How good was a 'prime' tyson?

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Yeah. Tyson won that two fights by UD. By the way, how old were you ICB during that time? Have you watched those fights live ?

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No didn't see those fights live im 18 Bruce.

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Tucker was holding Tyson's hand EVERY TIME Tyson gives him a hard shot.;D

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by ICB

Have you seen Tyson's fights with Tillis and Tucker ??

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I was at the Tillis fight...Mike was not used to guys running and holding Tillis gave an awkward fight...In no way did Tillis come close to winning''''He was just frustrating Tyson...By the next year Tyson was a different fighter...Ring maturity wise

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Yes, Daxx. Tillis and even Tucker were running and holding. Both were willing to mix it up with Tyson before the fight but when they were hit by a big right from Tyson they would usually hold.:cool:

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Holding is one of the best ways to beat Tyson if used correctly, Tyson does get tied up easy and he gets frustrated if you can survive the early onslaught which not many Heavyweights could.

You should know more than that ICB. Holding is something not respectable when you tell people that you would fight all out.:cool:

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Originally Posted by brucelee

You should know more than that ICB. Holding is something not respectable when you tell people that you would fight all out.:cool:

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Well sometimes you have to fight a bit dirty to get the win Bruce and holding sometimes is a part of it. Holyfield beat Tyson by using clinching tactics, and Hopkins also clinched Calzaghe to good effect, and the same with Hatton vs Tszyu, its not pretty but it gets the job done if used correctly. I personally don't like seeing it but you do what you have to do to win.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by brucelee

You should know more than that ICB. Holding is something not respectable when you tell people that you would fight all out.:cool:

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Well sometimes you have to fight a bit dirty to get the win Bruce and holding sometimes is a part of it. Holyfield beat Tyson by using clinching tactics, and Hopkins also clinched Calzaghe to good effect, and the same with Hatton vs Tszyu, its not pretty but it gets the job done if used correctly. I personally don't like seeing it but you do what you have to do to win.

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Yeh,Holding/tieing up happens.Technically illegal but in all reality it also leads to inside oppurtunitys.Some guys just make a way of life with it.Hey...welcome back ICB,You can add in Great counter Hooks and lead rights,And dismissing all of the pundits who had felt Holyfields life was ' at risk' just getting in the ring with Tyson as to reasons He beat Tyson ;D

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Originally Posted by miles

"Bowe was better than the Douglas that beat Tyson in 1990...he was MUCH better"

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No he wasn't

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Originally Posted by Iron Mike

Im obviously a Tyson fan, and for good reason.

There wasn't anything like Mike in his early 20's. He was an absolute wrecking machine.

That particular heavyweight era WAS a bit light, but Im not sure how much it impacts his legacy.

If youll just look at what Mike brought to the ring in those magical years, it's enough to make any heavyweight of any era second guess thier own confidence.

Raw, natural destructive power. Crazy speed (often overlooked), GREAT head and trunk movement, and a pitbull's mentality for inflicting pain in rapid concussive barrages. He was the total package. It was short-lived, yes, but while it was there, it was truly something special.

His was a star that burnt out quickly. Many people try to dismantle his entire career after the Douglas fight, but I say watch that fight again. In Mike's first loss, you actually learn a ton about him.


I'll say this, and Ive said it on many occasions, there are FEW heavyweights that could have handled that particular Douglas on that particular night. Mother recently passed away, he had nothing to lose and everything to gain. He was in so much pain and turmoil, he didn't have anything left to be afraid of.

Watch that fight again. Douglas..was...SHARP. Bouncing on his toes, throwing crisp hard shots, absolutely peppering a very suprised Mike into submission.

If you need a good example of what kind of chin Mike had, too, here's a good one. Mike absolutely got his ass kicked over ten long rounds that night. Took some hellacious shots before going down.

Lennox Lewis? Lennox pounded a very faded Mike over 8 rounds (I think) but look how many bombs he had to land at will before Mike said "fine, im done."


Tyson had it all, he just didnt have it overly long. I give Mike a chance against heavyweight in boxing history within the first 2/3 of any fight.

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Ahh, leg IRON MIKE a hearty welcome to ya .;D

Douglas had a blessing on his head that night and he belived in himself and the job at hand 110% , good luck came all the way with him in his belife too. Everything came together for him, but it nearly didnt except for a certain bell in one round from memory.

The prime Tyson was awesome!!!

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Originally Posted by rene69

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Originally Posted by Lyle

"Bowe was better than the Douglas that beat Tyson in 1990...he was MUCH better"

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No he wasn't

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...Yes, yes he was.


Even when Bowe didn't pay attention to defense he never suffered because of it having only lost once. He took Holyfield's best shots and won 2 of 3...Tyson couldn't go the distance with the guys he lost to and he got KO'd by Evander

Yeah lets not under estimate how good a prime Bowe was either . The guy had a good left hand and excellent right uppercut . Pre Holyfield he was a potential ATG. I wouldnt put him up there with Tyson but I'd place him above Douglas for sure.