Honestly, who us Tank? A bar fighter, fat and out of shape! I'd like to see Kimbo Slice fight Fujita, Mirko, Arloski, or even Gongo!
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Honestly, who us Tank? A bar fighter, fat and out of shape! I'd like to see Kimbo Slice fight Fujita, Mirko, Arloski, or even Gongo!
Alright...I'm a bit like my post icon right now, so this is gonna be very piecemeal...
He wasn't aggressive because he feared Werdum's takedown, not his fist. But what's important is that he was afraid. Kimbo will destroy him if he comes in afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
As far as the comments about MMA fighters being brought up much more competitively than boxers, you're absolutely right. Amateur MMA is FAR from readily available (even here in Mass, where MMA is being pretty readily embraced, and fighters flock from several nearby states to train, Am.MMA is just now being held on a steady basis, rather than once every few months). Many fighters start in small local leagues, and then are quickly recruited by the major organizations to fight on undercards. If they perform well, one or two more undercards, and they're on televised fights (and there are no small events in the major orgs). Even one televised win can put them in title contention within 8 fights, or as little as 3 or 4 if particularly impressive.
Look St. Pierre (17 fights and already a two time champ), or Couture (24 fights, with two coming after he retired, having held the title spereately in two weight classes on however many different occasions). They're fair amounts of fights, but compared to boxing's champs and title contenders? Absolutely nothing. Any big name transfers are generally thrown to the wolves very quickly, and as such have trouble making the transition without fading or being turned off from the sport .
South...in a real fight, they aren't going to hold the armbar until you tap, they're gonna snap your arm before you know what's going on, which you won't unless you're well trained in the ground game. And people don't just sit there and let you wail on their nuts (which you can't really punch well while being armbarred as they're covered by your own arm, or at all if you're facing the floor), or poke their eyes out (how hard is it to move their head, which you can't reach in the first place?)
And Kimbo would easily fall prey to a strong wrestler at this point in his career. He is working with the best in Bas, and Bas is managing him VERY wisely. He's already said he won't give Kimbo a fight he can't realistically win. The more he trains, the more realistically he can beat anybody. He's a slugger right now, but I think Bas will make him into a serious force in the Heavyweight division.
And lastly, whoever said Nogueira couldn't take Kimbo's shots is insane...The man has NEVER been knocked out OR subbed, while 19 of his own 31 wins have come by submission. Nog would get knocked down after trying to trade, take a beating, then sub him easily. The man is very patient and rarely misses opportunities. Bob Sapp dealt this man one of the worst beatings I have ever seen and STILL subbed him easily late in the fight. Only reason it took so long is because Sapp was able to muscle out of the subs in a way Kimbo could only hope to emulate. He's strong but not THAT strong.
Yes a lot of people said it was supposed to be a bare-knuckles fight only. I don't know what all was said before the fight, but if that's the case, then yes, Gannon did cheat. Still, you've got to be pretty bad-ass to knock out Kimbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
It's been a while, but to the best of my recollection, the rules were "Stand up only, no kicking, no ground fighting." It was basically very poor and vague rules. Gannon heard no kicks, so he thought knees were okay (A big stretch) and stand up only, so why not standing guillotine, especially when the guy shoots on you.
All that matters is that Gannon took everything Kimbo could throw back then and still dealt out more than Kimbo could handle. That being said, Kimbo is FAR from the same fighter he was back then.
Yeah hopefully he's learned a lot more by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
Heavy,
as new as kimbo is to the game, I actually think he's more talented than Sapp could ever dream of being. IMO, the only reason Sapp has lasted this long is because he is so brutally strong. I said this a long time ago... you can't get to where kimbo is without having spent some time in a real gym. The man has awesome power and is actually one of the more technically proficient stand-up fighters in mma already. you're right about Bas... in time Bas will make him awesome all around.
I know a few buddies in Akron who do mma. They trained for a few years. They trained less than a year before there first fight. Now boxers train as young as five. They train to do three things. To deliver a punch to take a punch and avoid a punch. So yes boxers do have better chins. They don't stand up strait when they punch and leave their chins to hang out and dry. The knock out is caused by inrushia in the skull. Gloves where invented to prevent the knuckles from breaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgameQuote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
I hope you don't really believe that boxers have such better jaws that prevent them from going down. It is truly a testament to the difference in gloves. Be realistic, boxers have the same physical makeup. The difference is the padding of the gloves.
I never really thought much of Tank Abbot, he was good to watch but he is extremely limited and he is a shot fighter. Kimbo beating an old Tank Abbot don't really impress me.