Get off the crack bilbo. Of all people you want our power punch back to 1 :rolleyes: Now I know your not trying to dig your boogger in your photo, thats actually crack your sniffing :-X
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Get off the crack bilbo. Of all people you want our power punch back to 1 :rolleyes: Now I know your not trying to dig your boogger in your photo, thats actually crack your sniffing :-X
lol Bilbo loves rep or accolades of any kind but precisely because I am such an unabashed rep and coolclick whore I notice how the system works and this system is flawed imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGs_Diane
Because of inflation you will gain more reps next month than you did this month and will gain more the month after that etc.
It means that eventually we will all have punch powers ridiculously high and our reputation number will be so high we won't even be able to fit the number into the box.
And it will likely almost double every single month!
It's just silly and undemocratic.
When you think about it why should Mick or myself have a huge punch power compared to someone like Big H who is a mod but for some reason has not done well under this new system?
What makes us more important than him? Or anyone more important than anybody else?
The old coolclick system just gave a single click power to EVERYBODY!
It was democratic, it was anonymous, it was fair.
I just think this new system is skewed and broken.
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Technically I don't want our punch power back to 1 I want a return to the coolclick system.
It was fairer and more fun imo.
Nah .... my rep hasn't improved at all since it came out.
Are you bored tonight Bilbo, and just needed something to debate? :argue: ;D
Or maybe just hitting the bottle too much? :alcoholic:
Honestly, whether it's the rep system or cool/sad click system, it shouldn't matter, it's all just for fun, and it shouldn't be taken so seriously. :rolleyes:
If people are just going to complain about it, then just take it all away, period, and then everyone is equal, and we can do what is really important, and that's talk about boxing, and other interesting subjects. ;)
If you take it away, discussions won't stop, friendships being formed won't stop, but the complaining will stop. ;D
Bilbo at first you really had plans for the system right ?The whole elites band together and keep the newbies in check as a Vassel Leader to build yours up right.?
I agree though,I liked the old system better but it is not coming back.One at a time felt more valuable and well earned...may sound cornball but it did....Regardless of the chickenshit Sc bombers.The whole spread it around thing sort of gets me as well.It just seems at times its flying around just to meet a quota count.If I have not earned your respect or rep for a thought or point just keep it.It can really be a #'s game and a mindbender if you over think it.It can become a watered down swap-meet barder system at times but At the end of the day I have no complaints.Reps are sent for whatever reason and we have full control of the response we choose ...Back to boxing!;D
Trust me if Saddo takes it away altogether my complaining will have only just gotten started! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by DGs_Diane
But don't worry, in a few months you'll see I was right when those at the top have reputations in the hundreds of thousands and our beloved Wacko no longer even makes the reputation board at all :mad:
When every single member of Saddo's is a Hall of Famer with a punch power over 1000.
Then you'll say 'We should have listened to Bilbo, that little hobbit guy, he knew. He knew this would happen!'
And you'll turn to me and say 'Oh Bilbo, Oh we wish we had listened to you'.
And I will not reply but just put a disinterested smilie up like this one :shrug03: and act all indifferent, but inside I will be grinning a big knowing grin of smug satisfaction ^-^
Glad you understand where I'm coming from. At the end of the day I do agree with Diane that it's not really a big deal. But if you going to have a fun little system then it may as will be fair and fun for everyone...right?;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Actually you feel exactly how I do about it. You have to spread your rep around, and the ever increasing punch powers just kind of devalues a rep point to meaning virtually nothing. This will only get worse as well.
I wish we could go back to the old coolclicks. I liked giving the old :coolclick: sign and if someone was really bad the occasional but very satisfying :sadclick: sign as well.
I just made it 2 times for youQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
By the way Diane do you not feel the disparity is unfair when you think about it? I mean why shoul I have a punch power of 60 versus somebody else's 10?Quote:
Originally Posted by DGs_Diane
I don't really like the grading of members in that some have a more important value than others. I'm certainly not against a reputation, a hard earned rep based on how others see you and your posts but giving extra power to people with a higher rep is a bit undemocratic imo.
If there was no punch power stats and everyone's opinion and rep and hence punch power/ cool click power was the same the whole system seems more fair and inclusive.
Nobody is treated differently, everyone's opinion is the same. So if a little newbie likes one of my postings and reps me for it it is just as important as if CutMeMick repped me. I prefer that, I like that.
Today for example I got a 40 rep from Boxing Gorilla and a 2 rep from 2GoodForU. I was like ugh to the 2 rep but it shouldn't be that way, because both Gorilla and toogood4u are equal in my eyes and in the eyes of God.
I think I'm getting a bit too deep and into this now but you can see where my sentiments come from.
Bilbo I just dont see what is unfair about it.You use wacko as an example but dont forget He has been inactive since the switch and for about a month before on and off.no doubt that if he was doing the RBR's and on point daily his numbers would have sense doubled if not tripled.I miss the dude and #'s dont do him justice...he's beyond them as are many lifers and long term vets.Its really not a lifes concern,Hey right now Andy Lee Is starting...What a facial mutt :o
lol I know its not a big deal and its not going to affect my life either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Just thought it was a point worth raising.
Wacko slaved over this site for 4 years and had a reputation beyond compare.
He leaves for a couple months and he's now being overtaken and will soon be an also ran.
Not a big deal ulitmately but still a bit sad I think.
The good thing about the CC system is that you get one more point for each thing that another finds commendable in your post. Its a gradual accumulation of respect. Likewise the SC was a gradual accumulation of disrespect. It definitely reflected pretty much "time spent" as it were.
My main gripe is this "share the love" business. Ive been on here like I used to be over the last number of days and posting and giving out rep to posts I find interesting. And STILL im told I must spread the love before giving rep. to members I wanted to give rep to days ago. Its pissing me off! I never had this hassle with the CC system. If anyone things that ive turned from being CC mad to just being stingy with the rep.....well, it just isnt the case. Darn annoying!! :mad:
Well done for speaking up Miles! Let's try and get the old system back,Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I miss my coolclicks !;D
You've made some good points in this thread. Im hardly a hippy dippy communist but I do think the new system has its flaws. I can get rep from 20 newbies or just a couple of long time members and yet both will affect my power punch (which is weak considering how long ive been here and how many CC's I once had) in the same way. Getting respect is better in the CC way of getting "one more on the notch" IMO.
The current system may well lead to a select few dominating and controlling with their power punch and with many others having a much weaker influence. Perhaps a metaphor for the way things are in the world itself. ;D
Yeah this is exactly it Miles. A newbie who has been extrememely active in the past month alone can build a reputation almost that of a veteran member who built a nice coolclick reputation over several years.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
As I keep saying Wacko is already demoted to 5th on the rep board.
Mick who is number 1 and deservedly so imo based on years of service to the site including countless ringside reports could drop probably to 5th or 6th in just a single month if he say didn't log in at all in April
It's just a stupid system, I completely hate it because its not fair imo.
It doesn't reward a member by allowing him to gradually gain the respect of his fellow members over time, it just encourages rep trading with other higher repped members, through this spreading the love feature.
I don't really like it at all to be honest. The punch power feature especially I don't think is well implemented and goes against the ethos of the board. This is a friendly board where everybody is equal, why then do we have a grading system where some users are better than others?
That's the sort of shit you'd expect to see on Dogshite boxing or EastSide
Exactly. This site is what it is because of the way it has evolved and the CC/SC system was part of that. I suppose I will always be fond of the old way because thats what I always knew. It did its job though and I didnt see too much wrong with it.
The anonymous sad clicks were irritating but you cant get too bothered about that. No anonymity with this system though.
I agree, bring back the coolclicks. If you are gonna HAVE a system what better checks and balances than a 1 at a time Click for the good or the bad. everything stays in proportion.
Clicks were a badge of honor that stood for hard work and recognition of effort put into this place.
I was 917/222 before the change and almost had 5000 posts 1000 CC and 5000 posts is elite company and a gold standard of longevity and dedication here, now it means jackshit
Kind of like when you get Madden or MLB Baseball for ps3, sure you can create your own guy and give him 99's in every attribute so that he hits 95 home runs and has 300 RBI'S and bats 500. or runs for 3500 rushing yards or throws for 100 touchdowns.. Its fun at 1st but then it gets old and excessive after a while..
Bring back the clicks;)
Where can I find his profile? I hardly know the bastard, but I too will rep him.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickWho want's some?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
:boxingmatch: I'll knock them the FUCK OUT!! :cool:
In other words, a new member you might could only give 10 reps, but if he had a certain rep count, it might extend to 20, and so on.......Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickThat makes sense...Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubberHe could make it so that you're not allowed to recieve but so much rep at once until your rep count or punch power reaches a certain number. (That way a newbie couldn't come on here and get repped by a powerful poster like Mick and already have a high punch power. Only a poster like Wacko who deserved it could get it.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
So if I can't click them that means that can't earn any punching power and only those with a small number can Rep. thus leaving me to Rep. members like Wacko, Bilbo, BG etc. etc.
So if I Rep. them their power will increase but not rapidly which means we would all somewhat be the same and.......
(I have know fucken idea, what I just typed :confused: )
..... What am I talkin' about now? :dontknow:
OK i knew this was a fast building thing but that is because we see rep counts this system didn't have that i added it because when i changed the forum people where saying...
i had 1000 CC's and now i only have 10 power... WERE THE FUCKS MY CC's.
thus the reps count had to be shown.
this isnt the same format as the CC's and isnt ment to be if the reps get out of hand and people end up with 1000 punch power then i just get rid on the rep count and keep power numbers only as it should be... it would just be like someone having 1000 CC's
then just cap the reps that can be given to a max of 100. ((not sure i want to cap it yet))
this isnt an unfair system it works fine the problem is you guys are comparing it to CC/SC's it is not that..... it works on its own format and apart from the head start the old members got with there CC/SC ratio everyone started this system together at the same time and that is why new members have a high ratio.
then we have old members like Wacko who havnet been here for 2+ months and have missed out on this system... well to be totally honest there is fuck all i can do about that it is hard enough for me to keep the posters that are active happy for me to start worring about the ones who dont come on the board anymore.
but i'm sure if Wacko turned up everyone would rep him and build him up to what he was because that is what this place is all about
the CC's where only added to peoples reps here to stop them feeling that they had lost something.... in reality they had because reps are a total diffent system
BUT....
i plan on adding a thankyou points system to run along side the reps system where rather than giving reps for anything and everything you can just thank them for there post and it will be a one for one system.
thus making the reps a more valuble thing to give or take away and not something you give just because you got rep.;)
what you need to remember this place isnt an archive to old members it is a board for active members and if poster are on the missing from the board and not active then they wont give a shit what there ratings are because they are not here ;)
Also...
i plan on making the rep points spendable so you can trade them for things that i will be inplanting to the forum over time.
....................
the CC/SC system is gone and i could prob tweak this system to resemble it but not enough to please all and to be honest this system is better for the long term plan of the board.
we just need to stop holding on to an old system that people used to also complain about on a weekly basis.
Cheers Saddo, it sounds like you've got a few exciting plans in the pipeline.
The thankyou system sounds very much similar to the old coolclicks which will be most welcome.
Spend my rep on something? Now there's a thought. Actually I'm a hoarder so I'd probably rather appreciate the option to buy more rep! :D
I'm pretty sure you'll still find a way to cry about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Yeah he is a regular hobbit drama queen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI'm pretty sure you'll still find a way to cry about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
If I was Saddo you would of got a Shut the fuck up instead of a thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
LOL just testing ;)
This is becoming more convoluted than a chinese Menu written in brail !!!
No offense intended but Maybe we can add a giant pacifier or a big lolly pop as well so people can stop whining and pissing .......Just a thought.
Wheres Legion when you need em' Lol ?
hahaha :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Maybe one way to solve this, I know the Thank You tried to address it (even though I don't even think it's a problem), is in addition to counting reputation points, count the number of times someone has been repped.
Kind of like a U.S. government checks and balances thing. Make 2 houses of reps. One where the Reputation points are like the House, based on the punching power of the person who reps you and one like the senate, where no matter the punch power, everyone's rep counts the same.
So say I rep you my full 21. You get 21 rep points and then there is a separate tally somewhere that just counts the 1 click I gave you. Don't know if that is possible but it seems like it could work. That way, you're still repping someone, the punch power still matters but the numbers don't get to inflated or if they do get inflated, you can still see who has the most overall clicks in addition to rep points.
I just don't see why we have different punch powers at all :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
I mean presumably by giving a higher punch power to users with higher rep then Saddo is acknowleding that veteran posters should have more status on the board..........
BUT with this new system precisely because of the punch power a veterans status is completely meaningless as it will be progessively easier to earn rep.
Right now its not too noticeable but by Christmas the most popular posters will have individual punch powers into the thousands and just a few months after that into the millions! :o
You're 1000 rep points that you earned in two years can already be earned in a single week here now and by Christmas people be earning uptp 10,000 rep points per day
Its the worst idea ever doomed to complete and total failure unless it gets changed :D
Actually looking again at Saddo's post he says he will cap the maximum punch power at 100. This prevents the wildly escalating punch power problem but just means that sooner or later, probably by May EVERYBODY will have capped out at the 100 limit, which kind of begs the question why have a variable punch rate at all?
So in the longterm what we will likely have is a rep system where a user can select from 1-100 points to give to another poster based on how much they like their posting.
Which is ok I guess but a rep point seems a lot simpler and fairer meaning people cant band together and high click each other to get up the rankings quickly.
I have no problem with punch powers, not having punch power would be essentially the same system as the CC/SC system. Personally I don't really care much but if you think in the even longer run, hopefully I'll be getting reps in the future to which will still have me ahead of the newbies because I'll be gaining rep just as they will. If you're worried about the number of individual rep clicks, I think just telling us that number (which I assume can be done) would solve that gripe right?
No because unless Saddo caps it they would escalate faster and faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
In the post above he says he plans to cap it to 100 so by May probably we will all have reached that pretty much, at least regular posters anyway.
But you wont stay ahead of the newbies if you take time off. I can already give someone 63 rep points per punch. That's more than doubled in just over a month.
Within another monther at the same rate it willl 126, a month later 246 and so on.
I'm not complaining or moaning because at the end of the day I know Saddo will have a plan. We are just going through a temporal teething process.
I just wish he'd explain what the eventual system will be! ;D
But I guess like God and Big Brother Saddo is the boss and will tell us when he's good and ready ;)
Don't think Saddo's will have a problem with people banding together to climb up the rep ladder. Until then, just stage your own personal revolution and only give 1 point per rep. Easy enough.
what the hell is those green +'s next to some of your names:confused:
If you get repped, whatever post gets repped, it shows now. So Bilbo repped me 1 point for my post, it shows atop the post now.
....I say we all negative rep Bilbo for being such a worrisome hobbit
So far I'm the only one who's done it. Where the rest of you cowards at?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Waaaaaay ahead of you Lyle.... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by CutMeMickLook you fucken little hobbit. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I've just about had enough with you thread about the Rep. system...
It is what is so deal with it. If I fucken come across 1 more of your threads about this whole Rep. system I sware I will fucken 'Bad Rep.' your ass back into the old Cool Click/Sad Click system. :mad:
...and goodbye Bilbo's rep ;D