Re: The All time Heavyweight thread ( a different perspective)
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Lyle
Ali was small in comparison to Lewis and Bowe...yeah he was 6'3-6'4 but 220-225 ain't exactly huge.
Ali actually dealt very well with taller men now that IO think of it.
One guy that could have troubled Ali....I'm not kidding....is Klitschko. We all saw Ali struggle with Nortons constant counter jab, albeit that Ali was past peak and a younger Ali would have been far better against Norton, but yeah, I think Wlad give him a torrid time and Ali goes for the KO.
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ICB
Why do you keep bringing this up like it holds some kind of merit ?? tell the whole truth Holmes was a mere novice when Ali gave Holmes a black eye, this was in 1972 right ?? and Holmes was still trying out for the Olmypic trials. Where as Ali was a complete pro at the time, why don't you also mention that Holmes got the better of Ali in sparring in 1974 while preparing for Rumble In The Jungle ??
It was three years...Read Boxing Monthly "I learned more from Ali in thoise three years than I doid from anyone else in my life."
As for 1974, Holmes didn't get the better of Ali. He gave Ali a difficult spar, but he never got the better of him.
Re: The All time Heavyweight thread ( a different perspective)
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hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
Lyle
Ali was small in comparison to Lewis and Bowe...yeah he was 6'3-6'4 but 220-225 ain't exactly huge.
Ali actually dealt very well with taller men now that IO think of it.
One guy that could have troubled Ali....I'm not kidding....is Klitschko. We all saw Ali struggle with Nortons constant counter jab, albeit that Ali was past peak and a younger Ali would have been far better against Norton, but yeah, I think Wlad give him a torrid time and Ali goes for the KO.
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Originally Posted by
ICB
Why do you keep bringing this up like it holds some kind of merit ?? tell the whole truth Holmes was a mere novice when Ali gave Holmes a black eye, this was in 1972 right ?? and Holmes was still trying out for the Olmypic trials. Where as Ali was a complete pro at the time, why don't you also mention that Holmes got the better of Ali in sparring in 1974 while preparing for Rumble In The Jungle ??
It was three years...Read Boxing Monthly "I learned more from Ali in thoise three years than I doid from anyone else in my life."
As for 1974, Holmes didn't get the better of Ali. He gave Ali a difficult spar, but he never got the better of him.
Like i said earlier im not really bothered how long he sparred with Ali, Monkey always implies about Ali giving Holmes his first shiner implying thats what would happen if they met as pro's. When the fact is Holmes was a novice at the time where as Ali was an experiened professional boxer, and was only slightly past his peak at that time. I think its just unfair to Larry Holmes using a sparring match as an example of how a prime for prime match up would of gone, when the fact is every great boxer has been whooped in sparring.
Re: The All time Heavyweight thread ( a different perspective)
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by
Lyle
Ali was small in comparison to Lewis and Bowe...yeah he was 6'3-6'4 but 220-225 ain't exactly huge.
Ali actually dealt very well with taller men now that IO think of it.
One guy that could have troubled Ali....I'm not kidding....is Klitschko. We all saw Ali struggle with Nortons constant counter jab, albeit that Ali was past peak and a younger Ali would have been far better against Norton, but yeah, I think Wlad give him a torrid time and Ali goes for the KO.
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Originally Posted by
ICB
Why do you keep bringing this up like it holds some kind of merit ?? tell the whole truth Holmes was a mere novice when Ali gave Holmes a black eye, this was in 1972 right ?? and Holmes was still trying out for the Olmypic trials. Where as Ali was a complete pro at the time, why don't you also mention that Holmes got the better of Ali in sparring in 1974 while preparing for Rumble In The Jungle ??
It was three years...Read Boxing Monthly "I learned more from Ali in thoise three years than I doid from anyone else in my life."
As for 1974, Holmes didn't get the better of Ali. He gave Ali a difficult spar, but he never got the better of him.
Like i said earlier im not really bothered how long he sparred with Ali, Monkey always implies about Ali giving Holmes his first shiner implying thats what would happen if they met as pro's. When the fact is Holmes was a novice at the time where as Ali was an experiened professional boxer, and was only slightly past his peak at that time. I think its just unfair to Larry Holmes using a sparring match as an example of how a prime for prime match up would of gone, when the fact is every great boxer has been whooped in sparring.
In turn it is then unfair to imply that Holmes may have beaten Ali because he was competitive in sparring.
Re: The All time Heavyweight thread ( a different perspective)
Nice thread. I'd love to see and think would see Lewis taking on tyson in a semi final type match with Lewis winning. Then Joe Louis against Jack Johnson with Johnson winning. Then a great match up between Jack Johnson and Lennox Lewis. What a fight that would be. Would it be unlimited rounds? 20 rounds? No gloves? So many questions. And so hard to pick a winner. I've seen more of Lewis so would favour him but when Jack Johnson wanted to win he was almost unstoppable i believe.
Re: The All time Heavyweight thread ( a different perspective)
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hitmandonny
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ICB
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hitmandonny
Ali actually dealt very well with taller men now that IO think of it.
One guy that could have troubled Ali....I'm not kidding....is Klitschko. We all saw Ali struggle with Nortons constant counter jab, albeit that Ali was past peak and a younger Ali would have been far better against Norton, but yeah, I think Wlad give him a torrid time and Ali goes for the KO.
It was three years...Read Boxing Monthly "I learned more from Ali in thoise three years than I doid from anyone else in my life."
As for 1974, Holmes didn't get the better of Ali. He gave Ali a difficult spar, but he never got the better of him.
Like i said earlier im not really bothered how long he sparred with Ali, Monkey always implies about Ali giving Holmes his first shiner implying thats what would happen if they met as pro's. When the fact is Holmes was a novice at the time where as Ali was an experiened professional boxer, and was only slightly past his peak at that time. I think its just unfair to Larry Holmes using a sparring match as an example of how a prime for prime match up would of gone, when the fact is every great boxer has been whooped in sparring.
In turn it is then unfair to imply that Holmes may have beaten Ali because he was competitive in sparring.
Did i say that ?? i said Holmes beat Ali in sparring so why did he not mention that ?? why does he keep bringing up when Holmes was a novice ?? i never implied Holmes would beat Ali because he beat him in sparring in Rumble In The Jungle, you should know i don't use sparring matches as a way to imply thats how it would go in a pro fight, i have used the Tyson vs Page example many times.
Re: The All time Heavyweight thread ( a different perspective)
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ICB
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hitmandonny
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ICB
Like i said earlier im not really bothered how long he sparred with Ali, Monkey always implies about Ali giving Holmes his first shiner implying thats what would happen if they met as pro's. When the fact is Holmes was a novice at the time where as Ali was an experiened professional boxer, and was only slightly past his peak at that time. I think its just unfair to Larry Holmes using a sparring match as an example of how a prime for prime match up would of gone, when the fact is every great boxer has been whooped in sparring.
In turn it is then unfair to imply that Holmes may have beaten Ali because he was competitive in sparring.
Did i say that ?? i said Holmes beat Ali in sparring so why did he not mention that ?? why does he keep bringing up when Holmes was a novice ?? i never implied Holmes would beat Ali because he beat him in sparring in Rumble In The Jungle, you should know i don't use sparring matches as a way to imply thats how it would go in a pro fight, i have used the Tyson vs Page example many times.
Commonly, Holmes' saprring sessions with Ali are raised as a validation of Holmes' quality. People often say "Holmes dominated Ali in sparring." Although in truth one viewing the available footage can see that Holmes served as a useful and difficult spar, not an actual threat of any sort.
That was a general comment, quoting you're post in agreement with your logic, but applying it to Ali's circumstance.
In truth, I know nothing of Tyson / Page.
