Joel gets stopped - major surprise

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I think you have the wrong idea just because Manny Pacquiao is P4P number 1 and because he beat Juan Manuel Marquez at *Super Featherweight* i really don't see what that has to do with *Lightweight rankings* the fact is Juan Manuel Marquez's one win at Lightweight was more impressive than Manny Pacquiao's one win at Lightweight based on opposition hence why Juan Manuel Marquez is higher on my list.

Come on... Rankings is based on fighter's resume... Then how do you explained why PAC and JMM were the favorites in facing the lightweight champs respectively... This also explain why a boxer is ranked at his new division even if he has not fought yet in that division... It's based on the fighter's resume or record or accomplishments...
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No there not thats why we have a thing called P4P rankings and individual rankings for each weightclass the fact is *Lightweight rankings* are based on a fighters accomplishment at that weightclass not what they have done at other weightclasses your confusing P4P rankings with individual rankings thats not how it works and as for Edwin Valero again i can't see what your getting at ? Edwin Valero has never fought at Lightweight and has no fights scheduled at Lightweight its stupid logic and if we all thought that way then every single fighter at the top of there division would automatically be rated in a higher weightclass.

So why did WBO ranked Guzman no. 1 at lightweight when Guzman hasn't fought at lightweight yet ??

WBO Official Lightweight rankings as of Sept.

Champ NATE CAMPBELL USA Interim
1 Joan Guzman DR
2 Juan Diaz USA
3 Anthony Peterson USA
4 Jorge Terron (NABO) USA
5 Breidis Prescott (Int-Cont) COL
6 Michael Katsidis AUST
7 Martin Kristjansen DEN
8 Ali Funeka SA
9 Bobby Pacquiao (Asia-Pacific) PHI
10 Vicente Escobedo USA

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Come on... Rankings is based on fighter's resume... Then how do you explained why PAC and JMM were the favorites in facing the lightweight champs respectively... This also explain why a boxer is ranked at his new division even if he has not fought yet in that division... It's based on the fighter's resume or record or accomplishments...
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No there not thats why we have a thing called P4P rankings and individual rankings for each weightclass the fact is *Lightweight rankings* are based on a fighters accomplishment at that weightclass not what they have done at other weightclasses your confusing P4P rankings with individual rankings thats not how it works and as for Edwin Valero again i can't see what your getting at ? Edwin Valero has never fought at Lightweight and has no fights scheduled at Lightweight its stupid logic and if we all thought that way then every single fighter at the top of there division would automatically be rated in a higher weightclass.

So why did WBO ranked Guzman no. 1 at lightweight when Guzman hasn't fought at lightweight yet ??

WBO Official Lightweight rankings as of Sept.

Champ NATE CAMPBELL USA Interim
1 Joan Guzman DR
2 Juan Diaz USA
3 Anthony Peterson USA
4 Jorge Terron (NABO) USA
5 Breidis Prescott (Int-Cont) COL
6 Michael Katsidis AUST
7 Martin Kristjansen DEN
8 Ali Funeka SA
9 Bobby Pacquiao (Asia-Pacific) PHI
10 Vicente Escobedo USA

Because he was fighting Nate Campbell who is the best Lightweight at the moment so it automatically makes him the number one centender does it not ?

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Since when has the betting favorite had anything to do with rank? I didn't see PAC or JMM ranked before their respective fights, I would love for you to provide some evidence of that.

Here's Fightnews dot com Lightweight rankings as of Sept. 8:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Joel Casamayor
4. Juan Diaz
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Joan Guzman
7. Edwin Valero
8. Breidis Prescott
9. Michael Katsidis
10. Julio Diaz

Noticed that Guzman and Valero hasn't fought at lightweight yet but they are ranked already...
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So they are going for Fightnews.com belt?

Here, now that I've got you to accept the official decisions, how about we take the next step and look at the official rankings.

Fightnews got no belt but I consider its rankings the same with that of a magazine... ;D They're both NOT an official sanctioning bodies...

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Come on... Rankings is based on fighter's resume... Then how do you explained why PAC and JMM were the favorites in facing the lightweight champs respectively... This also explain why a boxer is ranked at his new division even if he has not fought yet in that division... It's based on the fighter's resume or record or accomplishments...
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No there not thats why we have a thing called P4P rankings and individual rankings for each weightclass the fact is *Lightweight rankings* are based on a fighters accomplishment at that weightclass not what they have done at other weightclasses your confusing P4P rankings with individual rankings thats not how it works and as for Edwin Valero again i can't see what your getting at ? Edwin Valero has never fought at Lightweight and has no fights scheduled at Lightweight its stupid logic and if we all thought that way then every single fighter at the top of there division would automatically be rated in a higher weightclass.

So why did WBO ranked Guzman no. 1 at lightweight when Guzman hasn't fought at lightweight yet ??

WBO Official Lightweight rankings as of Sept.

Champ NATE CAMPBELL USA Interim
1 Joan Guzman DR
2 Juan Diaz USA
3 Anthony Peterson USA
4 Jorge Terron (NABO) USA
5 Breidis Prescott (Int-Cont) COL
6 Michael Katsidis AUST
7 Martin Kristjansen DEN
8 Ali Funeka SA
9 Bobby Pacquiao (Asia-Pacific) PHI
10 Vicente Escobedo USA

Because the WBO is just a strap organization and can be bought and sold.
Let's just recognize "The Ring" or you end up in this mess. You can't go with strap holder rankings because not only do they do bullshit like that, but they also don't rank other organizations Champs.

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it doesnt shock me i predicted it on one thread

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Originally Posted by ICB

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No there not thats why we have a thing called P4P rankings and individual rankings for each weightclass the fact is *Lightweight rankings* are based on a fighters accomplishment at that weightclass not what they have done at other weightclasses your confusing P4P rankings with individual rankings thats not how it works and as for Edwin Valero again i can't see what your getting at ? Edwin Valero has never fought at Lightweight and has no fights scheduled at Lightweight its stupid logic and if we all thought that way then every single fighter at the top of there division would automatically be rated in a higher weightclass.

So why did WBO ranked Guzman no. 1 at lightweight when Guzman hasn't fought at lightweight yet ??

WBO Official Lightweight rankings as of Sept.

Champ NATE CAMPBELL USA Interim
1 Joan Guzman DR
2 Juan Diaz USA
3 Anthony Peterson USA
4 Jorge Terron (NABO) USA
5 Breidis Prescott (Int-Cont) COL
6 Michael Katsidis AUST
7 Martin Kristjansen DEN
8 Ali Funeka SA
9 Bobby Pacquiao (Asia-Pacific) PHI
10 Vicente Escobedo USA

Because he was fighting Nate Campbell who is the best Lightweight at the moment so it automatically makes him the number one centender does it not ?

Not that reason or else what do you think Juan Diaz (or Anthony Peterson) say about that? ;)

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Here's Fightnews dot com Lightweight rankings as of Sept. 8:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Joel Casamayor
4. Juan Diaz
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Joan Guzman
7. Edwin Valero
8. Breidis Prescott
9. Michael Katsidis
10. Julio Diaz

Noticed that Guzman and Valero hasn't fought at lightweight yet but they are ranked already...
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So they are going for Fightnews.com belt?

Here, now that I've got you to accept the official decisions, how about we take the next step and look at the official rankings.

Fightnews got no belt but I consider its rankings the same with that of a magazine... ;D They're both NOT an official sanctioning bodies...

http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...0_20080402.jpg

Wanna guess what belt Manny has on his left arm?

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Originally Posted by ICB

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So why did WBO ranked Guzman no. 1 at lightweight when Guzman hasn't fought at lightweight yet ??

WBO Official Lightweight rankings as of Sept.

Champ NATE CAMPBELL USA Interim
1 Joan Guzman DR
2 Juan Diaz USA
3 Anthony Peterson USA
4 Jorge Terron (NABO) USA
5 Breidis Prescott (Int-Cont) COL
6 Michael Katsidis AUST
7 Martin Kristjansen DEN
8 Ali Funeka SA
9 Bobby Pacquiao (Asia-Pacific) PHI
10 Vicente Escobedo USA

Because he was fighting Nate Campbell who is the best Lightweight at the moment so it automatically makes him the number one centender does it not ?

Not that reason or else what do you think Juan Diaz (or Anthony Peterson) say about that? ;)

I don't understand what your trying to say Joan Guzman was challenging for Nate Campbell's belt's which automatically makes him the number 1 contender now the fight has been cancelled he should be erased off the Lightweight rankings its totally different to Edwin Valero.

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Because he was fighting Nate Campbell who is the best Lightweight at the moment so it automatically makes him the number one centender does it not ?

Not that reason or else what do you think Juan Diaz (or Anthony Peterson) say about that? ;)

I don't understand what your trying to say Joan Guzman was challenging for Nate Campbell's belt's which automatically makes him the number 1 contender now the fight has been cancelled he should be erased off the Lightweight rankings its totally different to Edwin Valero.

I think Guzman got the no. 1 rankings at 135 because he is the WBO 130 division champ...

Valero is ranked by Figthnews at no. 5 at 135 because he is the WBA 130 champ...

See this ranking bodies does consider your rankings in your previous division...
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Not that reason or else what do you think Juan Diaz (or Anthony Peterson) say about that? ;)

I don't understand what your trying to say Joan Guzman was challenging for Nate Campbell's belt's which automatically makes him the number 1 contender now the fight has been cancelled he should be erased off the Lightweight rankings its totally different to Edwin Valero.

I think Guzman got the no. 1 rankings at 135 because he is the WBO 130 division champ...

Valero is ranked by Figthnews at no. 5 at 135 because he is the WBA 130 champ...

See this ranking bodies does consider your rankings in your previous division...
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Which makes no sense.

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So they are going for Fightnews.com belt?

Here, now that I've got you to accept the official decisions, how about we take the next step and look at the official rankings.

Fightnews got no belt but I consider its rankings the same with that of a magazine... ;D They're both NOT an official sanctioning bodies...

http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...0_20080402.jpg

Wanna guess what belt Manny has on his left arm?

It's the one from the magazine... but I didn't really refer to it when I justified PAC's no. 1 ranking at 135... ;)
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Not that reason or else what do you think Juan Diaz (or Anthony Peterson) say about that? ;)

I don't understand what your trying to say Joan Guzman was challenging for Nate Campbell's belt's which automatically makes him the number 1 contender now the fight has been cancelled he should be erased off the Lightweight rankings its totally different to Edwin Valero.

I think Guzman got the no. 1 rankings at 135 because he is the WBO 130 division champ...

Valero is ranked by Figthnews at no. 5 at 135 because he is the WBA 130 champ...

See this ranking bodies does consider your rankings in your previous division...
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As i said Joan Guzman was number 1 because he was challenging for Nate Campbell's belt's which makes him the number 1 contender automatically which makes sense having Edwin Valero on any Lightweight rankings makes no sense because not only does he not have any fights scheduled at Lightweight even worse he has had no fights at Lightweight if we are using your logic then Vernon Forrest should be ranked at Middleweight ? or Chad Dawson should be ranked at Cruiserweight ? do you see where this logic fails ?

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Fightnews got no belt but I consider its rankings the same with that of a magazine... ;D They're both NOT an official sanctioning bodies...

http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...0_20080402.jpg

Wanna guess what belt Manny has on his left arm?

It's the one from the magazine... but I didn't really refer to it when I justified PAC's no. 1 ranking at 135... ;)
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You still haven't justified PAC at number 1.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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I don't understand what your trying to say Joan Guzman was challenging for Nate Campbell's belt's which automatically makes him the number 1 contender now the fight has been cancelled he should be erased off the Lightweight rankings its totally different to Edwin Valero.

I think Guzman got the no. 1 rankings at 135 because he is the WBO 130 division champ...

Valero is ranked by Figthnews at no. 5 at 135 because he is the WBA 130 champ...

See this ranking bodies does consider your rankings in your previous division...
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Which makes no sense.

So "we" better replace the people in the rankings committee of Fightnews and WBO ??

"We" make more sense I guess ... :lolhaha:
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I think Guzman got the no. 1 rankings at 135 because he is the WBO 130 division champ...

Valero is ranked by Figthnews at no. 5 at 135 because he is the WBA 130 champ...

See this ranking bodies does consider your rankings in your previous division...
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Which makes no sense.

So "we" better replace the people in the rankings committee of Fightnews and WBO ??

"We" make more sense I guess ... :lolhaha:
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Its stupid logic and you know it my post above pretty much says it all and how bad the logic fails i never said Joan Guzman at number 1 was stupid logic i said that makes sense but having Edwin Valero there makes no sense.

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http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...0_20080402.jpg

Wanna guess what belt Manny has on his left arm?

It's the one from the magazine... but I didn't really refer to it when I justified PAC's no. 1 ranking at 135... ;)
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You still haven't justified PAC at number 1.

I already did... but you have a different opinion... I respect that...
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It's the one from the magazine... but I didn't really refer to it when I justified PAC's no. 1 ranking at 135... ;)
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You still haven't justified PAC at number 1.

I already did... but you have a different opinion... I respect that...
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And Fightnews must of not updated Edwin Valero because it says he is number 1 behind Manny Pacquiao thats when there were talks of that fight happening but that was a good few months ago so Edwin Valero should be taken off the list.

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It's the one from the magazine... but I didn't really refer to it when I justified PAC's no. 1 ranking at 135... ;)
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You still haven't justified PAC at number 1.

I already did... but you have a different opinion... I respect that...
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You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

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I don't understand what your trying to say Joan Guzman was challenging for Nate Campbell's belt's which automatically makes him the number 1 contender now the fight has been cancelled he should be erased off the Lightweight rankings its totally different to Edwin Valero.

I think Guzman got the no. 1 rankings at 135 because he is the WBO 130 division champ...

Valero is ranked by Figthnews at no. 5 at 135 because he is the WBA 130 champ...

See this ranking bodies does consider your rankings in your previous division...
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As i said Joan Guzman was number 1 because he was challenging for Nate Campbell's belt's which makes him the number 1 contender automatically which makes sense having Edwin Valero on any Lightweight rankings makes no sense because not only does he not have any fights scheduled at Lightweight even worse he has had no fights at Lightweight if we are using your logic then Vernon Forrest should be ranked at Middleweight ? or Chad Dawson should be ranked at Cruiserweight ? do you see where this logic fails ?

No. 2 to No. 15 can also challenge the champion... It's the other way around, Guzman was ranked at no. 1 (coz he's a 130 champ) and got the no. 1 mandatory challenger status NOT that he challenged the champ so he got the no. 1 contender ranking... ;D automatically ?? :lolhaha:
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You still haven't justified PAC at number 1.

I already did... but you have a different opinion... I respect that...
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You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews :lolhaha: )
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I think Guzman got the no. 1 rankings at 135 because he is the WBO 130 division champ...

Valero is ranked by Figthnews at no. 5 at 135 because he is the WBA 130 champ...

See this ranking bodies does consider your rankings in your previous division...
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As i said Joan Guzman was number 1 because he was challenging for Nate Campbell's belt's which makes him the number 1 contender automatically which makes sense having Edwin Valero on any Lightweight rankings makes no sense because not only does he not have any fights scheduled at Lightweight even worse he has had no fights at Lightweight if we are using your logic then Vernon Forrest should be ranked at Middleweight ? or Chad Dawson should be ranked at Cruiserweight ? do you see where this logic fails ?

No. 2 to No. 15 can also challenge the champion... It's the other way around, Guzman was ranked at no. 1 (coz he's a 130 champ) and got the mandatory challenger status NOT that because he challenged the champ so he got the no. 1 contender ranking... ;D automatically ?? :lolhaha:
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You like PAC the most at 135, that's what you're saying right?
Because you don't see the flaws in your own argument.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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I think Guzman got the no. 1 rankings at 135 because he is the WBO 130 division champ...

Valero is ranked by Figthnews at no. 5 at 135 because he is the WBA 130 champ...

See this ranking bodies does consider your rankings in your previous division...
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As i said Joan Guzman was number 1 because he was challenging for Nate Campbell's belt's which makes him the number 1 contender automatically which makes sense having Edwin Valero on any Lightweight rankings makes no sense because not only does he not have any fights scheduled at Lightweight even worse he has had no fights at Lightweight if we are using your logic then Vernon Forrest should be ranked at Middleweight ? or Chad Dawson should be ranked at Cruiserweight ? do you see where this logic fails ?

No. 2 to No. 15 can also challenge the champion... It's the other way around, Guzman was ranked at no. 1 (coz he's a 130 champ) and got the mandatory challenger status NOT that because he challenged the champ so he got the no. 1 contender ranking... ;D automatically ?? :lolhaha:
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Of course it is he is challenging the champion so he becomes number 1 challenger i know full well about number 2 to number 15 ranking challengers can challenge the champion but thats different in this case but what does Joan Guzman's accomplishments at 130 have to do with his ranking ? absolute nothing and that fact you have to keep using sites to prove your argument without actually voicing your opinion speaks volumes because i don't think you even understand the logic either.

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I already did... but you have a different opinion... I respect that...
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You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews :lolhaha: )
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Yea you copied fightnews because you have no opinion of your own.

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As i said Joan Guzman was number 1 because he was challenging for Nate Campbell's belt's which makes him the number 1 contender automatically which makes sense having Edwin Valero on any Lightweight rankings makes no sense because not only does he not have any fights scheduled at Lightweight even worse he has had no fights at Lightweight if we are using your logic then Vernon Forrest should be ranked at Middleweight ? or Chad Dawson should be ranked at Cruiserweight ? do you see where this logic fails ?

No. 2 to No. 15 can also challenge the champion... It's the other way around, Guzman was ranked at no. 1 (coz he's a 130 champ) and got the mandatory challenger status NOT that because he challenged the champ so he got the no. 1 contender ranking... ;D automatically ?? :lolhaha:
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You like PAC the most at 135, that's what you're saying right?
Because you don't see the flaws in your own argument.

Nope... I'm trying to justify Fightnews no. 1 ranking of PAC...

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I already did... but you have a different opinion... I respect that...
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You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews :lolhaha: )
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So maybe you can tell me how Fightnews ranks fighters? Let's start with that.

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You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews :lolhaha: )
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Yea you copied fightnews because you have no opinion of your own.

It will sound too arrogant if I'll claimed Fightnews copied my rankings... ;) Seriously I think PAC is the no. 1 lightweight...

Anyway since PAC will be jumping to 147... I hope Campbell and JMM will have a fight to determine who's no. 1 (the spot vacated by PAC) ... :lolhaha:
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At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews :lolhaha: )
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Yea you copied fightnews because you have no opinion of your own.

It will sound too arrogant if I'll claimed Fightnews copied my rankings... ;) Seriously I think PAC is the no. 1 lightweight...

Anyway since PAC will be jumping to 147... I hope Campbell and JMM will have a fight to determine who's no. 1 (the spot vacated by PAC) ... :lolhaha:
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You provided no valid arguments for ranking PAC higher than JMM at 135.

At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews :lolhaha: )
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So maybe you can tell me how Fightnews ranks fighters? Let's start with that.

The most logical answer why Valero is ranked by Fightnews at lightweight even if Valero has no fight yet at that division is because he's a 130 champ... That's how I read it...

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At least me and Fightnews agree and ranked PAC at no. 1 ... (actually I copied Fightnews :lolhaha: )
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So maybe you can tell me how Fightnews ranks fighters? Let's start with that.

The most logical answer why Valero is ranked by Fightnews at lightweight even if Valero has no fight yet at that division is because he's a 130 champ... That's how I read it...

hmmm sounds like a guess to me. So you agree with an organization's rankings but can't say why they do things the way they do. You are a fanatic, and chose fightnews because they have PAC at # 1.

Let's go with THE RING who I am using for this argument. You gain rankings by beating ranked fighters. You become champ by beating the champ. If the champ retires the number 1 and 2 (in certain case 1 and 3) fight to become champ. Simple makes sense. Makes a lot more sense than a popularity contest which is exactly what fightnews rankings are.

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So maybe you can tell me how Fightnews ranks fighters? Let's start with that.

The most logical answer why Valero is ranked by Fightnews at lightweight even if Valero has no fight yet at that division is because he's a 130 champ... That's how I read it...

hmmm sounds like a guess to me. So you agree with an organization's rankings but can't say why they do things the way they do. You are a fanatic, and chose fightnews because they have PAC at # 1.

Let's go with THE RING who I am using for this argument. You gain rankings by beating ranked fighters. You become champ by beating the champ. If the champ retires the number 1 and 2 (in certain case 1 and 3) fight to become champ. Simple makes sense. Makes a lot more sense than a popularity contest which is exactly what fightnews rankings are.

There's no perfect ranking system... The RING? It's only a magazine... Casamayor's RING belt is not that highly regarded because the RING rankings also has its own flaws...

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The most logical answer why Valero is ranked by Fightnews at lightweight even if Valero has no fight yet at that division is because he's a 130 champ... That's how I read it...

hmmm sounds like a guess to me. So you agree with an organization's rankings but can't say why they do things the way they do. You are a fanatic, and chose fightnews because they have PAC at # 1.

Let's go with THE RING who I am using for this argument. You gain rankings by beating ranked fighters. You become champ by beating the champ. If the champ retires the number 1 and 2 (in certain case 1 and 3) fight to become champ. Simple makes sense. Makes a lot more sense than a popularity contest which is exactly what fightnews rankings are.

There's no perfect ranking system... The RING? It's only a magazine... Casamayor's RING belt is not that highly regarded because the RING rankings also has its own flaws...

The ring is not only a magazine, it is the only organization that recognizes who the real lineal champ of each division is. Please tell me the flaws of the Ring system.

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I don't care about rankings or lineal or anything but as far as the fight goes I was fairly surprised he stopped Casa but not even remotely surprised he won because I think Casa was past it. And that wasn't a result of this fight, I've been saying that since the last Corralles fight on here often. Still JMM was impressive, amazing offensive fighter.

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Past it's probably better than "shot"

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hmmm sounds like a guess to me. So you agree with an organization's rankings but can't say why they do things the way they do. You are a fanatic, and chose fightnews because they have PAC at # 1.

Let's go with THE RING who I am using for this argument. You gain rankings by beating ranked fighters. You become champ by beating the champ. If the champ retires the number 1 and 2 (in certain case 1 and 3) fight to become champ. Simple makes sense. Makes a lot more sense than a popularity contest which is exactly what fightnews rankings are.

There's no perfect ranking system... The RING? It's only a magazine... Casamayor's RING belt is not that highly regarded because the RING rankings also has its own flaws...

The ring is not only a magazine, it is the only organization that recognizes who the real lineal champ of each division is. Please tell me the flaws of the Ring system.

"You become champ by beating the champ" can be considered a flaw since it can be also manipulated on who will control the belt. The challenger need not work up the rankings to get a shot at the ring champ.

The ring champ has no mandatories and this also can be considered a flaw.

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There's no perfect ranking system... The RING? It's only a magazine... Casamayor's RING belt is not that highly regarded because the RING rankings also has its own flaws...

The ring is not only a magazine, it is the only organization that recognizes who the real lineal champ of each division is. Please tell me the flaws of the Ring system.

"You become champ by beating the champ" can be considered a flaw since it can be also manipulated on who will control the belt. The challenger need not work up the rankings to get a shot at the ring champ.

The ring champ has no mandatories and this also can be considered a flaw.

Of course the Champ controls the belt, who else would?

Why is not having any mandatories a flaw?

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The ring is not only a magazine, it is the only organization that recognizes who the real lineal champ of each division is. Please tell me the flaws of the Ring system.

"You become champ by beating the champ" can be considered a flaw since it can be also manipulated on who will control the belt. The challenger need not work up the rankings to get a shot at the ring champ.

The ring champ has no mandatories and this also can be considered a flaw.

Of course the Champ controls the belt, who else would?

Why is not having any mandatories a flaw?

How about the promoter of the champ who chooses only challengers that he also promotes... The promoter controlling the ring belt... Example: Casamayor > JMM > Juan Diaz or Casamayor (again) or Katsidis... You know the promoter of these boxers, the owner of Ring magazine... ;D

The ring champ can keep his belt for years by not fighting since he is not forced to make a mandatory fight...
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"You become champ by beating the champ" can be considered a flaw since it can be also manipulated on who will control the belt. The challenger need not work up the rankings to get a shot at the ring champ.

The ring champ has no mandatories and this also can be considered a flaw.

Of course the Champ controls the belt, who else would?

Why is not having any mandatories a flaw?

How about the promoter of the champ who chooses only challengers that he also promotes... The promoter controlling the ring belt... Example: Casamayor > JMM > Juan Diaz or Casamayor (again) or Katsidis... You know the promoter of these boxers, the owner of Ring magazine... ;D

The ring champ can keep his belt for years by not fighting since he is not forced to make a mandatory fight...
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So what are you proposing that's better?

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I keep trying to read through this but it keeps growing in pages too fast ;D what a fight ! The rumors of Marquez's demise have been greatly over stated.I am not surprised that Marquez pulled it out but I had reservations about the weight being an issue...........so much for that.

Marquez was just way too accurate and sharp a hitter down the stretch for a bit past it but still superb thinker fighter in Casamayor.May sound cornball but in an odd way it was almost just as interesting watching them think as it was seeing the exchanges,both very calculating but Marquez again cemented his place as one of the most proficient and top ring generals over the last number of years.

The lightweights are exploding before us,awesome match ups recently and in the future.I would have to rank Campbell as above the rest right now,off of his dismantling of an arguable HOF'er and long term champ in Casamayor.....Marquez at 2.Pac debuted at light against a limited but all courage & grit Diaz but he was just keeping the belt warm for him Imo....3rd!Is there any doubt they should go for the trilogy,the contentious and heated nature of they're prior two will be debated for many moons.Looks like Pac is more interested in lining his pockets vs. The Diva though.I dont think Guzman or any other fighter should be ranked in a division they have never competed in,Off his debacle and weight problems....he may skip division entirely ??

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Of course the Champ controls the belt, who else would?

Why is not having any mandatories a flaw?

How about the promoter of the champ who chooses only challengers that he also promotes... The promoter controlling the ring belt... Example: Casamayor > JMM > Juan Diaz or Casamayor (again) or Katsidis... You know the promoter of these boxers, the owner of Ring magazine... ;D

The ring champ can keep his belt for years by not fighting since he is not forced to make a mandatory fight...
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So what are you proposing that's better?

Nothing... It's been there for years and any system can be potentially corrupted... Any system will be flawed... Heard about people cursing those alphabet belts?

So we have to live with my own "flawed" rankings that PAC is the no. 1 lightweight in the world right now... Agree ?? :lolhaha:
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How about the promoter of the champ who chooses only challengers that he also promotes... The promoter controlling the ring belt... Example: Casamayor > JMM > Juan Diaz or Casamayor (again) or Katsidis... You know the promoter of these boxers, the owner of Ring magazine... ;D

The ring champ can keep his belt for years by not fighting since he is not forced to make a mandatory fight...
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So what are you proposing that's better?

Nothing... It's been there for years and any system can be potentially corrupted... Any system will be flawed... Heard about people cursing those alphabet belts?

So we have to live with my own "flawed" rankings that PAC is the no. 1 lightweight in the world right now... Agree ?? :lolhaha:
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Reasons to use the ring over Alphabet belts

Alphabet titles don't rank other alphabet champs, ranks can be purchased, titles can be lost by not paying fees, of because an organization "feels like it". They rank people that haven't fought in a division

Reasons to use The Ring over fightnews.com and yahoo.com

fightnews and yahoo are based strictly on someone's opinion
they rank people that haven't fought in a division.
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Bottom line: You still have not justified PAC at # 1.

The Ring is the most definitive way to define a champ

fightnews.com has no merit to define who is # 1 in a division.

YOU ARE A DAMN FANATIC.