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I think most everybody agrees that Ali is number 1 or 2. To be on the list you need to have exceptional skills (Ali) and/or completely dominate the division (Tyson, Sullivan, Foreman, Marciano, Louis). Tough to call as the division's talent at the time of the champion determines how people look at him. :boxing2:
marcianos record is his pro record if he lost as an amatuer so wot it doesnt count on his record
if a fighter like louis managed to acheive so much without fightin at his peak doesnt tht make him better because if tht was him not at his peak emagine him at his peak
Actually he was 27-28 when he went into the armed forces hitman, so he probably had peaked already. He was born in 1914 and had his last title defense in 1942, before being out 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
oh right some said tht he missed out on his peak years
Terrible list...Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam1982
Where's George Foreman?
You have some terrible names, Leon Spinks!, Michael Spinks, Jimmy Ellis?
Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield are far to low imo, they should be atleast top 10.
How the hell did Leon Spinks get on the list, because he beat a old Muhammad ali?
Although Mike Tyson is not the greatest heavyweight out there, he deserves to be in the top 15 greatest boxers of all time.
george foreman shouldn't even be in any top 20, Lennox lewis couldn't even go with any of the top 10 and the same for holyfield, leon spinks was 1 of only 5 people that beat Ali, so no matter how old ali was spinks beat him and thats why he is number 8 and as for mike tyson no way could he have beaten any of the 20.
You forgot Julius Francis!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKY MARSHMELLOW
So what if Leon Spinks beat Ali? So did Trevor Berbick, where is he on your top ten?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam1982
Leon Spinks is one of the worst heavyweight champions ever, and to say that Mike or George Foreman dosen't desrve a place is a complete and utter joke.
George Foreman has achieved 10 times the amount of greatness than leon spinks, michael spinks and Jimmy Ellis put together.
mike tyson at his prime could probebly give any of them fighters in ur top 20 a run for their money and beat most of themas for lewis being at 11 thts stupid he was no were near as gd a champ as any of the other fighters on tht listQuote:
The top 20 heavyweights of all time
1. Rocky Marciano
2. Joe Louis
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Jack Dempsy
5. Jersey Joe Walcott
6. Sonny Liston
7. Floyd Paterson
8. Leon Spinks
9. Larry Holmes
10. Michael Spinks
11. Lennox Lewis
12. Evander Holyfield
13. James Corbett
14. Tommy Burns
15. Jess Willard
16. Jerry Quarry
17. Jimmy Ellis
18. Gene Tunney
19. Max Schmeling
20. Max Baer
Posted this before - don't necessarily agree, but interesting nonetheless ;)
http://coxscorner.tripod.com/boxchart1.html
http://coxscorner.tripod.com/heavyweightchart.html
I saw that about 2 years ago and actually agreed with the ratings, but now i think the list is total bull**ks.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
id put my top 10 heavyweight champs as
1) joe louis
2) rocky marciano
3) muhamed ali
4) mike tyson
5) Floyd patterson
6) joe fraiser
7) gene tunney
8) jack dempsey
9) george forman
10) Henry cooper
My top ten:
1. Muhammad ali
2. Joe louis
3. George Foreman
4. Larry Holmes
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Sonny Liston
ye thts quite a gd list except for lewis i think
cheers man, but i do think Lennox deserves a top ten place because correct me if i am wrong, but by way of rematch he is one of the few fighters in boxing history to have defeated every single opponent he has ever faced.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
but imo a great fighter should be able to do it first time round
fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
having read your comments i am forced to redo my top 20 best heavyweights in history.
1. Rocky Marciano
2. Joe Louis
3. Muhammad Ali
4. George Forman
5. Smokin Joe Frazier
6. James J Jefferies
7. Jack Dempsy
8. Jack Johnson
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Mike Tyson
11. Floyd Patterson
12. Riddick Bowe
13. Tommy Burns
14. Henry Cooper
15. Ezzard Charles
16. Jersey Joe Walcott
17. Leon Spinks
18. Larry Holmes
19. Frank Bruno
20. Oliver McCall
Special Mentions: - Michael Moorer, Hasim Rahman and Chris Byrd
Terrible list mate - sorry ;) To mention just 1, where is John L Sullivan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam1982
does anyone aprt from me consider henry cooper as a gr8 champ ?
No!!Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
y not though he wud have beat ali if his cheatin corner men hadnt cut his gloves open to buy him time to recover
Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
Great fighters should beat them first time round, where is Tyson in your top 20, He got beat and never revenged any of his defeats.
In what way can you have the likes of Rocky Marciano and Frazier ahead of Lewis in any list, if they fought it would be a total domination by Lewis, also none of them have had career's like Lewis, Lewis beat everyone in his era, and this is my oppinion like, but Lewis fought alot better quality opponents than the likes of Marciano, actually it aint my oppinion, its fucking fact.
no its shit could lewis have kod louis like marciano did ?
By the time Louis and Marciano fought, I reckon Steelie could've knocked Louis out!! 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
lets get things straight, if marciano was a boxer in his prime at the same time as lewis and tyson etc he would have destroyed them all, marciano was the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time and hendry cooper was the greatest british boxer of all time.
Cooper was a great British Champion & a good puncher at world level but I would not say he was even among the top contenders for the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
Please dump leon spinks out of your list. Geez, if nothing else add Danny Williams into leon's spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam1982
i would put Henry cooper in the top 50 greatest heavyweights of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Googoogachoob
I snickered at Riddick Bowe and Leon Spinks. THEN, I got to # 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam1982
Oliver Frigging McCall?!?!?!?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Please stop!! You're killing me!!!
Some of the lists are truly mindblowing.  I assume most of them must have been compiled by fellow Brits with all that irony.  Neon Leon's inclusion as a great made me laugh.  And Our 'Enery... don’t we have to narrow it down to those who at least won a version of the heavyweight championship?  I saw Cooper on that dreadful "Who was the greatest..." on Sky the other week.  He's obviously been dining out on his '63 fight for so long that he truly believes the fiction that Ali was given extra time between the 4th & 5th rounds. Â
I'm desperately disappointed that Primo Carnera never made it onto the lists; and Wladimir; and if you didn’t have to be a champ, a further smattering of Brits in Brian London, Richard Dunn, Noel Quarless, John L. Gardner wouldn’t have gone amiss.
1-Marciano
2-Ali
3-Foreman
4-Jack Johnson
5-The Bomber
6-Smokin' Joe
I'm gonna stop there, I may finish it later, but I can't decide how to proceed and I
don't want to water it down (some of the names on these other lists are laughable).
Oh and I already knew what all the critics would say about Rocky, the fact is he was
49-0 and the 49 does include Louis, Charles & Walcott. Also, mafia my penis!-it could be speculated that boxing in general has ties to it. Hell, Don King pretty much
personifies organized crime.
I'm sorry..... I just had to drag this topic back to the front. Â I just wanted to make sure I read it right the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Oliver McCall: Â 20th Greatest Heavyweight of ALL TIME
:LMAO: :lol: :lolhaha: :lolololol: :rotflmao: :rofmaoal: :toothout:
1-Muhammad Ali
2- Mike tyson
3- George foreman
4-rocky Marciano
5-Sony Liston
6- Evander holyfield
7-Joy fraizer
8-Jack Dempsy
9-Lennox lewis
10- Hashim Rahman
my final list
1. Marciano
2. Louis
3. Ali
4. Foreman
5. Frazier
6. Lewis
7. Braddock
8. Dempsy
9. Johnson
10. Mike Tyson
11. Liston
12. Burns
13. Willard
14. Tunney
15. Patterson
16. Holmes
17. Corbett
18. Fitzsimmons
19. Carnera
20. Ellis
IN ORDER!
1. Muhammed Ali
2. Mike Tyson
3. George Foreman
4. Joe Frazier
5. Joe Louis
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Jose Torres (light heavy but pretty much the same)
8. Lennox Lewis
9. meh cant think of any more
nope, totally disagree. You're not a very smart boxing fan if u can't even think of 10 good heavyweight's, are you? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by haggard_jozzajz
I noticed you dropped Oliver McCall from your list. I hope I didn't have anything to do with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam1982
;D
well its official Sugar Ray Robinson is the best fighter this century finally justice has been done