Challenge to the Mayweather Haters and Cotto supporters

Memphis EDIT: I ment Majesty, you are right to say Floyd is taking WAY too much flak from his critics. He defenately has demonstrated to all but the most stuborn fans that he is deserving of the top spot in the p4p list. But I really disagree with some other stuff you said.

You could've talked trash about Williams, Cintron or Margarito all you wanted and I would've kept my mouth shut. But you had to bash my man Cotto...big mistake O0.

Cotto's quality of opposition cannot be questioned. Before he stepped up to 147 he had been taking on the real contenders at 140 while Hatton was resting on his laurels for beating Tszyu. At this point Torres and Malignagii are 140lb champions.

When he went up he faced a very good undefeated prospect in Quintana. Cotto battered and made short work of him.

Urkal might be a journymen but he is still a top ten WW according to Ring Magazine.

Judah is always dangerous and many said he looked better in the fight with Cotto than he did in a long time.

Mosley was considered by practically everyone in this forum as the only man who could beat Mayweather.

Finally, the only reason Cotto has not fought Margarito is because he lost to Williams. That fight was all but signed, all Margarito had to do was beat Williams, but he lossed.

If you are wondering why so many people love Cotto and so many people hate on PBF well the answer is simple. Every time they ask Cotto who he wants to fight next he sais" Anybody, I want all the big names. I don't care who he is, just put him in the ring with me and I'll fight him." When they ask Mayweather it's all "I have nothing left to proove, I'm the best, I've fought the best. Who's he?, If the money's right." People don't like that S***. These guys are multymillionares, what are they doing bitching about money in front of a mostly middle class audience. Oh, and BTW, his new nickname won't help him one bit.

EDIT: I for one do not want to see Cotto fight Mayweather just yet. What's the big hurry anyway. Floyd wants to take a break, fine. Cotto should unify or fight Margarito. I would'nt even be upset if Cotto went for the money and fight Oscar. By the time Floyd decides to fight, there will be no one left standing and Cotto will have climed his way to a top 3 spot on the p4p list and the fight will be F****** HUGE.

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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

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I think you're missing the point.
You can't fight when you're moving backwards. Sure you can throw a jab what ever. That's not fighting that's running.

I have no problem with his attitude at all. It's his money he can do what he likes with it.
To be honest i'm sure i would talk some real £$%& if i had camaras in my face all the time.

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I think you're missing the point.
You can't fight when you're moving backwards. Sure you can throw a jab what ever. That's not fighting that's running.

But Mayweather has stood toe to toe and in punching range, in almost every single one of his fights so what the hell are you talking about ??

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I'm saying when you're moving backwards you're not fighting. You're running.

Toe to toe fighting, no question about it that's fighting.

I'm just saying that moving backwards throwing a jab isn't fighting. It won't score well with the judges.
As you saw in the Delahoya fight. Sure he may of landed a lot but he is running not fighting.
If Mayweather wasn't the champion i'm sure Oscar would of won.
Like they say you have to beat the champion.

Again see Wilfred Benitez...

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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

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I think you're missing the point.
You can't fight when you're moving backwards. Sure you can throw a jab what ever. That's not fighting that's running.

I have no problem with his attitude at all. It's his money he can do what he likes with it.
To be honest i'm sure i would talk some real £$%& if i had camaras in my face all the time.

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I think you're missing the point.
You can't fight when you're moving backwards. Sure you can throw a jab what ever. That's not fighting that's running.

But Mayweather has stood toe to toe and in punching range, in almost every single one of his fights so what the hell are you talking about ??

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I'm saying when you're moving backwards you're not fighting. You're running.

Toe to toe fighting, no question about it that's fighting.

I'm just saying that moving backwards throwing a jab isn't fighting. It won't score well with the judges.
As you saw in the Delahoya fight. Sure he may of landed a lot but he is running not fighting.
If Mayweather wasn't the champion i'm sure Oscar would of won.
Like they say you have to beat the champion.

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Umm, De la Hoya was the champion. They were fighting for the 154lb title...

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Originally Posted by Ricardo "Finito" Lopez

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I think you're missing the point.
You can't fight when you're moving backwards. Sure you can throw a jab what ever. That's not fighting that's running.

I have no problem with his attitude at all. It's his money he can do what he likes with it.
To be honest i'm sure i would talk some real £$%& if i had camaras in my face all the time.

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I think you're missing the point.
You can't fight when you're moving backwards. Sure you can throw a jab what ever. That's not fighting that's running.

But Mayweather has stood toe to toe and in punching range, in almost every single one of his fights so what the hell are you talking about ??

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I'm saying when you're moving backwards you're not fighting. You're running.

Toe to toe fighting, no question about it that's fighting.

I'm just saying that moving backwards throwing a jab isn't fighting. It won't score well with the judges.
As you saw in the Delahoya fight. Sure he may of landed a lot but he is running not fighting.
If Mayweather wasn't the champion i'm sure Oscar would of won.
Like they say you have to beat the champion.

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Umm, De la Hoya was the champion. They were fighting for the 154lb title...
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Yeah sorry it came out wrong.

If you look at the punch stats. Mayweather hit Oscar with loads more punches.
Yet it was still a split, you can ither put it down to Oscar being the champion or Mayweather moving backwards.

Take a look at the scores of Wilfred Benitez Thomas Hearns one judge had it 137-146 where as another had it a draw.

You can't fight going backwards. Sure you can then stop stand still and off load once you're feet are set. But until then you're avoiding the fight.

It's all down to preference really. I however have seen Ali fight and mayweathers fighting whilst moving is not aggresive and forcing a fight at all.
Like i said i think it's down to preference.

It is true, the agressor will have an advantage in the scoring more times than not. But it has to be effective agression and if you are the agressor and the guy moving backwards is hitting you twice as much as you are hitting him than that is not very effective.

Mayweather has mastered this style. If you look at his feet you will see that he is so quick that he is set up to punch the moment he stops moving. He dosn't take steps back it is more like he takes really quick hops back. His feet are almost alwais in position to throw that right. Ricky had some success at the beginning cuz he is also very quick on his feet and he was able to jump in before Mayweather could react. So what PBF did was time him and he really did time him perfectly.

Another thing that he does is that when you do jump on top of him befor he can react, he does'nt back away and leave himself open to punches as he moves back. He stays there and either holds you or works you inside, which you all now know he can sure hold his own, and actually makes the other guy back off and if the guy is not carefull he'll eat another right hand as he moves back. It is really great stuff.

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Originally Posted by Wasp

I think you're missing the point.
You can't fight when you're moving backwards. Sure you can throw a jab what ever. That's not fighting that's running.

I have no problem with his attitude at all. It's his money he can do what he likes with it.
To be honest i'm sure i would talk some real £$%& if i had camaras in my face all the time.

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I think you're missing the point.
You can't fight when you're moving backwards. Sure you can throw a jab what ever. That's not fighting that's running.

But Mayweather has stood toe to toe and in punching range, in almost every single one of his fights so what the hell are you talking about ??

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Hell Yes you can fight going backwards!
See Wilfred Benitez...See the entire Cuban national team!

Fighting backward is an art which when mastered can make you exceptionally dangerous, young Muhammad Ali could do it, Pernell Whittaker could do it, Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns could do it.....

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Exactly....some of the best fighters, well at least most skilled, of all time in that list. :coolclick:

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Originally Posted by Wasp

Yeah sorry it came out wrong.

If you look at the punch stats. Mayweather hit Oscar with loads more punches.
Yet it was still a split, you can ither put it down to Oscar being the champion or Mayweather moving backwards.

Take a look at the scores of Wilfred Benitez Thomas Hearns one judge had it 137-146 where as another had it a draw.

You can't fight going backwards. Sure you can then stop stand still and off load once you're feet are set. But until then you're avoiding the fight.

It's all down to preference really. I however have seen Ali fight and mayweathers fighting whilst moving is not aggresive and forcing a fight at all.
Like i said i think it's down to preference.

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Take a look at the scores of Wilfred Benitez Thomas Hearns one judge had it 137-146 where as another had it a draw.

Hearns clearly beat Benitez thats the difference, when Hearns got knocked down if i remember right, it technically wasn't knock down and it was a slip.

Mayweather stood his ground and picked off Oscar De La Hoya with counter shots, Oscar De La Hoya's punches were mostly in flurries and he was missing loads of his punches. If you watch the fight closely Mayweather easily beat Oscar De La Hoya points wise.

This will be a two post response to Floyd_Fears_Cotto

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

And some of the other welterweights.
Since the people here who I won't name because they make about 10 topics a day about this.

You can use my name anytime. I know I drop two or three hate threads a day about Poser Boy Floyd :lickish:


They say "Why doesn't mayweather fight cotto?" or "Why didn't he fight Margarito?"
I am still asking this same question. It is the same question so many fans have been asking themselves for about two years. Larry Merchant just asked PBF why not fight Cotto? And the @ss kissing by Floyd was funny as phuk. Cotto was sitting ring side and he knew better than to call Cotto out while Cotto was sitting there because Cotto would have jumped out of his seat and said let's do it. The Chicken Boy Floyd knew what time it was. Back to Larry Merchant.. Do you know more about boxing than Merchant, Majesty? Even though he is drunk as a skunk he knows what is being said and he knows what the people are saying and asking for.

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yeah and that doesn't make his opinion better then a lot of people, Merchant knows his boxing but that doesn't make his opinion always right, there are things fans will see that he can't and opinions they have that he doesnt, and vice versa. So If I studied boxing longer then him does that mean you'd all have to listen to me and what I say ??? No. Listen to half the stuff someone like manny steward says ??? It verges on fantasy and reality. So no real point there.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

As much as you people hate Mayweather you sure put him up there on this level where he has to be the only one to fight the good fighters in his division.
I don't put Mayweather up there, him and his nuthuggers do. Not all of us think his shiet don't stink.
Floyd is the one running around cherry picking and then telling the world he is better than anyone and everyone and yet he still has not faced or beat the best.

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You don't put Mayweather up there? Then why are you always the first person to say who he isn't fighting when you don't hate on Cotto for doing the same thing ???

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

Alright so he fights and beats Baldomir, the undisputed champ at welterweight and people say "Who beat Kostya Tszyu?" so Floyd now is the first and only to knock out Ricky Hatton and your new excuse is "Hatton isnt a welterweight, Floyd should fight a real one like Cotto"
He ran from BaldoMierda all night long and people BOOED! And people left their expensive seats early because Floyd had already robbed them. What were they going to do? Sit there and wait for that little thief to give them their money back?

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So you hate on him because of the way he won? It doesn't change the fact he beat the undisputed welterweight champ. See thats what I'm talking about with the "He would have lost if THIS happened but he ran and blah blah blah"

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

Hatton is not a Welter Weight. Kudos to Floyd for knocking him out but, I wanted to see Floyd do more than Duck 600 times below the waist line and hug Hatton to death. He knew if he hugged Hatton, Cortez was going to pull them apart. It was the same thing over and over again. Floyd baited stupid Ricky and Ricky took the bait over and over again until Finaly Floyd landed that one LUCKY punch that he was wildly throwing all night. It was not a performance I expected to see, I expected much more out of Floyd. Too many people complained about the same thing. Joe Cortez.

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Do I even need to say anything after that comment? More excuses. Floyd didnt do this he didnt do that he knocked out Hatton what more could you ask for?

WILD left hook? Please Floyd was using that on him even the early rounds as a counter and Floyd's been known to do that and you have nerve to call that shot a lucky punch ???

Um yeah.. ok...

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

I am just like everyone else who thinks that would not have changed the outcome

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Then why do you make 10 threads about it? And dissing Cortez and etc etc, I know you wanted Hatton to win but just because Floyd proved you wrong again Cortez didn't have anything to do with that left hook.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

as Hatton was just doing the same thing over and over again with out as little as a plan B or C. Cortez and Floyd both took Hatton out of his game though. Too many people are saying the samething but if you PBF NUGGERS don't want to accept it, fine.

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Dude you just contradicted yourself.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

Same goes with the Cotto low blows, the outcome would have been the same and the first punch was not even low. Cotto just showed Judah that he is just as crazy if not crazier than him.

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OMG THIS is the kind of stuff I'm always talking about where Cotto gets a pass on.

Dude so you justify Cotto's low blows saying "he was just showing Zab he was more crazier then he was" give me a freaking break man. Thi sis the kind of crap I'm talking about 10 threads get made about how Floyd uses his elbows and all the crap he does, but Cotto low blows someone twice and he gets an excuse and a justification. Whatever man, this shows EXACTLY what I've been talking about.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

Again, Hatton is not a Welter and Cotto is more of a Welter than Hatton is. Cotto has not been chased out of that division twice and Cotto is the WBA champion. Hatton has done nothing more than get a gift in the Welter Weight Division.

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Leonard, Duran, and Hearns weren't middleweights. So I guess we should just call Marvin hagler overrated right ??? It's skills, not weight that determines an outcome. The rest are just excuses.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

And as soon as he beats Cotto it will become "he is still ducking Margarito" And once he beats Margarito it will be "margarito was overrated, at least Cotto had the balls to fight Shane" its a running joke alright?
He already Ducked Margarito. Nothing can ever change that unless he fights him.
PBF is now ducking Cotto and kissing Cotto's @ss in every interview about the matter

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By your logic cotto is ducking Margarito, Cintron, Williams, and even Clottey. You keep saying Floyd is the ducker well whats keeping Cotto safe??? You still ain't answered my question.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

And I'm not the only one who's had enough of it.
I am sure all of Floyd's NUTHUGGERS have had enough but until you fools kool your heals about "Floyd is the Greatest ever" Those of us that know better will be here to let you know that Floyd has some unfinished business. Real Simple bro. He has not beat the best. Never once has he even UNIFIED a division.

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Unified Champion at 130 and 147

How about the fact that all the titles that Margarito and Cotto won were vacant ones, and Floyd actually had to beat the champion for his ???


And when is it Floyd's business to have to fight EVERYONE, if Cotto is so great why doesn't he fight them ??? And if you say "Mayweather should fight thme because he is p4p number one" then you are just contradicting what you said earlier about you NOT placing Floyd on that pedestal.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

So I say to you fans who like to bash Mayweather as if he's the only person who can fight these guys.
Those names people throw around, Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Clottey are the best in that division. They are all pretty much established in the division.


Answer my question on this.


Cotto is a Welterweight, how about you explain to me why he hasn't faced anyone like Clottey, or Margarito, or Williams or even Cintron yet?
Cotto has been a Welter since Decemeber of 2006 that is just a little over a year.
380 days....
Think about it.
Again, Cotto is just getting warmed up here.

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So you're telling me he HAD to fight Urkal ??? How did Urkal even get that fight just asking ??? So you mean in all of that timespan he couldnt have fought Margarito or Williams or Clottey or that? And at this time they are bigger names then when Floyd went up to welterweight.

Here's something for you for Cotto's "warming up" is another excuse to why he didnt fight those other oppositions.

Floyd came up to Weltweight and had one warm up fight against Mitchell, and then he was right in a title fight with Zab Judah and then in another title fight with Baldomir then another title match with Oscar in Oscar's own weight class then another match with Hatton. You can't bash Baldomir because he was the undisputed Welterweight champ, he went UP to Oscar's weight class and beat him at his own game and moved back down to what peopel said would be his "biggest challenge" because Hatton would pressure him all night. As soon as Mayweather won people said "he should fight Cotto, he has smarter pressure" I mean seriously, come on man.

And here's the second page of my response to Floyd_Fears_Cotto

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

The only people on his resume who, if you want to play the "credit game"

The two best names on Cotto's resume are Shane Mosley and Zab Judah.


Nice resume and you forgot Quintana and Urkla.
Cotto is just getting warmed up.

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Urkal? You mean the guy Vivian Harris knocked out at junior welterweight ??? How he got a shot at Cotto is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

Cotto beats Zab Judah and ahh hell breaks loose with the credit and kudos he'd gotten despite the fact Zab hadn't won a match since before the Baldomir fight, and had done nothing to get a shot at Cotto's title, and was there on star power and name alone, much like Shane Mosley.
Too many people believed Judah was going to beat Cotto and knock him out. Zab was so convinced of this. The reason Judah was given a shot was to test Cotto against Zab's speed. Remember Zab gave PBF plenty of fits through out his fight against the so called p4p king. This just goes to show you that Cotto can beat any one Floyd can beat and do it in greater fashion.

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All these excuses are given yet if someone used those same excuses with Floyd you'd be the first one jumping on the bandwagon saying "Judah has no mental prowess, Floyd should have fought Cotto"

In one sentence you say "Cotto is just warming up at Weltweight" And in the next sentence you say "Floyd should fight Cotto now!" MAKE UP YOUR MIND MAN...

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

Shane Mosley then gets the shot at Cotto when he hadn't fought since near the beginning of the year against Collazo who was coming off a loss to Ricky Hatton and wasn't anywhere near the rankings to take on Cotto so Mosley gets there on star power.
Shane can beat most Welters out there today. I would love to see Mosley/Judah and Mosley/PBF.
Styles make fights and these would be great fights full of action and speed. No doubt in my mind that both Mosley and Judah could beat Hatton at 147.

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Oh if you wanna go that route, there's no doubt in my mind that Oscar especially at 154 could knock out Quintana, Urkal and Malignaggi. And lets not forget Floyd wasnt a natural 154 pounder but did it make much difference against Oscar, no, Floyd beat him at his own game. Do you think Cotto would have fought Mosley as his first fight at 147? Think about it.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

Because Floyd MOVED UP to oscar's weight class. And he beat Oscar De La Hoya at Oscar's own game, did he get any credit whatsoever? No... NONE from you fans who want to downgrade him and put him up for another challenge.
Credit for moving up, no doubt about it.
But he did not beat up Oscar. He was given a Split Decision. This could have gone either way. Again, it was not a super performance of a man who runs his mouth about how great he is. Know what I mean? He said he was going to DESTROY Oscar and yet Oscar had little less than a scratch on his face. Even Floyd knows he stunk up the place with that fight against the old man.

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See now you're just being typical Mayweather Hater. How the heck did he stink up the place against Oscar? he outboxed Oscar and didnt "run" as you'd call it. And he outboxed Oscar beat him at his own plan and took away his jab advantage, come on man. Oh so now the new hate for Floyd is "he said he was gonna destroy Oscar he didnt do it!!"

Yeah whatever man, you're just looking for reasons to hate on Floyd.

Hearns said he would knock out Hagler in three rounds, he said he could beat Leonard with one shot.

Its called HYPING A FIGHT get used to it. Like Floyd was gonna go in there and throw away his gameplan, what makes Floyd the best is he goes out there and he does what he knows is right to win the fight. You're just mad because he won at all.

But your new hate was "He said he was gonna destroy Oscar and he didnt"

right uh huh...

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

And even the HBO people say "The fact of the matter is he beat up a past his prime fighter and it was a close decision" To take credit from Mayweather.
Floyd is an HBO tool and yet they spoke the truth. They know we are not deaf, dumb and blind like the PBF NUTHUGGERS but just incase they get confused, HBO has to send out that reality check to the nuthuggers so they can calm down on the forum ;D

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Then they should send that reality check because the same applies to Cotto's Mosley fight.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

However Miguel Cotto defeats Shane Mosley and all hell breaks loose and Cotto is the new STAR of boxing when Mosley falls in the same category as Oscar, a one great fighter who is now past his prime but can still go a little in a close decision victory.
Cotto beat the crap out of Mosley. That was a great fight and a nice win. Everyone was saying that Mosley was going to knock out Slow, Chinny, Robotic Cotto and yet Miguel put on a CLINIC against a very live opponent. How many other Welter Weights you think can beat up Mosley in that fashion? Mosley has only been beat up by great fighters.

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Vernon Forrest is a great fighter ??? So you're saying Oscar wasn't live ??? Whens the last time you saw someone put a beatdown on Mayorga as quick and as fast as Oscar did ??? Just like everyone was saying that Oscar was gonna knock out Floyd and how everyone uses the first Castillo fight as a reason any pressure could beat Floyd right ???

And Cotto fighting Mosley was a close and hard fight and Cotto didnt "beat the crap" out of Mosley and he didn't dominate him either, Cotto won the fight but it wasn't a domination. Much like his fight with Malignaggi wasnt a domination either but Cotto fans try to make it sound like it.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

Now don't try to tell me for one moment you can justify taking credit from Mayweather for beating Oscar, and then giving credit to Cotto for beating Mosley in the same sentence, it just doesn't work that way, it just doesnt.
Again, that was not a beating that Floyd dished out to Oscar De La Hoya. I have seen female pillow fights with more bravado than that display from both fighters.
Cotto/Mosley was a great war! Both stood TOE to TOE and gave us a great fight. I just watched it again last night. AMAZING action packed fight. It was a FOTY. Not thee FOTY but a FOTY none the less. It's not about winning, it's more about how you win.

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Oh so now you're blaming the styles ??? Aren't you the one a moment ago that said styles make fights ??? You are contradicting yourself to no end and changing the rules around so that Cotto comes out smelling like a fresh rose. Mayweather beat Oscar in his own style and Cotto beat Mosley in his own style. Just because you prefer one style over another doesn't take away the victory or the accomplishment but your excuse is

"Well the Cotto fight was more exciting so he should get more credit then Mayweather" for basically doing the same thing get out of here with that.

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So my biggest question to you. Is if Cotto is the "savior" of boxing and Mayweather is boxings "anti-christ" Then let me ask you. Cotto has been taking the same route Mayweather took AFTER Mayweather took the route first, why isn't Cotto the one fighting Margarito, Paul Williams, Joshua Clottey and hell even Kermit Cintron!?
LMAO! Floyd is THE DEVIL!
HE IS A BLASPHEMER and his infidels are going straight to HELL if they don't repent and ask beg for forgivess. ;D

Cotto just shows us that he can beat anyone Floyd can and in a much better fashion. Did you forget that Cotto just became a Welter Weight 380 days. Give him some time. He will get to these guys this in his second year. Floyd has been a Welter for over two years. I would have to say that Cotto's resume is good don't you think?

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Please man please you contradict yourself to no end.

In one sentence you say "Cotto is just warming up" And in the next you say "Floyd should fight Cotto NOW!"

Well if thats the case then you obviously think Cotto is on par with Mayweather and if thats the case you still have no excuse for him not fighting those other guys. ESPECIALLY when they were more popular when Cotto became a Welterweight then when Floyd did.

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

Why is Cotto safe from your critisism when he is doing the same kinds of things Mayweather did but is presented as a different side of the railroad tracks when its really the same darn thing.
Because Cotto does not pound his chest while telling the world lies. Not hard to figure out.
When you claim to be the best and you don't deliver the goods, you are going to catch what is coming to you.

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Oh so now its personality and back to the "Floyd says he'll do it but he doesnt" BS excuse. So thats why Cotto is safe? Thats the best you have ???

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

Answer me that. And Cotto isn't the only one I'm going after, I'm going after every one of those welterweights you dump on Mayweather's shoulders to fight that have yet to fight each other. And as long as you have been dogging Mayweather for it the FIRST time that these welterweights are actually fighting each other is Cintron and Williams, but with Cintrons "broken hand" that fight is questionable at this moment as to when it is going to happen.

Now that the pretty biatch has stopped pretending to be a Welter Weight fighter, those names will face each other. Cotto is going to smoke them all and then what are you going to say? Even you will be demanding Cotto vs PBF unless you are just another one of those nut huggers of his who wants Floyd to take yet another easy fight. I bet Floyd moves back down to 140 and he is going to say something like I want to unify that division when in fact, he just wants to avoid those dangerous Welter Weights.

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Hold up so they had to WAIT for Mayweather to stop talking about being a welterweight before they could fight each other??? Please man, admit it, you have no real excuse. have anything else to say?

Majesty, I gotta know. How long did it take you to do that??? LOL

CC my good man. That was some funny sh(*.

BTW I already gave an answer to your question in my earlier post...

Great debating going on here id like to continue, talking with you about this Majesty because i've really enjoyed this thread i'll reply to you tommorow.

The reason I don't like Mayweather is because he is one cocky arrogant cunt who has to much money he does'nt know what to do with it.

I would back Cotto if he faced Mayweather but Mayweather would beat him IMO.

I can prove what I said at the top as why don't I like Paulie " am the man" Malignaggi you think. He needs to get KNFO soon to shut his mouth up and thats why i'll always respect Cotto for putting him on his pants.

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The reason I don't like Mayweather is because he is one cocky arrogant cunt who has to much money he does'nt know what to do with it.

I would back Cotto if he faced Mayweather but Mayweather would beat him IMO.

I can prove what I said at the top as why don't I like Paulie " am the man" Malignaggi you think. He needs to get KNFO soon to shut his mouth up and thats why i'll always respect Cotto for putting him on his pants.

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You make it seem like Hatton isn't arrogant. Just look at the 24/7 series and see all the bullshit he was talking. Even his stupid ass mom was talking nonsense. Not to mention Hatton pathetic comments after he got knocked the fuck out. Trying to blame the ref and making it seem like the outcome could of been different. Fuck Hatton. He got what he fucking deserved.

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Yeah sorry it came out wrong.

If you look at the punch stats. Mayweather hit Oscar with loads more punches.
Yet it was still a split, you can ither put it down to Oscar being the champion or Mayweather moving backwards.

Take a look at the scores of Wilfred Benitez Thomas Hearns one judge had it 137-146 where as another had it a draw.

You can't fight going backwards. Sure you can then stop stand still and off load once you're feet are set. But until then you're avoiding the fight.

It's all down to preference really. I however have seen Ali fight and mayweathers fighting whilst moving is not aggresive and forcing a fight at all.
Like i said i think it's down to preference.

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Good fighters can fight going backwards.

Maj.

In regards to HBO's comments about the Floyd/ Oscar fight & also your gripe with 'Contradictions' and such....


Cotto dosent go round calling himself the greatest. So when he beats shane Mosley (a guy who is probably still nearer his prime than Dela Hoya and actually was probably a better fighter in his peak to boot) its fairly justifiable to pick holes in Mayweathers win when he calls himself the greatest in actually acheiving less than what Cotto had in his win. Mayweather out Punched the 'Puncher' Cotto out boxed the 'Boxer'. IMO they both deserve great credit for there respective wins.... But i just feel Floyd is reaping the benifits for having a big mouth...

Then again maybe of Cotto went around calling himself the greatest Welterweight, the fight might actually happen (i say that because i would love to put money down that it doesn't).

Also what you said about Cotto being safe from the kind of persecution Floyd gets for the fighters he has faced... Ive saod it before and i'll say it again. Cotto IMO has only just been really let off the leash by Arum and has only just broken into the big wideworld of superstardom. He is at a completely diferent point in his career to Floyd so that sort of Critism was nullified by the fact that his promoter was controlling him maybe in a protective way.

As of this moment (well, as of 11th Nov) Cotto is wide open to critism. However, I dont think Cotto will fall guilty of failing to provide fan-freindly fights (all parties permiting of course).

I know its about more than just fan-freindly fights but, when your already the champ, what more can you do?
...What more should you do? ;)

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The reason I don't like Mayweather is because he is one cocky arrogant c*** who has to much money he does'nt know what to do with it.

I would back Cotto if he faced Mayweather but Mayweather would beat him IMO.

I can prove what I said at the top as why don't I like Paulie " am the man" Malignaggi you think. He needs to get KNFO soon to shut his mouth up and thats why i'll always respect Cotto for putting him on his pants.

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You make it seem like Hatton isn't arrogant. Just look at the 24/7 series and see all the bullshit he was talking. Even his stupid a** mom was talking nonsense. Not to mention Hatton pathetic comments after he got knocked the F*** out. Trying to blame the ref and making it seem like the outcome could of been different. F*** Hatton. He got what he F****** deserved.

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Here we go again the most biased Mayweather fan on the board :blahbla:. Hatton never blamed the ref, open up the topic Exclusive Ricky Hatton interview (Mentions Billy Graham) which I posted. How can you call Hatton arrogant look what your little homie Mayweather says about everyone. Hatton isn't arrogant what did he say bad ??? Mocking his work on the pads big wow... What did he say after he got knocked out, I slipped, how many people would say that with a smile on there faces. What did his Mum say, Decemebr the 8th is your night son??? not one of them is arrogant so go on you tell me.

RUN FLOYD RUN, COTTO'S COMING FOR YOU.

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The reason I don't like Mayweather is because he is one cocky arrogant c*** who has to much money he does'nt know what to do with it.

I would back Cotto if he faced Mayweather but Mayweather would beat him IMO.

I can prove what I said at the top as why don't I like Paulie " am the man" Malignaggi you think. He needs to get KNFO soon to shut his mouth up and thats why i'll always respect Cotto for putting him on his pants.

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You make it seem like Hatton isn't arrogant. Just look at the 24/7 series and see all the bullshit he was talking. Even his stupid a** mom was talking nonsense. Not to mention Hatton pathetic comments after he got knocked the F*** out. Trying to blame the ref and making it seem like the outcome could of been different. F*** Hatton. He got what he F****** deserved.

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Here we go again the most biased Mayweather fan on the board :blahbla:. Hatton never blamed the ref, open up the topic Exclusive Ricky Hatton interview (Mentions Billy Graham) which I posted. How can you call Hatton arrogant look what your little homie Mayweather says about everyone. Hatton isn't arrogant what did he say bad ??? Mocking his work on the pads big wow... What did he say after he got knocked out, I slipped, how many people would say that with a smile on there faces. What did his Mum say, Decemebr the 8th is your night son??? not one of them is arrogant so go on you tell me.

RUN FLOYD RUN, COTTO'S COMING FOR YOU.

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What happened to "RUN FLOYD RUN, HATTON'S COMING FOR YOU?" Oh yeah Hatton got close, trip and knocked himself out on the corner post. Damn.

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Maj.

In regards to HBO's comments about the Floyd/ Oscar fight & also your gripe with 'Contradictions' and such....


Cotto dosent go round calling himself the greatest. So when he beats shane Mosley (a guy who is probably still nearer his prime than Dela Hoya and actually was probably a better fighter in his peak to boot) its fairly justifiable to pick holes in Mayweathers win when he calls himself the greatest in actually acheiving less than what Cotto had in his win. Mayweather out Punched the 'Puncher' Cotto out boxed the 'Boxer'. IMO they both deserve great credit for there respective wins.... But i just feel Floyd is reaping the benifits for having a big mouth...

Then again maybe of Cotto went around calling himself the greatest Welterweight, the fight might actually happen (i say that because i would love to put money down that it doesn't).

Also what you said about Cotto being safe from the kind of persecution Floyd gets for the fighters he has faced... Ive saod it before and i'll say it again. Cotto IMO has only just been really let off the leash by Arum and has only just broken into the big wideworld of superstardom. He is at a completely diferent point in his career to Floyd so that sort of Critism was nullified by the fact that his promoter was controlling him maybe in a protective way.

As of this moment (well, as of 11th Nov) Cotto is wide open to critism. However, I dont think Cotto will fall guilty of failing to provide fan-freindly fights (all parties permiting of course).

I know its about more than just fan-freindly fights but, when your already the champ, what more can you do?
...What more should you do? ;)

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Dude. I am not even phuking with Michael Jackson anymore. I stopped reading when he quit understanding.

Urkal was a mandatory.

Cotto has been a Welter a little over a year. Floyd has been a Welter for more than 2 years.

Cotto wanted to fight Margarito but Tony said he would fight Williams instead.

He is trying to turn this thing around just like his boy the Real Michael Jackson.
Asking the world what is wrong about a grown man sleeping with little boys.
And then sitting there and trying to justify his reasons as to why it is ok.
It's not ok, no matter what you say.

As far as I am concerned, Majesty can think he is totaly right about the nonesense he replied to but I am not wasting my time. I answered and now he just wants to argue things I already answered and made clear to him and it's as though he never read it.

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And Cotto fighting Mosley was a close and hard fight and Cotto didnt "beat the crap" out of Mosley and he didn't dominate him either, Cotto won the fight but it wasn't a domination. Much like his fight with Malignaggi wasnt a domination either but Cotto fans try to make it sound like it.

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You silly little boy lover.
It was a Unanimous Decision.
Did you see Shane's face?
Both side swollen, ruptured ear drum.

Now you say Paulie was not owned?
What fight were you watching?
Unanimous Decision
judge: Don Trella 115-112 | judge: Glenn Feldman 116-111 | judge: Peter Trematerra 116-111 ~
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/509...gnaggi9tz6.jpg
If that aint the face of someone getting owned, I don't know what is.
Cotto beat this fool with one hand.
;D
Imagine what would have happend to him had Cotto not broke his hand? LMAO
Sit the hell down Majesty and go find some little boy to lie to.
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Urkal was a mandatory.

Cotto has been a Welter a little over a year. Floyd has been a Welter for more than 2 years.

Cotto wanted to fight Margarito but Tony said he would fight Williams instead.

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You got that right Danny.


and about the comments of Boxing backwads it also takes talent but is a bit easier for counter punching

dang! that Malinaggi picture is priceless. He definitely got owned. I had to add to save that one. Thanks man.

I too am going to save that picture.

Miguel Cotto has damaged damn near every opponent he's been in the ring with.
I don't mean KO them, I mean he has cut, bruised and broken the bones of nearly everyone he's faced. I just realised that watching a highlight reel there.

That picture almost made me puke my guts out. DAAAAAMMMMMNNN

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Maj.

In regards to HBO's comments about the Floyd/ Oscar fight & also your gripe with 'Contradictions' and such....


Cotto dosent go round calling himself the greatest. So when he beats shane Mosley (a guy who is probably still nearer his prime than Dela Hoya and actually was probably a better fighter in his peak to boot) its fairly justifiable to pick holes in Mayweathers win when he calls himself the greatest in actually acheiving less than what Cotto had in his win. Mayweather out Punched the 'Puncher' Cotto out boxed the 'Boxer'. IMO they both deserve great credit for there respective wins.... But i just feel Floyd is reaping the benifits for having a big mouth...

Then again maybe of Cotto went around calling himself the greatest Welterweight, the fight might actually happen (i say that because i would love to put money down that it doesn't).

Also what you said about Cotto being safe from the kind of persecution Floyd gets for the fighters he has faced... Ive saod it before and i'll say it again. Cotto IMO has only just been really let off the leash by Arum and has only just broken into the big wideworld of superstardom. He is at a completely diferent point in his career to Floyd so that sort of Critism was nullified by the fact that his promoter was controlling him maybe in a protective way.

As of this moment (well, as of 11th Nov) Cotto is wide open to critism. However, I dont think Cotto will fall guilty of failing to provide fan-freindly fights (all parties permiting of course).

I know its about more than just fan-freindly fights but, when your already the champ, what more can you do?
...What more should you do? ;)

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Dude. I am not even phuking with Michael Jackson anymore. I stopped reading when he quit understanding.

Urkal was a mandatory.

Cotto has been a Welter a little over a year. Floyd has been a Welter for more than 2 years.

Cotto wanted to fight Margarito but Tony said he would fight Williams instead.

He is trying to turn this thing around just like his boy the Real Michael Jackson.
Asking the world what is wrong about a grown man sleeping with little boys.
And then sitting there and trying to justify his reasons as to why it is ok.
It's not ok, no matter what you say.

As far as I am concerned, Majesty can think he is totaly right about the nonesense he replied to but I am not wasting my time. I answered and now he just wants to argue things I already answered and made clear to him and it's as though he never read it.

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The reason you didn't respond is because you couldnt :)

If you read the whole thing I said more then that, much more.

Maj,most of your points go out of the window when you try to ask silly questions like why doesn't Cotto fight so and so. Firstly,Floyd is P4P number 1 and the lineal champ at 147,so it's his responsibility to the fight the best.The standards will be higher for him. Secondly,,Cotto has been at WW for what,a year and fought Urkal,Quintana,Zab and Shane. That is MASSIVELY impressive and he would have fought and may fight: Clottey/Marg/Cintron. How the hell can you criticise that? The rest of your points,well I have zero idea what they are about and how they are relevant!

If this basically boils down to you getting annoyed at Danny G for making Floyd threads,or sorry,anti-Floyd threads,it's all a bit pointless¬ ;D

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Maj,most of your points go out of the window when you try to ask silly questions like why doesn't Cotto fight so and so. Firstly,Floyd is P4P number 1 and the lineal champ at 147,so it's his responsibility to the fight the best.The standards will be higher for him.

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So you're saying that Floyd is p4p so he should fight these guys instead of Cotto? Come on do you actually really believe the reason Cotto hasnt fought those guys is because Floyd is p4p number 1? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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Secondly,,Cotto has been at WW for what,a year and fought Urkal,Quintana,Zab and Shane. That is MASSIVELY impressive and he would have fought and may fight: Clottey/Marg/Cintron. How the hell can you criticise that?

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Easily, because Floyd already beat Zab Judah. Quintana was basically untested and Urkal was a 140 pound champion. And my point isnt to critisize, my point in saying that was to show you that his opposition it can be easily critisized if you want to critisize Floyd for fighting Baldomir Oscar and Hatton in that same time-frame. It works both ways. I could easily ask you whens the last time Shane Mosley held a title?

People say "Cotto has only been at welterweight a little while" then in the same sentence again say he should fight Mayweather. That doesnt make any sense, because if Mayweather beat Cotto people would say "Cotto is just starting out at Welterweight."

Here's a question for you. How many champs did Cotto take the title from?

3 of Floyd's last 4 matches

Judah(champ but political reason), Baldomir(undispiuted champ so that ended that), Oscar(in Oscar's weight class), and now Ricky Hatton.

How can people critisize that?

Floyd is showing why his legacy is ligit. He's already made his legacy so what else does he have to prove? All these other guys mentioned have yet to even make their legacy and the only reason you want Floyd to fight them is so they can build a legacy off of his name, you say it best when you say that 147 is one of the most talented divisions, but Floyd's already made his legacy and beat who he needed to beat to make it. Cotto Clottey Williams and Cintron have yet to make their legacy and should build it fighting each other then mention Floyd Mayweather's name.

I think Mayweather said it best when he said "It's not my responsibility to fight everyone, I'm already on top, they have to fight for the opportunity to get in my spot."

so why don't you let them do that instead of throwing Mayweather's name out there every 5 seconds and using "He's p4p number one" as an excuse for it.

I know you understood that Jetson :)

Maj, i have to agree with you on one thing. I think all boxers should try to keep Mayweather's name out of their mouths.

Mayweather IS the linear champ but its obvious that, at this stage of his career, he is a law unto himself, meaning he simply wont oblige run of the mill challenges (note; not challengers ;) )

Besides, i have serious reservations on him
a) Fighting a top 5 Welter
or
b) Ever fighting again.

I just dont see him doing it against the big boys of the division.


I mean lets look at Mayweathers last 4 fights, the ones that supposedly ''showed why his legacy is ligit''

Judah, although is still IMO a world class operator, is not (actually never) winning key fights.

Baldomir is a tough fight for mentally frail, chinny or old shot fighter but will never achieve anything in his life except for beating Judah. Who as ive already said, losses key fights.

Dela Hoya The sports most decorated fighter and a garunteed life making paycheck. But lets be honset, Molsey beat him nearly 10 years ago and Cotto, Williams and Margarito would probably beat him now.... That could be up for serious debate but im ready ;D

Hatton... Well, as much as it pains me to say this. If Hatton looked that small against Mayweather then im probably right in saying that the entire top 10 of the WW division would beat him.



Now on the face of things, these four fights look very very decent but really, Maywether has NOT faced the TOP guys at Welterweight. As a Welterweight himself. As the Worlds premier fighter. For whatever reason. That is the fact of the matter.
I know Cotto is yet to also... But you can bet your life he will.

P.S Judah wasn't Mayweathers 1st fight at Welter, it was Shamba Mitchell ;)

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Maj,most of your points go out of the window when you try to ask silly questions like why doesn't Cotto fight so and so. Firstly,Floyd is P4P number 1 and the lineal champ at 147,so it's his responsibility to the fight the best.The standards will be higher for him.

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So you're saying that Floyd is p4p so he should fight these guys instead of Cotto? Come on do you actually really believe the reason Cotto hasnt fought those guys is because Floyd is p4p number 1? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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Secondly,,Cotto has been at WW for what,a year and fought Urkal,Quintana,Zab and Shane. That is MASSIVELY impressive and he would have fought and may fight: Clottey/Marg/Cintron. How the hell can you criticise that?

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Easily, because Floyd already beat Zab Judah. Quintana was basically untested and Urkal was a 140 pound champion. And my point isnt to critisize, my point in saying that was to show you that his opposition it can be easily critisized if you want to critisize Floyd for fighting Baldomir Oscar and Hatton in that same time-frame. It works both ways. I could easily ask you whens the last time Shane Mosley held a title?

People say "Cotto has only been at welterweight a little while" then in the same sentence again say he should fight Mayweather. That doesnt make any sense, because if Mayweather beat Cotto people would say "Cotto is just starting out at Welterweight."

Here's a question for you. How many champs did Cotto take the title from?

3 of Floyd's last 4 matches

Judah(champ but political reason), Baldomir(undispiuted champ so that ended that), Oscar(in Oscar's weight class), and now Ricky Hatton.

How can people critisize that?

Floyd is showing why his legacy is ligit. He's already made his legacy so what else does he have to prove? All these other guys mentioned have yet to even make their legacy and the only reason you want Floyd to fight them is so they can build a legacy off of his name, you say it best when you say that 147 is one of the most talented divisions, but Floyd's already made his legacy and beat who he needed to beat to make it. Cotto Clottey Williams and Cintron have yet to make their legacy and should build it fighting each other then mention Floyd Mayweather's name.

I think Mayweather said it best when he said "It's not my responsibility to fight everyone, I'm already on top, they have to fight for the opportunity to get in my spot."

so why don't you let them do that instead of throwing Mayweather's name out there every 5 seconds and using "He's p4p number one" as an excuse for it.

I know you understood that Jetson :)

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Maj, i have to agree with you on one thing. I think all boxers should try to keep Mayweather's name out of their mouths.

Mayweather IS the linear champ but its obvious that, at this stage of his career, he is a law unto himself, meaning he simply wont oblige run of the mill challenges (note; not challengers ;) )

Besides, i have serious reservations on him
a) Fighting a top 5 Welter
or
b) Ever fighting again.

I just dont see him doing it against the big boys of the division.


I mean lets look at Mayweathers last 4 fights, the ones that supposedly ''showed why his legacy is ligit''

Judah, although is still IMO a world class operator, is not (actually never) winning key fights.

Baldomir is a tough fight for mentally frail, chinny or old shot fighter but will never achieve anything in his life except for beating Judah. Who as ive already said, losses key fights.

Dela Hoya The sports most decorated fighter and a garunteed life making paycheck. But lets be honset, Molsey beat him nearly 10 years ago and Cotto, Williams and Margarito would probably beat him now.... That could be up for serious debate but im ready ;D

Hatton... Well, as much as it pains me to say this. If Hatton looked that small against Mayweather then im probably right in saying that the entire top 10 of the WW division would beat him.



Now on the face of things, these four fights look very very decent but really, Maywether has NOT faced the TOP guys at Welterweight. As a Welterweight himself. As the Worlds premier fighter. For whatever reason. That is the fact of the matter.
I know Cotto is yet to also... But you can bet your life he will.

P.S Judah wasn't Mayweathers 1st fight at Welter, it was Shamba Mitchell ;)

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CC Grinch. ;)

Safe G ;)

:coolclick: to you & Maj. Good thread.

In the video verse Corly Mechant said "that wasnt a knock down he went down own his own accord" WTF? When was taking a knee not been ruled a knock down ,MECHANT IS AN IDIOT! He went down because he had enough beating and wanted it to stop..IT WAS A KNOCKDOWN!

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In the video verse Corly Mechant said "that wasnt a knock down he went down own his own accord" WTF? When was taking a knee not been ruled a knock down ,MECHANT IS AN IDIOT! He went down because he had enough beating and wanted it to stop..IT WAS A KNOCKDOWN!

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I have a friend who recently won the European amateur title. In the third round he got extemely hard and felt he was in danger of being stopped. He took a knee. Took the subsequent 8 count and went on to win a UD. Boxers need tactics.

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The reason I don't like Mayweather is because he is one cocky arrogant c*** who has to much money he does'nt know what to do with it.

I would back Cotto if he faced Mayweather but Mayweather would beat him IMO.

I can prove what I said at the top as why don't I like Paulie " am the man" Malignaggi you think. He needs to get KNFO soon to shut his mouth up and thats why i'll always respect Cotto for putting him on his pants.

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You make it seem like Hatton isn't arrogant. Just look at the 24/7 series and see all the bullshit he was talking. Even his stupid a** mom was talking nonsense. Not to mention Hatton pathetic comments after he got knocked the F*** out. Trying to blame the ref and making it seem like the outcome could of been different. F*** Hatton. He got what he F****** deserved.

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Well said VD, Hatton is an arrogant prick that got exposed as the fraud he is!

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The reason I don't like Mayweather is because he is one cocky arrogant c*** who has to much money he does'nt know what to do with it.

I would back Cotto if he faced Mayweather but Mayweather would beat him IMO.

I can prove what I said at the top as why don't I like Paulie " am the man" Malignaggi you think. He needs to get KNFO soon to shut his mouth up and thats why i'll always respect Cotto for putting him on his pants.

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You make it seem like Hatton isn't arrogant. Just look at the 24/7 series and see all the bullshit he was talking. Even his stupid a** mom was talking nonsense. Not to mention Hatton pathetic comments after he got knocked the F*** out. Trying to blame the ref and making it seem like the outcome could of been different. F*** Hatton. He got what he F****** deserved.

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Well said VD, Hatton is an arrogant prick that got exposed as the fraud he is!

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The best Light Welter on the planet is a fraud?

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I hate PBf not going to lie i hate him so much i wanted hatton to win which i have a better chance of winning the world series of poker. Look Hatton was not that good of a win in WW division although PBF desposed of him which is a good thing. People make me mad when they compare Cotto to Hatton they are completly different. Cotto uses smart pressure and has a good jab to apply it with and what happens if the Cotto wins will PBF fan boys give him his respect i highly doubt it. Look Cotto has not said he would not face the top welters PBF has hinted at it i doubt PBF will face PW because he will most likely will lose to the freak and i bet money on PW he is all wrong for PBF and PBF knows this. Look i not denying PBF is great he is ATG in 130,135 but in 140 he did nothing and 154 he did nothing and 147 he still fighting we will see but look people complaining about PBF hater need to open there eyes because there are alot of Cotto hater in this form to not point out names some of them are in the thread it goes both ways do not forget.

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Hi Mr140 , i agree with you ,you are righ i dont understand how people can compare Hatton with Cotto they are completly different the Quality of boxing from Cotto is very Superior and also Hatton even know how boxing that is the True, and about Williams , i want to ask to Cotto haters if Williams can support the Cotto punch, come on guys, we know that Williams make lot of punch and he are fast too ,but he dont going support the Cotto punch certainly , about Margarito vs Williams; Margarito lose that fight because he just wanted KO him and didnt came with other plan B to how work him, now let see what William can do to Quintana ,this fight going to be good . 8) 8)

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And Cotto fighting Mosley was a close and hard fight and Cotto didnt "beat the crap" out of Mosley and he didn't dominate him either, Cotto won the fight but it wasn't a domination. Much like his fight with Malignaggi wasnt a domination either but Cotto fans try to make it sound like it.

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You silly little boy lover.
It was a Unanimous Decision.
Did you see Shane's face?
Both side swollen, ruptured ear drum.

Now you say Paulie was not owned?
What fight were you watching?
Unanimous Decision
judge: Don Trella 115-112 | judge: Glenn Feldman 116-111 | judge: Peter Trematerra 116-111 ~
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/509...gnaggi9tz6.jpg
If that aint the face of someone getting owned, I don't know what is.
Cotto beat this fool with one hand.
;D
Imagine what would have happend to him had Cotto not broke his hand? LMAO
Sit the hell down Majesty and go find some little boy to lie to.
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;D ;D ;D :o Hi Floyd_fear_Cotto , jajajaja wow damn.....i dont undestand why people dont believe what can Cotto do, for Cotto haters , in Puerto Rico the fans called him the terror kidney because he put drain blood to the most of his oponent , jaja ;D and that is why Mayweather have scare him ;D and Malignaggi sure can say that . DAMN........THAT PHOTO LOOK NICE....JAJAJAJAJA ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yep,because once he fights truly ELITE competition he looks like a b-fighter ,hell Collazo exposed him and he is far from elite!

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Maj, i have to agree with you on one thing. I think all boxers should try to keep Mayweather's name out of their mouths.

Mayweather IS the linear champ but its obvious that, at this stage of his career, he is a law unto himself, meaning he simply wont oblige run of the mill challenges (note; not challengers ;) )

Besides, i have serious reservations on him
a) Fighting a top 5 Welter
or
b) Ever fighting again.

I just dont see him doing it against the big boys of the division.


I mean lets look at Mayweathers last 4 fights, the ones that supposedly ''showed why his legacy is ligit''

Judah, although is still IMO a world class operator, is not (actually never) winning key fights.

Baldomir is a tough fight for mentally frail, chinny or old shot fighter but will never achieve anything in his life except for beating Judah. Who as ive already said, losses key fights.

Dela Hoya The sports most decorated fighter and a garunteed life making paycheck. But lets be honset, Molsey beat him nearly 10 years ago and Cotto, Williams and Margarito would probably beat him now.... That could be up for serious debate but im ready ;D

Hatton... Well, as much as it pains me to say this. If Hatton looked that small against Mayweather then im probably right in saying that the entire top 10 of the WW division would beat him.



Now on the face of things, these four fights look very very decent but really, Maywether has NOT faced the TOP guys at Welterweight. As a Welterweight himself. As the Worlds premier fighter. For whatever reason. That is the fact of the matter.
I know Cotto is yet to also... But you can bet your life he will.

P.S Judah wasn't Mayweathers 1st fight at Welter, it was Shamba Mitchell ;)

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Alright lets look at Cotto's last 4 fights

Mosley: A name fighter that you could place in a class with Oscar but he isnt the same Shane Mosley that he was those years ago and it was a close and tough fight for Cotto.

Judah: Floyd already had beaten him and Judah hadnt won a fight in a year, how he got that fight with Cotto I have no idea. Just someone that Floyd had already beaten and people want ot excuse that by saying it was "The way" that Cotto beat him, but point remains, Floyd already beat Judah in his second fight at Welterweight. And as you said he loses key fights.


Urkal: Urkal....I dont think I need to say anything here and Cotto seemed to be off his game that night.

Quintana: Who is carlos quintana? He only got that claim because he beat a prospect named Julio. But I felt that Quintana had no chance in that fight he was a small fish being thrown in with a shark.


And no one has answered the question I asked earlier

How many champs has Cotto beaten for the title?


People wanna downgrade Hatton and they say Collazo showed he couldnt hang there.

Well Floyd showed that Judah couldnt hang, and so did Baldomir before that.

So why do people defend Cotto from this kind of critisism? See what I'm getting at

And he fought Oscar for the belt in oscar's weight class.

And that in my opinion is more impressive then Cotto beating Mosley.

Think about it, Mayweather is a small welterweight, he went up to 154 and beat Oscar with Oscar's gloves, in oscar's ring at oscar's weight, and as devastating as oscar looked against mayorga a lot of people thought he would knock him out.

And yet when Floyd one they say "Oh oscar was past his prime and etc etc" Mayweather fighting Oscar was a bigger risk then Cotto fighting Mosley in mu opinion.

And at Mayweather's most recent fight against Hatton, Hatton the ring fighter of the year and the best fighter at 140 and Mayweather isnt as natural a 147 pounder as Cotto probably is by now.

Let me ask you this, when has Cotto fought the best of ANY weight class?

People act like the fight would have been different if Mayweather fought Hatton at 140 as if Mayweather was a natural welterweight anyway.

Cotto aint fought the best at 140 or even 147. Meanwhile Mayweather has beaten the best at 135 and people said he didnt beat the best at 140(cause he only beat Gatti before) but he beats Hatton, and people try to make an excuse and say Hatton aint a natural welterweight, neither is Mayweather.

Cotto hasnt beat the best in any weight class.

And I'll ask again.

What champ has Cotto ever beat for the Title? Who did he ever have to take the title from?

Like I said, Mayweather already made his legacy, and other fighters are trying to base theirs off of him, why not fight each other.

Mayweather has taken more risks in his last 4 fights then Cotto has

Now I await your response.

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And some of the other welterweights.


Since the people here who I won't name because they make about 10 topics a day about this.

They say "Why doesn't mayweather fight cotto?" or "Why didn't he fight Margarito?"

As much as you people hate Mayweather you sure put him up there on this level where he has to be the only one to fight the good fighters in his division.


And you boxing fans don't know what you want, and thats not an insult its what I've seen.


You say Mayweather aint fought nobody who can match him stylictically and Zab Judah was your savior name. Floyd goes and beats Zab and then it became "He should have given Baldomir the shot"


Alright so he fights and beats Baldomir, the undisputed champ at welterweight and people say "Who beat Kostya Tszyu?" so Floyd now is the first and only to knock out Ricky Hatton and your new excuse is "Hatton isnt a welterweight, Floyd should fight a real one like Cotto"

And as soon as he beats Cotto it will become "he is still ducking Margarito" And once he beats Margarito it will be "margarito was overrated, at least Cotto had the balls to fight Shane" its a running joke alright?

And I'm not the only one who's had enough of it.


So I say to you fans who like to bash Mayweather as if he's the only person who can fight these guys.

Answer my question on this.


Cotto is a Welterweight, how about you explain to me why he hasn't faced anyone like Clottey, or Margarito, or Williams or even Cintron yet?

The only people on his resume who, if you want to play the "credit game"

The two best names on Cotto's resume are Shane Mosley and Zab Judah.


Mayweather already beat Zab Judah in his first fight at Welterweight and people didn't want to give Mayweather any credit whatsoever and if Zab had won that fight no one would be saying that Mayweather was a blown up Junior Welterweight or that the ref was against him.


Cotto beats Zab Judah and ahh hell breaks loose with the credit and kudos he'd gotten despite the fact Zab hadn't won a match since before the Baldomir fight, and had done nothing to get a shot at Cotto's title, and was there on star power and name alone, much like Shane Mosley.


Shane Mosley then gets the shot at Cotto when he hadn't fought since near the beginning of the year against Collazo who was coming off a loss to Ricky Hatton and wasn't anywhere near the rankings to take on Cotto so Mosley gets there on star power.

Mosley is a very accomplished superstar in the sport of boxing.

But honestly, had it been Mayweather that fought and beat him then you would have been complaining, you fans would have complained your heads off. Know why?


Because Floyd MOVED UP to oscar's weight class. And he beat Oscar De La Hoya at Oscar's own game, did he get any credit whatsoever? No... NONE from you fans who want to downgrade him and put him up for another challenge.

And even the HBO people say "The fact of the matter is he beat up a past his prime fighter and it was a close decision" To take credit from Mayweather.


However Miguel Cotto defeats Shane Mosley and all hell breaks loose and Cotto is the new STAR of boxing when Mosley falls in the same category as Oscar, a one great fighter who is now past his prime but can still go a little in a close decision victory.


Now don't try to tell me for one moment you can justify taking credit from Mayweather for beating Oscar, and then giving credit to Cotto for beating Mosley in the same sentence, it just doesn't work that way, it just doesnt.


So my biggest question to you. Is if Cotto is the "savior" of boxing and Mayweather is boxings "anti-christ" Then let me ask you. Cotto has been taking the same route Mayweather took AFTER Mayweather took the route first, why isn't Cotto the one fighting Margarito, Paul Williams, Joshua Clottey and hell even Kermit Cintron!?


Why is Cotto safe from your critisism when he is doing the same kinds of things Mayweather did but is presented as a different side of the railroad tracks when its really the same darn thing.

Answer me that. And Cotto isn't the only one I'm going after, I'm going after every one of those welterweights you dump on Mayweather's shoulders to fight that have yet to fight each other. And as long as you have been dogging Mayweather for it the FIRST time that these welterweights are actually fighting each other is Cintron and Williams, but with Cintrons "broken hand" that fight is questionable at this moment as to when it is going to happen.



So you mayweather "haters" out there.

Answer my question if you can.

And don't respond with just Mayweather bashing and no facts, because I'll just tell you that you didn't answer my question and then we'll be back to square one again.


So this is a challenge to all of you Mayweather haters and non-supporters that say he should fight these people.


Put your answers here, and lets put this whole debate to rest.

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Hi Majesty,im going tell with all respect , for me Paul Williams, Cintron, Clotey and Margarito dont have nothing to Get with Cotto, he is more stronghest than them and i dont want take them off a credit because they are a good fighters but you have to see that is the time for Cotto make money and you know that Margarito had the time for fight Cotto but he lose with Williams that its not his fault and Williams cant support Cotto`s punches, he dont have kidney for hold his punches and Clotey Who is he? and Cintron? well we know :laugh: . 8)