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Originally Posted by Majesty
Thats what Im saying though. If the result was gonna be the same then whats the point of using any excuse?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Probably not but the fight would have been competative.
You get what I mean though?
Yes but Mayweather would not have looked half as good had the referee not been on Hattons case, let Mayweather foul all fight and if it was fought at Hattons natural weight.
it's Mayweather's natural weight to fight at too 140. He is quicker slicker and hits harder and is fasterQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyThats what Im saying though. If the result was gonna be the same then whats the point of using any excuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
You get what I mean though?
Yes but Mayweather would not have looked half as good had the referee not been on Hattons case, let Mayweather foul all fight and if it was fought at Hattons natural weight.
No pacquiao's been fighting that young since his pro debut. He was 17 or something when he was fighting as a pro if I remember right.Quote:
Originally Posted by matchWhat someone did as an amateur mean absolutely nothing as far as his pro legacy. If that were the case, we'd be including what all these guy's did when they started boxing at the age of 7 or 8 as most of them did. Floyd began his pro career as a jr. lightweight. Pac began his pro career at a weight that was less than most bulemic supermodels. I'm not crapping on Floyd b/c IMO he's the greatest fighter I've seen in my era, but Pac rose up from the middle earth hobbit weight classes and has cemented himself as a legitamate lightweight champion. That's pretty impressive IMO.Quote:
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Originally Posted by match
From flyweight to lightweight champion, wasn't Pacquiao starting fighting at 17 or 16 or something like that?
What about from super bantamweight to junior middleweight champion like Mayweather did?
I hear what you're saying but he was a pro then. Floyd turned pro as a jr. lightweight. All in all, they both moved up roughly 30 lbs or so, it just opens my eyes when a guy does that whose original weight was damn near only double didgets.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyNo pacquiao's been fighting that young since his pro debut. He was 17 or something when he was fighting as a pro if I remember right.Quote:
Originally Posted by matchWhat someone did as an amateur mean absolutely nothing as far as his pro legacy. If that were the case, we'd be including what all these guy's did when they started boxing at the age of 7 or 8 as most of them did. Floyd began his pro career as a jr. lightweight. Pac began his pro career at a weight that was less than most bulemic supermodels. I'm not crapping on Floyd b/c IMO he's the greatest fighter I've seen in my era, but Pac rose up from the middle earth hobbit weight classes and has cemented himself as a legitamate lightweight champion. That's pretty impressive IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I don't think those "boxing experts" judged the fight in 3-D view like the 3 ring officials scored it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Get my drift?
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Originally Posted by Majestyit's Mayweather's natural weight to fight at too 140. He is quicker slicker and hits harder and is fasterQuote:
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Yes but Mayweather would not have looked half as good had the referee not been on Hattons case, let Mayweather foul all fight and if it was fought at Hattons natural weight.
Yes but physically and stylistically 147lbs is far more suited to Mayweather than Hatton. Not taking anything away from Mayweather he did his job but again at 140lbs with a fair but firm referee it would have been a decent scrap. Would Hatton have won probably not would it have been intresting definatly and woulds Floyd have TKO`d Hatton HELL NO.
Why wouldn't Mayweather have tko'd hatton? Wouldn't hatton still be as open for that check left hook as he was at 147?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Majestyit's Mayweather's natural weight to fight at too 140. He is quicker slicker and hits harder and is fasterQuote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Yes but physically and stylistically 147lbs is far more suited to Mayweather than Hatton. Not taking anything away from Mayweather he did his job but again at 140lbs with a fair but firm referee it would have been a decent scrap. Would Hatton have won probably not would it have been intresting definatly and woulds Floyd have TKO`d Hatton HELL NO.
I see what you're saying. But what Pacquiao and Mayweather have done is both impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by matchI hear what you're saying but he was a pro then. Floyd turned pro as a jr. lightweight. All in all, they both moved up roughly 30 lbs or so, it just opens my eyes when a guy does that whose original weight was damn near only double didgets.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyNo pacquiao's been fighting that young since his pro debut. He was 17 or something when he was fighting as a pro if I remember right.Quote:
Originally Posted by match
what I'm saying is people really shouldnt be going "Pacquiao is better then Floyd now because of this and that" When they've both been impressive.
And we can't really say what Pacquiao has done is more then Floyd at this point they are about even Pacquiao will surpass Floyd on the p4p lists if he makes the right move in his next fight.
Because Floyd is retired until after the Margarito Cotto fight.
If pacquiao's next fight is against someone like Guzman or etc, then it will be no choice but tio put him ahead of Floyd. The ball is in Pac's court right now and he can make all the moves. But I don't think people should talk about placing him over Floyd over him beating Diaz
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Originally Posted by MajestyWhy wouldn't Mayweather have tko'd hatton? Wouldn't hatton still be as open for that check left hook as he was at 147?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Yes but physically and stylistically 147lbs is far more suited to Mayweather than Hatton. Not taking anything away from Mayweather he did his job but again at 140lbs with a fair but firm referee it would have been a decent scrap. Would Hatton have won probably not would it have been intresting definatly and woulds Floyd have TKO`d Hatton HELL NO.
Some how i dont think Hatton would be 8pts down having completely lost it come the 10th rd.
Hatton was open for that check left hook that fight.Quote:
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Originally Posted by MajestyWhy wouldn't Mayweather have tko'd hatton? Wouldn't hatton still be as open for that check left hook as he was at 147?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Some how i dont think Hatton would be 8pts down having completely lost it come the 10th rd.
Watching the fight earlier you can see that Mayweather is hitting him with it whenever Hatton was rushing in like he does and Stewart even talked about it saying Mayweather was setting up Hatton with that shot the whole night.
So its not really that Hatton was down in points as he rushed in, its just how Hatton fights imo.
But this is getting off topic
This is about Pacquiao.
Now if He fights a Guzman or Casamayor next, then there will be no question. imo he should go for Casa since he is the legitimate Lightweight champ, he is a little past his best but he is the guy at lightweight besides campbell. At lightweight is where these fights will really define pacquiao's career and add to his legend.
Pacquiao has it all in front of him, if he plays his cards right he'll be on the all time p4p lists above even Marquez and Morales and I'm not afraid to say that because that's his potential.
At this point id say him and Mayweather are about even with Mayweather holding a little of an edge over it. But like I said at lightweight fights can be made that can really make Pacquiao's career.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
If Pacquaio beats Campbell or Casa then beats Hatton he will have out achieved anyone in the last 15yrs.
He'll be the number one p4p without question. I really don't know if he needs Hatton to do that, it all depends who is the champ at the time it happens but if Pacquiao can handle 140 well then I'd love to see him fight Hatton but I'd like to see him more at 135 first. And yeah fights against Guzman and Casa would make his career.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Majesty
If Pacquaio beats Campbell or Casa then beats Hatton he will have out achieved anyone in the last 15yrs.
But even if he lost no one could take away from what he's already done and 2nd p4p is the lowest he can possibly go unless Pavlik ko'd calzaghe or something.
I have just done that. Majesty is a frustrated guy and he wants to blame it on PAcquaio. MAybe he lost big time in his prediction.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
yes I really hate Pacquiao...especially when I said that number 2 p4p would be the LOWEST he would ever get to. And also in my show where is said he is on the verge of a break through in this division. Especially when I said that even if he lost no one could take away from what he's already done and 2nd p4p is the lowest he can possibly go..Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Putting me as a pac hater is silly honestly.
ok so how exactly is pac suppose to step it up? since he needs to step it up?
this thread doesn't explain itself, it just says pac needs to step it up with no facts on why he should step it up :confused:
is fighting valero a step up :confused: right now its a step down.
what about soto? thats another step down, pac would pick him apart.
Guzman? is he a step up, to some since they believe in him but after pac breaks him down fact will show why guzman never got to the elite matchup cause his not at all a step up.
I can't believe anybody would suggest fighting mab twice, eric 3x and jmm twice, still requires stepping up. well to who? the others are unproven and those three are the top proven featherweights pac can possibly fight. this thread is rediculous.:p
You've said it well Jules. I'd like the starter of this thread to define step up coz he clearly does not know what it means.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
I think he worded it wrong. I think he just means he wants to see Pacquiao make those fights to happen at 135.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeYou've said it well Jules. I'd like the starter of this thread to define step up coz he clearly does not know what it means.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
But they are the main fighters at 135 and Pacquiao should fight him. People give Mayweather flack for not cleaning our a division so Pacquiao should do it and not get flack for not doing it when he does it even if him doing it wouldnt be impressive in the eyes of Julius :)
Hope i said that right
that's better. sorry for the neg reps majesty. I'll pay it back in double positive reps next time.
maybe Pac will clear the lightweight after fighting Hatton. As of now, the legit lightweight contenders are still unavailable.:cool:
pac testing the water at lightweight division by fighting a champion not good enough for you? i'm sure whoever pac fights next we'll hear some gripes. sorry, manny cannot fight all of them at the same time.Quote:
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Originally Posted by gyrokaiYour right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Even more reason that Pac should have fought him. Guzman needs his chance, hasn't had a big fight. Fightwise, he's younger than JMM, Diaz, Erik, AND Mab.
Pacquiao needs to step it up. It's getting to the point where his fights are not interesting.
Brilliant post
When you look at Pacs recent opponents, they all have summat in comm , they are either washed up or useless.
He has never fought a good up and coming boxer so I cant see why he would start now when he can continue fooling alot of his Countrymen and getting paid to do it.
I think the only division pac hasn't cleaned out is 135 which is the one he just came up to. floyd as good as he was goes up and never fought as much in any division. Now in his current division 147 he has a real great chance to add on to his legecy and beat cotto/margo but chooses to retire. Wait, who turn this into a floyd topic!!!!????? this is suppose to be about pac and pac's oppenent. Dammit Majesty why don't you just finish that second Pac vs Naz vid your working on :lickish:;D:lickish: The first one is nice, im sure the second one will be even better right? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyI think he worded it wrong. I think he just means he wants to see Pacquiao make those fights to happen at 135.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeYou've said it well Jules. I'd like the starter of this thread to define step up coz he clearly does not know what it means.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
But they are the main fighters at 135 and Pacquiao should fight him. People give Mayweather flack for not cleaning our a division so Pacquiao should do it and not get flack for not doing it when he does it even if him doing it wouldnt be impressive in the eyes of Julius :)
Hope i said that right
Oh its easy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI think the only division pac hasn't cleaned out is 135 which is the one he just came up to. floyd as good as he was goes up and never fought as much in any division. Now in his current division 147 he has a real great chance to add on to his legecy and beat cotto/margo but chooses to retire. Wait, who turn this into a floyd topic!!!!????? this is suppose to be about pac and pac's oppenent. Dammit Majesty why don't you just finish that second Pac vs Naz vid your working on :lickish:;D:lickish: The first one is nice, im sure the second one will be even better right? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyI think he worded it wrong. I think he just means he wants to see Pacquiao make those fights to happen at 135.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
But they are the main fighters at 135 and Pacquiao should fight him. People give Mayweather flack for not cleaning our a division so Pacquiao should do it and not get flack for not doing it when he does it even if him doing it wouldnt be impressive in the eyes of Julius :)
Hope i said that right
Trust me, when you have the number 1 and number 2 p4p fighters in the world then its easy for a topic to turn into them ;)
And I have so much on my computer it keeps exiting when I do the editing software so what Im gonna do is about 4 minutes of it leading up to the opening and then I'll post it here and get your thoughts
I'll be waiting :lickish::lickish::lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyOh its easy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI think the only division pac hasn't cleaned out is 135 which is the one he just came up to. floyd as good as he was goes up and never fought as much in any division. Now in his current division 147 he has a real great chance to add on to his legecy and beat cotto/margo but chooses to retire. Wait, who turn this into a floyd topic!!!!????? this is suppose to be about pac and pac's oppenent. Dammit Majesty why don't you just finish that second Pac vs Naz vid your working on :lickish:;D:lickish: The first one is nice, im sure the second one will be even better right? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Trust me, when you have the number 1 and number 2 p4p fighters in the world then its easy for a topic to turn into them ;)
And I have so much on my computer it keeps exiting when I do the editing software so what Im gonna do is about 4 minutes of it leading up to the opening and then I'll post it here and get your thoughts
JMM was robbed against Chris John fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyChris John? The guy who had a much easier time with JMM then he did?Quote:
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Originally Posted by gyrokai
I cant see how Marques was clearly the next best 130lb fighter and prior to both Pac-Man fights coming off career best runs.
Who else since 2006 would be a tougher fight for him than JMM?
Genaro Hernandez, Jose Luis Castillo, Diego Corrales, better than Marquez what are you on Majesty ?? Marquez skill wise is superior than all 3 of those fighters put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyCorrales and Castillo heck even Genaro Hernandez and Corrales are better are both better then Marquez imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie FanOK, I will bite.. Name me one fighter Mayweather faced better than Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Marquez only gets exposure for coming back against Pacquiao other then that he looked bad against Gainer and Chris John exposed how he can't come forward very well and beat him. There are people better then Marquez but he gets exposure from coming back from 3 knockdowns to nearly beat Pacquiao. Chris John beats Marquez but who fights Pacquiao again? Marquez can't seem to outbox a boxer which is something Corrales did to Casamayor the second time around and before facing Mayweather Corrales was an excellent boxer and people forget how great he was at 130 he knocked out a younger Derrick Gainer whom Marquez looked bad against even though Gainer didn't mount much offense Marquez couldn't seem to take true advantage of it and it showed some of his holes.
But go on :)
Meh I've put it behind me and am watching Urkel :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBGenaro Hernandez, Jose Luis Castillo, Diego Corrales, better than Marquez what are you on Majesty ?? Marquez skill wise is superior than all 3 of those fighters put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyCorrales and Castillo heck even Genaro Hernandez and Corrales are better are both better then Marquez imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Marquez only gets exposure for coming back against Pacquiao other then that he looked bad against Gainer and Chris John exposed how he can't come forward very well and beat him. There are people better then Marquez but he gets exposure from coming back from 3 knockdowns to nearly beat Pacquiao. Chris John beats Marquez but who fights Pacquiao again? Marquez can't seem to outbox a boxer which is something Corrales did to Casamayor the second time around and before facing Mayweather Corrales was an excellent boxer and people forget how great he was at 130 he knocked out a younger Derrick Gainer whom Marquez looked bad against even though Gainer didn't mount much offense Marquez couldn't seem to take true advantage of it and it showed some of his holes.
But go on :)
AS far as Pacquiao goes you can find out better what I think of him here
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...xing-show.html
But if you want someone on Mayweather's resume better then Marquez I'll still say Corrales. Call me crazy but Corrales at that weight was a monster and a good boxer, and even at lightweight his second fight with Casamayor showed his boxing skill when he uses it. I don't care what anyone says I'll always rank Corrales over Marquez.
No doubting Marquez's skill though. I just wish him and Barerra had a rematch.
How did he beat barerra and barerra get a rematch with pacquiao before marquez did?
But i'm done replying to this thread as I don't want to keep repeating :(
But if you look above you'll find there's more of my thoughts on him then just that one post. But I'm not gonna let this thread get out of hand. Leave it in the past, look at my above opinion on pacquiao being at least p4p number 2 and keep this thread going without become a flame or diss war :)