Yea well Hatton has been there done that for Floyd... Floyd would slaughter him with in 6 rounds in a rematch
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Yea well Hatton has been there done that for Floyd... Floyd would slaughter him with in 6 rounds in a rematch
That's even worse not better. Why do you want us as a nation to suffer an embarrasment on that scale?Quote:
Originally Posted by yvonne
90,000 loyle fans in the new Wembey over in the U.K will witness a great performance of the HITMAN next year at the rematch.90,000 not 50,000.:p;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
90,000 screaming British fans silenced as Floyd gives Ricky another check hook, this time bouncing Hatton off two corner posts and then out of the ring into the lap of the HBO commentary team.
At least Violent D would have his avatar set for the rest of 2009. :-\
Guys you can rip on me because I fight with some morals and ethics...no I don't use gloves and no there are no refs and no I don't go out looking for street fights either.
Even Kimbo Slice when he was beating up bums in backyards and parking lots wasn't going to kick them or hit them when they were down.
I'm sorry but I don't believe any of this "street fight" bullcrap...as I said before when was the last time you saw two grown ass men in a street fight kicking each other?
If you can't win with honor then what's the fucking point?
All these people who are so taken with MMA and say how it's "the closest thing to a street fight" are probably the same kind of people who don't see anything wrong with 8 guys jumping one harmless little guy and beating the life out of him.....if I have to fight someone then I am going to do it with my fists!
You feel free to fight like a sissy if you want to...it's not going to make your tribal tat any cooler
Thats probably a good thing seeing you would probably get your ass kicked anyway;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Dumb argument since Kimbo fought for money and they had a gentlemans agreement on the rules, so it was sorta like an organized eventQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
If you have the ability to defend yourself and use your feet, elbows and knees whats wrong with that... 2 summers ago I fought and beat a Bouncer of a strip bar who was giving me shiit outside the place, I set him up with a Thai leg kick got inside of him landed a few elbows and had him up against a car landing knees on him until he gave up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Self preservation and to stay aliveQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I dont see the relevance of bringing a gang fight into this:confused: Call me a sissy all you want but If I am forced to defend myself I choose to go home to my family and live another day;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The majority of street fights aren't going to be a "fight to the death" so stop being so fucking dramatic about it!
If people REALLY want to fight they will do it the right way....for the most part they aren't going to want to fight unless they have some psychological issues which need some working out via a good ass whipping.
You can fight however you want to...I fight the way men fight and not little assholes who took tae kwan do/juijitsu/karate classes when they were growing up
Lyle, I am not ripping on you for liking one form of defence over another. It isn't really about street fighting, IMHO. I don't box to street fight. I suspect many MMA and martial arts people don't do what they do to fight in the street either. If someone is doing that, boxer or MMA...well they are likely a jerk no matter what is their thing. It is our sport of choice.
I do take offence on how you stereotypically catagorize ALL MMA fans and ALL MMA fighters into one group, one type of person. I would hope that you being an intelligent person could somehow get beyond that sort of bias. It is bias.
I like you Lyle, and I enjoy debating and reading debates you are involved in. This deal here I do find bothersome. As I've said. I know many ex-MMA fighters. Some of them are very good friends now to me. And they are some of the quietest, respectful and nicest people I have ever known.
I wonder if lyle has heard of rich franklin(school teacher), randy couture(army sergent) crop-cop(defense police) and fedor( the most humble greatest unstoppable fighter that ever walk mother earth.
Also I just don't think lyle understands a street fight is against a stranger that is threatening you. I think he thinks fights are stage all the time, and it doesn't happen against someone who doesn't give a damn what comes out of your mouth but only cares of beating the shyt out of you.
Honestly Lyle would you ask a guy to get back up so you don't have to hit him after he just called your girl a whore and would love to fuck her, would you show mercy to a complete stranger that deserve no honor from you. See i don't think you know that you must be ruthless to defend against those strangers we are talking about from a random street fight.
I appreciate what you believe what a fight should be, but you can't reason with a guy who wants to beat your ass. I now know you ain't been in a real street fight so you still think like a superhero that can let anyone get back up. You must be a really great fighter to have the brovado to tell a man get back up mister cause i don't want to hit you down there. I want to applaud you LYLE if you can really afford to tell that to any stranger in the street after you just put him on the ground.
Guys...you know me and you know I am not going to change my view on this issue.
No not ALL MMA fans/fighters are living garbage....but there is a very LOUD visible group that are....and you can thank the UFC for selling that as MMA. Look at the Ultimate Fighter series and tell me they aren't a group of guys whom I describe in all my MMA rants.....look at Tapout....are you saying there is not a large group of people like the way I describe them???
Julius I don't go looking for trouble and I carry myself with a little bit of class and I am respectful.
No if someone called my girl a whore and all that I doubt #1 he'd be in any establishment where I would be hanging out and #2 Yes I would whip his ass....I don't aim to make friends after fights, I just don't want to get shot, stabbed, jumped, or hit in the head with a beer bottle.
If you put a guy down there's no reason to jump on them...you jump on them and you're bound to make the situation worse either one of his boys is going to jump in or he might think his life is in danger and do something stupid like pull a weapon.
If you put a guy down (basically knock them out) from a punch then the point is made and the fight is basically over there is no reason to do anything else.
If you want to litterally KILL someone just because they are mouthing off then my friend I am not the one with the problem
You don't result in killing someone just cause you don't want to have to give him a chance of turning the tides if he gets back up. You keep him down til your sure his no longer a threat. And you don't do it verbally you do it physically. I can't imagine telling dodes i've run into to get back up or ask them have you had enough? Shyt before i can even finish the sentence they'd be on attack mode again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Come on lyle your coming from the movies, get real my man. We're not all superman that can be all casual at a fight and be like "do you heal or you want more?"
I don't run into anyone who is so hard and yet so stupid that they want to fight no matter what....if it's bad enough you just get the cops because I don't in the end want anyone to get injured for life or killed and I am sure the other person doesn't want that either....I don't run into many guys like the dude from "No Country For Old Men"
Hey it's their choice to get back up...if I knocked them down once it's usually enough, but if they want to continue fine...sure I COULD lose that way but I'd rather let the guy get up. Usually by then the fight has been stopped anyway.
I live in my own little world apparently, where there are rules, boundries, morals, and values...if I figure I can take the time to extend an olive branch then I will.
I thought all you democrats were all about diplomacy ;)
I know I know, I shouldn't be posting here there is no point.
But what does MMA have to do with street fighting? I mean the most practical way to get a baseball over a fence isn't standing 400 feet away with a round bat but that's the sport anyways.
I won't deny that kicks take skill but I wouldn't assume that to become very good at kickboxing is harder or more technically difficult than becoming very good at boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI'm talking about world class martial artists like Cung Le, Cro Cop and Anderson Silva. Their kicks are simply sublime, not just straight kicks to the face but they use their legs to sweep, throw and choke out their opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaI've trained in both and I'm not so sure about that - i think it just depends on your standards for eachQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Let's look at some examples of each.
Cro Cop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5efA1...eature=related
Cung Le http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Qk_...eature=related
Some general kick highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i02Igw9fkpc
In places where boxng is more common I would argue that the competitive pressure lifts the standards of boxing above kickboxing and while I have seen it personally it probably works the same way where kicking martial arts are more competitive than boxing.
The thing with boxing is people who are good at it make it look more simple than it is and when people do not understand it they may find it easier to believe their punches are better than they actually are.
The dynamics and movement involved is often different for each too and boxing is often more complicated movement wise because you are expected to be able to move and attack and defend concurrently at a lower level than for kickboxing.
I personally found kickboxing far easier than boxing which is why I box now - to work on what I found most difficult because having found the hand skills I used in boxing were not half of what they could be i lost the sense of persuing the sport to it's ultimate level in kickboxing.
I told myself I could go back to kickboxing when I was really good at boxing and now I just think i'll never go back because it's and endless journey to achieve the perfect punch or kick.
No matter how good it looks there will ALWAYS be a slight way to improve it and any perfectionist in these sports has to accept that it will be a life long journey!
Your first wish almost came true in the 10th round Bilbo.