Oscar Floyd 2 in negotiations:what a crock of sh!t

Your full of shit... how is Oscar scared of anyone? Just going up to 160 to face Hopkins ,and risking getting humiliated by Floyd which he wasn't, but still Oscar has more balls than anyone in the last 15 years. To say that Oscar wouldn't go anywhere near Quintana is crap, or Paul Williams or Margarito. Paul is the only one who has a chance in beating Oscar, and IMO if Oscar can get down to 147 with relative ease the only person there who beats him is Mayweather. Cotto is really good, but I see Oscar getting the better of him, Mosley, Oscar would beat again just like the second time they fought.

floyd is p4p number 1, why don't he clean out his division. if theres justice in boxing, floyd should be labled as p4p greedy motherfxxxxxx and be strip off the top ten p4p. i will actually pick him over everyone at welterweight but he is only cashing in to fight either smaller hatton or bigger oscar.

Wtf, what if we get a floyd hatton rematch after this!!!!????????

My random thoughts on this:

-If Oscar and Floyd fight again, Floyd will be further and further away from anyone recognizing him as one of the best fighters in the history of boxing.

-Oscar is bad for boxing when he fights. What gives him the right to keep picking his fights? Who has he beaten lately? He has too much control because he's a promoter.

-While every boxer is fighting the best of the best, Floyd is lagging behind.

-Even if they aren't, it definitely seems like Oscar and Floyd are afraid to fight Cotto.

I'm a Floyd fan and I'm starting to think he won't fight anyone dangerous anymore. If he's looking to leave a great legacy behind, fighting Hatton and De La Hoya and saying they were his two greatest victories are not the way to do that...

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I wish this fight wouldn't happen, the 1st wasn't exactly a thriller.
There are better fights out there for Floyd but I suppose its all down to the mighty dollar.

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I agree . I think wed all rather see Floyd - Cotto instead . It makes more sense .
If Oscar ever had a chance of beating Floyd it was last time they met . Now I cant see him doing much better but you never know he just may get the decision this time.

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I rather see the rematch between Oscar and Floyd than a one-sided victory against Cotto. Remember that Oscar vs Floyd was a SPLIT desicion that could have gone either way. When people say that Oscar got completely humiliated and destroyed I think people watched a totally different fight. Oscar was far from that. Maybe we didn't see them in the middle of the ring exchanging punches but both were smart and cautious. Maybe that is what people didn't like.

Floyd and Miguel haven't fought yet and still you think it will be onesided a la Tito - Winky?

Is that you OSCAR?

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Floyd and Miguel haven't fought yet and still you think it will be one-sided a la Tito - Winky?

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What makes you think Miguel can win really? Look at his speed and robotic style of fighting. Floyd will be landing flash punches from all angles in the book and not getting hit with more than 2 punches since he easily slides away or gets on his bicycle. As much as I really wish someone out there, including Miguel, could beat him convincingly, I just don't see Miguel being the one to do that.

So yeah, I rather see Oscar vs Floyd II which was far from being a complete dominance from both sides. There's a reason why it went SPLIT even though many experts and fans believed Oscar won it.

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Originally Posted by Saddo

for me oscar is a promoter more than a fighter these days and call my a sinic but when he was rocking floyds head back with the jab early in there last fight the promoter in him thought rematch and he never throw it again....

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That's a pretty strong accusation.

I almost fell asleep during the first "World Awaits"!

I had been drinking since very early that day. But I have managed to fight off fatigue on plenty of other benders so I think it was the fight that put me to sleep.

I also can't comprehend how ANYONE could think that De La Hoya won the first fight. Or that the fight was even close. Floyd won decisively, there is absolutly no need for a rematch. I don't even think general sports fans in would find interest in a rematch. I watched with some people who were very casual boxing fans and after me hyping the fight for months they wondered "that's it?" :(

It was not even a strategic fight. It was floyd running and oscar failing miserably at doing anything effective. Oscar came in so nervous, it was obvious he was going to gas out.

And it was obvious floyd did not come to fight, but he just came to win. And he can win against DLH anytime anywhere fighting the same method he won with in the first fight.

This is not a fan-friendly fight nor is it a fight that progresses the sport in any way. If anything this fight hurts the sport in every aspect except for Oscar's and Floyd's wallets.

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Originally Posted by Saddo

for me oscar is a promoter more than a fighter these days and call my a sinic but when he was rocking floyds head back with the jab early in there last fight the promoter in him thought rematch and he never throw it again....

make no mistake he will make sure he wins this one 100%... to cash in on the rubber match. ::**

its all about the $$$$$$$$$ and we will all pay to see it regardless of the claims we wont ;)

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Sorry Saddo but thats way off the mark, Mayweather was countering Oscar's jab with right hands and even rocked him a few times. Oscar was never winning the fight even after 9 rounds i still had Mayweather ahead, ODLH would throw flashy combos but most of them were missing. Throughout the fight Mayweather was landing the more quality punches, and if you watch Oscar's flurries in slow motion you can actually see how ineffective they were. Oscar stopped using the jab because he was getting countered plus he run out of gas, when you miss with that many punches as Oscar did you tire more quickly. When i first stepped into the ring for my first sparring match when i was very inexperienced. I was throwing a lot of punches but missing with most of them causing me to run out of steam very quickly. Thats common in boxing Saddo all you have to do is look at the percentage ODLH landed at it was only 21 percent that should tell you something.

ODLH can only do worse in a rematch im a Mayweather fan but this doesn't really appeal to me at all. I will watch it because i am Mayweather fan plus i love boxing, but it won't be one that interests me.

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Originally Posted by Puya

There goes boxing again

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Yeah; what he I said!!!

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Originally Posted by Saddo

for me oscar is a promoter more than a fighter these days and call my a sinic but when he was rocking floyds head back with the jab early in there last fight the promoter in him thought rematch and he never throw it again....

make no mistake he will make sure he wins this one 100%... to cash in on the rubber match. ::**

its all about the $$$$$$$$$ and we will all pay to see it regardless of the claims we wont ;)

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Sorry Saddo but thats way off the mark, Mayweather was countering Oscar's jab with right hands and even rocked him a few times. Oscar was never winning the fight even after 9 rounds i still had Mayweather ahead, ODLH would throw flashy combos but most of them were missing. Throughout the fight Mayweather was landing the more quality punches, and if you watch Oscar's flurries in slow motion you can actually see how ineffective they were. Oscar stopped using the jab because he was getting countered plus he run out of gas, when you miss with that many punches as Oscar did you tire more quickly. When i first stepped into the ring for my first sparring match when i was very inexperienced. I was throwing a lot of punches but missing with most of them causing me to run out of steam very quickly. Thats common in boxing Saddo all you have to do is look at the percentage ODLH landed at it was only 21 percent that should tell you something.

ODLH can only do worse in a rematch im a Mayweather fan but this doesn't really appeal to me at all. I will watch it because i am Mayweather fan plus i love boxing, but it won't be one that interests me.

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you see in your own words you just confirmed it more... he ran out of gas even more reason to throw the jab the shot that takes the least energy.

it is also the hardest punch to counter because it is the shortest distance between two points.... and was giving him success early doors so on your logic i'm supprised he threw any shots after that because he was getting hit alot more often when he didnt use it ;)

i'm also not to supprised you also ran out of steam quickly if you used the same gameplan and oscar and stopped throwing it when you were fucked ;)

but to steal a quote from your post "That is common in boxing Ice youngsters forgetting the basics"

if this isnt just a grand plan to get Cotto in the ring you will most definatly see Mayweather first loss... bet your life on it ;)

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Originally Posted by Saddo

for me oscar is a promoter more than a fighter these days and call my a sinic but when he was rocking floyds head back with the jab early in there last fight the promoter in him thought rematch and he never throw it again....

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That's a pretty strong accusation.

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its an opinion not a fact... been doing this far to long to post a libel ;)

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Originally Posted by Saddo

for me oscar is a promoter more than a fighter these days and call my a sinic but when he was rocking floyds head back with the jab early in there last fight the promoter in him thought rematch and he never throw it again....

make no mistake he will make sure he wins this one 100%... to cash in on the rubber match. ::**

its all about the $$$$$$$$$ and we will all pay to see it regardless of the claims we wont ;)

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Sorry Saddo but thats way off the mark, Mayweather was countering Oscar's jab with right hands and even rocked him a few times. Oscar was never winning the fight even after 9 rounds i still had Mayweather ahead, ODLH would throw flashy combos but most of them were missing. Throughout the fight Mayweather was landing the more quality punches, and if you watch Oscar's flurries in slow motion you can actually see how ineffective they were. Oscar stopped using the jab because he was getting countered plus he run out of gas, when you miss with that many punches as Oscar did you tire more quickly. When i first stepped into the ring for my first sparring match when i was very inexperienced. I was throwing a lot of punches but missing with most of them causing me to run out of steam very quickly. Thats common in boxing Saddo all you have to do is look at the percentage ODLH landed at it was only 21 percent that should tell you something.

ODLH can only do worse in a rematch im a Mayweather fan but this doesn't really appeal to me at all. I will watch it because i am Mayweather fan plus i love boxing, but it won't be one that interests me.

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you see in your own words you just confirmed it more... he ran out of gas even more reason to throw the jab the shot that takes the least energy.

it is also the hardest punch to counter because it is the shortest distance between two points.... and was giving him success early doors so on your logic i'm supprised he threw any shots after that because he was getting hit alot more often when he didnt use it ;)

i'm also not to supprised you also ran out of steam quickly if you used the same gameplan and oscar and stopped throwing it when you were fucked ;)

but to steal a quote from your post "That is common in boxing Ice youngsters forgetting the basics"

if this isnt just a grand plan to get Cotto in the ring you will most definatly see Mayweather first loss... bet your life on it ;)

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Originally Posted by Saddo

for me oscar is a promoter more than a fighter these days and call my a sinic but when he was rocking floyds head back with the jab early in there last fight the promoter in him thought rematch and he never throw it again....

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That's a pretty strong accusation.

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its an opinion not a fact... been doing this far to long to post a libel ;)

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Originally Posted by Saddo

you see in your own words you just confirmed it more... he ran out of gas even more reason to throw the jab the shot that takes the least energy.

it is also the hardest punch to counter because it is the shortest distance between two points.... and was giving him success early doors so on your logic i'm supprised he threw any shots after that because he was getting hit alot more often when he didnt use it

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Its because he was getting countered when he threw the jab, Mayweather would counter with right hands over the top. Mayweather has done that time and time again throughout his career. Mayweather adapts to any style very well, its not like Oscar was clearly winning the fight after 9 rounds is it ?? i mean i had Mayweather clearly ahead by 1 or 2 rounds after the 9th round.

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Originally Posted by Saddo

i'm also not to supprised you also ran out of steam quickly if you used the same gameplan and oscar and stopped throwing it when you were fucked

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I just went in there swarming my opponent like i said i was very inexperienced missed a lot of my punches. And run out of steam very quickly, but i have improved a lot since then. I had my 1st amateur fight not long ago and i won.

If thats your opinion fair enough im just trying to get you to see it from another point of view. Im just saying Mayweather counters jabs with right hands over the top all the time, and Oscar hasn't exactly been consistent in the later rounds he has been 50-50. Oscar can only do worse in the rematch IMO. He isn't exactly a spring chicken either, and Oscar has never been a great pressure fighter IMO. So im not really sure what he can do better this time ?? maybe use the jab more but Mayweather will be even more prepared for that this time with counter shots, and Oscar is never going to out box Mayweather so how can he win the rematch ??

we can have alittle bet on it mate if they meet again ;)

Honestly id rather Floyd retired and came out of it to fight Cotto then faught ODLH again and retired after that. I think PBF JUST did enough to win the first fight, Oscar could argue he deserves a second shot at it i spose but i am just frustrated if it gets in the way of PBF-Cotto becuase thats the one i want to see!

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Originally Posted by Saddo

we can have alittle bet on it mate if they meet again ;)

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Sure mate PM me the details if its announced.

Last time, Floyd let Oscar get everything he wanted in the negotiations (154, small ring, Reyes gloves).

If I were Floyd, this time I would demand that Oscar concede one of the following two things:
Either the weight (147 instead of 154) or the gloves (Winning instead of Reyes).

I don't think the ring size matters, to be honest.

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almost fell asleep during the first "World Awaits"!

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I think a lot of people were expecting them both to go in the middle of the ring and exchange punches just like Morales vs Barrera or something. I could see Oscar going for it, but Floyd?! Yeah right. Still, two smart experienced fighters were being smart and smart fighters don't care what the public expects. They go in there to win regardless of throwing a few punches but making sure they score.

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I also can't comprehend how ANYONE could think that De La Hoya won the first fight. Or that the fight was even close.

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I can't comprehend how ANYONE thingks that Oscar got completely destroyed, utterly humiliated, totally damaged face, etc. The only good punch I remember from Floyd was when round 8 (was it 8? Or 9?) was ending, Oscar lowered his defense, and right at the bell he threw a right that landed clearly on Oscar's face. Don't remember BOTH being hurt any time during the fight. Just being cautious I guess.

But to say Cotto will do a better job? If Cotto pulls it, awesome! But I am not so sure about that. His robotic, straight forward, slow style simply doesn't convince me. And believe me, I want ANYBODY to beat Floyd convincingly.

Chino are you British? ;D

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almost fell asleep during the first "World Awaits"!

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I think a lot of people were expecting them both to go in the middle of the ring and exchange punches just like Morales vs Barrera or something. I could see Oscar going for it, but Floyd?! Yeah right. Still, two smart experienced fighters were being smart and smart fighters don't care what the public expects. They go in there to win regardless of throwing a few punches but making sure they score.

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I also can't comprehend how ANYONE could think that De La Hoya won the first fight. Or that the fight was even close.

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I can't comprehend how ANYONE thingks that Oscar got completely destroyed, utterly humiliated, totally damaged face, etc. The only good punch I remember from Floyd was when round 8 (was it 8? Or 9?) was ending, Oscar lowered his defense, and right at the bell he threw a right that landed clearly on Oscar's face. Don't remember BOTH being hurt any time during the fight. Just being cautious I guess.

But to say Cotto will do a better job? If Cotto pulls it, awesome! But I am not so sure about that. His robotic, straight forward, slow style simply doesn't convince me. And believe me, I want ANYBODY to beat Floyd convincingly.

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I think a lot of people were expecting them both to go in the middle of the ring and exchange punches just like Morales vs Barrera or something.

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Whoever thought that was an idiot and knows nothing about boxing, Mayweather was moving up to a weight class he has never fought at before, plus ODLH had some of his finest performances at Light Middleweight, plus ODLH was almost 1 stone heavier than Mayweather. So that would be stupid if Mayweather stood toe to toe with a man who almost outweighed him by 1 stone.

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Originally Posted by Chino

I can't comprehend how ANYONE thingks that Oscar got completely destroyed, utterly humiliated, totally damaged face, etc.

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He wasn't destroyed he put up a good fight but he was out boxed in the end. And i had Mayweather ahead by 3 or 4 rounds.

That's right, Mayweather wouldn't exchange punches in the middle of the ring against Oscar or anybody, that is simply not his style.

I am glad there's one person finally who can say something positive about Oscar in that fight. Yes, he fought well I guess but somehow Floyd was given the split decision. Far from being humiliated, completely destroyed, schooled, totally dominated, hurt, about to go down, and so on.

just read on espn.com that DLH/Mayweather II is almost a done deal, buuuuuuut that it's being scheduled for September, meaning one of two things.

1. Oscar's gonna only fight once a year but pushed it back to September to get in the best shape possible (though i don't think he'd have to push it back that much)

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2. Oscar's actually gonna keep his word about fighting two times next year :o, and well probably have the first fight in May, if he does do this, i mean he better fight a more than DECENT opponant in May, cause well i dunno, doesn't seem like there'll be enough time for the Cotto fight, but i really wouldn't hold the Mayweather rematch against DLH if he fights Cotto and actually beats Cotto, but i said IF

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Floyd and Miguel haven't fought yet and still you think it will be one-sided a la Tito - Winky?

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What makes you think Miguel can win really? Look at his speed and robotic style of fighting. Floyd will be landing flash punches from all angles in the book and not getting hit with more than 2 punches since he easily slides away or gets on his bicycle. As much as I really wish someone out there, including Miguel, could beat him convincingly, I just don't see Miguel being the one to do that.

So yeah, I rather see Oscar vs Floyd II which was far from being a complete dominance from both sides. There's a reason why it went SPLIT even though many experts and fans believed Oscar won it.

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And what makes you think it will be one sided a la Tito vs Winky?

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just read on espn.com that DLH/Mayweather II is almost a done deal, buuuuuuut that it's being scheduled for September, meaning one of two things.

1. Oscar's gonna only fight once a year but pushed it back to September to get in the best shape possible (though i don't think he'd have to push it back that much)

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2. Oscar's actually gonna keep his word about fighting two times next year :o, and well probably have the first fight in May, if he does do this, i mean he better fight a more than DECENT opponant in May, cause well i dunno, doesn't seem like there'll be enough time for the Cotto fight, but i really wouldn't hold the Mayweather rematch against DLH if he fights Cotto and actually beats Cotto, but i said IF

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Delaying the fight until September is Floyd's preference, not Oscar's. Oscar wanted to fight on Cinco de Mayo again.

but in the article i read it didn't say any specific reason to why the fight would be in September

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but in the article i read it didn't say any specific reason to why the fight would be in September

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Because Floyd wants a break. He wants a few months off before he has to begin training. He wanted more than the usual 6 months off in-between fights.

well one thing i read DLH said he was going to fight in May as planned though, probably to not have as much rust as he did the first fight

Incredible,I thought Mayweather's body was "falling apart",I thought he"needed a break" etc etc? Prick. As for Oscar,well he seems intent on fighting 3 times,Forbes is being mentioned for May date.

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Incredible,I thought Mayweather's body was "falling apart",I thought he"needed a break" etc etc? Prick. As for Oscar,well he seems intent on fighting 3 times,Forbes is being mentioned for May date.

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Surly this is not about the money or exposure. Oscar feels he MUST avenge Bojado's loss!!! ;D

Ive been trying to avoid this thread for a while. This fight is really gonna happen huh?

I feel deflated at the thought.
With Floyd's break and Oscar's age. I just see this being a very poor fight.

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Originally Posted by Jimafee

Ive been trying to avoid this thread for a while. This fight is really gonna happen huh?

I feel deflated at the thought.
With Floyd's break and Oscar's age. I just see this being a very poor fight.

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snap bruva...didnt even wanna read into it becuase i was praying it doesnt happen. Id actually just rather Floyd stayed retired until he fought Cotto. I mean i dunno why im even complaining i wont even have to pay PPV ill get it free....its just a bit of a joke this fight was exciting then but not now, Floyd vs Cotto should be in the works ffs!

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Originally Posted by Jimafee

Ive been trying to avoid this thread for a while. This fight is really gonna happen huh?

I feel deflated at the thought.
With Floyd's break and Oscar's age. I just see this being a very poor fight.

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snap bruva...didnt even wanna read into it becuase i was praying it doesnt happen. Id actually just rather Floyd stayed retired until he fought Cotto. I mean i dunno why im even complaining i wont even have to pay PPV ill get it free....its just a bit of a joke this fight was exciting then but not now, Floyd vs Cotto should be in the works ffs!

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I agree with you guys.I felt totally deflated too.ESPECIALLY with Oscar. I mean if he offers a fight to you,you take it,because of the $$$ you can make.He could have chosen someone else to fight,there are plenty of challengers out there.

This fight epitomises everything that is wrong in boxing. I thought the 2007 major match ups of Hatton Vs Mayweather, Cotto Vs Mosley, Pavlik Vs Taylor and Calzaghe Vs Kessler were a sign of things to come but to me this is just a huge step back. Boxing rematches ONLY happen for two reasons

1) It was a great fight so the public want to see it again
2) The fight ended in controversy (Bad decision, Bad stoppage, Bad cut)

DLH Vs PFB 1 was neither.

It was a terrible fight and as for those people who say name some other fighters that have more of a chance of beating PBF. It's not about that. He had his chance. He lost. So he should go to the back of the queue. It's as simple as that. If you want to take that argument to its extreme then Ali should have fought Frazier 10 times throughout the 70's because, well, he was one of only a few heavyweights who could have beaten Ali. DLH should be forced to fight a Cotto or Williams to prove his worth.

Anyway what it is with DLH ? The guy has lost three of his last five fights. Mayweather talks about leaving a legacy but if he fights DLH and not Cotto this will tarnish his reputation and if he loses (which he could do) then every ounce of respect that people have given for him after the Hatton fight will diminish. He has to fight Cotto or Williams