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Honestly, you don't even have a good base to build this stuff off mate.
You need a solid diet and understanding of how to gain muscle mass and lose fat. Different things and I don't get the impression that you understand either too well mate. You're trying to sprint before you can walk... let alone run :)
Lol, why did you even post this thread asking for advice man. Everyone has told you it's a bad idea and you don't know enough about this, or have a solid fundamental diet and training regime in order to start with. If you get your friend to come on here and tell me that taking Steroids in order to bulk up, without even taking a proper fucking CARB/PROTEIN SHAKE post workout(as I'm sure you don't), is a good idea, then I'll tell him he's a fukin idiot. I won't say the same to you, because you obviously just don't even pretend to know what your talking about. You tell us that your diet is shit, and you eat a lot of junk food... But you would rather take a steroid that could permanantly alter your natural testosterone as well as damage your brain, than start eating well?!? And the pathetic thing is that for you to even reap the benefits of taking something like this, at least in the long term... You would need to have a good diet beforehand in order to ensure that you metabolise everything properly. Really man, anyone who has a clue what they are talking about with this stuff, must be cringing as I am to read your responses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Yeah...that bout sums it up. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Honestly I was expecting some positive feedback on the subject, or middleground, not ALL negative feedback. But I thank you all and you have helped me out and warned me bout this shit. And you guys seem to know what you're talkin bout. You are all good boxing nerd friends.
Peace.
I can't believe what i'm hearing...You just answered your own question bro. That is why you don't have a six-pack!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
So you're using Trenabol to compensate for your lack of discipline? I promise you that will not work. Steroids aren't miracle drugs like people think. In fact you have to train and diet even HARDER when you're on them.
Good luck either way man.
That's what I'm trying to say! If you're diet/training aren't right to start off with then you're more than likely to just get: Fat/Spotty/moody
I refuse to get fat bro. My buddy is tellin me to eat all this shit all the time and not run so much. And I'm like fuck that, I'll up my calorie intake a little and eat the right things he's tellin me to eat, and continue takin the protein but I'm not gonna just be a fucking hog.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Also what do you mean by spotty? Like buff in some areas, fat in others?
It means you'll look just like hercules overnight. That's what steroids are for, my friend told me so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I bet ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I know it doesn't work that way. When people act like it does I've always thought they were idiots. Lots of hard work must be put in as well. And believe me I'm willing to put in the work.
I inquired a little about this product Hulk.
A gym colleague, (I wouldn't call him a friend) has been taking it for some time now, after elongated periods of creatine, protein and amino usage. He said the Trenabol, is producing gains that the "standard" stuff never did and to be honest he is looking huge. As a gym instructor, he's adamant that it's not a steroid, but he shyed a little when I stated it was banned in France etc.
Anyway, although he does have a few extra spots, there were no other side effects as such.
He seemed healthy (although neglecting cardio) and like I said, he has visible results.
Yes! CC. That's what I'm talkin bout! I've been hearin the same thing. Its nice to hear some good news finally.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I'm gettin frustrated though, the tren was supposed to come in da mail like yesterday, and I checked this mornin and its STILL not here. Fuckin A...
No worse feeling than waiting on something coming in the mail, I was that way with my everlast boots V. V Frustrating!!!!
I know man. I cannot wait to get my saggy man boobs, back acne, mood swings. I want them as soon as humanly possible!!! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
According to a news report yesterday that'd be normal, Obesity is rising rapidly among teens (therefore manboobs.) bad diet will result in acne and teens specialise in mood swings, soi itl just be like reliving your teens man!
Hulk you're a bitch.
Go F****** learn how to bulk, look at the S*** you are sayin.
'One of my best friends has taken it, and with eating a lot of protein and lifting like crazy has bulked up and gotten ripped in an amazingly short amount of time, like a couple months.'
Why are you lying to me? Firstly your friend didn't get ripped, he only bulked up, because you can't F****** cut and bulk at the same time, I can't F****** stress this enough, I've said it like a million times F*** me dead. Secondly 'and hes eatin alottt of protein'...you idiot, you dont just get big from protein you need complex carbohydrates, simple carbohydrates at the perfect times, multivitamins and essential fatty acids. Thirdly, u wanna put on 10-15 lbs, that wont happen unless you use roids alongside supplements and strict bulking, gym and no cardio.
You can put on 10-12 pounds in a year, or 7-8pounds of muscle in 3-4months if you eat strict and dont do any cardio, and do hard gym training.
Lastly..you're a pussy cause you're lazy, i hate lazy people, go F****** read bodybuilding.com or some reputable website, and learn how to bulk. Man, let me tell you somethin, when you take these roids, you're gonna get fat, also increase your chances of gettin cancer, you're gonna F*** up your testosterone levels for the future, and you're gonna get other fucked S*** in relation to having kids as well as many other things.
Anyway do what you want, but dont say i warned you..
I'm a fitness manager and they didn't teach us fuck all about supplements on those courses. So don't think 'as a fitness instructor' he knows what he's talking about because it's clear to me that he doesn't if he doesn't think it isn't a steroid.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Yo Outlaw chill..... ur screaming like someone like someone with roid rage bro!!
Took my first pill this mornin along with a well balanced meal. Thank you very much. Oh, and I'm not a bitch. There is still lots of testosterone in my body, for now. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw Immortal
Dude, he's absolutely right though bro.. You say you know it takes hard work alongside, and you are willing to put in that work... Yet you admit to eating shit alll your life.. Nutrition is probably something like 75% of a proper training regime in order to bulk or cut. If you are eating junk food along with taking this shit at 20, you are just going to look worse than ever.. Your being a fucking idiot man. Srry, but you asked for opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I don't think you realize how fat and disgusting I looked at age 13. So I doubt I'll look wrse than ever. I am changing my diet man. Trust me. Fruits and vegetables and stuff. And not snackin all da time. And workin hard while taking the tren xtreme. So I'll be good. I can sacrfice da junk food for 1 month at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
. Fruits and vegetables and stuff. And not snackin all da time. And workin hard while taking the tren xtreme. So I'll be good. I can sacrfice da junk food for 1 month at least.
HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
fruits?, you dont need fruits when you are bulking, and you can snack, if its healthy food. Bro you know what, I wont make fun anymore, look take a photo of your body now and post it up, and then take a photo after 1-2months so we can see the comparison, and if you make a huge change and you are big and toned LOL and watever, then i can either leave the forum or change my name to 'I am a douche' , whatever you want. Deal?
Outlaw, youre talking sense ;)
hahahaha thanks man, just remember this is saddoboxin not boxingscene forum
I honestly don't care if you fukin stay, leave, change your name or change your sex. I've never even seen you post on here till this thread. You wanted to see a pic of me, go to my myspace. Check it out. You can see what a Fat, lazy, outta shape, no muscle havin motherfucker I am:Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw Immortal
http://www.myspace.com/jarmstrong1987
How bout postin a pic of yourself now? I wanna see what kind of great physical speciman and all knowing wizard of bodybuilding I am dealing with here.
ay can yous see 'AUTO MESSAGE: SORRY THIS SITE NAME AND ANY CONTENT FROM IT IS BANNED FROM THIS FORUM PLEASE DELETE ' wtf....
'You can see what a Fat, lazy, outta shape, no muscle havin motherfucker I am:', why do you say that, i'm not a person who judges people on the way they are physically, because its pretty fucked if you do. I used to be underweight so I know the stigma of it. Anyway, my point is you should take logical initiative towards helpin yourself, and not piss me off with that roid shit. If you study nutrition and workout then why should i critisize you or make you look like an idiot on an internet forum. The only reason Im doin it is to educate you in order to not screw yourself even more man.
As for the post of my body, I dont really like doing that shit to randoms on the internet, especially on a public forum. But because I called you out first I would be a hypocrite not to do so equally, so in 4-6 weeks i'll post my body flex, and 4-6 weeks after that i'll post another shot, so i can show my bulk cycle and cut cycle.
Deal?
and by the way, dont take my whole stance on this topic as somethin personal, i just dont like seeing ignorance in people especially when you are at a phsyically critical stage in your life, age wise.
Did you read your first post to me? How could I NOT take that shit personally you fucker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw Immortal
And 4-6 weeks? Just post what you look like NOW. Thats what I did. Shit...
Anyway what did you think about my hot bod? ;D ;)
I'm readin up on Bodybuilding.com and looks like I'm doin some of the things I'm supposed to bulk up without gettin fat. Though obviously I still need to learn A LOT on the subject.
But I am:
taking Whey protein 3 times a day, and after I workout for sure
taking a multivitamin
NOT pigging out on junk food anymore
And of course working out hard and taking the tren 3 times a day.
Alright listen,
Im gonna teach you how to bulk, and i wont repeat myself, so take my advice as gold cause noone else will give you it so easy and simple, well and also read up just to learn some more stuff.
Anyway ok heres how it goes
*You only need a shake within 15minutes after a workout, with simple carbs (in other words sugar, the best thing to use is 30 grams of malto dextrin and 30grams of dextrose).
(You dont need protein shake 3 times a day, if you have tuna, chicken, beef etc.)
*You should have 5-6 meals a day, spaced out of 2-3 hours MAX, because ybour body can only process 50-60 grams of protein every 2 hours so dont go overboard.
*You need 1.5 grams of protein per pound of your body, per day, then divide that number on 6 (because you have 6 meals)
*Before you go sleep have a protein shake so your body isnt catabolic all night (in other words doesnt eat at your muslce), the best thing to do is have a protein shake with 2 caps of fish oil, or if u dont have that then use a table spoon of peanut butter
*Each meal you have lookin at your weight you should have around 35-40grams of complex carbs (e.g oats, pasta, bread, beans all that type of stuff), and also 35-40 grams of protein.
*No carbs before bed
*No sugars, that includes fruit, the only time you should take sugars is after workout like i said
*Also after the shake you take after your workout, have a meal of 40 grams protein and 40-50 grams carbs
*No cardio
*Low reps for arms, and chest 6-8, legs try and hit around 12 reps, back 10-12, abs 20 reps or you can do 8 reps with weights but im not too sure
*Also you have to learn how to have good form at the gym, you can learn that if you train with alot of the big boys there, such as ex body builders is the best way.
Lastly, i wont post my body cause ive lost alot of muscle mass this past month because ive been raisin money for charity you prick and havent had time for shit. Give me time to get my size back and i'll show you.
And you better say thank you for all this shit i just took the time to type up, becuase you dont find this stuff exactly anywhere
Thank You Sweetheart. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw Immortal
Hulk, are you looking to be a better boxer or to add muscle for the sake of bodybuilding? From the look of your pic on the myspace, I'd be more concerned with staying flexible and improving speed and skill. Unless you are plannning at fighting HW, being lean and lanky should serve you well and more muscle than you already have could work against you, especially if it costs you flexibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Calm yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
The man has qualified as a gym instructor and has been running a gym for just over a year now. While I realise that as a gym instructor he was never officially educated on supplkementation or indeed steroids would you not agree that there are other ways in which he would have gained knowledge on these supplements?
I mentioned he was a fitness instructor as I wanted to demonstrate that this man is a professsional in this area. He does have a knowledge in taking care of the body and the do's and dont's.
Therefore I felt he would be slightly more reliable a source than a random gym rat using supplements.
It is his opinion that the "supplement" Trenabol cannot be deemed a steroid. That is his view and opinion.
Yet you quote me saying "Don't you tell me..."
Firstly, I never addressed you. Subsequently I never dicatated anything to anyone, I merely brought forward a thread of information I had received from an actual user.
I never advocated the usage of Trenabol, however I did allow for each individual to make their own choice as it's their body.
I think we'd all do well to remeber that. It's Hulk's own choice. Many here have criticised and rambled on. What good is getting angry? Would it not be more effective to offer an opinion and try to educate himn as much as you can rather than forward a point insistingg you have a knowledge of the product, but never actually telling him about it?
Anyone remeber the days in schools where they used to say "drugs are bad don't touch them?" and all people could see was guys getting high and seemingly happy.???
That encouraged drug use.
Trenabol is a designer steroid.
From my own experience of gyms i can tell you that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to become a gym instructor. They definately don't learn about supplements, let alone steroids and prohormones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
I never claimed that gym instructor's were highly trained or that they were trained in supplements. I did however suggest that a person employed in a gym, working there every day, having had years of expierience of supplement use and have watched dozens of gym mates use both illegal and legal supplements would have a decent knowledge of these products.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
The majority of what I've learned didn't come from the pieces of paper I got at college - It came from personal research, speaking to people - trainers, training partners etc and my own experience working in gyms.
Plenty of the people I went to college with passed academically but the idea that they are training people etc is scary because despite being qualified a lot of them still don't have a clue.
Not that this changes my opinion on 'who's friend is right' etc... just playing devil's advocate... and reminding you all to keep it civil (you are... at the moment ;))
Thats the point I was trying to raise Adam.
Last Saturday I attended the IABA Boxing Coaching exam. Along with a club mate we were the youngest to sit the exam by far.
In the lead up to the exam we were given a 5 hour course and it became clear that age is not always equal to knowledge AND EXPIERIENCE.
nEARLY EVERYONE PASSED THE TESYT, BUT AT THE TOP OF THE CLASS, i COULDN'T HELP WONDER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE POOR KIDS TRAINED BY SOME OF THESE GUYS AS THEY DIDN'T NO THE BASICS OF STANCE DEFENCE ETC.
eXPIERIENCE IS KEY IN ANY FIELD
hahaha. Nah I'm not planning on fighting at heavyweight. Thats a good one though. Fukin once I get off the cycle of this stuff, I'm gonna cut back down to the 150-155 range. After I bulk up a bit and get stronger. I do not plan on staying at this weight. Also I have to force myself to keep doing my cardio for boxing and shadowboxing with my 1 lb weights to maintain my speed, rather than just get big and slow. That would screw me royally, I know. Kinda wish we had a speed bag at the MMA/boxing gym I go to, back when I used to just train at my boxing trainer's house, we had one, and with shadowboxing with the 1lb weights every day and usin da speed bag when I could during the week, it really improved my speed. Speed is essential that is for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Also quit attacking hitmandonny, that is not what this thread is for, it is for attacking ME! lol.
How goes it hulk?
Have you traded your ambitions of a super-macho bod for bikini modelling yet (:rolleyes:)
Okay boys I completed my cycle yesterday. I began at 155 lbs, or 157 tops, and am now 171, I gained a little bit lower belly fat, but otherwise I yolked up my shoulders, chest, deltoids and arms pretty good. So I gained bout 15 lbs of mostly muscle, and got stronger too.
Check out myspace, go to my photos if ya want, I'll reset my shit to "public" just for you guys.
I cheated taking this stuff, but I worked HARD, trust me, and ate better, and you can see my results.
Here, check it out folks:
MySpace.com - www.myspace.com/287262891
Umm,I really dont want to piss on your parade,but do you realise your totally lopsided?
:confused:
Immortal Outlaw came across as a bitch. He throws a hissy fit when it's a matter that doesn't even concern him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw Immortal
Wonder how he got through life and not learn that a good way to NOT offer advice is to start out by calling names like an immature little kid. I put him in the red with a negative rep.
Good gains Hulk. I really don't know why there was so much negativity about this??? I have never done pro-hormones or steriods, but I have some friends who are very serious about lifting and have. Just remember, moderation. You are not going to ruin your life by taking a pro hormone, contrary to popular belief by many who posted here.
It is good you have that herb to help keep your emotions in check ;) Also, you are undeniably more defined and muscular. Although taking substances like this obviously isn't healthy, it's not like it's the end of the world like a lot of these posts suggested. Have some positive rep.
Hulk, check this before and after:
2 months with only diet+supplements(vitamins+whey, fish oils) and one bottle of nitrix. I had pretty insane results:
By the way, I am no longer trying to go to 200. I spend way too much eating and in the gym to get where I got to now, there is no way I can continue to live like this!
The sick thing is I cant count the times I lifted shoulders on one hand during the past 2 months.