Does anybody think Hopkins can beat Calzaghe?

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Its not like Joes exactly a spring chicken at 35

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He is more fresher than Hopkins is.

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Not really,and hes certainly not as good tactically as Hopkins

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Are you kidding me? Not as good tactically? If being dirty is a tactic, then Bhop is in a league of his own but otherwise, there is no comparison as far as tactical skill goes. I mean that in Joes favor.

Joe is a supreme athlete with great speed, skill, chin and determination. You saw against Kesler his fighting spirit as well when he got hit clean and came right back at him.

I'm not even a huge fan of Joe but I think he is the only fighter that I can't see anyone in around his weight beating him. Too bad we discovered him so late in America. Otherwise, he would have been p4p #1 and certainly a consideration for my favorite fighter.

He has really impressed me and I have really grown to like the guy as a fighter.

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Its not like Joes exactly a spring chicken at 35

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He is more fresher than Hopkins is.

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Not really,and hes certainly not as good tactically as Hopkins

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Umm yes really.

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Its not like Joes exactly a spring chicken at 35

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He is more fresher than Hopkins is.

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Not really,and hes certainly not as good tactically as Hopkins

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Are you kidding me? Not as good tactically? If being dirty is a tactic, then Bhop is in a league of his own but otherwise, there is no comparison as far as tactical skill goes. I mean that in Joes favor.

Joe is a supreme athlete with great speed, skill, chin and determination. You saw against Kesler his fighting spirit as well when he got hit clean and came right back at him.

I'm not even a huge fan of Joe but I think he is the only fighter that I can't see anyone in around his weight beating him. Too bad we discovered him so late in America. Otherwise, he would have been p4p #1 and certainly a consideration for my favorite fighter.

He has really impressed me and I have really grown to like the guy as a fighter.

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Oh stop it with the dirty crap,its old,its tired and it hasnt been true for years.His last two fights that went really dirty were Echols(who was dirtier by far) and Holmes(though I cant see how you can blaim Hopkins for being dirty when Holmes got nipple rash from his trunks)

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Its not like Joes exactly a spring chicken at 35

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He is more fresher than Hopkins is.

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Not really,and hes certainly not as good tactically as Hopkins

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Umm yes really.

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Ummmmmm no not really,I can slap like a girl for 12 rounds too,and Id win if it was my own turf

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Its not like Joes exactly a spring chicken at 35

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He is more fresher than Hopkins is.

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Not really,and hes certainly not as good tactically as Hopkins

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Umm yes really.

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Ummmmmm no not really,I can slap like a girl for 12 rounds too,and Id win if it was my own turf

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Stop acting foolish Calzaghe has beaten every single opponent that needed beating at Super Middleweight, Calzaghe is much more fresher than Hopkins, he is quicker, has more work rate, more stamina, need i go on ?? if you can't see that then is something badly wrong.

Calzaghe used to be a hard puncher early in his career, until last few years when he had bad hand injuries.

This is boxing of course Hopkins can win with the correct gameplan. If he can find a way to slow Joe and frustrate him he is halfway there. I'm going with a UD win for Joe though.

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Its not like Joes exactly a spring chicken at 35

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He is more fresher than Hopkins is.

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Not really,and hes certainly not as good tactically as Hopkins

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Are you kidding me? Not as good tactically? If being dirty is a tactic, then Bhop is in a league of his own but otherwise, there is no comparison as far as tactical skill goes. I mean that in Joes favor.

Joe is a supreme athlete with great speed, skill, chin and determination. You saw against Kesler his fighting spirit as well when he got hit clean and came right back at him.

I'm not even a huge fan of Joe but I think he is the only fighter that I can't see anyone in around his weight beating him. Too bad we discovered him so late in America. Otherwise, he would have been p4p #1 and certainly a consideration for my favorite fighter.

He has really impressed me and I have really grown to like the guy as a fighter.

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Oh stop it with the dirty crap,its old,its tired and it hasnt been true for years.His last two fights that went really dirty were Echols(who was dirtier by far) and Holmes(though I cant see how you can blaim Hopkins for being dirty when Holmes got nipple rash from his trunks)

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Well I guess you're blinded by your affection for your fighter so I won't go any further with you on this. What I will do however is challenge you to make a sig or cc bet or whatever if hopkins ever stops playing games and takes the fight.

Hopkins was suppose to lose against Trinidad, Tarver and Wright. Now again he's suppose to lose to Calzaghe. I don't see it happening.

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Originally Posted by BHB

What is there not to understand?

Monkey was making a fair point..

This Ske cat was talkking sense and bieng respectfull..So what it was stange he was using caps

But you guys was strait up rude and sarcastic to him..

You say how can bernard deal with what joe has but how can joe deal with what bernard has?

Joe is real good and if he can keep distance and shoot shots whether they go over the shoulder or hit the gloves i think he can score points.. But honestly i dont think there is any hope hopkins will let joe keep distance at the times he wants it..

I think Bernard knows hes got to keep far out of range or far to close in joes chest at the times in which he is doing his thing.. And thats an ugly fight..But thats bernard taking the decision

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lol clearly you didn't understand my last post :P

I was referring to Northa Pug misunderstanding Monkey's post about Hopkins not being supposed to beat Felix Trinidad and thinking that Monkey was saying Felix could knock Hopkins out ::**

As for Ske if you look at the posts above your own you'll see I gave him a coolclick and said it was wrong that people were having a go at him just because he supported BHop.

So in summation, 'what is there not to understand?'

In your case a lot ;D

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Hopkins was suppose to lose against Trinidad, Tarver and Wright. Now again he's suppose to lose to Calzaghe. I don't see it happening.

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That's good.

Calzaghe was suppose to lose to Manfredo, Bika and Kessler according your dumb-as-fuck asssssss.

Anybody who sees this as anything but a close fight is stupid. Calzaghe should and probably would win a UD on workrate alone, but anyone who says Joe C wins easy is deluded. Hopkins knows all the tricks and is old and crafty enough to make Joe look bad. If he has to start using elbows and headbutts to win he will.
Not even a prime Middleweight RJJ could destroy Hopkins, and Bernard is a far more complete fighter now. Joe C is great but he is not the fighter MW RJJ was.

Calzaghe would win a UD against Hopkins at this point in their careers, I would still like to see Joe Balls fight Kessler again in 2008 or Pavlik intsead of Hopkins.
Hopkins has all the tricks in the book but it won't be enough for a man in his mid forties to overcome Calzaghe.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Don't you love it when people can't even be bothered to read your posts properly or are incapable of understanding them :P

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Yup, his sarcasm went right over my head first read through. Stupid, incapable me.

Hmm. Now I wonder if I read this properly or if I am capable of understanding it if I did.

Better get it right the first time, every time, when Bilbo's on board. Humble apologies for my humanity.

But back to the topic ... I'd love to see Hopkins beat Calzaghe. I think he could. Not so sure he would. I think he could have beat Taylor, too, twice, but he didn't.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Hopkins was suppose to lose against Trinidad, Tarver and Wright. Now again he's suppose to lose to Calzaghe. I don't see it happening.

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That's good.

Calzaghe was suppose to lose to Manfredo, Bika and Kessler according your dumb-as-F*** asssssss.

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If anybody,and I mean anybody, bet on Manfredo get somebody to take over power of attorney for them, because they are obviously no longer competent to manage their own finances and need protection from the world,and themselves

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I dont see it even being close. Calzaghe is right at the zenith of all he can be. Hopkins gets dominated and cruelly.

Will be a final paycheck for Hopkins, I suppose.

A strange way for him to go out, Ive always liked Hopkins a lot. He just cannot hang with this Calzaghe though. Too busy and with the brains to make it work when it counts.

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The only thing Hopkins can do is to try and off set Calzaghe's rhythm with clinches, and dirty fighting. The only problem is that Hopkins is nowhere near active enough to keep up with someone like Calzaghe. Plus Calzaghe punches from all different angles, it will be a rough night for Calzaghe, but i don't see how Hopkins can win to be honest.

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Hopkins: Calzaghe at the start of this decade would have been awesome and more of a pick 'em. Now its just Calzaghe all the way. I will still be a little bit surprised if Hopkins actually goes through with this. He usually picks his opponents so carefully.

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Hopkins last 4 fights have been Taylor twice, Tarver, and then Winky. How were these opponents so carefully picked.. I don't remember anyone before the fights shouting mismatch.. It's dumb. What's even dumber is the fact that if Hopkins did go through with this Calzaghe fight at his age, and actually managed to win, people would go on about how Calzaghe was another carefully chosen opponent, for whatever reason they want to throw out there.. Why was Winky carefully chosen, because he had to move up to a weight he'd never fought at?? Wouldn't Calzaghe ??? How bout Taylor, when Hopkins fought him... THe carefully picked undefeated olympian with KO power and a great jab 15+ years younger than Hopkins? Or Tarver... It's easy to say whatever you like about him now, but when Hopkins announced the fight noone gave him a chance, he was moving up 15 lbs in weight to fight the linear, undisputed champ who dethroned Roy Jones jr.. Sure Tarver didn't look great in the Johnson fights, but Calzaghe's had less than impressive outings as well. Just recently against Bika, he hardly looked like a fighter who would "easily dominate" Hopkins. Hell if that was his last fight instead of Mikkel people on this forum would probably have it as a pick em fight. It's not as though since he beat Kessler he'll just steamroll anyone else he likes from now on.. He's not getting younger, and he's never fought at light heavy. Every fighter has to fall off at some point. Granted Hopkins day is likely to come sooner than Joe's, and for the record I would put Calzaghe as a wide favourite, but nothings a given, especially when your talking about Hopkins. It's dumb how people are just giving him no chance, and no credit.

You dont?
Everybody was
Tarver was too big
Winky was too skilled
Taylor was too young and fast
Hopkins wasnt the fave in any of those fights,the Vegas money was Hopkins to lose in every one of those fights

Does anyone think he cant? You dont get top 5 p4p on reputation. Its too difficult to predict for me. I have it almost even money right now but Hopkins maybe with a 5% lead I'd have it 55 to 45 just because I think Hopkins has more tricks up his sleeve. Joe's no slouch though, and if the fight turns out to be exciting it'll be his doing.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

IMO Joe wins this fight easy.

Even in Hopkins prime Calzaghe would have a very good chance at beating him.

The best way to beat a counter puncher is to throw puches in 2 or 3s.But Calzaghe throws them in 5 and 6s.

Hopkins has no chance.


Dont be suprised if Hopkins backs out of this fight last minute.

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Yeah, I think he has a damn good chance. Hopkins record vs. Southpaws is pretty damn good. And no matter what Joe thinks he's gonna do to make Hopkins fight at a fast pace, Hopkins will fight at HOPKINS' pace.

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Originally Posted by BHB

Sure calzaghe is great but even the guys who know how great joey is but talk boxing all day every day and know theyr stuff have been caught up in the hype

.. Calzaghe wins easy?

Nobody beats hopkins easy

Joe couldnt have a harder fight if he matched prime for prime against so many people or waited ten years past his prime for the next big superstar..

And about the 5 6 7 punches.. You tell me who ever hit bernard hopkins with more then 2 or 3 punches at the most!?

Exactly.. And the thread is actually shocking me.. Lol.. No diss to joe hes great but the thread should be does anybody think that Joey C can beat bernard..

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If you botherd to actually read what I wrote you will see that I said Calzaghe throws 5,6,7 punches in a row.

I did not say he would land all the punches,but it would prevent Hopkins from counter punching very often which is all he does these days.

If Hopkins cant counter punch,then he does not have much to offer offensively and he will go into his defence mode and lose a wide points decision.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Hopkins was suppose to lose against Trinidad, Tarver and Wright. Now again he's suppose to lose to Calzaghe. I don't see it happening.

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That's good.

Calzaghe was suppose to lose to Manfredo, Bika and Kessler according your dumb-as-F*** asssssss.

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If anybody,and I mean anybody, bet on Manfredo get somebody to take over power of attorney for them, because they are obviously no longer competent to manage their own finances and need protection from the world,and themselves

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Yes i agree nobody with an once of sence would have bet on Manfredo , i mean the guy has been arrested on two occasions for "impersonating a boxer "

I think passed opponents is meaningless at this point. It is obvious that both guys are highly skilled, well experienced champions. I don't like to make a pick on this one because I just have not seen that much of Calzaghe. He might be better than many of us give him credit for as some of his fans keep telling us.

Hopkins, though, is defenatelly on his last legs. I don't know how long he can keep this up but I'm sure it won't be for more than 1 or 2 fights. Though he beat Wright, that was a slow paced fight. Calzaghe might take Hopkins into a pace he has not been in for some time. Still, I expect this to be a tough fight for both.

to me it says alot that bika went on the contender the place where manfredo made his name, lacy and manfredo stank the place out in there fight............. these guys are 3 out of the last 4 fights joes had, it works out 2 tv stars and a limited lacy...... he turned down a fight with roy jones at wales saying there no market value and roys to old.................... but he fights bika and manfredo???????? hes done himself no fav's, like i've said before he doesn't deserve to have hopkins name on his record

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Originally Posted by miles

Bernards stature? Has Hopkins fought anyone on Joe's level. I really think not.

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You must be joking. His name was Roy Jones Jr. But he was actually above Joe's level. Granted, he also beat Hopkins.

Look, I am convinced that JC is a top 5 p4p fighter. He looked tremendous against Kessler. And, at this stage in Hopkins career, where he's content to throw 10 punches a round and doesn't KO anyone, I favor Joe on workrate alone. But I agree with the people on here who say it's absurd to predict an "easy" win for Joe, or Hopkins getting "dominated" (which, of course, is something that has never happened before). Even this old version of Hopkins is at least 3x as good as anyone Joe's ever fought. Basically, I agree with everything Bilbo already said.

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Bernards stature? Has Hopkins fought anyone on Joe's level. I really think not.

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You must be joking. His name was Roy Jones Jr. But he was actually above Joe's level. Granted, he also beat Hopkins.

Look, I am convinced that JC is a top 5 p4p fighter. He looked tremendous against Kessler. And, at this stage in Hopkins career, where he's content to throw 10 punches a round and doesn't KO anyone, I favor Joe on workrate alone. But I agree with the people on here who say it's absurd to predict an "easy" win for Joe, or Hopkins getting "dominated" (which, of course, is something that has never happened before). Even this old version of Hopkins is at least 3x as good as anyone Joe's ever fought. Basically, I agree with everything Bilbo already said.

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I really think if this fight does happen and as I said I have my doubts Calzaghe will win a wide points decision.It might be ugly at times coz of Hopkins tactics but style wise its a relative easy fight for Joe.

When was the last time Hopkins faced a boxer with a high work rate?

You could say Trinidad or ODLH but they were both fighters moving up in weight and that was a long time ago.

hopkins has a chance due to his skill and experience and cagey manner but joes to busy for him he'll throw to many to often and maybe even stop the old man late in the fight if hopkins runs out of gas and joe lands in high numbers............... im a big hopkins fan at the same time a joe disliker

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Originally Posted by porkypara

IMO Joe wins this fight easy.

Even in Hopkins prime Calzaghe would have a very good chance at beating him.

The best way to beat a counter puncher is to throw puches in 2 or 3s.But Calzaghe throws them in 5 and 6s.

Hopkins has no chance.

Dont be suprised if Hopkins backs out of this fight last minute.

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Hopkins has no chance?

Oh please. That's about gotdam ridiculous.

Joe hasn't fought anyone ANYONE remotely close to Hopkins level...& I am a massive fan of both fighters. Yes...Calzahge is fast. Yes he throws punches in bunches...but Hopkins has mastered the craft...& I mean mastered it.

Joe can be as fast as he wants & throw as much as he wants...but he'll have a hell of a lot harder time connecting on Bernard than any of the youngin's that he's bested over the last three or four years. If you can't look at it with an open mind & see two sides of the same coin...your'e just wasting breath.

Bernard is technically a better fighter & technically...he knows more tricks than Joe.

Joe is awkward & oddly enough a better fighter.

Being the better boxer is what's going to factor into this one.

While I do believe Bernard to be the better boxer...I still think that Calzaghe will most likely be the better fighter. I'd look to see him bully Bernard around more than he ever has been...but I don't see him stopping Hopkins...just outpointing him down the stretch.

Outclassing him...him not having a chance in hell of winning...ridiculous.

You can like Calzaghe & not give him the feminine tug...there's no shame in having an open mind.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

IMO Joe wins this fight easy.

Even in Hopkins prime Calzaghe would have a very good chance at beating him.

The best way to beat a counter puncher is to throw puches in 2 or 3s.But Calzaghe throws them in 5 and 6s.

Hopkins has no chance.

Dont be suprised if Hopkins backs out of this fight last minute.

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Hopkins has no chance?

Oh please. That's about gotdam ridiculous.

Joe hasn't fought anyone ANYONE remotely close to Hopkins level...& I am a massive fan of both fighters. Yes...Calzahge is fast. Yes he throws punches in bunches...but Hopkins has mastered the craft...& I mean mastered it.

Joe can be as fast as he wants & throw as much as he wants...but he'll have a hell of a lot harder time connecting on Bernard than any of the youngin's that he's bested over the last three or four years. If you can't look at it with an open mind & see two sides of the same coin...your'e just wasting breath.

Bernard is technically a better fighter & technically...he knows more tricks than Joe.

Joe is awkward & oddly enough a better fighter.

Being the better boxer is what's going to factor into this one.

While I do believe Bernard to be the better boxer...I still think that Calzaghe will most likely be the better fighter. I'd look to see him bully Bernard around more than he ever has been...but I don't see him stopping Hopkins...just outpointing him down the stretch.

Outclassing him...him not having a chance in hell of winning...ridiculous.

You can like Calzaghe & not give him the feminine tug...there's no shame in having an open mind.

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CC Wacko. Its bout time you stick up for old B-hop. Even if he is a racist piece of shit. ;D I still love him.

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IMO Joe wins this fight easy.

Even in Hopkins prime Calzaghe would have a very good chance at beating him.

The best way to beat a counter puncher is to throw puches in 2 or 3s.But Calzaghe throws them in 5 and 6s.

Hopkins has no chance.

Dont be suprised if Hopkins backs out of this fight last minute.

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Hopkins has no chance?

Oh please. That's about gotdam ridiculous.

Joe hasn't fought anyone ANYONE remotely close to Hopkins level...& I am a massive fan of both fighters. Yes...Calzahge is fast. Yes he throws punches in bunches...but Hopkins has mastered the craft...& I mean mastered it.

Joe can be as fast as he wants & throw as much as he wants...but he'll have a hell of a lot harder time connecting on Bernard than any of the youngin's that he's bested over the last three or four years. If you can't look at it with an open mind & see two sides of the same coin...your'e just wasting breath.

Bernard is technically a better fighter & technically...he knows more tricks than Joe.

Joe is awkward & oddly enough a better fighter.

Being the better boxer is what's going to factor into this one.

While I do believe Bernard to be the better boxer...I still think that Calzaghe will most likely be the better fighter. I'd look to see him bully Bernard around more than he ever has been...but I don't see him stopping Hopkins...just outpointing him down the stretch.

Outclassing him...him not having a chance in hell of winning...ridiculous.

You can like Calzaghe & not give him the feminine tug...there's no shame in having an open mind.

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CC Wacko. Its bout time you stick up for old B-hop. Even if he is a racist piece of S***. ;D I still love him.

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I've always taken up for the Nard...I'm just not a blind nut hugger.

There's a difference in being a "boxing fan" & "being a fan of boxing"...I consider myself both...but more of the later. That being said...more times...nine out of ten...being a "boxing fan" equates to being a bit of a "blind nut hugger". I have often fallen guilty of wearing one of all of those three quotable name tags from time to time & quite often I find myself loathing the wearer...that one being me...depending on witch fight's gracing the small screen.

In my later years of following the game I've become more likely to see both sides of the coin.

If you don't try to do that...you just end up being a blind follower & when your man get's beaten...it's the end of the world for you. Been there...done that.

In the end...I'd favor Hopkins more...if not for the fact that Joe's just so awkward & so accurate & so much faster. There'n lies the factors that bother me most.

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another story! Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

And somebody need to let Joe Calzaghe know that Jermain Taylor won't ever get credit for beating B-Hop once! let alone twice! The boys at HBO know the deal!!!

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before! You don't become a Legend in this sport without winning when the odds is stacked AGAINST you! Calzaghe can ONLY help B-Hop cement his legacy even more!
If Joe wins, he'll need about 3 more B-Hop caliber fighters on his resume to be REMEMBERED as a BOXING legend instead of a UK GREAT!

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Anybody who KNOWS the sport KNOWS Hopkins CAN beat Calzaghe! Wheter he WILL or not is another

And anybody who knows anything about the sport will know Hopkins hasn't looked great in his last few fights. His out put is so low i find it hard to believe he can beat punching machine like Calzaghe, throwing 1 punch at a time.

Hopkins is one of the most craftiest players in the game, he's a defensive specialist with GREAT counter-punching skills, and most of all HE'S BEEN BATTLED TESTED! Taking nothing from Joe, he's not considered the favorite in this fight for no reason! But give B-Hop a little more RESPECT for what he can accomplish in the ring! W's and L's count at the end of the day!

No one is taking anything away from Hopkins people are just being realistic, Hopkins is too old plus there is no way on this earth Hopkins is going to keep up with Calzaghe, so how will Hopkins win ?? he can't KO Calzaghe, he can't out work him, can't out box him, can he make it a rough tough night for Calzaghe ?? yes he can i don't think it will be easy but i really can't see how Hopkins can win.

Calzaghe is a GOOD boxer who can fight his a** off! But B-Hop has beaten them type before!

So Hopkins has beaten a lot of southpaw fighters, who can throw 1000 punches, plus land punches from all angles ??

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You guys not givin Bernard enough credit! Joe is a PROBLEM for Bernard! I never said Joe was not good enough! You guys are sayin Bernard is not GOOD enough to even make this a fight! Has Joe ever fought someone close to Bernard's stature?

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Bernards stature? Has Hopkins fought anyone on Joe's level. I really think not.

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Groupie lust at it's finest. As well as boxing stupidity. Hopkins as fought Roy Jones, Antonio Tarver and Felix Trinidad. Fighters who are better than Calzaghe

I think Hopkins can win. This is by no means an easy fight for Calzaghe!

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Originally Posted by miles

Bernards stature? Has Hopkins fought anyone on Joe's level. I really think not.

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You must be joking. His name was Roy Jones Jr. But he was actually above Joe's level. Granted, he also beat Hopkins.

Look, I am convinced that JC is a top 5 p4p fighter. He looked tremendous against Kessler. And, at this stage in Hopkins career, where he's content to throw 10 punches a round and doesn't KO anyone, I favor Joe on workrate alone. But I agree with the people on here who say it's absurd to predict an "easy" win for Joe, or Hopkins getting "dominated" (which, of course, is something that has never happened before). Even this old version of Hopkins is at least 3x as good as anyone Joe's ever fought. Basically, I agree with everything Bilbo already said.

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I really think if this fight does happen and as I said I have my doubts Calzaghe will win a wide points decision.It might be ugly at times coz of Hopkins tactics but style wise its a relative easy fight for Joe.

When was the last time Hopkins faced a boxer with a high work rate?

You could say Trinidad or ODLH but they were both fighters moving up in weight and that was a long time ago.

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Taylor doesnt particulary fight at a high pace yet he had enough volume to beat Hopkins twice back to back . Hopkins couldnt make the required adjustments and that was vs a guy who cant compare to Joe on any level .

I struggle to se Hopkins win this fight . Hes been beaten at the start middle and end of his career and now aged 42 he meets a supermiddle who throws over 1000 punches ina fight ?! B-Hop should stay at home and protect his rep . He aint winning vs Joe . No way !

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Originally Posted by porkypara

IMO Joe wins this fight easy.

Even in Hopkins prime Calzaghe would have a very good chance at beating him.

The best way to beat a counter puncher is to throw puches in 2 or 3s.But Calzaghe throws them in 5 and 6s.

Hopkins has no chance.

Dont be suprised if Hopkins backs out of this fight last minute.

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Hopkins has no chance?

Oh please. That's about gotdam ridiculous.

Joe hasn't fought anyone ANYONE remotely close to Hopkins level...& I am a massive fan of both fighters. Yes...Calzahge is fast. Yes he throws punches in bunches...but Hopkins has mastered the craft...& I mean mastered it.

Joe can be as fast as he wants & throw as much as he wants...but he'll have a hell of a lot harder time connecting on Bernard than any of the youngin's that he's bested over the last three or four years. If you can't look at it with an open mind & see two sides of the same coin...your'e just wasting breath.

Bernard is technically a better fighter & technically...he knows more tricks than Joe.

Joe is awkward & oddly enough a better fighter.

Being the better boxer is what's going to factor into this one.

While I do believe Bernard to be the better boxer...I still think that Calzaghe will most likely be the better fighter. I'd look to see him bully Bernard around more than he ever has been...but I don't see him stopping Hopkins...just outpointing him down the stretch.

Outclassing him...him not having a chance in hell of winning...ridiculous.

You can like Calzaghe & not give him the feminine tug...there's no shame in having an open mind.

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Like I have already said Calzaghe will win a wide point decision and it wont be that hard a fight for Joe.Styles make fights.

I will not uter another word on the subject til after the fight then we will see who is right and wrong. :-\

i just think joes workrate will be the deciding factor in this one. i think the styles are a big factor in this fight. I also dont think it makes any difference whether they fight in 2008 or ten years ago. joe wins

Joe Wins this easy. I hear people talking about B-hop being cagey,and knowing all the tricks.

Dont matter how many tricks you know if your 40+ taking REAL opposition..you will lose.

That Winky fight was such aload of boloxe B-Hop looked shit and Winky was well out of his own weight.