Will Edison Miranda ever be a world champion?

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In ways I can see that weight must have been an issue for him Pantera. But if it was such a problem and because Miranda had such a good name, why did he risk it by fighting Pavlik? He should have gone straight to 168 if that was the case, at least he would have prevented a loss. I rekon if Pavlik had taken the fight at 168 it might have been another story, but I dont believe he can take that loss away from him. Who knows what will happen now, I hope that he can get a big name on his record at 168 and lets see what he can do. If he does well and Pavlik does well, maybe they can rematch. I will believe this weight issue if Miranda beats Pavlik in a rematch at 168, but if he doesnt there is no excuses.

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Pavlik was the number 1 contender and the bout was ordered. At the press conference Miranda spent most of the time calling out Jermain Taylor and saying that Taylor was avoiding him.
I think Miranda knew he didn't have much time left at Middleweight.

Pavlik and Miranda are 2 of my favourite fighters and I hope they do have a rematch at some point.

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still doesnt mean he couldnt say that his weight was an issue. If it was so major he would have cancelled the fight...

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In ways I can see that weight must have been an issue for him Pantera. But if it was such a problem and because Miranda had such a good name, why did he risk it by fighting Pavlik? He should have gone straight to 168 if that was the case, at least he would have prevented a loss. I rekon if Pavlik had taken the fight at 168 it might have been another story, but I dont believe he can take that loss away from him. Who knows what will happen now, I hope that he can get a big name on his record at 168 and lets see what he can do. If he does well and Pavlik does well, maybe they can rematch. I will believe this weight issue if Miranda beats Pavlik in a rematch at 168, but if he doesnt there is no excuses.

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Pavlik was the number 1 contender and the bout was ordered. At the press conference Miranda spent most of the time calling out Jermain Taylor and saying that Taylor was avoiding him.
I think Miranda knew he didn't have much time left at Middleweight.

Pavlik and Miranda are 2 of my favourite fighters and I hope they do have a rematch at some point.

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still doesnt mean he couldnt say that his weight was an issue. If it was so major he would have cancelled the fight...

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And he should have. But in his heart he thought he could somehow make the weight and still have enough left in him to beat Pavlik. He really thought Pavlik was going to be an easy fight. He took him WAY WAY to lightly. He knows now that at this level there is nobody you can take lightly. And to be honest, if Pavlik was only as good as he had thought, and many others, he probably would have gotten though that night with a win. Pavlik is a freakin strong amazing puncher with a decent chin, and until that night, not many people knew he was.

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

In ways I can see that weight must have been an issue for him Pantera. But if it was such a problem and because Miranda had such a good name, why did he risk it by fighting Pavlik? He should have gone straight to 168 if that was the case, at least he would have prevented a loss. I rekon if Pavlik had taken the fight at 168 it might have been another story, but I dont believe he can take that loss away from him. Who knows what will happen now, I hope that he can get a big name on his record at 168 and lets see what he can do. If he does well and Pavlik does well, maybe they can rematch. I will believe this weight issue if Miranda beats Pavlik in a rematch at 168, but if he doesnt there is no excuses.

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Pavlik was the number 1 contender and the bout was ordered. At the press conference Miranda spent most of the time calling out Jermain Taylor and saying that Taylor was avoiding him.
I think Miranda knew he didn't have much time left at Middleweight.

Pavlik and Miranda are 2 of my favourite fighters and I hope they do have a rematch at some point.

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still doesnt mean he couldnt say that his weight was an issue. If it was so major he would have cancelled the fight...

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And he should have. But in his heart he thought he could somehow make the weight and still have enough left in him to beat Pavlik. He really thought Pavlik was going to be an easy fight. He took him WAY WAY to lightly. He knows now that at this level there is nobody you can take lightly. And to be honest, if Pavlik was only as good as he had thought, and many others, he probably would have gotten though that night with a win. Pavlik is a freakin strong amazing puncher with a decent chin, and until that night, not many people knew he was.

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I always backed Pavlik for the win. I knew he was good having an undefated record with that many kos means you are special. I think i was one of the only Pavlik backers for that fight as well

I figure that if Marcus Beyer and Anthony Mundine can grab world titles at 168, then so can Pantera.

Miranda seemed to have decent stamina and strength in the Pavlik fight, but Pavlik just forced a pace that was too fast for him. Even though Miranda lost 4 of the first 5 rounds, he was in the fight and was very competitive.

Miranda just got thrown in to a fight with a guy who was on a mission to prove a point. He may have taken Pavlik lightly but he was well trained. Both of them get huge props for the best pure slugfest I have seen in years.

I thought Pavlik kinda took him lightly also as he predicted he would take it to Miranda and bully him. I was like WTF? Not a chance in hell will he bully Miranda.

Man was I wrong! I love Miranda and I am a huge fan, but I will not lesson Pavlik's victory. He went in there, initiated a war and came out on top. Props to him. He is a bad ass!!

cc Dean i totally agree with what you are saying

The funny thing about that fight is Miranda was actually up on all three judges cards going into the 6th round. I was right there ringside and did not see it that way. At best I had Miranda down 2-3, but they all had it 3-2 Miranda.

He was the favourite and the judges ALWAYS favour the favourite IMO.

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The funny thing about that fight is Miranda was actually up on all three judges cards going into the 6th round. I was right there ringside and did not see it that way. At best I had Miranda down 2-3, but they all had it 3-2 Miranda.

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The Kelly Pavlik fight ?? no way on this earth was Miranda up in that fight, he got totally dominated. I only had him winning 1 round except for that it was all one way traffic. I don't like what your implying either, that Pavlik won because of Miranda's *weight problems*. If Miranda would of won you wouldn't be bringing that up at all so lets stop with the excuses. Pavlik was just the better man, to be honest i know your big fan of Miranda but i have never really thought much of him. And i don't see him beating any of the elite Super Middleweights either.

No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.
I believe Allan Green was not himself the night Miranda whipped his ass so I am very open minded.
Would have Kelly beaten Miranda that night regardless? Most of you think so, and that is a fair call. I dont know, but would love to find out by a rematch.

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Originally Posted by Pantera

No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.
I believe Allan Green was not himself the night Miranda whipped his a** so I am very open minded.
Would have Kelly beaten Miranda that night regardless? Most of you think so, and that is a fair call. I dont know, but would love to find out by a rematch.

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No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.

Sorry but i don't like petty excuses i thought you was better than that Pantera. Now Miranda had a fever ?? come off it he looked fine to me its just Pavlik was too strong and Miranda didn't know what to do fighting on the back foot, because he had never been in that situation before. If Miranda would of won you wouldn't be saying *Miranda had fever, weight problems* You just have to accept Miranda was beaten fair and square no excuses. One of my favorite fighters lost awhile ago aka Marco Antonio Barrera. And i didn't make any excuses and i gave Pacquiao his props and i moved on. Miranda does not deserve a rematch after getting beaten that badly, and plus do you really think Miranda would want a rematch ??

Plus i didn't hear you making all these excuses before the fight. When you was 100 percent convinced Miranda would destroy Pavlik.

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No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.
I believe Allan Green was not himself the night Miranda whipped his a** so I am very open minded.
Would have Kelly beaten Miranda that night regardless? Most of you think so, and that is a fair call. I dont know, but would love to find out by a rematch.

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No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.

Sorry but i don't like petty excuses i thought you was better than that Pantera. Now Miranda had a fever ?? come off it he looked fine to me its just Pavlik was too strong and Miranda didn't know what to do fighting on the back foot, because he had never been in that situation before. If Miranda would of won you wouldn't be saying *Miranda had fever, weight problems* You just have to accept Miranda was beaten fair and square no excuses. One of my favorite fighters lost awhile ago aka Marco Antonio Barrera. And i didn't make any excuses and i gave Pacquiao his props and i moved on. Miranda does not deserve a rematch after getting beaten that badly, and plus do you really think Miranda would want a rematch ??

Plus i didn't hear you making all these excuses before the fight. When you was 100 percent convinced Miranda would destroy Pavlik.

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CC I can't stand sick excuses. Obviously I'm a pretty big Ouma fan and I remember after he lost to Karmazin people saying he had the flu, what a load of bullshit, if he had the flu why was he smiling, laughing, jumping up and down on the way to the ring. He just got his ass beat, plain and simple. Miranda just got his ass beat, plain and simple. Like Pavlik doesn't have to cut weight, look at him, he's huge.

I don't like any excuses really, seems like every time somebody has a less than spectacular performance they've hurt their hand, are sick, etc. Not saying its not always just an excuse but a lot of them seem to be.

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No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.
I believe Allan Green was not himself the night Miranda whipped his a** so I am very open minded.
Would have Kelly beaten Miranda that night regardless? Most of you think so, and that is a fair call. I dont know, but would love to find out by a rematch.

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No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.

Sorry but i don't like petty excuses i thought you was better than that Pantera. Now Miranda had a fever ?? come off it he looked fine to me its just Pavlik was too strong and Miranda didn't know what to do fighting on the back foot, because he had never been in that situation before. If Miranda would of won you wouldn't be saying *Miranda had fever, weight problems* You just have to accept Miranda was beaten fair and square no excuses. One of my favorite fighters lost awhile ago aka Marco Antonio Barrera. And i didn't make any excuses and i gave Pacquiao his props and i moved on. Miranda does not deserve a rematch after getting beaten that badly, and plus do you really think Miranda would want a rematch ??

Plus i didn't hear you making all these excuses before the fight. When you was 100 percent convinced Miranda would destroy Pavlik.

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I was in Memphis the days before the fight and wasnt making any posts. What I say our facts. Miranda had a fever all day before the fight. He hardly even ate after the weigh in (usually he had a pretty healthy appetite).

Listen, you dont have to believe me, and even if you do, you may not think it had an affect on him.
I realize this is boxing and there are no excuses, you get your ass beat, well, it is what it is.

But down the road if Edison proves himseld at 168lbs and grabs a belt on the way, you bet your ass there will be a rematch and I have a strong feeling the results will be much different.

So think what you want. I can see your side. But I was there and saw what I saw, and I am not gonna 'lie' and tell you he was in good shape. I have been with Edison before many of his fights, and there is no doubt he was not himself the day and hours before the fight. Shit, just look as his walk to the ring and compare it to any other of his fights. He looked like he was walking to a funeral and had no excitement in him. Every other walk out he is taunting the crowd and has his hands raised high.....

I must of had 10 phone calls on my cell before the first bell rang with friends of mine watching the fight on TV asking what was wrong with him.....

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No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.
I believe Allan Green was not himself the night Miranda whipped his a** so I am very open minded.
Would have Kelly beaten Miranda that night regardless? Most of you think so, and that is a fair call. I dont know, but would love to find out by a rematch.

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No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.

Sorry but i don't like petty excuses i thought you was better than that Pantera. Now Miranda had a fever ?? come off it he looked fine to me its just Pavlik was too strong and Miranda didn't know what to do fighting on the back foot, because he had never been in that situation before. If Miranda would of won you wouldn't be saying *Miranda had fever, weight problems* You just have to accept Miranda was beaten fair and square no excuses. One of my favorite fighters lost awhile ago aka Marco Antonio Barrera. And i didn't make any excuses and i gave Pacquiao his props and i moved on. Miranda does not deserve a rematch after getting beaten that badly, and plus do you really think Miranda would want a rematch ??

Plus i didn't hear you making all these excuses before the fight. When you was 100 percent convinced Miranda would destroy Pavlik.

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I was in Memphis the days before the fight and wasnt making any posts. What I say our facts. Miranda had a fever all day before the fight. He hardly even ate after the weigh in (usually he had a pretty healthy appetite).

Listen, you dont have to believe me, and even if you do, you may not think it had an affect on him.
I realize this is boxing and there are no excuses, you get your ass beat, well, it is what it is.

But down the road if Edison proves himseld at 168lbs and grabs a belt on the way, you bet your ass there will be a rematch and I have a strong feeling the results will be much different.

So think what you want. I can see your side. But I was there and saw what I saw, and I am not gonna 'lie' and tell you he was in good shape. I have been with Edison before many of his fights, and there is no doubt he was not himself the day and hours before the fight. Shit, just look as his walk to the ring and compare it to any other of his fights. He looked like he was walking to a funeral and had no excitement in him. Every other walk out he is taunting the crowd and has his hands raised high.....

I must of had 10 phone calls on my cell before the first bell rang with friends of mine watching the fight on TV asking what was wrong with him.....

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Maybe Miranda just knew he was going to get his ass kicked. The fact that Miranda has never really even pushed for a rematch pretty much says it all. Miranda got knocked the fuck out fair and square.

It doesn't really matter now anyways, as like Pantera said, it is what it is. And Miranda lost the fight, and may have lost it anyways, sick or not. Why? Because he seriously underestimated Pavlik, and healthy or not, he would have been put off his game plan regardless after seeing that Pavlik is no joke. Even Pantera will admit Pavlik is no joke, and those 2 guys have as much heart as anyone in the game today.

So? Now we get to look forward to a future rematch, as I can't see how these 2 won't meet again. Miranda won't underestimate Pavlik, and Pav will probably be stronger at a higher weight, so we will be in for a classic fight. It'll be decided by one or the other not getting up fast enough ;D I love both guys, and can't wait. If anything, that loss was good for Miranda, and taught him to never judge a book by its cover ;)

Miranda will be a champ he will grab a ABC belt this is how i see him vesre the top guys at SMW

Kessler vs Miranda - Kessler wins by a huge point decsion or he stops Miranda

Bute vs Miranda - Boxes him to a very tough decsion and it is competive

Forch vs Miranda - Miranda knocks him out in the later rounds i think

Mundine vs Miranda - I favor Mundine in s very close fight he is a good boxer when focased

Bika vs Miranda - I do not think many will agree not sure but i think Bika can take Miranda power and come back and win a ud or late stoppage

Miranda is a good fighter but he is jumping up in weight in one of the strongest divsion so he is going to have a tough time.

Miranda is jumping up in weight, but he will still be one of the larger SMW fighters. There has been talks of him even fighting at Light Heavyweight if the right fight comes about (I have heard he could replace Lacy to fight Tarver if Lacy wont take the fight). I think 168bs is a good weight for him now. He will not be overpowered at this weight by anyone. Not having to kill himself to make weight should help him keep his power or even be stronger.

We will learn a decent amount about his strength against Banks. If it goes the distance I will be disappointed and agree he will have trouble at this weight. If he blows him out early I gotta believe his power will be tough for anyone to handle at this new weight class.

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i'll say this he does have the potential to be.

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I can't argue with that. He'll put most fighters to sleep quick if they're not carefull. I thought he pooped Pavlik good with some big right hands. Pavlik showed some serious beard in that one.

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No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.
I believe Allan Green was not himself the night Miranda whipped his a** so I am very open minded.
Would have Kelly beaten Miranda that night regardless? Most of you think so, and that is a fair call. I dont know, but would love to find out by a rematch.

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No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.

Sorry but i don't like petty excuses i thought you was better than that Pantera. Now Miranda had a fever ?? come off it he looked fine to me its just Pavlik was too strong and Miranda didn't know what to do fighting on the back foot, because he had never been in that situation before. If Miranda would of won you wouldn't be saying *Miranda had fever, weight problems* You just have to accept Miranda was beaten fair and square no excuses. One of my favorite fighters lost awhile ago aka Marco Antonio Barrera. And i didn't make any excuses and i gave Pacquiao his props and i moved on. Miranda does not deserve a rematch after getting beaten that badly, and plus do you really think Miranda would want a rematch ??

Plus i didn't hear you making all these excuses before the fight. When you was 100 percent convinced Miranda would destroy Pavlik.

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I was in Memphis the days before the fight and wasnt making any posts. What I say our facts. Miranda had a fever all day before the fight. He hardly even ate after the weigh in (usually he had a pretty healthy appetite).

Listen, you dont have to believe me, and even if you do, you may not think it had an affect on him.
I realize this is boxing and there are no excuses, you get your ass beat, well, it is what it is.

But down the road if Edison proves himseld at 168lbs and grabs a belt on the way, you bet your ass there will be a rematch and I have a strong feeling the results will be much different.

So think what you want. I can see your side. But I was there and saw what I saw, and I am not gonna 'lie' and tell you he was in good shape. I have been with Edison before many of his fights, and there is no doubt he was not himself the day and hours before the fight. Shit, just look as his walk to the ring and compare it to any other of his fights. He looked like he was walking to a funeral and had no excitement in him. Every other walk out he is taunting the crowd and has his hands raised high.....

I must of had 10 phone calls on my cell before the first bell rang with friends of mine watching the fight on TV asking what was wrong with him.....

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Maybe Miranda just knew he was going to get his ass kicked. The fact that Miranda has never really even pushed for a rematch pretty much says it all. Miranda got knocked the fuck out fair and square.

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VD, always the bastard...
I doubt Miranda is scared bro. He's a bad ass. Like Mayorga.

He has potential to be a great champion, but hes always having these bad setbacks. I hope he gets a big named fight this year and gets a title shot near the end. I think any fight to be made with the big names at 168 and miranda will be interesting.

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No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.
I believe Allan Green was not himself the night Miranda whipped his a** so I am very open minded.
Would have Kelly beaten Miranda that night regardless? Most of you think so, and that is a fair call. I dont know, but would love to find out by a rematch.

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No doubt the weight problem/fever was a HUGE advantag for Kelly.

Sorry but i don't like petty excuses i thought you was better than that Pantera. Now Miranda had a fever ?? come off it he looked fine to me its just Pavlik was too strong and Miranda didn't know what to do fighting on the back foot, because he had never been in that situation before. If Miranda would of won you wouldn't be saying *Miranda had fever, weight problems* You just have to accept Miranda was beaten fair and square no excuses. One of my favorite fighters lost awhile ago aka Marco Antonio Barrera. And i didn't make any excuses and i gave Pacquiao his props and i moved on. Miranda does not deserve a rematch after getting beaten that badly, and plus do you really think Miranda would want a rematch ??

Plus i didn't hear you making all these excuses before the fight. When you was 100 percent convinced Miranda would destroy Pavlik.

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I was in Memphis the days before the fight and wasnt making any posts. What I say our facts. Miranda had a fever all day before the fight. He hardly even ate after the weigh in (usually he had a pretty healthy appetite).

Listen, you dont have to believe me, and even if you do, you may not think it had an affect on him.
I realize this is boxing and there are no excuses, you get your a** beat, well, it is what it is.

But down the road if Edison proves himseld at 168lbs and grabs a belt on the way, you bet your a** there will be a rematch and I have a strong feeling the results will be much different.

So think what you want. I can see your side. But I was there and saw what I saw, and I am not gonna 'lie' and tell you he was in good shape. I have been with Edison before many of his fights, and there is no doubt he was not himself the day and hours before the fight. S***, just look as his walk to the ring and compare it to any other of his fights. He looked like he was walking to a funeral and had no excitement in him. Every other walk out he is taunting the crowd and has his hands raised high.....

I must of had 10 phone calls on my cell before the first bell rang with friends of mine watching the fight on TV asking what was wrong with him.....

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Maybe Miranda just knew he was going to get his a** kicked. The fact that Miranda has never really even pushed for a rematch pretty much says it all. Miranda got knocked the F*** out fair and square.

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As eliquant as ever VD , but spot on

I've been meaning to comment on this thread but just tonight about 3 hrs. ago I was watching a handful of Miranda fights and he's got loads of heart and some tools there in his skills. I'm not sure tho if at this stage in his career a trainer can teach him and make him adjust his wide punches and make them sharper and more straight.

I can def. see him giving any of the top Super Middles a damn! good fight and if push comes to shove I can def. see him beating 1 or 2 of the top names on a good nights performance.

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I've been meaning to comment on this thread but just tonight about 3 hrs. ago I was watching a handful of Miranda fights and he's got loads of heart and some tools there in his skills. I'm not sure tho if at this stage in his career a trainer can teach him and make him adjust his wide punches and make them sharper and more straight.

I can def. see him giving any of the top Super Middles a damn! good fight and if push comes to shove I can def. see him beating 1 or 2 of the top names on a good nights performance.

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Think he'll beat Pascal then?

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I've been meaning to comment on this thread but just tonight about 3 hrs. ago I was watching a handful of Miranda fights and he's got loads of heart and some tools there in his skills. I'm not sure tho if at this stage in his career a trainer can teach him and make him adjust his wide punches and make them sharper and more straight.

I can def. see him giving any of the top Super Middles a damn! good fight and if push comes to shove I can def. see him beating 1 or 2 of the top names on a good nights performance.

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Think he'll beat Pascal then?

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I think if the Pascal fight comes off it will be something like the Green fight where it's about 2 or 3 rounds apart and some of the rounds are pretty even. If I had to choose I would favor Miranda by decision. Never been a fan on Pascal kids got some skills but I mean his best opponents Ikeke. Other then that theres nothing there on his resume. People also have to keep in mind Pascals injury prone hes already injured both of his hands a shoulder and an elbow someone like Miranda whos gonna make him bring it will make him shoot both hands off thus making it a higher risk for him to re-injure his hands.

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I've been meaning to comment on this thread but just tonight about 3 hrs. ago I was watching a handful of Miranda fights and he's got loads of heart and some tools there in his skills. I'm not sure tho if at this stage in his career a trainer can teach him and make him adjust his wide punches and make them sharper and more straight.

I can def. see him giving any of the top Super Middles a damn! good fight and if push comes to shove I can def. see him beating 1 or 2 of the top names on a good nights performance.

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Think he'll beat Pascal then?

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I think if the Pascal fight comes off it will be something like the Green fight where it's about 2 or 3 rounds apart and some of the rounds are pretty even. If I had to choose I would favor Miranda by decision. Never been a fan on Pascal kids got some skills but I mean his best opponents Ikeke. Other then that theres nothing there on his resume. People also have to keep in mind Pascals injury prone hes already injured both of his hands a shoulder and an elbow someone like Miranda whos gonna make him bring it will make him shoot both hands off thus making it a higher risk for him to re-injure his hands.

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I did not know bout all those injuries he's had. That could make a small differnce. We'll see how they both look next week. I like both fighters a lot. Miranda is the new Mayorga, but not as funny, and probably a little better boxer. And Pascal is the best Roy Jones Jr. imitator I've ever seen. Not even close to the original, but the Jones style seems to work for him. Which is amazing.

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I've been meaning to comment on this thread but just tonight about 3 hrs. ago I was watching a handful of Miranda fights and he's got loads of heart and some tools there in his skills. I'm not sure tho if at this stage in his career a trainer can teach him and make him adjust his wide punches and make them sharper and more straight.

I can def. see him giving any of the top Super Middles a damn! good fight and if push comes to shove I can def. see him beating 1 or 2 of the top names on a good nights performance.

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Think he'll beat Pascal then?

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I think if the Pascal fight comes off it will be something like the Green fight where it's about 2 or 3 rounds apart and some of the rounds are pretty even. If I had to choose I would favor Miranda by decision. Never been a fan on Pascal kids got some skills but I mean his best opponents Ikeke. Other then that theres nothing there on his resume. People also have to keep in mind Pascals injury prone hes already injured both of his hands a shoulder and an elbow someone like Miranda whos gonna make him bring it will make him shoot both hands off thus making it a higher risk for him to re-injure his hands.

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I did not know bout all those injuries he's had. That could make a small differnce. We'll see how they both look next week. I like both fighters a lot. Miranda is the new Mayorga, but not as funny, and probably a little better boxer. And Pascal is the best Roy Jones Jr. imitator I've ever seen. Not even close to the original, but the Jones style seems to work for him. Which is amazing.

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Hopefully they will both look great next week. It will be a good start to what could be built up as a huge fight. No doubt it will end up being for at least an elimintation bout. Maybe even a vacant title if Joe vacates.

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I've been meaning to comment on this thread but just tonight about 3 hrs. ago I was watching a handful of Miranda fights and he's got loads of heart and some tools there in his skills. I'm not sure tho if at this stage in his career a trainer can teach him and make him adjust his wide punches and make them sharper and more straight.

I can def. see him giving any of the top Super Middles a damn! good fight and if push comes to shove I can def. see him beating 1 or 2 of the top names on a good nights performance.

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Think he'll beat Pascal then?

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I think if the Pascal fight comes off it will be something like the Green fight where it's about 2 or 3 rounds apart and some of the rounds are pretty even. If I had to choose I would favor Miranda by decision. Never been a fan on Pascal kids got some skills but I mean his best opponents Ikeke. Other then that theres nothing there on his resume. People also have to keep in mind Pascals injury prone hes already injured both of his hands a shoulder and an elbow someone like Miranda whos gonna make him bring it will make him shoot both hands off thus making it a higher risk for him to re-injure his hands.

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I did not know bout all those injuries he's had. That could make a small differnce. We'll see how they both look next week. I like both fighters a lot. Miranda is the new Mayorga, but not as funny, and probably a little better boxer. And Pascal is the best Roy Jones Jr. imitator I've ever seen. Not even close to the original, but the Jones style seems to work for him. Which is amazing.

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Hopefully they will both look great next week. It will be a good start to what could be built up as a huge fight. No doubt it will end up being for at least an elimintation bout. Maybe even a vacant title if Joe vacates.

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Its a huge step up for Pascal either way.

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I've been meaning to comment on this thread but just tonight about 3 hrs. ago I was watching a handful of Miranda fights and he's got loads of heart and some tools there in his skills. I'm not sure tho if at this stage in his career a trainer can teach him and make him adjust his wide punches and make them sharper and more straight.

I can def. see him giving any of the top Super Middles a damn! good fight and if push comes to shove I can def. see him beating 1 or 2 of the top names on a good nights performance.

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Think he'll beat Pascal then?

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I think if the Pascal fight comes off it will be something like the Green fight where it's about 2 or 3 rounds apart and some of the rounds are pretty even. If I had to choose I would favor Miranda by decision. Never been a fan on Pascal kids got some skills but I mean his best opponents Ikeke. Other then that theres nothing there on his resume. People also have to keep in mind Pascals injury prone hes already injured both of his hands a shoulder and an elbow someone like Miranda whos gonna make him bring it will make him shoot both hands off thus making it a higher risk for him to re-injure his hands.

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I did not know bout all those injuries he's had. That could make a small differnce. We'll see how they both look next week. I like both fighters a lot. Miranda is the new Mayorga, but not as funny, and probably a little better boxer. And Pascal is the best Roy Jones Jr. imitator I've ever seen. Not even close to the original, but the Jones style seems to work for him. Which is amazing.

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Hopefully they will both look great next week. It will be a good start to what could be built up as a huge fight. No doubt it will end up being for at least an elimintation bout. Maybe even a vacant title if Joe vacates.

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Its a huge step up for Pascal either way.

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That's what they said about Pavlik before he fought Edison :cwm14:

I think Super Middle will suit Mirnda and he'll certainly pick up an alphabet strap.

It wont be as easy as you think mate. You seen how many good fighters there are at 168?

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Absolutley, a really exciting division at the moment. But I feel Miranda certainly has the power (and if he uses it the skills) to clench a strap for himself.

Will he be the unified champ? I certainly doubt it, but I do suspect he'll pick up one of the big four after Calzaghe vacates.

Well I hope he doesnt make habits of fighting people like David Banks. He needs to push himself and really get involved at the top. He will do well there and I hope he can get a title.

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Well I hope he doesnt make habits of fighting people like David Banks. He needs to push himself and really get involved at the top. He will do well there and I hope he can get a title.

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I think Banks is a good fight for him as it is his debut on live TV at 168lbs. Banks has never been stopped, so if Edison can KO him early, it will show the world Edison has his power at Super Middle.

After this he will have a big fight. At the very least it will be Jean Pascal, but there have been talks of a a few other big names. Either way he will be putting himself in position for a title fight before the end of this year.

Miranda's opposition for me won't determine whether or not he wins a world title.
What will decide it it the approach Miranda takes and how much of his potential he uses.

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And I think we will see what 'approach' he is taking in the Banks fight. He may not be the toughest of competition, but he is a decent boxer with a very good chin, so we should be able to see what 'skills' Miranda has been working on.

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Well I hope he doesnt make habits of fighting people like David Banks. He needs to push himself and really get involved at the top. He will do well there and I hope he can get a title.

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I think Banks is a good fight for him as it is his debut on live TV at 168lbs. Banks has never been stopped, so if Edison can KO him early, it will show the world Edison has his power at Super Middle.

After this he will have a big fight. At the very least it will be Jean Pascal, but there have been talks of a a few other big names. Either way he will be putting himself in position for a title fight before the end of this year.

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As a one off its not too bad, ive always had great respect for Miranda for always fighting the best fighters he can possibly get. I meant i hope he doesnt make a habit of fighting not so good fighters because he is a very promising fighter in the future.

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Miranda's opposition for me won't determine whether or not he wins a world title.
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And I think we will see what 'approach' he is taking in the Banks fight. He may not be the toughest of competition, but he is a decent boxer with a very good chin, so we should be able to see what 'skills' Miranda has been working on.

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Well as you've mentioned he's a decent boxer with a good chin. He should give Miranda a little test which will give him some much needed ring time and perhaps a confidence boost

8) Hi guys, im going tell you i see Miranda a World Champ., but he need more skills and time he have a good record ,but i seen him the last fight by Telefutura channel and realy need more skill to dominate his opponent, i think he going to progress now because he have in his corner Bonilla a Trainer , maybe with the time we could see Miranda doing something different, that is what i guess. 8) 8)

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8) Hi guys, im going tell you i see Miranda a World Champ., but he need more skills and time he have a good record ,but i seen him the last fight by Telefutura channel and realy need more skill to dominate his opponent, i think he going to progress now because he have in his corner Bonilla a Trainer , maybe with the time we could see Miranda doing something different, that is what i guess. 8) 8)

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:coolclick: Welcome to the forum!

Yes, Jose Bonilla is a great trainer. But at this point in Miranda's career, I dont know how much ANY trainer could really change him. I have seen some improvements with each fight, but if you look back at his first fight in the USA againt Sam Reese he looks similar to today.

Regardless, I think with his current skills, heart, determination and power he could beat anyone at 168lbs if he puts his mind to it. After the loss to Pavlik, I think he will never look past an opponent again.