Nationalism in opinions on fighters and fights

Since that i saw this Thread i knew that these could happen , i really don't like this , this is a Topic that a lot of people cant assimilate and cant make his expression at the correct way , before i made a Thread with just one Question without referring to and some friends took it at the wrong way and created an big issue and after that i deleted it , so is good sometimes to see how peoples think about different Themes , but when the thread is getting too far is better to stop........and have some Fun in Boxing Forums and that is what we are talking about BOXING......;D

GOOD LUCKS MY FRIENDS.............:cool:

Honestly, I have no bias towards nationality. Just check out my favorite fighters list.

Julius fave fighter:
Pacquiao
Donaire
Penalosa
Concepcion
Banal
Bautista
Elorde

Also to further prove I have em not bias for my own race, just check out my opinions.

Pac can' beat the shyt out of ali in 1 and a half round

Donaire would ktfo tyson in 2 seconds

Jack Johnson is Penalosa's towel boy.

See nothing exagerated and are all facts ;)

:D

p.s. sugar ray robinson can't wear elorde's g-string ;D

:lol:

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Honestly, I have no bias towards nationality. Just check out my favorite fighters list.

Julius fave fighter:
Pacquiao
Donaire
Penalosa
Concepcion
Banal
Bautista
Elorde

Also to further prove I have em not bias for my own race, just check out my opinions.

Pac can' beat the shyt out of ali in 1 and a half round

Donaire would ktfo tyson in 2 seconds

Jack Johnson is Penalosa's towel boy.

See nothing exagerated and are all facts ;)

:D

p.s. sugar ray robinson can't wear elorde's g-string ;D

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;D LOLOLOL , :lol::appl::lolhaha::banana::coolclick::thumb::bee rchug::lolololol:

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Honestly, I have no bias towards nationality. Just check out my favorite fighters list.

Julius fave fighter:
Pacquiao
Donaire
Penalosa
Concepcion
Banal
Bautista
Elorde

Also to further prove I have em not bias for my own race, just check out my opinions.

Pac can' beat the shyt out of ali in 1 and a half round

Donaire would ktfo tyson in 2 seconds

Jack Johnson is Penalosa's towel boy.

See nothing exagerated and are all facts ;)

:D

p.s. sugar ray robinson can't wear elorde's g-string ;D

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lol! ;D

You forgot to add the other 2 reigning world champs. Nietes and Condes.

Who will they beat?.. Valuev and Kimbo Slice? :cwm27:

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Honestly, I have no bias towards nationality. Just check out my favorite fighters list.

Julius fave fighter:
Pacquiao
Donaire
Penalosa
Concepcion
Banal
Bautista
Elorde

Also to further prove I have em not bias for my own race, just check out my opinions.

Pac can' beat the shyt out of ali in 1 and a half round

Donaire would ktfo tyson in 2 seconds

Jack Johnson is Penalosa's towel boy.

See nothing exagerated and are all facts ;)

:D

p.s. sugar ray robinson can't wear elorde's g-string ;D

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:lol::lol: Good stuff Julius.....

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Do you see this too? Are you guilty of it? Do you discount anyones opinion because of it?

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Boxing has always been an ethnic/nationalistic sport, and it always will be. There's no problem whatsoever with brits who root for British fighters, or people of Mexican descent rooting for Mexican/Mexican-American fighters, Puerto Ricans rooting for PR fighters.... that's part of what makes boxing great and what makes fans so passionate. That's what makes the Filipino/Mexican crowds at the great featherweight matchups so great, or PR fans filling up MSG for Tito/Cotto, thousands coming to Vegas to watch Hatton, etc.

Obviously there's a line that some people cross. It's great to show passion for your countrymen, but you've got to still be intelligent enough to respect the talent and skill of the guys you're not rooting for. Some people are obviously not smart enough to do that.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Do you see this too? Are you guilty of it? Do you discount anyones opinion because of it?

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Boxing has always been an ethnic/nationalistic sport, and it always will be. There's no problem whatsoever with brits who root for British fighters, or people of Mexican descent rooting for Mexican/Mexican-American fighters, Puerto Ricans rooting for PR fighters.... that's part of what makes boxing great and what makes fans so passionate. That's what makes the Filipino/Mexican crowds at the great featherweight matchups so great, or PR fans filling up MSG for Tito/Cotto, thousands coming to Vegas to watch Hatton, etc.

Obviously there's a line that some people cross. It's great to show passion for your countrymen, but you've got to still be intelligent enough to respect the talent and skill of the guys you're not rooting for. Some people are obviously not smart enough to do that.

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Very true.

Good posting. Have some reps.

At the moment theres a Mongolian Im a big fan of , The only time Ive ever seen Mongolia is from the top of a very Big hill :rolleyes: ;D

Boo hoo.

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Originally Posted by Scrap

At the moment theres a Mongolian Im a big fan of , The only time Ive ever seen Mongolia is from the top of a very Big hill :rolleyes: ;D

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Hey!!! Leave us Mongolians alone:mad:....

Were just still so happy to be our own people again:D.....

Though all our land together is about as useful as Iowa after a tornado:(

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Do you see this too? Are you guilty of it? Do you discount anyones opinion because of it?

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Boxing has always been an ethnic/nationalistic sport, and it always will be. There's no problem whatsoever with brits who root for British fighters, or people of Mexican descent rooting for Mexican/Mexican-American fighters, Puerto Ricans rooting for PR fighters.... that's part of what makes boxing great and what makes fans so passionate. That's what makes the Filipino/Mexican crowds at the great featherweight matchups so great, or PR fans filling up MSG for Tito/Cotto, thousands coming to Vegas to watch Hatton, etc.

Obviously there's a line that some people cross. It's great to show passion for your countrymen, but you've got to still be intelligent enough to respect the talent and skill of the guys you're not rooting for. Some people are obviously not smart enough to do that.

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I second the motion.;D

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Originally Posted by Scrap

At the moment theres a Mongolian Im a big fan of , The only time Ive ever seen Mongolia is from the top of a very Big hill :rolleyes: ;D

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;D



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W27wB...eature=related

Have to agree.:cool:

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Do you see this too? Are you guilty of it? Do you discount anyones opinion because of it?

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Boxing has always been an ethnic/nationalistic sport, and it always will be. There's no problem whatsoever with brits who root for British fighters, or people of Mexican descent rooting for Mexican/Mexican-American fighters, Puerto Ricans rooting for PR fighters.... that's part of what makes boxing great and what makes fans so passionate. That's what makes the Filipino/Mexican crowds at the great featherweight matchups so great, or PR fans filling up MSG for Tito/Cotto, thousands coming to Vegas to watch Hatton, etc.

Obviously there's a line that some people cross. It's great to show passion for your countrymen, but you've got to still be intelligent enough to respect the talent and skill of the guys you're not rooting for. Some people are obviously not smart enough to do that.

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wouldnt happen to be reffering to the brits booing of the US national anthem there are you??

Just for the record on that very night i had lads all around me jeering along with the thousands inside the MGM at stars and stripes yet even being totally wasted i realised how utterly tasteless that was and offensive to our american hosts.

I would refer to the football culture us brits experience on a regular basis though. When our national sides play abroad "god save the queen" is persistently frowned upon in other nations and heckled.

No excuse whatsoever i know. But it may just explain why the british fight fans inside the MGM that night felt it apt to jeer the supposed oppositions national anthem rather than just stay silent!!

Interesting thread. I usually go for the underdog . If not I have my have favourites which isnt usually based on nationalism but I would prefer a Brit to beat a non Brit . Here are some example exceptions .

Barrera vs Paul Lloyd
Barrera vs Wenton
Barrera vs Naseem

Cant think of anymore ;D

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Originally Posted by Jesse James

I'm not a racist, but I'll never let a black person beat me in a debate.

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im not a racist because i have a gang,,

we even got a treehouse,, and u know what one day me and my homie edwardo snuck into my neighbours mr hendersons house and actually stole a pack of his cigarettes,,we may even smoke em one day.

we also have an aspiring rap trio it consists of tinkywinky,j cloth and bustabloodvessel,we have an awesome arsenal of sticks n stones and plasters.

peace out,,word up yo yo dawwgg n all that shit!

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brad pitt is a tit
richard gere is a q,,,,??

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Do you see this too? Are you guilty of it? Do you discount anyones opinion because of it?

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Boxing has always been an ethnic/nationalistic sport, and it always will be. There's no problem whatsoever with brits who root for British fighters, or people of Mexican descent rooting for Mexican/Mexican-American fighters, Puerto Ricans rooting for PR fighters.... that's part of what makes boxing great and what makes fans so passionate. That's what makes the Filipino/Mexican crowds at the great featherweight matchups so great, or PR fans filling up MSG for Tito/Cotto, thousands coming to Vegas to watch Hatton, etc.

Obviously there's a line that some people cross. It's great to show passion for your countrymen, but you've got to still be intelligent enough to respect the talent and skill of the guys you're not rooting for. Some people are obviously not smart enough to do that.

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wouldnt happen to be reffering to the brits booing of the US national anthem there are you??

Just for the record on that very night i had lads all around me jeering along with the thousands inside the MGM at stars and stripes yet even being totally wasted i realised how utterly tasteless that was and offensive to our american hosts.

I would refer to the football culture us brits experience on a regular basis though. When our national sides play abroad "god save the queen" is persistently frowned upon in other nations and heckled.

No excuse whatsoever i know. But it may just explain why the british fight fans inside the MGM that night felt it apt to jeer the supposed oppositions national anthem rather than just stay silent!!

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its called self deprecation,we wrote it!

we probably realised how shit it actually is

we gave them a lot u know(even jerry springer),,obesity and friendly fire is all theres though.

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Originally Posted by Jesse James

I'm not a racist, but I'll never let a black person beat me in a debate.

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im not a racist because i have a gang,,

we even got a treehouse,, and u know what one day me and my homie edwardo snuck into my neighbours mr hendersons house and actually stole a pack of his cigarettes,,we may even smoke em one day.

we also have an aspiring rap trio it consists of tinkywinky,j cloth and bustabloodvessel,we have an awesome arsenal of sticks n stones and plasters.

peace out,,word up yo yo dawwgg n all that shit!

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brad pitt is a tit
richard gere is a q,,,,??

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You really are a clown.

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Originally Posted by 1g5a22

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Originally Posted by Jesse James

I'm not a racist, but I'll never let a black person beat me in a debate.

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im not a racist because i have a gang,,

we even got a treehouse,, and u know what one day me and my homie edwardo snuck into my neighbours mr hendersons house and actually stole a pack of his cigarettes,,we may even smoke em one day.

we also have an aspiring rap trio it consists of tinkywinky,j cloth and bustabloodvessel,we have an awesome arsenal of sticks n stones and plasters.

peace out,,word up yo yo dawwgg n all that shit!

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brad pitt is a tit
richard gere is a q,,,,??

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You really are a clown.

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im not,im aquarius

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Well someone had to say it, it had to be said....As I am a "noob" on the forum I dont know if this has been brought up. But, as I read through posts and opinions, I see alot of people over stating a fighters abilities or maybe discounting another fighters skills, then I see that they have a flag of their fighters home country. I've seen it alot on the Calzaghe fight pretty much a white - black thing on that one; I myself am guilty of it with the up coming Cotto V. Margarito fight (look through any post on this fight and youll see where my loyalty lies.)
I dont really think its a discrimination or racism thing, I see it as more of a pride and Nationalistic thing.

Do you see this too? Are you guilty of it? Do you discount anyones opinion because of it?

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I try to respond to what is said as opposed to who said it; this latter point is a common response by many posters. I know analyzing a fight can be influenced by one's nationality, but that is not all that may cause one to show bias, such as dislike of a boxer's personality or other factors. It's just not an exact science. My experience in the rhetorical arts leads me to recommend that posters focus on the logic (or lack thereof) of what is said, as opposed to who said it and who it was said about.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

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Originally Posted by 1g5a22

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Originally Posted by Jesse James

I'm not a racist, but I'll never let a black person beat me in a debate.

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im not a racist because i have a gang,,

we even got a treehouse,, and u know what one day me and my homie edwardo snuck into my neighbours mr hendersons house and actually stole a pack of his cigarettes,,we may even smoke em one day.

we also have an aspiring rap trio it consists of tinkywinky,j cloth and bustabloodvessel,we have an awesome arsenal of sticks n stones and plasters.

peace out,,word up yo yo dawwgg n all that shit!

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brad pitt is a tit
richard gere is a q,,,,??

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You really are a clown.

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There are many valid points already discussed on here and pretty much all angles covered.

People obviously want to see their countrymen do well, in whatever sport that is happening but I think boxing is slightly different. At least amongst the real fans who respect that boxers have alot of guts and courage to get in a ring to have someone try punch their head off. There are obviously the tools out there with not many brain cells who want to see someone get battered to near death, and also want a fighter to get their country one up on another they for some reason unknown hate.

However I feel that actual boxing fans, or most of them, although they might not like a specific boxer for any given reason, they still respect the fact they are putting everythin on the line to be in that ring. This can't really be said for any other sport. In football (or soccer) I follow my team with a passion and I hate the clubs rivals team, will call them all sorts of names, but that is only about the club as a whole, i'll still respect the kind of football they play and some of their talented players. Others may not be so kind.

For me with boxing I have some element of routing for the UK fighter, but not always. In most cases i like to route for the underdog. However, whoever i route for does not cloud my judgement on who i think will win.

For example i really wanted Hatton to beat Mayweather, I even jumped on the bandwaggon and had a bet on him. Not because I thought he would win, I always thought Mayweather would, but I had that 'what if' feeling. I think I got caught up with the hype in essence, but this didn't cloud my judgement.

I still don't particularly like some UK fighters though, as i mentioned earlier for different reasons. I am not a huge fan of Carl Froch for instance, just due to his personality, shouting his mouth about being better than Calzaghe despite stepping up to world class level. And I am not a big fan of Amir Khan due to the fact of his calibre of opposition and his claims of becoming the youngest british world champion. I am however a big fan of Hatton and Haye and on the world scene Cotto. But this is due to their fighting styles and attitudes.

This tells me I like fighters with ambition who go after exactly what they want.

But I also like close, decent fights where either fighter has a good chance to win. I also try to stay as unbiased as possible, except maybe with Hatton and Haye ;)

This weekends fight is perfect example of Nationalism crreping into peoples minds, getting in the way of sound logic and judgement. Heck I wrote the ost and I'm feeling very nationalistic for this weekends fight!

I believe that usually there is Nationalism in boxing and any other sport, with some exeptions of course. Just look at my Nick and you can make your own conclusions. However, I try to remain objective (sometimes can fail as any human), as an example I won some bets with Finito Lopez when he fought Alex "El Nene" Sanchez and Hammed vs. Wilfredo Vazquez because I new that those were practically impossible wins for the Puertoricans. I actually took advantage of the nationalism of some people at my country.

That nationalism makes the adrenaline flow and this weekend I can anticipate a lot of adrenaline at Puerto Rico and Mexico. This will make us remind some great fighters such as Wilfredo Gomez and Salvador Sanchez. This surely will be a great fight where the best man will win (Cotto of course ;D)

I think subconsiously people tend to back fighters of there of race they definatly show nationalistic biast. But people tend to fall in love with fighters pretty early in seeing them. The first time i see Mike McCallum i was hooked on Mike. Its the second and thrid fighters people like that have a gimmick like power or a hard luck story the fans of those guy tend to be quite rabbid.

If we speak about nationalism we need to speak about Tito. This 100 * 35 miles island with ~3.8 million people paralized everytime Tito fought, and the day after his victories were a national celebration. It was crazy how the airport got crowded and all streets in San Juan (PR capital) we totally jammed in traffic receiving the champ.

The most difficult moment was his first lost with Hopkins, where I (and many people) :eek:

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I think subconsiously people tend to back fighters of there of race they definatly show nationalistic biast. But people tend to fall in love with fighters pretty early in seeing them. The first time i see Mike McCallum i was hooked on Mike. Its the second and thrid fighters people like that have a gimmick like power or a hard luck story the fans of those guy tend to be quite rabbid.

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That's true its very hard to not want to support the guy who has been through alot and believe he deserves it more or wants it more. Saying that now has made me even realize how the Countdown to Cotto V Margarito on HBO made me an even more of a die hard supporter of Margarito seeing where he grew up and the story with his brother. That alone makes me want it more for him.

i will always support a countryman unless he is a jerk.

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

i will always support a countryman unless he is a jerk.

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Guess thats why neither Hopkins nor Mayweather could sell ppv without having a *name* to fight.

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i will always support a countryman unless he is a jerk.

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Guess thats why neither Hopkins nor Mayweather could sell ppv without having a *name* to fight.

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Not necessarily, all of us Filipinos LOVE the PACMAN but he also needs big name fighters to sell PPV.

Yet again, I get into a good thread late!

I don't think there is anything wrong with backing a fighter of your nationality. Just as long as if a debate comes up, people don't look through tunnel vision and can take the points against their fighter with respect.

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

Yet again, I get into a good thread late!

I don't think there is anything wrong with backing a fighter of your nationality. Just as long as if a debate comes up, people don't look through tunnel vision and can take the points against their fighter with respect.

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Well thats the whole problem with it. I've seen and been guilty of it myself. And I am seeing it and perhaps doing the same for this next big one!!