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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
The fight would be far more appealing if there was some animosity between them.
But really it's just a nice safe fight for both.
I notice everyone picking Roy is expecting the KO. Says it all really.
If they don't coast - Jones will quit when he gets tired. ;)
:lolhaha: Yeah Cuz Jones has a history of quitting, huh?
Yeah, and Jones has a habit of being knocked out in almost as many fights as he wins these days. :rolleyes:;)
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
The fight would be far more appealing if there was some animosity between them.
But really it's just a nice safe fight for both.
I notice everyone picking Roy is expecting the KO. Says it all really.
If they don't coast - Jones will quit when he gets tired. ;)
:lolhaha: Yeah Cuz Jones has a history of quitting, huh?
Yeah, and Jones has a habit of being knocked out in almost as many fights as he wins these days. :rolleyes:;)
Not against slappers like Calzaghe he doesn't!
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Jones is going to back into the ropes like always. And just cover up. And Calzaghe will just keep punching him. Jones will than realize this muthafukka ain't really punching me. Hes just slapping me. And it doesn't hurt. Jones will proceed to open up and knock Calzaghe out. Pretty simple fight
Totally agree. Joe should have demanded the fight be at smw because he just looked awful at LH against a 43 year old man. Also Jones as we know has struggled for a long time to make weights below LH and struggled with that for a few fights after his stint at heavy weight but seems very comfortable back there now. ROY WILL WIN THIS FIGHT!!!!!!!
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Taeth
I just watched his fight with Trinidad again, and if he tries to fight Calzaghe, expecting to fight at that pace he is dead. Calzaghe will use intelligent pressure like he did against Hopkins, but unlike Bernard, Roy doesn't move anymore, and his defensive style of the ropes isn't cagey, he just covers up, and Calzaghe doesn't get tired, so unless he uses more footwork than I've seen from him in over 6 years, or he decides to actually put some leverage behind his punches like he used to, then he might as well not even go to New York becuase he will make Joe look a lot better than he is, and he will make himself look like a fool.
So what your trying to say is he didn't use good footwork against Woods and Ruiz???????
Some of his best ever footwork was in these fights and both were in the last 6 years.
Also I'm expecting a different fighting style to the one he used against Tito he knew he could just stand there with him and I felt that he could have landed much harder punches at any time if he needed to and have knocked him out. Instead he went in there got twelve rounds under his belt and went looking for Calzaghe. Believe me Ive been following roys career for over 15 years now and he's been planning this for a long time. ROY WILL WIN THIS FIGHT!!!!!!! If he doesnt I will change my name on here to "Roy Jones is a bum" i'm that confident.
He didn't use great footwork against Woods or Ruiz... Ruiz was so much slower than him that he stood right in front of Ruiz, and when Ruiz decided to come forward Roy was fast enough to get out of the way. Against Woods, Roy beat him easily, but he was backed up onto the ropes more than once against Woods, which would never happen if he was fighting like he did against Toney.
Also RJJ said he didn't have trouble making 170 against Trinidad, Also don't be giving Hopkins bad rep he is still one of the top 5 fighters in world IMO.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
Here are some things people on here aren't comprehending.
1. You can't compare this version of RJJ to this version of B-Hop. While one of them has foughten at the top level consistently(Taylor, Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe) over the last 3 years the other has foughten only one legitimate opponent, a natural WW, who hadn't won a big fight since Mayorga in like 2004. Trinidad isn't a bad fighter, but he isn't an good indicator of what the top fighters are.
2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
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2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
power is the last thing to go with a fighter... Jones has more accuaracey and more snap on his punches than Nard, Fact!!!! Not to mention his handspeed is still remarkable...
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
Here are some things people on here aren't comprehending.
1. You can't compare this version of RJJ to this version of B-Hop. While one of them has foughten at the top level consistently(Taylor, Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe) over the last 3 years the other has foughten only one legitimate opponent, a natural WW, who hadn't won a big fight since Mayorga in like 2004. Trinidad isn't a bad fighter, but he isn't an good indicator of what the top fighters are.
2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
Well it will be very interesting to see who is right after the fight. Like I said before I'll change my name to Roy Jones is a bum if he loses which will hurt as he is my all time hero.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
RJJ could easily out point Calzaghe and thats the only way I see him winning, but it has to be real real convincing. His name alone won't win him rounds, he has to do his best ALI impersonation and dance-stick-dance-stick-clinch a winning formula for an ageing great.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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Violent Demise
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Kirkland Laing
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Violent Demise
Jones is going to back into the ropes like always. And just cover up. And Calzaghe will just keep punching him. Jones will than realize this muthafukka ain't really punching me. Hes just slapping me. And it doesn't hurt. Jones will proceed to open up and knock Calzaghe out. Pretty simple fight
Just like Hopkins, Kessler, Lacy... :)
A few years ago this would have been a hell of a fight but not in 2008 and you're well aware of this.
None of them have the hand speed that Jones has
Or the chin;D
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
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2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
power is the last thing to go with a fighter... Jones has more accuaracey and more snap on his punches than Nard, Fact!!!! Not to mention his handspeed is still remarkable...
How can you argue who has a more accuracy? Hopkins of late has foughten way better defensive fighters than Roy since Roy last got KO'ed... Also Hopkins lands more telling blows, and he gets hit by less punches than Jones.
Also Roy's power is gone, not because it isn't potentially there, but because Roy has tried to maintain his speed, he doesn't follow through on his punches anymore. Watch how short he throws his right hands against Trinidad.
Also Roy JOnes Jr losing to Calzaghe would not make him a bum in any shape or form. This is the #2(# 3 in my books) p4p fighter. Joe hasn't foughten the same level of competition as long as Roy, nor has he gone up the heavyweight and come back down, nor has he had two devastating knock outs. All these adds up to Roy being a lot further down the beaten path then JOe is.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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Taeth
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JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
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2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
power is the last thing to go with a fighter... Jones has more accuaracey and more snap on his punches than Nard, Fact!!!! Not to mention his handspeed is still remarkable...
How can you argue who has a more accuracy? Hopkins of late has foughten way better defensive fighters than Roy since Roy last got KO'ed... Also Hopkins lands more telling blows, and he gets hit by less punches than Jones.
Also Roy's power is gone, not because it isn't potentially there, but because Roy has tried to maintain his speed, he doesn't follow through on his punches anymore. Watch how short he throws his right hands against Trinidad.
Also Roy JOnes Jr losing to Calzaghe would not make him a bum in any shape or form. This is the #2(# 3 in my books) p4p fighter. Joe hasn't foughten the same level of competition as long as Roy, nor has he gone up the heavyweight and come back down, nor has he had two devastating knock outs. All these adds up to Roy being a lot further down the beaten path then JOe is.
I dont buy it man, but your certainly entitled to your opinion;)
Hopkins has the most enemic punch count in boxing today and no fukin way does he have more power than Jones
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
he never used to have more power than Roy, but he certainly does now. Roy doesn't hit hard at all anymore, but Hopkins still has respectable power, he hurt Calzaghe a few times(and not Calzaghe was never hurt by Kessler realistically), He hurt Tarver, he, Bernard, didn't hit Winky really hard, but he had to throw shorter punches just to land on Ronald. Where has Roy shown power? Beside a punch to the temple which Trinidad acted like he got hit in the temple, and a jab that caught Trinidad off balance where did Roy show a significant amount of power?
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
What Fucked Jones was moving up to Heavy, developing muscle and having to lose it Neurophysicaly thats hard. To me it looked about5 kilo now thats no easy thing to move, neurons dont like the Hassle of change over a short period they get the Hump and dont respond ignorant little Fuckers. But they might be listening again.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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rjj tszyu
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Taeth
Here are some things people on here aren't comprehending.
1. You can't compare this version of RJJ to this version of B-Hop. While one of them has foughten at the top level consistently(Taylor, Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe) over the last 3 years the other has foughten only one legitimate opponent, a natural WW, who hadn't won a big fight since Mayorga in like 2004. Trinidad isn't a bad fighter, but he isn't an good indicator of what the top fighters are.
2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
Well it will be very interesting to see who is right after the fight. Like I said before I'll change my name to Roy Jones is a bum if he loses which will hurt as he is my all time hero.
I agree with you 99% , but: Do me a favor,dont write Roy Jones is a bum out in public ,unless you will personally walk up and say it to his face also. Respect 4 all fighters ;). MAybe something like "I was wrong Clzage fans were right" would be more to the point.But you should be ok on the night too :cool:.Cool head ,fast hands=deep water for Joe.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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Scrap
What Fucked Jones was moving up to Heavy, developing muscle and having to lose it Neurophysicaly thats hard. To me it looked about5 kilo now thats no easy thing to move, neurons dont like the Hassle of change over a short period they get the Hump and dont respond ignorant little Fuckers. But they might be listening again.
;D My misses is back tonight; with luck some of my neurons will get the hump too.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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mexirican
RJJ could easily out point Calzaghe and thats the only way I see him winning, but it has to be real real convincing. His name alone won't win him rounds, he has to do his best ALI impersonation and dance-stick-dance-stick-clinch a winning formula for an ageing great.
"RJJ could easily put point Calzaghe"
Jezus christ where do you people get off.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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Andre
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
Here are some things people on here aren't comprehending.
1. You can't compare this version of RJJ to this version of B-Hop. While one of them has foughten at the top level consistently(Taylor, Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe) over the last 3 years the other has foughten only one legitimate opponent, a natural WW, who hadn't won a big fight since Mayorga in like 2004. Trinidad isn't a bad fighter, but he isn't an good indicator of what the top fighters are.
2. Roy has lost his power, he doesn't hit harder IMO than Hopkins does.
3. He will be in huge trouble if he gets caught on the ropes consistently. He has adapted his defense, but he can still be hit.
Well it will be very interesting to see who is right after the fight. Like I said before I'll change my name to Roy Jones is a bum if he loses which will hurt as he is my all time hero.
I agree with you 99% , but: Do me a favor,dont write Roy Jones is a bum out in public ,unless you will personally walk up and say it to his face also. Respect 4 all fighters ;). MAybe something like "I was wrong Clzage fans were right" would be more to the point.But you should be ok on the night too :cool:.Cool head ,fast hands=deep water for Joe.
Ah yeah maybe your right. I will write "I was wrong Calzaghe fans were right" if the unimaginable happens.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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Scrap
What Fucked Jones was moving up to Heavy, developing muscle and having to lose it Neurophysicaly thats hard. To me it looked about5 kilo now thats no easy thing to move, neurons dont like the Hassle of change over a short period they get the Hump and dont respond ignorant little Fuckers. But they might be listening again.
This is exactly what I've been trying to say. I believe his questionable chin came from him draining himself in this way but I think his body has re-established itself as a LHs body again and his power will mark my words be back for this fight. He has said for a long time himself now that he will not hurt anybody unless he has to. Well he may just have to hurt Joe. That said to say he's hitting so gently just recently according to certain people on this thread, Ajamu would probably disagree with you as he spent over 2 weeks in hospital after their fight with internal bleeding from the "soft" body shots Jones was bombarding him with!
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
Jones went in to his shell every time Trinidad attacked which wasnt often and bearing in mind Trinidad was a welter;D
Jones might as well take a german bunker and place against the ropes, that is the only way I see him lasting the distance.
Jones is too slow to engage or run away, he has no upper body movement, just a high guard he hides behind.
At this point in time Calzaghe holds all the aces, at one point it would have been on even terms but Jones is trying to fool his fans, I dont think hes fooling himself because he didnt try fighting in his last fight with Tarver.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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ross
Jones went in to his shell every time Trinidad attacked which wasnt often and bearing in mind Trinidad was a welter;D
Jones might as well take a german bunker and place against the ropes, that is the only way I see him lasting the distance.
Jones is too slow to engage or run away, he has no upper body movement, just a high guard he hides behind.
At this point in time Calzaghe holds all the aces, at one point it would have been on even terms but Jones is trying to fool his fans, I dont think hes fooling himself because he didnt try fighting in his last fight with Tarver.
Jones knew that cuz he was much bigger than Tito that everytime he thrwew punches he just had to stand there with his hands up high cuz he knew Tito couldnt get round his defence. He saw that vs Winky and thought theres no need to punch with Tito .
Jones got his flair back in that fight , you could see the way he was showboating that he felt in total control, but the look he had on his face in the 3rd Tarver fight is the same look I expect to see in this fight - One that says he knows he isnt doing enough to win and is struggling to keep up the pace.
What the Tito performance did tell us is that give Jones the room to box and he will but even if he does land cleanly he wont ever try and finish the job so I dont see how he beats Joe in this fight .
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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Violent Demise
Jones is going to back into the ropes like always. And just cover up. And Calzaghe will just keep punching him. Jones will than realize this muthafukka ain't really punching me. Hes just slapping me. And it doesn't hurt. Jones will proceed to open up and knock Calzaghe out. Pretty simple fight
Jones hasn't stopped anyone since 2002 including Tito who was best at Welter and just stood in front of him all night, but sure he'll stop Calzaghe who's never been in real trouble and has great movement ;)
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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GAME
What the Tito performance did tell us is that give Jones the room to box and he will but even if he does land cleanly he wont ever try and finish the job so I dont see how he beats Joe in this fight .
What Jones last fight told me, is that give Jones an ex welter who hasnt fought for 3 years was coming off a loss in that fight and hadnt won for Four years, then he will do Ok but still not great.
Trinidad wouldnt have been standing to the final bell with Calzaghe;D
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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ross
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GAME
What the Tito performance did tell us is that give Jones the room to box and he will but even if he does land cleanly he wont ever try and finish the job so I dont see how he beats Joe in this fight .
What Jones last fight told me, is that give Jones an ex welter who hasnt fought for 3 years was coming off a loss in that fight and hadnt won for Four years, then he will do Ok but still not great.
Trinidad wouldnt have been standing to the final bell with Calzaghe;D
You reckon ?
You could be right but I duno . Wright didnt stop Tito and Joe hasnt been putting people over recently so Tito may have been able to last with him . Jones did a pretty clean job on Trinidad but I suspect Joes would be alot uglier and messy. As I say could be wrong but there you go.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
tbh I don't think either of these guys are big punchers anymore, If I was betting I'd say its going to points. If there was to be a stoppage though I'd bet on Calzaghe, I just think Roy's afraid of being hit nowadays. Against Tito he looked over cagey, though saying that I still think Calzaghe on points
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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Phil
tbh I don't think either of these guys are big punchers anymore, If I was betting I'd say its going to points. If there was to be a stoppage though I'd bet on Calzaghe, I just think Roy's afraid of being hit nowadays. Against Tito he looked over cagey, though saying that I still think Calzaghe on points
I'd say Jones may have a slight edge in power cuz he still hits correctly with the knuckle part of the glove even if he doesnt let them go that much . I havent seen Joe really sit down on his punches for a while. Even vs Manfreddo he relied on flurries.
Still if theres a stoppage it will be through workrate, pace and Joe not letting Roy breathe and feel his age.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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GAME
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Phil
tbh I don't think either of these guys are big punchers anymore, If I was betting I'd say its going to points. If there was to be a stoppage though I'd bet on Calzaghe, I just think Roy's afraid of being hit nowadays. Against Tito he looked over cagey, though saying that I still think Calzaghe on points
I'd say Jones may have a slight edge in power cuz he still hits correctly with the knuckle part of the glove even if he doesnt let them go that much . I havent seen Joe really sit down on his punches for a while. Even vs Manfreddo he relied on flurries.
Still if theres a stoppage it will be through workrate, pace and Joe not letting Roy breathe and feel his age.
Yeah Calzaghes hands are done, he hasn't punched well in years, but he still has enough power to gain respect off his opponents, Roy can bang but just doesn't really let the hands go any more, I guess both could surprise us, we'll have to wait and see :)
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
Joe isnt the most powerfull puncher, even his gym mate Locket said Pavlik hit a little harder but, if you are easy to hit or cant keep a pace then Joe Calzaghe is a nightmare opponent for you.
Joe does throw combinations that dont look damaging but he is acurate and if he can land on a few sweet spots a few times in quick succession then he is going to hurt them.
The Mitchell fight was a prime example.;)
Even in the Manfredo fight, ok some of the punches werent landing but Joe could have kept that up all night
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
I see the fight going the distance.
If Jones still has good speed and reflexes and buzzes Joe with some punches early, he has a good shot at making Joe weary about rushing in and out pointing him.
If he does not get Joe's respect early, Joe will outwork him all night and take the win.
The key for Jones is slowing the pace down. If he cannot slow Joe down, Joe walks away with this.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
You know that aint gonna happen;D
Hopkins put Joe down whithin the first minute but couldnt do fuuck all!!!
Joe is coming toward the end of his career, at first I hated him because he beat Eubank and Reid, I loved them Two as boxers but he has got my respect and he should have earned everyone elses.
In my eyes this Jones fight is the same as the Hopkins fight, a full gone conclusion, Joe will win easy.
Yes Jones was a good fighter but that is in the past, Joe only wants him for his name value, infact Joe laughed off an offer from Jones a while back because Jones wasnt on the map any more but 1 win over an old retired welter and Jones has got his fans in a lather once again;D
It dont take much really;D
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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GAME
Trinidad wouldnt have been standing to the final bell with Calzaghe;D
Never know, we may find out one day, after the Jones fight.
Retirement home vs retirement home will be comming to a channel near you.
I cant belive we just had the Fennich verses Azuma embassment.
By the way ,You guys here were great, not wasting one post on it.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
I really wish these two fought when Jones was in his prime...Roy would have exposed Joe for the over hyped fighter he is. Obviously Jones is now well past his prime...and he certainly could lose this fight. BUT...Joe's performance against Hopkins hardly inspires confidence. I personally had Hopkins at the VERY LEAST fighting Joe to a draw in their fight. Hopkins was past his prime as well, was hardly active in that fight, and pretty much through only one punch (the straight right). Yet he landed the more meaningful punches. Of course Joe threw a ton of pitter patter punches...most of which didn't land or cause damage. What does this all mean to me....that Jones vs. Calzaghe is a toss up fight. Even now...Jones is the better athlete. But i guess you can say that Joe is the mentally more confident fighter in recent years. If Roy can show up sharp and active...he can win.
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Re: If Roy doesn't use more footwork, he might as well not show up
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ross
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GAME
Trinidad wouldnt have been standing to the final bell with Calzaghe;D
Never know, we may find out one day, after the Jones fight.
Retirement home vs retirement home will be comming to a channel near you.
I cant belive we just had the Fennich verses Azuma embassment.
By the way ,You guys here were great, not wasting one post on it.
I didnt say that .
That was a quote from Ross
