszcho, and I would love it if he did to shut muppets like yourself up !!
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Originally Posted by gyrokai
Hey, you said Lewis never fought a mean bad ass KO artist that was in his prime, well try Galota, Tua, Grant, Mercer, Ruddock all them had great KO's and were supposed to be big threats and looked great in other fights. I remember Lewis was the under dog against Golata look what happened. Grant was supposed to be the biggest threat to Lewis at the time 33-0 and look what happened there !!
So if Lewis didn't fight big bad ass KO artists in their prime neither did Tyson, and Holyfield just had Bowe, and we all know Bowe shit out of fighting Lewis because the beating he took off him in the Olympics was still fresh in his memory !!
Just because Lewis made all these fighters look not so great dont mean that they weren't good fighters !!