could Calzaghe end up higher than RJJ in the all time p4P list

I think the only fight out there that will boost Calzaghe's legacey is Pavlick.


As for who ranks higher in terms of all time standing I wold say Jones even if he avoided certain fighters in his prime.

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Originally Posted by Phil

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

Think of it this way...Robin Reid gave a prime Joe Calzaghe all he could handle. What would prime Roy Jones have done to Robin Reid? Jones was never troubled by a b-grade fighter like that. Even Tarver, love him or hate him, at his best is a class above most of Joe's fights. He's certainly a class above Reid.

No, Joe will never be considered greater than Jones.

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right Joe may never be considered greater than Jones, but wouldnt agree that Tarvers a class above Reid, Reid was a great fighter in his day, yeah he should have retired long before he did, but in his prime he would have caused anyone problems, what makes Tarver that good? been lucky enough to catch Jones at the right time?

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Where is Reid's signature win? Every time Reid stepped up in class he lost - his biggest win was who, Hacine Cherifi? Vazquez, a blown up old LMW? I guess it's Henry Wharton. Reid is far more likable guy, but he is really not better than a top level journeyman.

Tarver beat Eric Harding, Glen Johnson, Reggie Johnson, Montell Griffin, lost a debatable fight to Jones, then beat him twice more. Oh, and he just beat Clinton Woods. Tarver ain't an ATG, but he talks like one and people hate him for it. Nonetheless, he's a world class fighter.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

I think the only fight out there that will boost Calzaghe's legacey is Pavlick.


As for who ranks higher in terms of all time standing I wold say Jones even if he avoided certain fighters in his prime.

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WHY ? Pavlik is the world middleweight champ , why on earth would he want to move up to SM which is a joke division anyway , or LHW ? Calzaghe is unbeaten but is now trying to cement his status , which in my opinion he should have thought of 6 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

You have to sit back and look at it all in context. Much of what Joe did up until 2006 is really a wash. He stayed in a weak division and fough mostly fringe opponents. It is a shame because he was then a better fighter than he is now. He could have made some real waves if he moved to 175 earlier.
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WHY ? Pavlik is the world middleweight champ , why on earth would he want to move up to SM which is a joke division anyway , or LHW ? Calzaghe is unbeaten but is now trying to cement his status , which in my opinion he should have thought of 6 years ago.

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And that, my friends, has been my problem with Joe Calzaghe all along. Good posting

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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat

RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

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Wow...:-\

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by porkypara

I think the only fight out there that will boost Calzaghe's legacey is Pavlick.


As for who ranks higher in terms of all time standing I wold say Jones even if he avoided certain fighters in his prime.

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WHY ? Pavlik is the world middleweight champ , why on earth would he want to move up to SM which is a joke division anyway , or LHW ? Calzaghe is unbeaten but is now trying to cement his status , which in my opinion he should have thought of 6 years ago.

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I agree with you that Calzaghe should have been the star that he is now 6 years ago but that did not happen for many different reasons.

From Pavlik's point of view a fight with Calzaghe would shoot him straight into the top 4 or 5 P4P and earn him loads of $$$$.

As for Calzaghe he is the only good young fighter in his prime around the same weight.