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I remember seeing Liam Gallagher call Kurt Cobain a "sad cunt".. when asked what he thought of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
I have a nirvana video (bootleg copy) which features Kurt and Courtney with Oasis in the back stage. I've seen them too in more than a couple occasions in MTV specials with Kurt Loder.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'm a huge Nirvana fan and I've never read anything about the two bands having any contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
I'm assuming after Kurt blew his brains out.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI remember seeing Liam Gallagher call Kurt Cobain a "sad cunt".. when asked what he thought of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftI have a nirvana video (bootleg copy) which features Kurt and Courtney with Oasis in the back stage. I've seen them too in more than a couple occasions in MTV specials with Kurt Loder.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
"Love, Peace, and Empathy"
Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains....all the grunge stuff.....it totally sucks, I hate it, it's crap. It's all sad depressing horrible music.
Oasis had some OK stuff, but they were never going to be The Beatles....and the Beatles were never going to be Elvis.
Elvis was the greatest single performer of all-time...he could sing anything and everything.
Zepp was big, The Doors, The Beach Boys, Pink Floyd, Creedance, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Allman Brothers, The Doobie Brothers, Talking Heads, Van Halen, G'n'R, The Eagles, Journey......great bands
Elvis's career was saved by his untimely death. That may sound cruel, but it really was. He was quickly becoming an embarrassment to himself and his music.
He couldn't carry the beatles shoes. Not only were they amazing musicians, but they were creative writing and composing geniuses. What did Elvis write? Not trying to crap on Elvis, but he just don't compare.
Elvis didn't have to write...he sang and he performed and no he wasn't becoming an embarrassment to himself....yeah he was a big bloated pill popper but he could still belt it buddy you had best believe it....there were 4 Beatles, Elvis did it all by himself....he brought Rock'n'Roll to the masses....AND he had staying power, there are still a ba-zillion Elvis fans....sure there are Beatles fans but Paul and Ringo are still alive, Elvis has been dead for a loooooong time.
Not really rock'n'roll but James Brown was a bad SOB too!
Sublime, Phish, The Grateful Dead...good bands didn't sell many albums (Sublime really only had one true album due to the death of Brad Nowell) for various reasons but good groups none the less.
People still think he was murdered.....although I think being attatched to Courtney Love is enough to send anyone over the edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
I just thought his music was depressing and for no good reason....I like more upbeat stuff and not stuff that makes me want to off myself.
The Band was awesome, Levon Helm is still getting it done!
I can respect him for what he accomplished, but I can't stand 99% of Elvis' music.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Nirvana and Alice in Chains are two of the greatest groups ever IMO.
And for the record, Elvis wasn't a band. :p
Oh my god. That is the single most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life. I love both Elvis and the Beatles, and I have to say that I agree - the Beatles did in fact have superior talent as songwriters. However, Elvis was, unquestionably, hands down, the superior performer. The Beatles made teenage girls wet themselves. The King did it to grown, fully matured women - and that's the whole point of rock and roll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
Well - that's not exactly true. Elvis had a band, too. It's not right to forget the people that helped Elvis become who and what he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Scotty Moore - pioneering rock/rockabilly guitarist.
Bill Black - standup bass extraordinaire, and introduced the Fender P-bass to the masses.
D.J. Fontana - drummer for The Blue Moon Boys, as this group was known collectively.
This band, along with The King (and Sam Phillips), is responsible for all of those hits. We tend to forget the little guys because Elvis was such an incredible performer.
Ironically enough, Moore and Fontana rerecorded "That's All Right (Mama)" with Paul McCartney.
I'm not disrespecting Elvis's talent and performance ability. He was obviously gifted and help transform rock and roll music, and anyone who thinks otherwise is likely just hatin' for the sake of it. I do believe he is called the king for a reason.
But he was also a self-indulgent, self-destructive sad case when it came to his end. And his performances weren't all that great then either. Just because a bunch of 50 and 60 year old female fans are ripping off their panties and throwing them on stage, doesn't mean 'he's still got it!"
He was giving it his all though, but his all wasn't near what it could be because of his lifestyle.
Elvis great performer. Yes. The Beatles, geniuses in many ways. I put a lot of weight into my thoughts based on their ground-breaking time tested creativity.
Just so long as you know he's the greatest of all-time.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Nirvana and Alice in Chains make me want to shoot myself...you can have them!
I like The Darkness and Justin Hawkins and a bunch of other bands but I'm not about to rank them up there with Elvis.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Seems that you never really listened much to Pearl Jam...a band doesn't get much more positve...
Oh really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL37al3pBiQ
....I don't find grade school suicide to be a very positive issue
As compared to this which is the greatest feel good song of all time...every Monday should start with this song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eONhto0x_nI
Aqua
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Yeah...I had this coming...their first album(which also includes Alive or Ocean)doesn't really fit in the positive stuff,but the following albums got way more positive...you should listen to some...;)
No thanks.....and YES you did have that coming
Dude his first album to this very day cranksQuote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
Show me a rock'n'roller who had anywhere NEAR the success that Elvis had who wasn't a "self-destructive, self-indulgent, sad case"......you can't find ONE
Some other songs...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ByjoK3VVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXISm3JjYU0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaF3M2yN7-M
just some examples...
I hear you...you can like what you want to, I just don't like Pearl Jam
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Oh man...why don't want to be converted...lol...
...I'll convert you to a Justin Hawkins fan before you convert me to a Pearl Jam fan
Who ?!? I won't google...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlXqubVdYO0
Former lead singer of The Darkness, a performer with great skill but who doesn't take himself too seriously. He's the anti-Bono....that song "Do it in the Dark" is his solution to Energy Conservation....turn the lights out whilst getting your freak on....it's very funny IMO but most people don't like the falsetto but #1 it's amazing how high the dude can sing and #2 he doesn't pretend to take himself seriously anyway so the fact that all their songs (IMO) are good to listen to is a plus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-MtY1nRcpU
"Growing on Me" a song about, love, loss, and perhaps crabs
"Is It Just Me" and "Girlfriend" are some of the funniest/creepiest music videos I have ever seen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvMeSZ3iR90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoYDJDiY6U
Ahhh...I know The Darkness just not leadsingers name...Not a fan of them(big surprise there...:rolleyes: ),but I can appreciate what they are doing...Though one song of them per day is enough for me...
Bruce Springsteen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
"The Boss" is pretentious, he's not going to O.D. anytime soon or cause some huge scene somewhere either....I love his music, I hate his politics but that's not why I like him so I don't mind him.
He's the exception and not the rule
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Originally Posted by Lyle
:confused:
I don't know what you mean with O. D. ...
And didn't you asked for a "rock'n'roller who had anywhere NEAR the success that Elvis had who wasn't a "self-destructive, self-indulgent, sad case" "...???
And didn't I just name one...?!?
Yes you named one...but he's not of the same ilk as Elvis, he's more along the lines of a folk singer with an amp.
But when you look at the history of Rock you get 5 "self-destructive, self-indulgent, sad cases" for every one 1 Bruce Springsteen.
I worked with most big bands in the 70s and 80s in security.The best live band I and a few others who I worked with rated the Best was Queen. Live they were superb.
Seeing Queen live must've been amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Obviously, most of the greats have been mentioned-Beatles, Zep, Sabbath, Elvis, etc
As for how they rate- best range(voice)-Elvis, best at jamming, and most talented at every spot-Zep, the best musical geniuses-Beatles.
As for the other arguments-
For me-Oasis is good, not a great.
The Seattle grunge bands i like alot, especially Alice In Chains(alot of their music is depressing I admit).
I like alot of Rock and Metal, and alot of heavy stuff, but I got to give an honorable mention to Van Halen, not to be confused with Van Hagar(although I like Sammy, and they were still good).
\Easy there Joe DirtQuote:
Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
The Beatles were the best band ever and will probably never be beaten. Thats the truth.
Only read the last page of this but for me The Beatles are the best band ever. And I'm just a huge huge fan of Oasis, which I know won't be considered as great, but they are to me.
People mentioned "self-destructive, self-indulgent, sad cases", how about Ray Charles! What a legend he was, love his music and he turned his life around without the drugs etc!
Yeah Ray Charles "had to turn his life around"....he was a self indulgent sad case for quite a while.
I still think The Rolling Stones are better than The Beatles...they weren't as poppy and they had a better blues sound to their songs
But the Beatles had WAY better musical range,they could pretty much play whatever type of song they felt like,and do it wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Really need to listen to more of the Stones. Really love blues and have heard suprisingly little of them for some reason :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
And The Stones couldn't??? I think the Stones had better range than the Beatles....listen to "Brown Sugar" and "Midnight Rambler" then listen to "Dead Flowers" or "The Girl With Far Away Eyes"....they could do blues and country and all the crazy psychodellic stuff as well and even had some stuff which could be classified as disco "Miss You", "Emotional Rescue".
I like The Beatles, I just think they are too poppy to be considered the greatest ROCK band of all-time. They did have some great stuff as well though
Why they are is theres at least one song even your grandparents like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Your Mother Should Know-Big Band
Michelle-Folk
Helter Skelter-Proto Metal
The first two records-Straight rock
A Day In A lIfe-maybe one of the nastiest songs ever written
Lucy In The Sky-Acid Rock
Let It Be-Black Spiritual
Act Naturally-C/W
Almost no band ever existing had that range,its a crying shame their egos got in the way of making music together