Anyone Want To Doubt Joe Calzaghe Again??

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

I will difinitely doubt him against RJJr and Pavlik.

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You have good views normally mate;)

But like the doubters against lacy, kessler and hopkins...you'll see that calz will be triumphant against both these two.

But fair enough, we all have our opinions.

What matters is that if calzaghe beats jones and pavlik that it totally silcences any doubts and the people who had doubts then come forward and say 'hey, you know what, i had doubts but now i believe joe is the man!'

What if it happens like this? Calz beats jones next, then goes into his final fight against pavlik after beating lacy, kessler, hopkins and jones...will you then still doubt him against pavlik? Just wondering?

When i watch calzaghe fight i see something simmilar to floyd in the way that i see a fighter who can adapt his style, a style that is so difficult to fight against and use it to take out the opponent. By doing this against a very on form hopkins calz showed he has definately got that superior class, he did what a true champ does because he adapted and found the weakness in hopkins (albeit a tiny weakness), he found his range, he found a way to nullify hopkins counter punches by coming in and out and blocking the big straight right (the one that put him on floor in the 1st)...this shows me what ive always thought about calz, that he is the real deal. He went to vegas and proved that he can adapt, he outfoxed the whily fox himself, for thati give him immense credit.

joe looked rubbish, hopkins exposed him

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by GodofBoxing

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Originally Posted by ICB

Hopkins won the first 4 rounds IMO he did land the much more effective blows in those rounds. And Calzaghe was struggling to get any punches off. Calzaghe did comeback strong and won majority of the rounds after that but i still feel Hopkins did manage to win another 2 rounds after the first 4 rounds, making it 114-113 Hopkins.

Your saying no way this and no way that basically saying your opinion is correct when it isn't. Those rounds were close and i gave them to Hopkins on the cleaner more effective punches. I have my opinion you have yours none of us are wrong because its just an opinion not a fact.

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I'm saying noway because if you give hopkins this fight after being outworked, outpunched and outscored then judging a fight must be quite an abstract thing..

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See i hate people like you who try and cause an argument, i actually do boxing and have been watching boxing for a decade. I know how to score fights and i don't appreciate that comment from you, because it really is an easy comeback and all i have to say is you don't know how to score a fight either, but i won't because like i said its just an opinion no one is wrong. Hopkins was out punched but he still landed the more cleaner effective punches and the knockdown gave him the edge in the scoring IMO.

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Have to agree as this is the same logic that all the pac fans were saying because Pac got the knockdown against JMM another close fight he got the decsion when everyone knows who won that fight too.;D

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Originally Posted by ds91

joe looked rubbish, hopkins exposed him

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Jeebus. :o

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by GodofBoxing

Some of you need to take your head out of you know what...

Just because you were saying Hopkins would win doesnt make you blind to the obvious fact that Calzaghe won...

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Im not a big fan of either man and i wern't really picking either man to win i was 50-50 on the fight. Hopkins landed the cleaner better blows and won the first 4 rounds clearly IMO and plus lets not forget the 10-8 round, then he won another 2 rounds making it 114-113 to Hopkins.

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No way Hopkins was even close to winning that. I distinctly remember you picking Hopkins by decision right before the fight too. :rolleyes:;D

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This is not the first time he goes back on his picks. I don't know why you're surprised. I am glad you called him out on it though.

ICB just believes what he hears people say. His posts hold no weight.

ICB A.K.A. "The Quoter"

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Originally Posted by GodofBoxing

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Wot? where did he win 6 rounds? wtf were you watching...?

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I can't remember the exact rounds but Hopkins for certain won the first 4 rounds IMO, he then won the 11th, and he also won the round where he stunned Calzaghe at the end of the round. You can easily have Hopkins winning 6 rounds.

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First of all no he didn't clearly win the first 4 rounds...The second was a draw at best..the fourth was definitely a Calzaghe round as also mentioned by all commentators as a turning round of the fight.

So a punch at the end that pushes Jc back wins a round? after having been taking combinations throughout it?

And noway did hopkins win the 11th..the guy was tiring all thru the later rounds...

He took 5 mins...i mean a full 5 mins faking a low blow...pathetic really

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first off, hopkins didn't take combinations throughout the round.. but joe WAS throwing combinations throughout the round.. They were all poorly thrown slapping punches that were lucky if they grazed hopkins shoulders.. The most significant punch of the round was the right from hopkins at the end of the round.. Whether or not it happened at the end of the round, or within the first 10 seconds, it was still the most significant punch BY FAR!! in that round.. It was Joe's fault for trying to steal a round in the last 5 seconds and opening up with slapping lefts and rights and he got caught with two hard shots.. Easy round to score if you ask me..

I had Hopkins winning the first 3 rounds without question, and then at the very least two more rounds after that.. i'd have to go back and watch again, but i definitely had 5-6 rounds for hopkins.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

I will difinitely doubt him against RJJr and Pavlik.

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Pacstraighleft,
I gotta say I think he beats RJJ soundly. Especially since RJJ fades out even worst then what Hopkins faded in their fight. So I'd favor Joe over RJJ.

vs. Pavliks.... The thing here for me is 2 things:
1. Can Joe take one of Pavliks straight rights?
2. Can Pavlik land his money shot on Joe?

I think if Pavlik uses his jab more to set up the right, instead of just firing the right hand with no set up jab I think he lands it. JT was able to box with Pavlik without getting hit with anything major.

I said before that I'd never doubt Pavlik again, more recently I said I'd never doubt Joe again. :-\ I got this one even and can't decide now but I will choose a side if the fight gets done.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE "STARR SYNDROME" SEEMS TO BE GOING AROUND AND HAS INFECTED SOME OF YOU. I mean what kind of prediction is this?:
"Pavlik by TKO" OR "Joe on points" :( :confused:

That's the easy way to predicting a fight.....
I mean in that case why not say I think either one wins it. :p

Then when the fight is over, some of you come here saying:
"Well I did say he'd win by points"

Yeah! well you also predicted a win for the other guy.... :(

I call this the 'Starr' syndrome cause she used to always do that. ;)

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

I will difinitely doubt him against RJJr and Pavlik.

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Pacstraighleft,
I gotta say I think he beats RJJ soundly. Especially since RJJ fades out even worst then what Hopkins faded in their fight. So I'd favor Joe over RJJ.

vs. Pavliks.... The thing here for me is 2 things:
1. Can Joe take one of Pavliks straight rights?
2. Can Pavlik land his money shot on Joe?

I think if Pavlik uses his jab more to set up the right, instead of just firing the right hand with no set up jab I think he lands it. JT was able to box with Pavlik without getting hit with anything major.

I said before that I'd never doubt Pavlik again, more recently I said I'd never doubt Joe again. :-\ I got this one even and can't decide now but I will choose a side if the fight gets done.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE "STARR SYNDROME" SEEMS TO BE GOING AROUND AND HAS INFECTED SOME OF YOU. I mean what kind of prediction is this?:
"Pavlik by TKO" OR "Joe on points" :( :confused:

That's the easy way to predicting a fight.....
I mean in that case why not say I think either one wins it. :p

Then when the fight is over, some of you come here saying:
"Well I did say he'd win by points"

Yeah! well you also predicted a win for the other guy.... :(

I call this the 'Starr' syndrome cause she used to always do that. ;)

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gotta agree with your points about RJJ mick.. RJJ likes to take breaks, and i don't think he'll be able to do with with joe's workrate.. Bhop had the better chance at beating joe with his dirty, hold and grab technique.. Unless RJJ scores a KO, i don't see him beating Joe..

As far as Pavlik goes, this is Joe's most dangerous fight i believe.. I like to compare Pavlik, in the respect of fighting Calzaghe, with Kessler.. They're both fighters who stand right in front of you, and come towards you.. Lacy was the same way.. We've seen Joe beat both Kessler and Lacy decisively.. but the difference as far as Pavlik is concered, is his own workrate.. Pavlik DOES NOT stop, so Joe would have to be in his best shape going into this fight.. Pavlik is a machine, and after seeing him get knocked around with about 4 flush shots from Taylor, getting up before the ref counted to two, and coming back to win the fight by KO then i don't know what or who will stop him..

To answer your questions.. could joe take a straight right from Pavlik? i'd say it depends on the round.. if it's past the 6th round and pavlik lands flush FORGET IT, Joe's done.. this is why i think it's the most dangerous fight for Joe.. it all comes down to a "punchers chance".. Not that Pavlik isn't a superb fighter, but Joe is very elusive and Pavlik will need a little while to figure him out to land any big shots.. This is the fight i want to see..

'Twas always thus in boxing ...... we build up a big fight, then think of excuses when the outcome does not match our preconception, then its the next big fight that counts.

Fighters are best appreciated after they retire.

We are saying the same things about Pvlik that we all said about lacy and Kessler - he's a machine, he hits too hard, Calzaghe has never faced anyone like this etc etc.

Pavlik can be outboxed and he can be hit. I think Calzaghe is too slick to me outboxed these days, and he has shown he has a very good chin. Calzaghe can adapt in the middle of a fight and he has not really shown any huge weaknesses - he is a pretty complete fighter compared to many around at the moment. I think Pavlik can be predictable and robotic and he is not sneaky enough to win this one (unless he strikes it lucky with a big bomb at some point)

Joe boxes Pavlik's head off all night. Pavlik doesn't have the power at 168 that he does at 160 and comes in in straight lines. He's made for Joe and it'd be another Jeff Lacy fight. The only question that fight would answer is how hard is Pavlik's head.

I take nothing from Joe but we all seen how quickly when asked about Pavlik or Jones he jumped to RJJ. He got a big record but Lacy is no legend Hopkins may be but thats just it He's ancient as is RJJ. Step up and fight the best America really has to offer which is Pavlik. Joe and Enzio will be watching closely when pavlik destroys his buddy Lockett. If that punch from Hopkins put him down then wowww he'll end up looking like glass joe from tyson's punchout when Kelly touches him.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Joe boxes Pavlik's head off all night. Pavlik doesn't have the power at 168 that he does at 160 and comes in in straight lines. He's made for Joe and it'd be another Jeff Lacy fight. The only question that fight would answer is how hard is Pavlik's head.

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I guarantee you he has power at 168. Why wouldn't he? You think he suddenly lost it in the second Taylor Fight or just maybe, Taylor approached the fight a lot differently then the first fight?

Pavlik has fought guys with vastly different styles and has found a way to beat them in dramatic fashion practically every time.

So many try to write him off as limited, but he is the real deal. Sure he has some limitations, as does every fighter, but so many try to make him seem like an amateur

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Joe boxes Pavlik's head off all night. Pavlik doesn't have the power at 168 that he does at 160 and comes in in straight lines. He's made for Joe and it'd be another Jeff Lacy fight. The only question that fight would answer is how hard is Pavlik's head.

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I guarantee you he has power at 168. Why wouldn't he? You think he suddenly lost it in the second Taylor Fight or just maybe, Taylor approached the fight a lot differently then the first fight?

Pavlik has fought guys with vastly different styles and has found a way to beat them in dramatic fashion practically every time.

So many try to write him off as limited, but he is the real deal. Sure he has limitations, as does every fight, but so many try to make him seem like an amateur

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Well put Dean.. Taylor fought a COMPLETELY different fight the second time they met.. He was 100% more defensive, so to say that Pavlik won't have power at 168 is a joke..

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Joe boxes Pavlik's head off all night. Pavlik doesn't have the power at 168 that he does at 160 and comes in in straight lines. He's made for Joe and it'd be another Jeff Lacy fight. The only question that fight would answer is how hard is Pavlik's head.

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I guarantee you he has power at 168. Why wouldn't he? You think he suddenly lost it in the second Taylor Fight or just maybe, Taylor approached the fight a lot differently then the first fight?

Pavlik has fought guys with vastly different styles and has found a way to beat them in dramatic fashion practically every time.

So many try to write him off as limited, but he is the real deal. Sure he has some limitations, as does every fighter, but so many try to make him seem like an amateur

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He doesn't have any more power then Kessler does and he's never fought anybody at Calzaghe's level. We heard the same stuff about Jeff Lacy too. Pavlik really wouldn't stand a chance against Joe.

Kind of like the Ray Lenord and Hagler fight.......I thought the other guy won. Hopkins hurt him a few times. Hopkins put him on his ass. If I could just work on a great defense maybe I too can flail my arms every where and get knocked down then hurt a few times and still win.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by ICB

Im not a big fan of either man and i wern't really picking either man to win i was 50-50 on the fight. Hopkins landed the cleaner better blows and won the first 4 rounds clearly IMO and plus lets not forget the 10-8 round, then he won another 2 rounds making it 114-113 to Hopkins.

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No way Hopkins was even close to winning that. I distinctly remember you picking Hopkins by decision right before the fight too. :rolleyes:;D

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This is not the first time he goes back on his picks. I don't know why you're surprised. I am glad you called him out on it though.

ICB just believes what he hears people say. His posts hold no weight.

ICB A.K.A. "The Quoter"

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You just owned yourself because Miles agreed with me in the other thread, I said "Hopkins by controversial decision" thats exactly word for word what i said and if you don't believe me, go onto Hopkins vs Calzaghe prediction thread. Meaning that i thought Calzaghe would win 7-5 or etc, but i didn't believe he would get the decision in USA thats why i said "Hopkins by controversial decision" . You already avoided my replies in your ridiculous thread you made yesterday, and for 100 percent your avoid this reply as well because your have no answer like always.

Jones' pre fight comments...

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Joe boxes Pavlik's head off all night. Pavlik doesn't have the power at 168 that he does at 160 and comes in in straight lines. He's made for Joe and it'd be another Jeff Lacy fight. The only question that fight would answer is how hard is Pavlik's head.

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I guarantee you he has power at 168. Why wouldn't he? You think he suddenly lost it in the second Taylor Fight or just maybe, Taylor approached the fight a lot differently then the first fight?

Pavlik has fought guys with vastly different styles and has found a way to beat them in dramatic fashion practically every time.

So many try to write him off as limited, but he is the real deal. Sure he has some limitations, as does every fighter, but so many try to make him seem like an amateur

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He doesn't have any more power then Kessler does and he's never fought anybody at Calzaghe's level. We heard the same stuff about Jeff Lacy too. Pavlik really wouldn't stand a chance against Joe.

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You are absolutely devoid of information if you think you can compare Lacy to Pavlik. LET ME SET THIS STRAIGHT...

Lacy got a quick shot at the title after being favored by major networks. He got ahead quickly with a crude style that favored brutal KO's. He was frustrated many times in fights, and has had more than one stopped prematurely in his favor (i.e. S. Vanderpool). He was destined to be exposed--sooner than later.

Pavlik has been on the GRINDER, fighting everyone who came his way. He has polished his style on the faces of his opponents, now getting 80+ punches a round and just got his first decision in FOUR YEARS. Every fighter he faces is a different person after they meet--broken. Tell me I am lying.

Pavlik v. Calzaghe is the enthusiasts' wet dream, but RJJ is the only fight for JC right now. He deserves the huge money it will generate

vs. Tarver-- you're kidding, right?
vs. Chad Dawson--overwhelmed by the vet
vs. Glen Johnson--grueling, but similar to fight v. Bika
vs. Taylor--WHY??? For $$$ only

that puts him to 50-0, and he can retire a true #1 P4P legend!

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

He doesn't have any more power then Kessler does and he's never fought anybody at Calzaghe's level. We heard the same stuff about Jeff Lacy too. Pavlik really wouldn't stand a chance against Joe.

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Kessler is a textbook guy, looks great on paper. I said this in another thread. Kessler fights like a guy who was trained to be a fighter. Pavlik is a fighter. Pavlik has 5X the meanness and intensity level of Kessler in the ring.

People call Pavlik robotic, but lets look it the truth. It is kessler who sat there round by round, doing the exact same thing against joe, afraid to devoid himself from his gameplan even though he was getting out worked plain and simple. He had no plan B, he follows textbook boxing rules and does not know or refuses to grit down.

Pavlik can square up in the middle of the ring also and jab, bomb with straight rights. If it does not work he can toss you into the rope and rip the shit out of you.

I tell you all right now. Kessler is over-rated by so many. He lacks in the intangibles in my book. He looks pretty in there, but he does not have the fire in his belly. Heart and desire will carry you in this game. If you lack that spark in any way, you are vulnerable.

Joe has that spark. Pavlik also has that spark.

Calzaghe's best win was against Kessler, a rematch would be nice but i doubt Joe goes there again, he will fight Jones next and i give RJJ a real chance against a sluggish Joe Calzaghe. I'm not won over yet!

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

He doesn't have any more power then Kessler does and he's never fought anybody at Calzaghe's level. We heard the same stuff about Jeff Lacy too. Pavlik really wouldn't stand a chance against Joe.

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Kessler is a textbook guy, looks great on paper. I said this in another thread. Kessler fights like a guy who was trained to be a fighter. Pavlik is a fighter. Pavlik has 5X the meanness and intensity level of Kessler in the ring.

People call Pavlik robotic, but lets look it the truth. It is kessler who sat there round by round, doing the exact same thing against joe, afraid to devoid himself from his gameplan even though he was getting out worked plain and simple. He had no plan B, he follows textbook boxing rules and does not know or refuses to grit down.

Pavlik can square up in the middle of the ring also and jab, bomb with straight rights. If it does not work he can toss you into the rope and rip the shit out of you.

I tell you all right now. Kessler is over-rated by so many. He lacks in the intangibles in my book. He looks pretty in there, but he does not have the fire in his belly. Heart and desire will carry you in this game. If you lack that spark in any way, you are vulnerable.

Joe has that spark. Pavlik also has that spark.

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Joe beats Pavlik like a gong and then Pavlik becomes the new Jeff Lacy.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

He doesn't have any more power then Kessler does and he's never fought anybody at Calzaghe's level. We heard the same stuff about Jeff Lacy too. Pavlik really wouldn't stand a chance against Joe.

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Kessler is a textbook guy, looks great on paper. I said this in another thread. Kessler fights like a guy who was trained to be a fighter. Pavlik is a fighter. Pavlik has 5X the meanness and intensity level of Kessler in the ring.

People call Pavlik robotic, but lets look it the truth. It is kessler who sat there round by round, doing the exact same thing against joe, afraid to devoid himself from his gameplan even though he was getting out worked plain and simple. He had no plan B, he follows textbook boxing rules and does not know or refuses to grit down.

Pavlik can square up in the middle of the ring also and jab, bomb with straight rights. If it does not work he can toss you into the rope and rip the shit out of you.

I tell you all right now. Kessler is over-rated by so many. He lacks in the intangibles in my book. He looks pretty in there, but he does not have the fire in his belly. Heart and desire will carry you in this game. If you lack that spark in any way, you are vulnerable.

Joe has that spark. Pavlik also has that spark.

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Joe beats Pavlik like a gong and then Pavlik becomes the new Jeff Lacy.

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Fanboy Blindness if you consider Pavlik anything like Jeff lacy.;D

You just proved your mindset to me.

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

Kessler is a textbook guy, looks great on paper. I said this in another thread. Kessler fights like a guy who was trained to be a fighter. Pavlik is a fighter. Pavlik has 5X the meanness and intensity level of Kessler in the ring.

People call Pavlik robotic, but lets look it the truth. It is kessler who sat there round by round, doing the exact same thing against joe, afraid to devoid himself from his gameplan even though he was getting out worked plain and simple. He had no plan B, he follows textbook boxing rules and does not know or refuses to grit down.

Pavlik can square up in the middle of the ring also and jab, bomb with straight rights. If it does not work he can toss you into the rope and rip the shit out of you.

I tell you all right now. Kessler is over-rated by so many. He lacks in the intangibles in my book. He looks pretty in there, but he does not have the fire in his belly. Heart and desire will carry you in this game. If you lack that spark in any way, you are vulnerable.

Joe has that spark. Pavlik also has that spark.

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Joe beats Pavlik like a gong and then Pavlik becomes the new Jeff Lacy.

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Fanboy Blindness if you consider Pavlik anything like Jeff lacy.;D

You just proved your mindset to me.

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Pavlik is not a gifted boxer. He comes in in straight lines and throws punches, that's it. It's only a matter of time till somebody boxes his head off.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by ICB

Hopkins won the fight IMO and he also got exposed for his lack of defense.

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agree. hopkinns gott robbed. he score a knocck down. hurt crappy in the 8thh. cal nevver hurt hop

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It's not about 'hurting' them son... this is a sport... if you tickle some one with a glass jaw you're going to 'hurt' them but does that mean that you have out worked or out boxed them?

I'd just take my lumps and give both fighters credit if I were you...

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

Calzaghe's best win was against Kessler, a rematch would be nice but i doubt Joe goes there again, he will fight Jones next and i give RJJ a real chance against a sluggish Joe Calzaghe. I'm not won over yet!

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Yes he can be up there. I see Hopkins as better than him. I think Pavlik is a way harder puncher. A way better boxer. Knows how to control the ring better. He is more adaptive. He is a hell of allot meaner. He has a better chin. He beat the boxer in the rematch by boxing. He beat the living shit out of the most feared middle weight in the world and took him on the chin numerous times and never really was hurt. Pavlik has the making of the next Hagler. He has the power. He has the skill and the chin.And he has the conditioning. But the most important thing is his will and his drive to succeed. All of that together makes a great champion if not a legend like his predecessors.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Joe beats Pavlik like a gong and then Pavlik becomes the new Jeff Lacy.

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Fanboy Blindness if you consider Pavlik anything like Jeff lacy.;D

You just proved your mindset to me.

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Pavlik is not a gifted boxer. He comes in in straight lines and throws punches, that's it. It's only a matter of time till somebody boxes his head off.

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Thats the thing.No one can. He has fought great competition and beat the ever living shit out of them. He beat Taylor who beat Hopkins twice and Wright. He out boxed a boxer and out punched the best puncher at 160 & 168.

I've never been a JC fan, in fact I was a self-proclaimed JC hater in the past lol Just everything about him didn't sit well with me. His padded record, his deluded personality and that real arrogance due to his padded CV, his technique. Everything was not to like for me.
Even when he beat Lacy it was like 'whatever'.
Then I picked Kessler against him and he boxed Kessler so well that, like Mick, I had to come back on here and give him his props. He was fantastic against a live, peak champion....but again I find myself disliking him after Saturday..He fought to a controversial decision with Bhop at age 43, he showed that piss-poor technique that Manny Steward described as ''amateur'' but i've seen Amateurs in their first fight punch better than that! He also called out Roy Jones who, if he beats, will be 40 years old. I kinda just find myself now praying that Roy Jones turns the clock back and knocks Calzaghe the fuck out. I dunno why. I think it may be due to the fact that Roy Jones is such a legend and I don't want his name on Calzaghe's CV so that he can trick people in the future into thinking that he beat the best because he certainly didn't in anybodies prime apart from Kessler.
I've tried not to feel like that and i did want Calzaghe's 'respect' streak to last more than one match with me (lol) but I just have to do a full 180 again and deny his greatness because of the above.

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

Fanboy Blindness if you consider Pavlik anything like Jeff lacy.;D

You just proved your mindset to me.

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Pavlik is not a gifted boxer. He comes in in straight lines and throws punches, that's it. It's only a matter of time till somebody boxes his head off.

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Thats the thing.No one can. He has fought great competition and beat the ever living shit out of them. He beat Taylor who beat Hopkins twice and Wright. He out boxed a boxer and out punched the best puncher at 160 & 168.

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It's only a matter of time till somebody outboxes him.

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Originally Posted by ICB

Hopkins won the fight IMO and he also got exposed for his lack of defense.

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agree. hopkinns gott robbed. he score a knocck down. hurt crappy in the 8thh. cal nevver hurt hop

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Your the dumbest fuck to walk this earth VD. You don't get hurt in a fight so that means you never lost it? Good fucking theory there tosspot!

Heres my take on who calzaghe can face:

1. RJJ, i go for calzaghe win
2. Pavlik, i go for calzghe win
3. Tarver (pointless, not much money in it and not much credit) calzaghe win
4. Dawson (time to take away dawson's 0 so he becomes the next 'jeff lacy', wait and see pre fight where all the calzaghe haters make the predictions that dawson will easily overwhelm JC, yet after the fight theyll say 'but who did dawson really fight? NAAHH...HES REALLY A BUM') calzaghe win
5. Taylor, calzaghe win, complete waste of JC's time seeing as taylor has been beaten by pavlik twice already now.

Those are the fighters who he could face. Id like to see him face 2 of those fighters:

Definately against pavlik. Pavlik is a v good fighter, hungry, powerful, exciting and great ko ratio, the clash of styles will be great to watch in the ring, if joe pulls off his slick boxing skills and combo's pavlik is in for trouble and will go down, but if pavlik can come forward and hit joe hard then joe will go down. I predict joe will tie him up in the middle of the ring like he did against lacy and fire in combos, start brawling with pavlik and be too fast for him, calzaghe to win this one. After calzaghe wins, the haters will still not rate calzaghe, theyll still find an excuse or some silly reason.

Id like him to face RJJ aswell because itll be a big money fight as it is 2 complete legends of the sport fighting against each other, something that calzaghe offered jones years ago but jones never wanted to fight him (probably not ducking joe, probably for financial reasons as it was a fight that was risky for jones yet wouldnt have had particularly much money involved so wasnt worth putting on for RJJ). Now though in millenium stadium cardiff it can be a huge fight with 70,000 fans at the stadium and millions at home. Huge payday for both fighters and a chance for RJJ if he wins to go down in the top 3 fighters of ALL TIME!!! In my opinion.

But i predict a calzaghe win and then the excuse from the haters will be that jones is past it.

One thing people seem to CONVENIENTLY FORGET PMSL IS THAT A 42 YEAR OLD HOPKINS BASHED THE SH*T OUT OF TARVER, A 41 YEAR OLD HOPKINS BASHED THE SH*T OUT OF WINKY!

Id say that at light heavy bernard is better than he was at middle weight, the fact hes 43 means he used even more dirty tactics than he did when he was younger. This was a better hopkins than the one who fought winky and tarver YET HE GOT BEAT! HE GOT BEAT BY THE

''WEAK, SLAPPING, NON STRAIGHT PUNCHING, BRAWLING WHITE BOY''

Wouldnt be ironic if the ''weak, slapping, non straight punching, brawling white boy'' turns out to beat any of the fighters america can put against him, beating the likes of eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, jones and pavlik then retire 47,0,0 undisputed champ at 2 weights, holder of the belts for 12 friggin years and 24 odd title defenses...HAHAHAHA it reminds me of something that was said in world war 2:

There is a v famous quote of a speech made by hitler and a response by winston churchill, hitler said in a speech that the nazis would crush britain as if they were ringing a chickens neck...Winston churchill cleverly replied 'HAHA, SOME CHICKEN, SOME NECK!!!'

I think that just about sums it up perfectly, if people wanna call JC a 'weak, slapping, non straight punching brawler'... then he goes and beats every single great champ in the world including the best the us has to offer aswell...i think my response is:

''HAHA, SOME WEAK, SLAPPING, NON STRAIGHT PUNCHING BRAWLER INDEED'';)

So, what would that make the people saying this garbage about joe? Well simple really, it would make them look the same as hitler did saying all the garbage to great britain...and whats that??????????????????????????????????

A HATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Heres my take on who calzaghe can face:

1. RJJ, i go for calzaghe win
2. Pavlik, i go for calzghe win
3. Tarver (pointless, not much money in it and not much credit) calzaghe win
4. Dawson (time to take away dawson's 0 so he becomes the next 'jeff lacy', wait and see pre fight where all the calzaghe haters make the predictions that dawson will easily overwhelm JC, yet after the fight theyll say 'but who did dawson really fight? NAAHH...HES REALLY A BUM') calzaghe win
5. Taylor, calzaghe win, complete waste of JC's time seeing as taylor has been beaten by pavlik twice already now.

Those are the fighters who he could face. Id like to see him face 2 of those fighters:

Definately against pavlik. Pavlik is a v good fighter, hungry, powerful, exciting and great ko ratio, the clash of styles will be great to watch in the ring, if joe pulls off his slick boxing skills and combo's pavlik is in for trouble and will go down, but if pavlik can come forward and hit joe hard then joe will go down. I predict joe will tie him up in the middle of the ring like he did against lacy and fire in combos, start brawling with pavlik and be too fast for him, calzaghe to win this one. After calzaghe wins, the haters will still not rate calzaghe, theyll still find an excuse or some silly reason.

Id like him to face RJJ aswell because itll be a big money fight as it is 2 complete legends of the sport fighting against each other, something that calzaghe offered jones years ago but jones never wanted to fight him (probably not ducking joe, probably for financial reasons as it was a fight that was risky for jones yet wouldnt have had particularly much money involved so wasnt worth putting on for RJJ). Now though in millenium stadium cardiff it can be a huge fight with 70,000 fans at the stadium and millions at home. Huge payday for both fighters and a chance for RJJ if he wins to go down in the top 3 fighters of ALL TIME!!! In my opinion.

But i predict a calzaghe win and then the excuse from the haters will be that jones is past it.

One thing people seem to CONVENIENTLY FORGET PMSL IS THAT A 42 YEAR OLD HOPKINS BASHED THE SH*T OUT OF TARVER, A 41 YEAR OLD HOPKINS BASHED THE SH*T OUT OF WINKY!

Id say that at light heavy bernard is better than he was at middle weight, the fact hes 43 means he used even more dirty tactics than he did when he was younger. This was a better hopkins than the one who fought winky and tarver YET HE GOT BEAT! HE GOT BEAT BY THE

''WEAK, SLAPPING, NON STRAIGHT PUNCHING, BRAWLING WHITE BOY''

Wouldnt be ironic if the ''weak, slapping, non straight punching, brawling white boy'' turns out to beat any of the fighters america can put against him, beating the likes of eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, jones and pavlik then retire 47,0,0 undisputed champ at 2 weights, holder of the belts for 12 friggin years and 24 odd title defenses...HAHAHAHA it reminds me of something that was said in world war 2:

There is a v famous quote of a speech made by hitler and a response by winston churchill, hitler said in a speech that the nazis would crush britain as if they were ringing a chickens neck...Winston churchill cleverly replied 'HAHA, SOME CHICKEN, SOME NECK!!!'

I think that just about sums it up perfectly, if people wanna call JC a 'weak, slapping, non straight punching brawler'... then he goes and beats every single great champ in the world including the best the us has to offer aswell...i think my response is:

''HAHA, SOME WEAK, SLAPPING, NON STRAIGHT PUNCHING BRAWLER INDEED'';)

So, what would that make the people saying this garbage about joe? Well simple really, it would make them look the same as hitler did saying all the garbage to great britain...and whats that??????????????????????????????????

A HATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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For a minute......You had some credit.:-X Your caught up on the "hater" mantra my man.?

Not saying your one of the haters mate:)

Of course we can have an opinion on who will win a fight. Of course someone isnt a hater if they dont think calzaghe will win, thats not what im saying at all mate.

Id say calzaghe vs pavlik is 62/38 in calzaghes favour. Thats mainly because of the style clashes suiting joe.

Id say calzaghe vs jones is 60/40 in calzaghes favour.

BUT id say that a peak RJJ vs a peak JC (what we saw in the lacy fight) would be one hell of a fight, infact make that a totally unbelievable match up! I dont know how the styles would clash except there would be action involved, in terms of the way the fight would go im tempted to say it is 60/40 in RJJ's favour but im also tempted to say 50/50 aswell because i wouldnt have been suprised at all if calzaghe won that (at his prime aswell).

So i'll split and say it would be 55/45 in RJJ favour of winning that match up if it occured.

But would i mean by 'hater' is letting prejudices get in the way of judging an athlete.

For instance, i think JC would beat pavlik, 60/40 chance in my opinion, perhaps slightly higher...but if JC gets beaten by pavlik then i will not dislike pavlik (i like pavlik as a fighter anyway), i will rate him higher than JC and will definately retract my words about JC being better than pavlik...thats how i work.

I think if someone is calling a 45,0,0 fighter a 'weak, slapping, non straight punching, lucky brawler', it stinks of hate all over it. Afterall how can someone with the record of joe's and opponents hes fought be called that?

He can be criticised for throwing light flurries of punches at times, sure he can! But a 'weak, slapping, non straight punching, lucky brawler':confused::o thats pathetic.

It like saying that ali was a p*ssy because he had his jaw broke...its nonsensicle, only an ali hater would say that.

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Definately against pavlik. Pavlik is a v good fighter, hungry, powerful, exciting and great ko ratio, the clash of styles will be great to watch in the ring, if joe pulls off his slick boxing skills and combo's pavlik is in for trouble and will go down, but if pavlik can come forward and hit joe hard then joe will go down. I predict joe will tie him up in the middle of the ring like he did against lacy and fire in combos, start brawling with pavlik and be too fast for him, calzaghe to win this one. After calzaghe wins, the haters will still not rate calzaghe, theyll still find an excuse or some silly !

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I think you're slighty deluded if you think that Calzaghe's best chance of beating Pavlik is to 'brawl' with him. He'll get knocked the fuck out.
I think he beats Pavlik with his speed and footwork but Calzaghe isn't going to come close to 'putting him down'.

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Definately against pavlik. Pavlik is a v good fighter, hungry, powerful, exciting and great ko ratio, the clash of styles will be great to watch in the ring, if joe pulls off his slick boxing skills and combo's pavlik is in for trouble and will go down, but if pavlik can come forward and hit joe hard then joe will go down. I predict joe will tie him up in the middle of the ring like he did against lacy and fire in combos, start brawling with pavlik and be too fast for him, calzaghe to win this one. After calzaghe wins, the haters will still not rate calzaghe, theyll still find an excuse or some silly !

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I think you're slighty deluded if you think that Calzaghe's best chance of beating Pavlik is to 'brawl' with him. He'll get knocked the fuck out.
I think he beats Pavlik with his speed and footwork but Calzaghe isn't going to come close to 'putting him down'.

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I think you should watch the taylor pavlik first fight. Look what happened when taylor and pavlik went at it in the middle of the ring against each other. Pavlik's defence let him down and he was floored in second round!

People said exactly the same thing about byron mitchell...look what happened;)

People said exactly the same thing about lacy...'for heavens sake calzaghe, you mustnt go and brawl with him'...so what did calzaghe do??? He ran straight in and started brawling with him in the middle of the ring...then look what happened;)

Calzaghe loves to brawl more than 99% of other fighters, the guy is like a gypsy boxer, watch his fights and youll see he loves to come in for a brawl. Thats exactly the reason i like him so much as he can fight at range and brawl and counter aswell.

You think it will be a mistake for calzaghe to brawl in the middle with pavlik like taylor did (when he floored him in the second round)?

Maybe it will be a mistake, but we'll have to wait n see...all i can say is that people all screamed 'dont brawl' with byron mitchell, then they all screamed 'dont brawl' with lacy...the rest is history;)

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Definately against pavlik. Pavlik is a v good fighter, hungry, powerful, exciting and great ko ratio, the clash of styles will be great to watch in the ring, if joe pulls off his slick boxing skills and combo's pavlik is in for trouble and will go down, but if pavlik can come forward and hit joe hard then joe will go down. I predict joe will tie him up in the middle of the ring like he did against lacy and fire in combos, start brawling with pavlik and be too fast for him, calzaghe to win this one. After calzaghe wins, the haters will still not rate calzaghe, theyll still find an excuse or some silly !

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I think you're slighty deluded if you think that Calzaghe's best chance of beating Pavlik is to 'brawl' with him. He'll get knocked the fuck out.
I think he beats Pavlik with his speed and footwork but Calzaghe isn't going to come close to 'putting him down'.

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I think you should watch the taylor pavlik first fight. Look what happened when taylor and pavlik went at it in the middle of the ring against each other. Pavlik's defence let him down and he was floored in second round!

People said exactly the same thing about byron mitchell...look what happened;)

People said exactly the same thing about lacy...'for heavens sake calzaghe, you mustnt go and brawl with him'...so what did calzaghe do??? He ran straight in and started brawling with him in the middle of the ring...then look what happened;)

Calzaghe loves to brawl more than 99% of other fighters, the guy is like a gypsy boxer, watch his fights and youll see he loves to come in for a brawl. Thats exactly the reason i like him so much as he can fight at range and brawl and counter aswell.

You think it will be a mistake for calzaghe to brawl in the middle with pavlik like taylor did (when he floored him in the second round)?

Maybe it will be a mistake, but we'll have to wait n see...all i can say is that people all screamed 'dont brawl' with byron mitchell, then they all screamed 'dont brawl' with lacy...the rest is history;)

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I agree Calzaghe does seem to love to trade shots in the middle of the ring IMO the reason he has been so successful at it is his hand speed and volume of punches though...He does not really hit that hard...he is not a KO puncher until the punches start to pile up does he usually stop a guy...Thing is though what will ahppen against a young guy who can stay in there and trade the volume with him?....Hasn't happened yet but just a what if you have to question....

IMO to stand and trade with Kelly would be a mistake for him big time simply because of that reason...lack of power....I don't know if he can make Kelly respect his punches enough to keep him honest so to speak...

Either way though I still go with Joe....He always seems to pull it out and no one ever seems to give him the credit for it ?

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He does not really hit that hard...he is not a KO puncher until the punches start to pile up does he usually stop a guy...Thing is though what will ahppen against a young guy who can stay in there and trade the volume with him?....Hasn't happened yet but just a what if you have to question....

IMO to stand and trade with Kelly would be a mistake for him big time simply because of that reason...lack of power....I don't know if he can make Kelly respect his punches enough to keep him honest so to speak...

Either way though I still go with Joe....He always seems to pull it out and no one ever seems to give him the credit for it ?

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Exactly my point. London BB you mention Byron Mitchell but Byron Mitchell also knocked down Calzaghe..believe me if Pavlik knocks him down he's not getting back up like he did against Byron.
The Lacy fight was just accumulation and I don't consider that a brawl because Lacy was throwing one shot at a time whilst Calzaghe was using angles. You can't have a 'brawl' throwing one punch at a time.

Finally, Daxx, I did give Joe credit after the Kessler win..I was really impressed and said that he was the real deal. I said that he probably always was but didn't have the competition to show it. After the Bhop fight though, it just kinda reminded me about the things I used to hate about Calzaghe. The slappy punches, the rushing in with no defence etc. I don't know whether that's testament to Bhop for making him look ugly. Calzaghe seems to be one of those classic 'best form of defence is offence' kind of guys because he seemed against Bhop to have no defence beyond his punches.
Roll on Roy Jones Vs Calzaghe I guess..