Hatton Vs Witter.Who wins? POLL,VOTE NOW.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Right, I'm not going to get too involved here, because frankly I'm annoyed.

Hatton has been beaten once by Mayweather, stopped once by the best fighter in the world.

He had been down once before that, ibn a fight which he dominated after that really.

Hatton has a rock hard chin at 140, what is Witter going to do that will allow him to KO ricky:rolleyes:

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mate i know exactly where your coming from

before the floyd fight people were talking about ricky in terms of being one of the P4P all time greats.

he gets beat once, moves to 43-1 and now all of a sudden theres questions over his chin, workrate, stamina even how he bulks up between fights.

Fact still remains that the guy is one of the best in the business, has fought and easily beaten fighters within witters class range and will do so again.

Yes im a massive hatton fan who loves seeing the bloke do well, but im also a keen boxing enthusiast who follows the 140+ divisions with a keen interest and hatton is still one of the all time best in the business!!

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Thats correct, he was outboxed and outclassed at 147, by a great fighter, but at 140, he too is a great fighter.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Those fights were at similar times.

But If you'd like additional proof of this point, you can see Hatton dredge it out with wins over Urango, Tackie and Collazo.

Junior has looked shaky in himself every time he's not having things his own way.

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I think Hatton is a terrific fighter.

Your comparison is rubbish. The circumstances are completely different. Look over it for yourself if you don't believe me.

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I saw Witter intimidated out of the fight.

I saw the very presence of Judah preventing Junior from exerting himself, out of fear for his safety. I saw Judah allow the fight to be taken because he was afraid.

I saw Hatton down in the first round, rocked several times outboxing Magee for a win.

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Right. And if Hatton was matched with Judah on a weeks notice (laughable ;D) you would have seen Hatton lying in the middlle of the ring unconcious.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think Hatton is a terrific fighter.

Your comparison is rubbish. The circumstances are completely different. Look over it for yourself if you don't believe me.

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I saw Witter intimidated out of the fight.

I saw the very presence of Judah preventing Junior from exerting himself, out of fear for his safety. I saw Judah allow the fight to be taken because he was afraid.

I saw Hatton down in the first round, rocked several times outboxing Magee for a win.

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Right. And if Hatton was matched with Judah on a weeks notice (laughable ;D) you would have seen Hatton lying in the middlle of the ring unconcious.

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That "week" is one of the greatest myths in boxing.
When I first heard that story it was seven weeks.
Then Judah lost, the Witter fans got a little embarassed so it became 5 weeks.
Then a Hatton match became a focal point, it's speculated that Junior had 3 weeks to prepare.
Now it's become a week;D

Tell me this; before the fight did Junior and his trainer claim they were ready for the fight? or did they say; "well we only had a week to train so we're gonna get beat;D"

Furthermore, since Witter claims he's "a;ways in shape" for fights, as he did when lobbying to fight Hatton in May, should he not have been in shape anyway for the Judah fight?
Or was Junior lying:o:o:o

You know as well as I do Fenster, that Hatton would never have got into the ring on anything shorter than 3 months notice, not only because of his lefestyle and his essential weight shedding training camps, but also because Warren was protecting him like a star and calculated every fighht he ever managed him in.

Jason Rowlands, who was set to face Judah, pulled out with about 9 days to go. Witter took the fight at short notice because of money. Simple as.

As you said - Hatton was protected. Witter was not. Witter had to graft his way to the top. A boxing man as yourself should admire the likes of Witter, donny.

If Hatton had been thrown in with Zab you wouldn't be a fan of his now. Because Hatton would be working in his local pulling pints ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think Hatton is a terrific fighter.

Your comparison is rubbish. The circumstances are completely different. Look over it for yourself if you don't believe me.

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I saw Witter intimidated out of the fight.

I saw the very presence of Judah preventing Junior from exerting himself, out of fear for his safety. I saw Judah allow the fight to be taken because he was afraid.

I saw Hatton down in the first round, rocked several times outboxing Magee for a win.

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Right. And if Hatton was matched with Judah on a weeks notice (laughable ;D) you would have seen Hatton lying in the middlle of the ring unconcious.

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I very much doubt that. Judah folds under pressure even easier than your boyfriend does ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Jason Rowlands, who was set to face Judah, pulled out with about 9 days to go. Witter took the fight at short notice because of money. Simple as.

As you said - Hatton was protected. Witter was not. Witter had to graft his way to the top. A boxing man as yourself should admire the likes of Witter, donny.

If Hatton had been thrown in with Zab you wouldn't be a fan of his now. Because Hatton would be working in his local pulling pints ;)

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Fenster, the 9 days is untrue.
As I said, when I first heard that it was weeks, now it has reduced to days.:confused: How would a fighter make weight in 9 days?

Witter took the fight assured everyone that he was in shape and then bombed out, because he was so psychologically imature as a fighter than.

I don't admire any fighter who doesn't prepare adequatly and if Junior claims he wasn't prepared, then thats his fault. When preparing for a world title shot, you have a training camp and prepare accordingly.

As I said, Hatton would have been in training camp before that fight. He never would have been suilly enough to take a fight like that at short notice nor would his weight allow that.

And we all saw what Hatton did to Jason Rowland.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Jason Rowlands, who was set to face Judah, pulled out with about 9 days to go. Witter took the fight at short notice because of money. Simple as.

As you said - Hatton was protected. Witter was not. Witter had to graft his way to the top. A boxing man as yourself should admire the likes of Witter, donny.

If Hatton had been thrown in with Zab you wouldn't be a fan of his now. Because Hatton would be working in his local pulling pints ;)

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Fenster, the 9 days is untrue.
As I said, when I first heard that it was weeks, now it has reduced to days.:confused: How would a fighter make weight in 9 days?

Witter took the fight assured everyone that he was in shape and then bombed out, because he was so psychologically imature as a fighter than.

I don't admire any fighter who doesn't prepare adequatly and if Junior claims he wasn't prepared, then thats his fault. When preparing for a world title shot, you have a training camp and prepare accordingly.

As I said, Hatton would have been in training camp before that fight. He never would have been suilly enough to take a fight like that at short notice nor would his weight allow that.

And we all saw what Hatton did to Jason Rowland.

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So it's UNTRUE Jason Rowland was meant to fight Judah? :confused:

Truth is donny, I don't think you have a clue about any of this. So let me help you -

BBC News | SPORT | British champ leads Tyson undercard

And here's a Witter quote about the Zab fight -

It was a shot in the dark. During my first few years as a pro, I was struggling like mad financially, so when the shot came about it meant a really big payday. I thought: if I don't take it, I've got nothing - all my savings were gone and all my loans were on top of me. As far as the fight went, I didn't have enough experience. I wasn't even British champion and I had nine days to prepare for a shot at Judah, one of the best fighters in the world. I lost on points, but I learned so much. It taught me that I deserved to be at that level.

Small talk: Junior Witter | Sport | guardian.co.uk

That article was posted 19 days before the fight, so even if Jason pulled out the next day and Witter called in immediately, he'd have 18 days maximum. Good evidence for your point.

Witter HAD to take that fight, very very few fighters have the backing Hatton had during his career, being able to call the shots about every detail of a fight before even becoming a national champion. Granted Hatton's personality and approachability contributed a lot for that to be possible, but he did have it easier than most, he had 30 odd fights with just one of them being debatable top10 (tackie) then got the no.1 fighter in the division gift wrapped in his home town, yet his advisor had the audacity to claim Warren was doing a bad job.

As for some of Witter's performances, every fighter has off days, he's probably stuggled against the likes of Kotelnik due to lack of motivation, just as Hatton struggled with Collazo and Urango, even though he had the motivation to win belts in those instances.

I'm picking Witter to win now just due to current form. You may able to gloss over Hatton's last fight due to the competitio he was fighting, but truth be told he's been anything but convincing since Kostya. Castillo at that point in time was NOT a genuine threat, the result of the fight proved it, it was Rickys easiest fight of probably his last 20.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Jason Rowlands, who was set to face Judah, pulled out with about 9 days to go. Witter took the fight at short notice because of money. Simple as.

As you said - Hatton was protected. Witter was not. Witter had to graft his way to the top. A boxing man as yourself should admire the likes of Witter, donny.

If Hatton had been thrown in with Zab you wouldn't be a fan of his now. Because Hatton would be working in his local pulling pints ;)

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Fenster, the 9 days is untrue.
As I said, when I first heard that it was weeks, now it has reduced to days.:confused: How would a fighter make weight in 9 days?

Witter took the fight assured everyone that he was in shape and then bombed out, because he was so psychologically imature as a fighter than.

I don't admire any fighter who doesn't prepare adequatly and if Junior claims he wasn't prepared, then thats his fault. When preparing for a world title shot, you have a training camp and prepare accordingly.

As I said, Hatton would have been in training camp before that fight. He never would have been suilly enough to take a fight like that at short notice nor would his weight allow that.

And we all saw what Hatton did to Jason Rowland.

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So it's UNTRUE Jason Rowland was meant to fight Judah? :confused:

Truth is donny, I don't think you have a clue about any of this. So let me help you -

BBC News | SPORT | British champ leads Tyson undercard

And here's a Witter quote about the Zab fight -

It was a shot in the dark. During my first few years as a pro, I was struggling like mad financially, so when the shot came about it meant a really big payday. I thought: if I don't take it, I've got nothing - all my savings were gone and all my loans were on top of me. As far as the fight went, I didn't have enough experience. I wasn't even British champion and I had nine days to prepare for a shot at Judah, one of the best fighters in the world. I lost on points, but I learned so much. It taught me that I deserved to be at that level.

Small talk: Junior Witter | Sport | guardian.co.uk

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Humour me.
Witter is a fighter who claims to always in shape.
Am I right or wrong?

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Humour me.
Witter is a fighter who claims to always in shape.
Am I right or wrong?

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Come on Donny, I think we all know theres a difference in always being in shape and being ready for a fight against a p4p ranked fighter in 9 days

How do you think hatton would have done back then with 9 days against KT?

For the record I always thought Witter offered nothing to hatton back then the domestic scene was great and Hatton fought Thaxton, Magee and Jason Rowland, Witter would have been a step back and I think Hatton would have beat him in a good but one sided fight

I still think Hatton will still win but for Witter brings a lot more to the table now

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Originally Posted by sonny78

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Humour me.
Witter is a fighter who claims to always in shape.
Am I right or wrong?

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Come on Donny, I think we all know theres a difference in always being in shape and being ready for a fight against a p4p ranked fighter in 9 days

How do you think hatton would have done back then with 9 days against KT?

For the record I always thought Witter offered nothing to hatton back then the domestic scene was great and Hatton fought Thaxton, Magee and Jason Rowland, Witter would have been a step back and I think Hatton would have beat him in a good but one sided fight

I still think Hatton will still win but for Witter brings a lot more to the table now

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I'm just quoting Witter.

He claimed he was in the correct shape before the Judah fight and when he tried to insinuate himself asa Hatton opponent earlier this year he said he is always ready to fight, because he stays in such excellent shape.
He then proceeded to disrespect hatton for letting himself baloon between fights.

Thats correct isn't it?

What's your point donny? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Fenster

What's your point donny? :rolleyes:

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My point is, if a fighter enters a fight, convincing the media that he's had enough time to train and he is ready, it's completely hypocritical to reflect on the loss and blame it on lack of preparation.

Hatton does to Witter what Witter did to Vivian Harris;);D

At the end of the day, Witter is a capable fighter and in my mind will extend Hatton.

However, MaB vs. Naz springs to mind.

Educated pressure wrecks the switch hitters balance and throws him of his game.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Fenster

What's your point donny? :rolleyes:

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My point is, if a fighter enters a fight, convincing the media that he's had enough time to train and he is ready, it's completely hypocritical to reflect on the loss and blame it on lack of preparation.

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;D

Convince the media? This was an undercard fight to Tyson-Savereasy. Witter HELPED "save" the show.

It seems as though you don't understand the class gap between inexperienced Brit level and genuine "world" championship level.

Not everyone gets the silverspoon pampered treatment in life, donny. Some people HAVE TO take the CHANCE when it arrives ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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What's your point donny? :rolleyes:

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My point is, if a fighter enters a fight, convincing the media that he's had enough time to train and he is ready, it's completely hypocritical to reflect on the loss and blame it on lack of preparation.

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;D

Convince the media? This was an undercard fight to Tyson-Savereasy. Witter HELPED "save" the show.

It seems as though you don't understand the class gap between inexperienced Brit level and genuine "world" championship level.

Not everyone gets the silverspoon pampered treatment in life, donny. Some people HAVE TO take the CHANCE when it arrives ;)

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I realise not everyone gets the recognition, grooming or management they deserve, but my point stands.

I actually have very little problem with Witter, he acts brash on telly, but by all accounts he a nice amiable guy off camera.
Nobody reachs world level unless they've got something special and Junior does.

However, for me, he's just not on Ricky's level.

again...

Hatton does to Witter what Witter did to Vivian Harris;);D

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

again...

Hatton does to Witter what Witter did to Vivian Harris;);D

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Ha Ha the Hatton fans already like you Pride, you know your gonna get repped;D

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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again...

Hatton does to Witter what Witter did to Vivian Harris;);D

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Ha Ha the Hatton fans already like you Pride, you know your gonna get repped;D

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lol;D

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

My point is, if a fighter enters a fight, convincing the media that he's had enough time to train and he is ready, it's completely hypocritical to reflect on the loss and blame it on lack of preparation.

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;D

Convince the media? This was an undercard fight to Tyson-Savereasy. Witter HELPED "save" the show.

It seems as though you don't understand the class gap between inexperienced Brit level and genuine "world" championship level.

Not everyone gets the silverspoon pampered treatment in life, donny. Some people HAVE TO take the CHANCE when it arrives ;)

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I realise not everyone gets the recognition, grooming or management they deserve, but my point stands.

I actually have very little problem with Witter, he acts brash on telly, but by all accounts he a nice amiable guy off camera.
Nobody reachs world level unless they've got something special and Junior does.

However, for me, he's just not on Ricky's level.

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Which is - it's far better to get knocked on your arse by a Brit level fighter than get outpointed by the unbeaten IBF champion of the world ;D

I voted Witter just because of a gut feeling that maybe Hatton has peaked. What I mean is that he has passed his edge physically and emotionally. His forrays into the welterweight division have been well, less than spectacular and his days at JW seem to be a little uneven. Just feeling that his style needs a tune up or he is headed for a quick decline as face first brawling doesn't lead to a long stay at the top. As examples: Ray Mancini and Jake LaMatta. Just my thoughts. I could be wrong and usually am (by what happens in the ring).

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Right, I'm not going to get too involved here, because frankly I'm annoyed.

Hatton has been beaten once by Mayweather, stopped once by the best fighter in the world.

He had been down once before that, ibn a fight which he dominated after that really.

Hatton has a rock hard chin at 140, what is Witter going to do that will allow him to KO ricky:rolleyes:

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nothing,ricky by tko.