roy jones P4P king who could have gave him problems?

Printable View

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

12-15-2007, 03:00 PM
WestCoast

Re: roy jones P4P king who could have gave him problems?

noone could have jones problems in his prim he was the best
12-15-2007, 03:19 PM
ICB

Re: roy jones P4P king who could have gave him problems?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjm2681

ok lets break down you list of jones "compitition"

mccallum- was 40 yrs old and about 10 years past his prime.
hill- was 34 and his prime was the late eighties.
hopkins- didnt hit his prime yet.
johnson- the biggest names on his record where all his losses. he did beat collins though so maybe he does have a little credibility.(but every fighter has one good fight in them)
gonzalez- beat letterlough but thats it before the jones fight. he was still green.
harding - ok harding was a good fighter but he had no punch and jones was quicker.
griffin- the only guy he beat was a sluggish james toney.
toney- lost like 12 pounds to make weight and came in with nothing.
pazienza!!!!!!!!!!!!- im shocked you would even include him on you list since he was a washed up lightweight!
tate- well tate beat noone of any real significance ever. lost to ottke twice.

start comparing them to hagler's opponents and let me know what you think.

put them in matchups against hagler's opponents and tell me who would win.

lets see i would of loved to see how montell griffin did against john mugabi or
how tate would have have done against roldan lol

get real jones was the best of the nineties BUT THATS IT!

I think your find except for Hearns and Duran Hagler's opposition wasn't any better than Hagler's.

mccallum- was 40 yrs old and about 10 years past his prime.
hill- was 34 and his prime was the late eighties.
hopkins- didnt hit his prime yet.
johnson- the biggest names on his record where all his losses. he did beat collins though so maybe he does have a little credibility.(but every fighter has one good fight in them)
gonzalez- beat letterlough but thats it before the jones fight. he was still green.
harding - ok harding was a good fighter but he had no punch and jones was quicker.
griffin- the only guy he beat was a sluggish james toney.
toney- lost like 12 pounds to make weight and came in with nothing.
pazienza!!!!!!!!!!!!- im shocked you would even include him on you list since he was a washed up lightweight!
tate- well tate beat noone of any real significance ever. lost to ottke twice.

McCallum was 40 years old, but he was still very formidable, shortly before Jones he won Lightheavyweight title and lost it to Fabrice Tiozzo the same man who destroyed Dariusz Michalczewski, plus after the Jones fight he had his 3rd fight with Toney, and gave Toney a very good argument.

Hill went 12 rounds with Hearns in 1991 and lost razor thin close decision he went on, 13 winning streak before losing 12 UD Dariusz Michalczewski, Jones is the only man to ever KO Hill so he deserves a lot more credit that what your giving him.

Jones had less experience than Hopkins so whats your point ??

I think your find a lot of people thought Reggie Johnson beat James Toney, and all of his losses were razor thin close decisions, Jones is the only man that ever dominate him like that, so that deserves major props.

27-0 is green ?? Gonzalez is very good fighter and went on to give Dariusz Michalczewski his first defeat, Dariusz Michalczewski was 48-0 at the time. Yet again the only boxer who ever dominated Gonzalez was Jones.

You agree on Harding.

Even if you think Toney was sluggish, beating Toney x2 is a great achievement.

James Toney always had weight problem's you still can't take away Jones dominating Toney who was top 3 P4P fighter at that time.

You say Pazienza was natural Lightweight, but wasn't Duran also a natural Lightweight ?? and you consider that one of Hagler's best wins.

The reason i included Tate was because it was very impressive the way Jones destroyed Tate in 2 rounds, this was the same Tate who previously went 12 rounds with one of the hardest hitting Middleweights of all time Julian Jackson.

lets see i would of loved to see how montell griffin did against john mugabi or
how tate would have have done against roldan

John Mugabi was a hard hitter but thats about it, he was destroyed in 1 round by Terry Norris, Mugabi had actually had beaten no one before fighting Hagler, in fact he never beat one good name in his entire career.

Roldan's best win in his entire career was the goodish James "The Heat" Kinchen. You talk up these fighters but these two fighters achieved a lot less than most of Jones opponent's yet you discredit Jones opposition i can't understand that.
12-15-2007, 08:32 PM
Hulk

Re: roy jones P4P king who could have gave him problems?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjm2681

ok lets break down you list of jones "compitition"

mccallum- was 40 yrs old and about 10 years past his prime.
hill- was 34 and his prime was the late eighties.
hopkins- didnt hit his prime yet.
johnson- the biggest names on his record where all his losses. he did beat collins though so maybe he does have a little credibility.(but every fighter has one good fight in them)
gonzalez- beat letterlough but thats it before the jones fight. he was still green.
harding - ok harding was a good fighter but he had no punch and jones was quicker.
griffin- the only guy he beat was a sluggish james toney.
toney- lost like 12 pounds to make weight and came in with nothing.
pazienza!!!!!!!!!!!!- im shocked you would even include him on you list since he was a washed up lightweight!
tate- well tate beat noone of any real significance ever. lost to ottke twice.

start comparing them to hagler's opponents and let me know what you think.

put them in matchups against hagler's opponents and tell me who would win.

lets see i would of loved to see how montell griffin did against john mugabi or
how tate would have have done against roldan lol

get real jones was the best of the nineties BUT THATS IT!

I think your find except for Hearns and Duran Hagler's opposition wasn't any better than Hagler's.

mccallum- was 40 yrs old and about 10 years past his prime.
hill- was 34 and his prime was the late eighties.
hopkins- didnt hit his prime yet.
johnson- the biggest names on his record where all his losses. he did beat collins though so maybe he does have a little credibility.(but every fighter has one good fight in them)
gonzalez- beat letterlough but thats it before the jones fight. he was still green.
harding - ok harding was a good fighter but he had no punch and jones was quicker.
griffin- the only guy he beat was a sluggish james toney.
toney- lost like 12 pounds to make weight and came in with nothing.
pazienza!!!!!!!!!!!!- im shocked you would even include him on you list since he was a washed up lightweight!
tate- well tate beat noone of any real significance ever. lost to ottke twice.

McCallum was 40 years old, but he was still very formidable, shortly before Jones he won Lightheavyweight title and lost it to Fabrice Tiozzo the same man who destroyed Dariusz Michalczewski, plus after the Jones fight he had his 3rd fight with Toney, and gave Toney a very good argument.

Hill went 12 rounds with Hearns in 1991 and lost razor thin close decision he went on, 13 winning streak before losing 12 UD Dariusz Michalczewski, Jones is the only man to ever KO Hill so he deserves a lot more credit that what your giving him.

Jones had less experience than Hopkins so whats your point ??

I think your find a lot of people thought Reggie Johnson beat James Toney, and all of his losses were razor thin close decisions, Jones is the only man that ever dominate him like that, so that deserves major props.

27-0 is green ?? Gonzalez is very good fighter and went on to give Dariusz Michalczewski his first defeat, Dariusz Michalczewski was 48-0 at the time. Yet again the only boxer who ever dominated Gonzalez was Jones.

You agree on Harding.

Even if you think Toney was sluggish, beating Toney x2 is a great achievement.

James Toney always had weight problem's you still can't take away Jones dominating Toney who was top 3 P4P fighter at that time.

You say Pazienza was natural Lightweight, but wasn't Duran also a natural Lightweight ?? and you consider that one of Hagler's best wins.

The reason i included Tate was because it was very impressive the way Jones destroyed Tate in 2 rounds, this was the same Tate who previously went 12 rounds with one of the hardest hitting Middleweights of all time Julian Jackson.

lets see i would of loved to see how montell griffin did against john mugabi or
how tate would have have done against roldan

John Mugabi was a hard hitter but thats about it, he was destroyed in 1 round by Terry Norris, Mugabi had actually had beaten no one before fighting Hagler, in fact he never beat one good name in his entire career.

Roldan's best win in his entire career was the goodish James "The Heat" Kinchen. You talk up these fighters but these two fighters achieved a lot less than most of Jones opponent's yet you discredit Jones opposition i can't understand that.

CC. Well said. I'd add Merqui Sosa to that list and Sugar Boy Malinga.
12-15-2007, 08:35 PM
ICB

Re: roy jones P4P king who could have gave him problems?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hulk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjm2681

ok lets break down you list of jones "compitition"

mccallum- was 40 yrs old and about 10 years past his prime.
hill- was 34 and his prime was the late eighties.
hopkins- didnt hit his prime yet.
johnson- the biggest names on his record where all his losses. he did beat collins though so maybe he does have a little credibility.(but every fighter has one good fight in them)
gonzalez- beat letterlough but thats it before the jones fight. he was still green.
harding - ok harding was a good fighter but he had no punch and jones was quicker.
griffin- the only guy he beat was a sluggish james toney.
toney- lost like 12 pounds to make weight and came in with nothing.
pazienza!!!!!!!!!!!!- im shocked you would even include him on you list since he was a washed up lightweight!
tate- well tate beat noone of any real significance ever. lost to ottke twice.

start comparing them to hagler's opponents and let me know what you think.

put them in matchups against hagler's opponents and tell me who would win.

lets see i would of loved to see how montell griffin did against john mugabi or
how tate would have have done against roldan lol

get real jones was the best of the nineties BUT THATS IT!

I think your find except for Hearns and Duran Hagler's opposition wasn't any better than Hagler's.

mccallum- was 40 yrs old and about 10 years past his prime.
hill- was 34 and his prime was the late eighties.
hopkins- didnt hit his prime yet.
johnson- the biggest names on his record where all his losses. he did beat collins though so maybe he does have a little credibility.(but every fighter has one good fight in them)
gonzalez- beat letterlough but thats it before the jones fight. he was still green.
harding - ok harding was a good fighter but he had no punch and jones was quicker.
griffin- the only guy he beat was a sluggish james toney.
toney- lost like 12 pounds to make weight and came in with nothing.
pazienza!!!!!!!!!!!!- im shocked you would even include him on you list since he was a washed up lightweight!
tate- well tate beat noone of any real significance ever. lost to ottke twice.

McCallum was 40 years old, but he was still very formidable, shortly before Jones he won Lightheavyweight title and lost it to Fabrice Tiozzo the same man who destroyed Dariusz Michalczewski, plus after the Jones fight he had his 3rd fight with Toney, and gave Toney a very good argument.

Hill went 12 rounds with Hearns in 1991 and lost razor thin close decision he went on, 13 winning streak before losing 12 UD Dariusz Michalczewski, Jones is the only man to ever KO Hill so he deserves a lot more credit that what your giving him.

Jones had less experience than Hopkins so whats your point ??

I think your find a lot of people thought Reggie Johnson beat James Toney, and all of his losses were razor thin close decisions, Jones is the only man that ever dominate him like that, so that deserves major props.

27-0 is green ?? Gonzalez is very good fighter and went on to give Dariusz Michalczewski his first defeat, Dariusz Michalczewski was 48-0 at the time. Yet again the only boxer who ever dominated Gonzalez was Jones.

You agree on Harding.

Even if you think Toney was sluggish, beating Toney x2 is a great achievement.

James Toney always had weight problem's you still can't take away Jones dominating Toney who was top 3 P4P fighter at that time.

You say Pazienza was natural Lightweight, but wasn't Duran also a natural Lightweight ?? and you consider that one of Hagler's best wins.

The reason i included Tate was because it was very impressive the way Jones destroyed Tate in 2 rounds, this was the same Tate who previously went 12 rounds with one of the hardest hitting Middleweights of all time Julian Jackson.

lets see i would of loved to see how montell griffin did against john mugabi or
how tate would have have done against roldan

John Mugabi was a hard hitter but thats about it, he was destroyed in 1 round by Terry Norris, Mugabi had actually had beaten no one before fighting Hagler, in fact he never beat one good name in his entire career.

Roldan's best win in his entire career was the goodish James "The Heat" Kinchen. You talk up these fighters but these two fighters achieved a lot less than most of Jones opponent's yet you discredit Jones opposition i can't understand that.

CC. Well said. I'd add Merqui Sosa to that list and Sugar Boy Malinga.

Thanks bro CC back and as for Sosa. I agree he had never been stopped when Jones fought him, and he had never been knocked down. Jones stopped a lot of iron chinned fighters.
12-15-2007, 08:41 PM
Hulk

Re: roy jones P4P king who could have gave him problems?

No doubt, Sosa was a good fighter, big puncher, built weird too. Long, bow legged sucker. You see the stoppage loss to Jones? Sosa went ballistic, threw the ref off of him, pulled his hand back cocked, ready, to hit the ref for darin to stop it so early.

And Malinga got KTFO to the body by Roy, and Malinga beat Nigel Benn.
12-15-2007, 08:45 PM
ICB

Re: roy jones P4P king who could have gave him problems?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hulk

No doubt, Sosa was a good fighter, big puncher, built weird too. Long, bow legged sucker. You see the stoppage loss to Jones? Sosa went ballistic, threw the ref off of him, pulled his hand back cocked, ready, to hit the ref for darin to stop it so early.

And Malinga got KTFO to the body by Roy, and Malinga beat Nigel Benn.

Yea i remember that Jones hit him with about 16 punches along the ropes and ref stepped in and Sosa shoved the ref, his corner went mad as well, they said "WHAT THE F*** YOU STOPPING THE F****** FIGHT FOR"

But Sosa is the kind of guy that you would have to kill him, to stop him from finishing the fight so it was good call by the ref.

Malinga had two fights with Benn, a lot of people thought Malinga should of won 1st fight, so really and truthfully he could be 2-0 vs Benn. Malinga also gave Eubank a very tough argument. And Malinga while being 40+ totally out boxed Robin Reid, Robin Reid also gave Joe Calzaghe his hardest fight of his career. So Malinga was a solid fighter.
12-15-2007, 09:37 PM
Taeth

Re: roy jones P4P king who could have gave him problems?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjm2681

ok lets break down you list of jones "compitition"

mccallum- was 40 yrs old and about 10 years past his prime.
hill- was 34 and his prime was the late eighties.
hopkins- didnt hit his prime yet.
johnson- the biggest names on his record where all his losses. he did beat collins though so maybe he does have a little credibility.(but every fighter has one good fight in them)
gonzalez- beat letterlough but thats it before the jones fight. he was still green.
harding - ok harding was a good fighter but he had no punch and jones was quicker.
griffin- the only guy he beat was a sluggish james toney.
toney- lost like 12 pounds to make weight and came in with nothing.
pazienza!!!!!!!!!!!!- im shocked you would even include him on you list since he was a washed up lightweight!
tate- well tate beat noone of any real significance ever. lost to ottke twice.

start comparing them to hagler's opponents and let me know what you think.

put them in matchups against hagler's opponents and tell me who would win.

lets see i would of loved to see how montell griffin did against john mugabi or
how tate would have have done against roldan lol

get real jones was the best of the nineties BUT THATS IT!

Who did Marvin fight that was great in their natural weight class agian? Duran was a lightweight, Leonard hadn't foughten in 3 years and he was a welterweight, and he beat Hagler, Hearns was a welterweight as well. Half the guys he fought had good records, but they didn't do anything with their careers.
12-15-2007, 10:21 PM
Mr140

Re: roy jones P4P king who could have gave him problems?

Well to be fair both Leonard and Hearns went on to win tiles above MW teath and Hearns went all the was CW and won titles.
12-18-2007, 10:55 AM
donnydarkoIRL

Re: roy jones P4P king who could have gave him problems?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeth

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjm2681

ok lets break down you list of jones "compitition"

mccallum- was 40 yrs old and about 10 years past his prime.
hill- was 34 and his prime was the late eighties.
hopkins- didnt hit his prime yet.
johnson- the biggest names on his record where all his losses. he did beat collins though so maybe he does have a little credibility.(but every fighter has one good fight in them)
gonzalez- beat letterlough but thats it before the jones fight. he was still green.
harding - ok harding was a good fighter but he had no punch and jones was quicker.
griffin- the only guy he beat was a sluggish james toney.
toney- lost like 12 pounds to make weight and came in with nothing.
pazienza!!!!!!!!!!!!- im shocked you would even include him on you list since he was a washed up lightweight!
tate- well tate beat noone of any real significance ever. lost to ottke twice.

start comparing them to hagler's opponents and let me know what you think.

put them in matchups against hagler's opponents and tell me who would win.

lets see i would of loved to see how montell griffin did against john mugabi or
how tate would have have done against roldan lol

get real jones was the best of the nineties BUT THATS IT!

Who did Marvin fight that was great in their natural weight class agian? Duran was a lightweight, Leonard hadn't foughten in 3 years and he was a welterweight, and he beat Hagler, Hearns was a welterweight as well. Half the guys he fought had good records, but they didn't do anything with their careers.

This question has been asked many times...Does he deserve to be an ATG if he never fought another great at the same class.
However the last time I answered this question it was directed at B-Hop...

An I answered that question similarily to this reply to your post.

It's not WHO they beat, it's more the nature and HOW he beat them.
Hagler was a dominant champion for 7 years. From when he beat Alan Minter (in his back yard) in 1980 until He met Leonard in 87, he was unrivalled, unmatched and virtually unbeatable. Hagler ruled the division with an Iron fist and beat everybody put in front of him.

The same debate has been raised about Roy Jones...Apart from toney and B-Hop he beat nobodies...
Again it's not who he beat that made him great, it's how he beat then and the amount that he beat.

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page