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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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Pavlik will always be a very good fighter, but even looking back at the legendary Hagler, if he didn't have his chin he would have a been a very good fighter, but he would have been knocked out by the first right hand Hearns landed on him, and we wouldn't consider him half as good as we do now. Sure he had a solid defense, good power, accuracy, timing, etc, but that chin seperated him from all the other fighter with those other qualities. Hell it even seperates Margarito from far better technical fighters than him because he doens't have to worry about whats hitting him. What I am saying is that it will take a special fighter to beat Pavlik, but Dawson, Kessler are clearly special fighters or will be in Chad's case. I am not even comparing these two because I don't think Chad is better then Pavlik at this moment, but speed, like a good chin, overcomes many obstacles.
kessler cant beat kelly at the moment. especially after the bhop fight kelly will have way more ring experience than kessler.
No he won't Pavlik will have foughten Taylor and Hopkins, when you add that to 30 some no hopers it isn't as much experience as all the good fighers Kessler beat when he was on top of the 168 division for several years, When it comes to Taylor I haven't seen another elite level fighter as easy to hit going backwards, or as off balance as him since Naseem Hamed(in terms of balance at least). Kessler is a great fighter, sure on paper he lost by a large margin against Calzaghe, but people forget a lot of those rounds that Calzaghe won were close rounds that involved Kessler scoring big right hands, but Calzaghe has a very good chin, and he has good speed which proved the most difficult for Kessler.
Kessler is an amazing fighter, he has speed power, determination, toughness, he can do anyhting in the ring. People forget he didn't spar for several weeks before he faced Calzaghe, and that would be an obvious disadvantage in terms of stamina, but Kessler would be able to PAvlik a lot easier, and because Pavlik is orthodox so that jab would be a factor when he wasn't able to really use it against Calzaghe, and that changes the entire dynamic of this fight. Taylor also has a great jab, but he doesn't throw combinations well, and he would always be off balance in countering situations where Kessler would be landing precise powerful punches.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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Taeth
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kingfrnk
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Taeth
Pavlik will always be a very good fighter, but even looking back at the legendary Hagler, if he didn't have his chin he would have a been a very good fighter, but he would have been knocked out by the first right hand Hearns landed on him, and we wouldn't consider him half as good as we do now. Sure he had a solid defense, good power, accuracy, timing, etc, but that chin seperated him from all the other fighter with those other qualities. Hell it even seperates Margarito from far better technical fighters than him because he doens't have to worry about whats hitting him. What I am saying is that it will take a special fighter to beat Pavlik, but Dawson, Kessler are clearly special fighters or will be in Chad's case. I am not even comparing these two because I don't think Chad is better then Pavlik at this moment, but speed, like a good chin, overcomes many obstacles.
kessler cant beat kelly at the moment. especially after the bhop fight kelly will have way more ring experience than kessler.
No he won't Pavlik will have foughten Taylor and Hopkins, when you add that to 30 some no hopers it isn't as much experience as all the good fighers Kessler beat when he was on top of the 168 division for several years, When it comes to Taylor I haven't seen another elite level fighter as easy to hit going backwards, or as off balance as him since Naseem Hamed(in terms of balance at least). Kessler is a great fighter, sure on paper he lost by a large margin against Calzaghe, but people forget a lot of those rounds that Calzaghe won were close rounds that involved Kessler scoring big right hands, but Calzaghe has a very good chin, and he has good speed which proved the most difficult for Kessler.
Kessler is an amazing fighter, he has speed power, determination, toughness, he can do anyhting in the ring. People forget he didn't spar for several weeks before he faced Calzaghe, and that would be an obvious disadvantage in terms of stamina, but Kessler would be able to PAvlik a lot easier, and because Pavlik is orthodox so that jab would be a factor when he wasn't able to really use it against Calzaghe, and that changes the entire dynamic of this fight. Taylor also has a great jab, but he doesn't throw combinations well, and he would always be off balance in countering situations where Kessler would be landing precise powerful punches.
oh and kelly doesnt shoe any of that. kelly isnt that damn slow now and if he was the why does he have so many kos. i agree kessler is a good fighter, but im afraid im gonna need to see more than the calzaghe fight to be really impressed like you so i can be all over his sack like you.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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kingfrnk
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Taeth
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nobody is indestructable anybody can be beat by certain fighters. and kelly doesnt have a chin like cotto. kelly has great recovery. cotto has been hurt by zab,torres,corley,mosley, and most recently kod by tony. and i dont recall pavlik being hurt by miranda who punches hard as hell.
He did get hurt by Miranda, and who besides Miranda has Pavlik foughten that hits hard or landed a hart punch on him? Judah hits harder then Taylor p4p, As does Torres. Mosley never EVER hurt Cotto, where the hell did you get that from? Is it when Cotto slipped? Maybe you should watch the entire fight because Mosley I believe that exact same round slips in the EXACT same spot. Don't let HBO blowing their load throw you off. Cotto was severly weight drained when he fought at 140 thats his excuse, he looked like a skeleton at the weighins. Hell even Malignaggi got more respect with his punches then Mosley or Quintana did when COtto moved up to WW. Pavlik isn't badly weight drained to make middleweight.
why do u keep sayin who has kelly fought? he is still young stupid, and just barley started gettin these fights with bhop and JT. damn let the dude rest for a minute. and from wat i saw mosleey did hurt cotto a little, you tryna make it sound like i said he was fina get kod.
I only saying who has Pavlik fought in terms of
1. A puncher
2. more then just one elite fighter who is riddled with flaws
3. a fighter who isn't 43 regardless of his accomplishments
4. a complete fighter with speed and power.
I am comparing Pavlik's chin to Cotto's in that its good, but its not elite level. It definitely hasn't shown that it can withstand a beating, if he was just suffered a flash knockdown against Taylor, or it was late in the fight after he had taken a ton of punches that would be one thing, but Taylor almost knocked him out with one punch, and Taylor couldn't knock out Cory Spinks or Ouma or any of the B calss or higher fighters he has faced, and yet he almost KO'ed Pavlik. Besides that Corley fight, every guy (Judah, Margarito, Torres) that has hurt Cotto has had from a good punch to a devastating punch(in Torres). Cotto didn't have problems with Quintana's power, with Abduallaev's power, with Mosley's power. In the Mosley fight it was the cut in his mouth, and him changing strategies to run out the clock that were the reasons Cotto was moving a lot. Against Judah and Margarito he never went down from a single punch like Pavlik did against Taylor, Judah hurt him, but Cotto was able to retaliate immediately with hard punches and recovered almost instantly, against Magarito the accumulation broke him down. So I think the comparison is fair, at least until Pavlik fights better fighters, which he will do.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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kingfrnk
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Taeth
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kingfrnk
kessler cant beat kelly at the moment. especially after the bhop fight kelly will have way more ring experience than kessler.
No he won't Pavlik will have foughten Taylor and Hopkins, when you add that to 30 some no hopers it isn't as much experience as all the good fighers Kessler beat when he was on top of the 168 division for several years, When it comes to Taylor I haven't seen another elite level fighter as easy to hit going backwards, or as off balance as him since Naseem Hamed(in terms of balance at least). Kessler is a great fighter, sure on paper he lost by a large margin against Calzaghe, but people forget a lot of those rounds that Calzaghe won were close rounds that involved Kessler scoring big right hands, but Calzaghe has a very good chin, and he has good speed which proved the most difficult for Kessler.
Kessler is an amazing fighter, he has speed power, determination, toughness, he can do anyhting in the ring. People forget he didn't spar for several weeks before he faced Calzaghe, and that would be an obvious disadvantage in terms of stamina, but Kessler would be able to PAvlik a lot easier, and because Pavlik is orthodox so that jab would be a factor when he wasn't able to really use it against Calzaghe, and that changes the entire dynamic of this fight. Taylor also has a great jab, but he doesn't throw combinations well, and he would always be off balance in countering situations where Kessler would be landing precise powerful punches.
oh and kelly doesnt shoe any of that. kelly isnt that damn slow now and if he was the why does he have so many kos. i agree kessler is a good fighter, but im afraid im gonna need to see more than the calzaghe fight to be really impressed like you so i can be all over his sack like you.
If you haven't seen more than just his fight against Calzaghe then you shouldn't even be arguing with me because you know nothing about Kessler. Watch him against Andrade, against Mundine, against Lucas... Kessler is absolutely amazing, and he will be one of the best fighters in the world again, as is Pavlik, but once against its a bad matchup for Pavlik. Punchers without iron clad chins have difficulties with coutner punchers that carry some power.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
Who has anyone fought like that Taeth? Who has Kessler beat who fits that criteria, or Dawson? And what happened? Come on that's a bit of an unfair standard. Kessler-Pavlik would be a great Pavlik, Kessler has looked venerable moving back before he isn't a perfect fighter and he's not fighting Bernard Hopkins or anyone of the sort, he's fighting guys I've never heard of in Denmark.
Dawson is a great fighter and a great guy for the sport moving forward but they even said it in the buildup of the Harding fight that he grew and simply couldn't take the toll to become a super middleweight much less a middleweight. If anything he would meat Pavlik halfway he's not going back down.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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Taeth
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kingfrnk
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Taeth
He did get hurt by Miranda, and who besides Miranda has Pavlik foughten that hits hard or landed a hart punch on him? Judah hits harder then Taylor p4p, As does Torres. Mosley never EVER hurt Cotto, where the hell did you get that from? Is it when Cotto slipped? Maybe you should watch the entire fight because Mosley I believe that exact same round slips in the EXACT same spot. Don't let HBO blowing their load throw you off. Cotto was severly weight drained when he fought at 140 thats his excuse, he looked like a skeleton at the weighins. Hell even Malignaggi got more respect with his punches then Mosley or Quintana did when COtto moved up to WW. Pavlik isn't badly weight drained to make middleweight.
why do u keep sayin who has kelly fought? he is still young stupid, and just barley started gettin these fights with bhop and JT. damn let the dude rest for a minute. and from wat i saw mosleey did hurt cotto a little, you tryna make it sound like i said he was fina get kod.
I only saying who has Pavlik fought in terms of
1. A puncher
2. more then just one elite fighter who is riddled with flaws
3. a fighter who isn't 43 regardless of his accomplishments
4. a complete fighter with speed and power.
I am comparing Pavlik's chin to Cotto's in that its good, but its not elite level. It definitely hasn't shown that it can withstand a beating, if he was just suffered a flash knockdown against Taylor, or it was late in the fight after he had taken a ton of punches that would be one thing, but Taylor almost knocked him out with one punch, and Taylor couldn't knock out Cory Spinks or Ouma or any of the B calss or higher fighters he has faced, and yet he almost KO'ed Pavlik. Besides that Corley fight, every guy (Judah, Margarito, Torres) that has hurt Cotto has had from a good punch to a devastating punch(in Torres). Cotto didn't have problems with Quintana's power, with Abduallaev's power, with Mosley's power. In the Mosley fight it was the cut in his mouth, and him changing strategies to run out the clock that were the reasons Cotto was moving a lot.
Against Judah and Margarito he never went down from a single punch like Pavlik did against Taylor, Judah hurt him, but Cotto was able to retaliate immediately with hard punches and recovered almost instantly, against Magarito the accumulation broke him down. So I think the comparison is fair, at least until Pavlik fights better fighters, which he will do.
pavlik did not go down frm one punch it was frm 3-5 of flush shots. i think u need to watch that fight again.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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Taeth
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kingfrnk
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Taeth
He did get hurt by Miranda, and who besides Miranda has Pavlik foughten that hits hard or landed a hart punch on him? Judah hits harder then Taylor p4p, As does Torres. Mosley never EVER hurt Cotto, where the hell did you get that from? Is it when Cotto slipped? Maybe you should watch the entire fight because Mosley I believe that exact same round slips in the EXACT same spot. Don't let HBO blowing their load throw you off. Cotto was severly weight drained when he fought at 140 thats his excuse, he looked like a skeleton at the weighins. Hell even Malignaggi got more respect with his punches then Mosley or Quintana did when COtto moved up to WW. Pavlik isn't badly weight drained to make middleweight.
why do u keep sayin who has kelly fought? he is still young stupid, and just barley started gettin these fights with bhop and JT. damn let the dude rest for a minute. and from wat i saw mosleey did hurt cotto a little, you tryna make it sound like i said he was fina get kod.
I only saying who has Pavlik fought in terms of
1. A puncher
2. more then just one elite fighter who is riddled with flaws
3. a fighter who isn't 43 regardless of his accomplishments
4. a complete fighter with speed and power.
I am comparing Pavlik's chin to Cotto's in that its good, but its not elite level. It definitely hasn't shown that it can withstand a beating, if he was just suffered a flash knockdown against Taylor, or it was late in the fight after he had taken a ton of punches that would be one thing, but Taylor almost knocked him out with one punch, and Taylor couldn't knock out Cory Spinks or Ouma or any of the B calss or higher fighters he has faced, and yet he almost KO'ed Pavlik. Besides that Corley fight, every guy (Judah, Margarito, Torres) that has hurt Cotto has had from a good punch to a devastating punch(in Torres). Cotto didn't have problems with Quintana's power, with Abduallaev's power, with Mosley's power. In the Mosley fight it was the cut in his mouth, and him changing strategies to run out the clock that were the reasons Cotto was moving a lot. Against Judah and Margarito he never went down from a single punch like Pavlik did against Taylor, Judah hurt him, but Cotto was able to retaliate immediately with hard punches and recovered almost instantly, against Magarito the accumulation broke him down. So I think the comparison is fair, at least until Pavlik fights better fighters, which he will do.
You shit all over Pavlik's track record, but hold Kessler high on a pedestal. You talk about a fighter getting chinned/hurt and automatically erase them from doing anything significant?
Please explain why you hold Kessler in such high regard. I mean his opponents are far from breath taking. You also throw out skills such as speed and mobility, but neglect things such as heart, will and the determination to step up above in beyond in a situation where is is sorely needed. Speed and mobility mean nothing all when you are dug into the trenches. They are not the end all and be all. Sometimes you need that little extra oomph to get you over the hump.
Pavlik may not be a world beater, but he is out there taking fights that he can learn from. He might lose saturday, but at least he is not out there taking the safe route.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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Taeth
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kingfrnk
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Taeth
No he won't Pavlik will have foughten Taylor and Hopkins, when you add that to 30 some no hopers it isn't as much experience as all the good fighers Kessler beat when he was on top of the 168 division for several years, When it comes to Taylor I haven't seen another elite level fighter as easy to hit going backwards, or as off balance as him since Naseem Hamed(in terms of balance at least). Kessler is a great fighter, sure on paper he lost by a large margin against Calzaghe, but people forget a lot of those rounds that Calzaghe won were close rounds that involved Kessler scoring big right hands, but Calzaghe has a very good chin, and he has good speed which proved the most difficult for Kessler.
Kessler is an amazing fighter, he has speed power, determination, toughness, he can do anyhting in the ring. People forget he didn't spar for several weeks before he faced Calzaghe, and that would be an obvious disadvantage in terms of stamina, but Kessler would be able to PAvlik a lot easier, and because Pavlik is orthodox so that jab would be a factor when he wasn't able to really use it against Calzaghe, and that changes the entire dynamic of this fight. Taylor also has a great jab, but he doesn't throw combinations well, and he would always be off balance in countering situations where Kessler would be landing precise powerful punches.
oh and kelly doesnt shoe any of that. kelly isnt that damn slow now and if he was the why does he have so many kos. i agree kessler is a good fighter, but im afraid im gonna need to see more than the calzaghe fight to be really impressed like you so i can be all over his sack like you.
If you haven't seen more than just his fight against Calzaghe then you shouldn't even be arguing with me because you know nothing about Kessler. Watch him against Andrade, against Mundine, against Lucas... Kessler is absolutely amazing, and he will be one of the best fighters in the world again, as is Pavlik, but once against its a bad matchup for Pavlik. Punchers without iron clad chins have difficulties with coutner punchers that carry some power.
well i am gonna argue with u, and u know why cause i am the SWAG KING beeatch. and like amat said kelly is fighting one of the biggest names in boxing today and kessler is fighting who????? oh yeah u dont even know his name.LOL
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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Taeth
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kingfrnk
why do u keep sayin who has kelly fought? he is still young stupid, and just barley started gettin these fights with bhop and JT. damn let the dude rest for a minute. and from wat i saw mosleey did hurt cotto a little, you tryna make it sound like i said he was fina get kod.
I only saying who has Pavlik fought in terms of
1. A puncher
2. more then just one elite fighter who is riddled with flaws
3. a fighter who isn't 43 regardless of his accomplishments
4. a complete fighter with speed and power.
I am comparing Pavlik's chin to Cotto's in that its good, but its not elite level. It definitely hasn't shown that it can withstand a beating, if he was just suffered a flash knockdown against Taylor, or it was late in the fight after he had taken a ton of punches that would be one thing, but Taylor almost knocked him out with one punch, and Taylor couldn't knock out Cory Spinks or Ouma or any of the B calss or higher fighters he has faced, and yet he almost KO'ed Pavlik. Besides that Corley fight, every guy (Judah, Margarito, Torres) that has hurt Cotto has had from a good punch to a devastating punch(in Torres). Cotto didn't have problems with Quintana's power, with Abduallaev's power, with Mosley's power. In the Mosley fight it was the cut in his mouth, and him changing strategies to run out the clock that were the reasons Cotto was moving a lot. Against Judah and Margarito he never went down from a single punch like Pavlik did against Taylor, Judah hurt him, but Cotto was able to retaliate immediately with hard punches and recovered almost instantly, against Magarito the accumulation broke him down. So I think the comparison is fair, at least until Pavlik fights better fighters, which he will do.
You shit all over Pavlik's track record, but hold Kessler high on a pedestal. You talk about a fighter getting chinned/hurt and automatically erase them from doing anything significant?
Please explain why you hold Kessler in such high regard. I mean his opponents are far from breath taking. You also throw out skills such as speed and mobility, but neglect things such as heart, will and the determination to step up above in beyond in a situation where is is sorely needed. Speed and mobility mean nothing all when you are dug into the trenches. They are not the end all and be all. Sometimes you need that little extra oomph to get you over the hump.
Pavlik may not be a world beater, but he is out there taking fights that he can learn from. He might lose saturday, but at least he is not out there taking the safe route.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
Kessler hasn't needed to dig deep, and against Cazlaghe he tried. He lost no honor in that fight as anyone will tell you. He was trying his best, but Joe was the better man that night. It happens. He never lost hope, he never stopped punching. Emanuel Steward mentions this plenty of times in the fight.
Why do I hold Kessler in such high regard? One is I have a preference for boxers rather then punchers so its partly that, but he has mastered the sport so well, Pavik is a good technical fighter, but he's nothing compared to Kessler who is the perfect fundamental fighter, he has power in both hands, he has good enough speed... it gets redundent. I prefer a fighter that can do more then just go forward. I like Kessler because he has made the most with what he has in every aspect of boxing.
I also have never said I don't hold Pavlik in high regard, I used to not like him, but I do very much now. I've watched about 10 of his fights, and I think he has a lot going for him, but I don't think he is the legend others on here seem to think he is. I think he also has made the most with what he has, but that he has less then others do IMO.
Also ... I am not even going to call you king, but you are making stupid comments so I am going to end this, for now, until tomorrow. I hope you all have a good night.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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Kessler hasn't needed to dig deep, and against Cazlaghe he tried. He lost no honor in that fight as anyone will tell you. He was trying his best, but Joe was the better man that night. It happens. He never lost hope, he never stopped punching. Emanuel Steward mentions this plenty of times in the fight.
Why do I hold Kessler in such high regard? One is I have a preference for boxers rather then punchers so its partly that, but he has mastered the sport so well, Pavik is a good technical fighter, but he's nothing compared to Kessler who is the perfect fundamental fighter, he has power in both hands, he has good enough speed... it gets redundent. I prefer a fighter that can do more then just go forward. I like Kessler because he has made the most with what he has in every aspect of boxing.
I also have never said I don't hold Pavlik in high regard, I used to not like him, but I do very much now. I've watched about 10 of his fights, and I think he has a lot going for him, but I don't think he is the legend others on here seem to think he is. I think he also has made the most with what he has, but that he has less then others do IMO.
Also ... I am not even going to call you king, but you are making stupid comments so I am going to end this, for now, until tomorrow. I hope you all have a good night.
i hope u piss in the bed.:mad: i will continue 2morrow
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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kingfrnk
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Taeth
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kingfrnk
why do u keep sayin who has kelly fought? he is still young stupid, and just barley started gettin these fights with bhop and JT. damn let the dude rest for a minute. and from wat i saw mosleey did hurt cotto a little, you tryna make it sound like i said he was fina get kod.
I only saying who has Pavlik fought in terms of
1. A puncher
2. more then just one elite fighter who is riddled with flaws
3. a fighter who isn't 43 regardless of his accomplishments
4. a complete fighter with speed and power.
I am comparing Pavlik's chin to Cotto's in that its good, but its not elite level. It definitely hasn't shown that it can withstand a beating, if he was just suffered a flash knockdown against Taylor, or it was late in the fight after he had taken a ton of punches that would be one thing, but Taylor almost knocked him out with one punch, and Taylor couldn't knock out Cory Spinks or Ouma or any of the B calss or higher fighters he has faced, and yet he almost KO'ed Pavlik. Besides that Corley fight, every guy (Judah, Margarito, Torres) that has hurt Cotto has had from a good punch to a devastating punch(in Torres). Cotto didn't have problems with Quintana's power, with Abduallaev's power, with Mosley's power. In the Mosley fight it was the cut in his mouth, and him changing strategies to run out the clock that were the reasons Cotto was moving a lot.
Against Judah and Margarito he never went down from a single punch like Pavlik did against Taylor, Judah hurt him, but Cotto was able to retaliate immediately with hard punches and recovered almost instantly, against Magarito the accumulation broke him down. So I think the comparison is fair, at least until Pavlik fights better fighters, which he will do.
pavlik did not go down frm one punch it was frm 3-5 of flush shots. i think u need to watch that fight again.
I'll concede that, I havent' watched that fight since it happened. Anyways One thing I will change is that I believe Pavlik does have potential, when I say he is slow I don't mean he is like sloath, but that he has normal handspeed which looks slow compared to Calzaghe, Dawson, Kessler, Taylor, etc. but I think if Pavlik ever really improved his defense he would be something special, but until he can not get hit he will continue to be not half as good as half of you guys believe, and not half as bad as some of us believe.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
by bad I mean lack of true greatness in this case.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
Undercard of Pavlik/Hopkins.......it's stacked.Ornelos vs. Rubio good scrap........Mares vs.Melendez....Nice......Steve Luevano vs. Dib....even showing punch from the backseat Yuri Foreman :-X
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
From reading all the posts about Pavlik...
...he's 26, he's showing a lot of potential and fighting anyone they throw in front of him. It's not hard to get excited on what he can possibly do with the rest of his career.
There was a post about him fighting the best middleweights of all-time on here. C'mon, he's way too young to be talking about that. His career is just beginning and we should all just sit back and enjoy the ride...
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From reading all the posts about Pavlik...
...he's 26, he's showing a lot of potential and fighting anyone they throw in front of him. It's not hard to get excited on what he can possibly do with the rest of his career.
There was a post about him fighting the best middleweights of all-time on here. C'mon, he's way too young to be talking about that. His career is just beginning and we should all just sit back and enjoy the ride...
i told taeths gay ass that. all he says i who has kelly fought. the stupid retard must want kelly to fight once a month or somethin. Taeth this aint the fukin old days.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
Considering Miranda and Taylor both suffer from the same flaw of dropping their front hand low, I'd say Pavlik was at the right place at the right time.
He's a good 1-2 puncher, just the perfect style to take advantage of dropped hands. Winky showed just how effective straights are against a bad guard when he fought Taylor first. Taylor and Miranda were tailor made for Pavlik, imo and both have always looked god awful in my eyes. It's hard to give Pavlik credit for his biggest wins when they were tailor made and had very green tendencies.
Pavliks good though, and young. He claims he only wants what, 5 more bouts? At his age he's got about 8 years left to cement an incredible legacy assuming he stays healthy. I like him because I think he is very good for boxing, nothing more.
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I like Pavlik coz he's willing to exchange shots despite the fact that he knows his chin is not so good. It makes it more exciting. I doubt though that he will win over Bernard. I'm putting a bet in another thread. Hope there are takers.:cool:
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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caleoh12
From reading all the posts about Pavlik...
...he's 26, he's showing a lot of potential and fighting anyone they throw in front of him. It's not hard to get excited on what he can possibly do with the rest of his career.
There was a post about him fighting the best middleweights of all-time on here. C'mon, he's way too young to be talking about that. His career is just beginning and we should all just sit back and enjoy the ride...
i told taeths gay ass that. all he says i who has kelly fought. the stupid retard must want kelly to fight once a month or somethin. Taeth this aint the fukin old days.
The point Taeth makes is the SAME as Caleoh's, just to counter the stuff like that thread where guys said he'd beat all the legends like SRR. He is promising and exciting but that talk is ridicilously premature.
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Re: What is with this site and Kelly Pavlik
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caleoh12
From reading all the posts about Pavlik...
...he's 26, he's showing a lot of potential and fighting anyone they throw in front of him. It's not hard to get excited on what he can possibly do with the rest of his career.
There was a post about him fighting the best middleweights of all-time on here. C'mon, he's way too young to be talking about that. His career is just beginning and we should all just sit back and enjoy the ride...
i told taeths gay ass that. all he says i who has kelly fought. the stupid retard must want kelly to fight once a month or somethin. Taeth this aint the fukin old days.
STFU, you've been on here two months, and you know nothing about boxing. What I am saying is that you can't overrate a fighter, yet. I am saying who has Kelly fought YET. If he does go on to beat Hopkins, Calzaghe, etc. then I will give him the credit, but as of YET he hasn't done it. As for me being stupid, I am not the one who can't put a coherent sentence together.
Coherent means understandable just incase you don't know what it means dumbass
I don't know, I still don't see the same promise some people do. He could become really good, and he already is, but his potential has a lower pinnacle then some of the other guys out there.
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From reading all the posts about Pavlik...
...he's 26, he's showing a lot of potential and fighting anyone they throw in front of him. It's not hard to get excited on what he can possibly do with the rest of his career.
There was a post about him fighting the best middleweights of all-time on here. C'mon, he's way too young to be talking about that. His career is just beginning and we should all just sit back and enjoy the ride...
i told taeths gay ass that. all he says i who has kelly fought. the stupid retard must want kelly to fight once a month or somethin. Taeth this aint the fukin old days.
STFU, you've been on here two months, and you know nothing about boxing. What I am saying is that you can't overrate a fighter, yet. I am saying who has Kelly fought YET. If he does go on to beat Hopkins, Calzaghe, etc. then I will give him the credit, but as of YET he hasn't done it. As for me being stupid, I am not the one who can't put a coherent sentence together.
Coherent means understandable just incase you don't know what it means dumbass
I don't know, I still don't see the same promise some people do. He could become really good, and he already is, but his potential has a lower pinnacle then some of the other guys out there.
oh and u know everything,oh and ur next post will probably say "i know more than you" and so the fuk wat. and u wanna talk about me putting together a COHERENT sentence let me look around for a bit. oh yea its the fukin internet dumbass. im not gonna get a grade on posts u LOSER.
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i told taeths gay ass that. all he says i who has kelly fought. the stupid retard must want kelly to fight once a month or somethin. Taeth this aint the fukin old days.
STFU, you've been on here two months, and you know nothing about boxing. What I am saying is that you can't overrate a fighter, yet. I am saying who has Kelly fought YET. If he does go on to beat Hopkins, Calzaghe, etc. then I will give him the credit, but as of YET he hasn't done it. As for me being stupid, I am not the one who can't put a coherent sentence together.
Coherent means understandable just incase you don't know what it means dumbass
I don't know, I still don't see the same promise some people do. He could become really good, and he already is, but his potential has a lower pinnacle then some of the other guys out there.
oh and u know everything,oh and ur next post will probably say "i know more than you" and so the fuk wat. and u wanna talk about me putting together a COHERENT sentence let me look around for a bit. oh yea its the fukin internet dumbass. im not gonna get a grade on posts u LOSER.
Actually Frank fellow members tend to judge & form opinions on some by their post's.I'm not sure but mainly on the front board here....the substance,debate,etc pro & con. ??
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How the fuck can you say Glen Johnson isn't indestructible? He has taken punches from the heaviest punchers in the Light heavyweight division, and he has never gone down once. The only time he got stoped was in the middleweight fight against Hopkins, and I think you should watch that fight because maybe you don't remember the drumbing he took from Bernard who hit him with way more punches than PAvlik would.
Your an idiot for saying Kessler is a two trick pony, He has a great jab, he has a great cross, he biggest weapon is his left hook, and his right uppercut is deadly as well. Not to mention he is a terrific combination puncher, counter puncher, and general ring tactician, he is easily one of the top 10 p4p fighters, and he would destroy Pavlik.
Also did Calzaghe look wobbly at all after the shot he took from Hopkins? Did he get dropped by any of the huge right hands Kessler dropped on him? Pavlik doesn't one punch top end opponents, he isn't Thomas Hearns, and Calzaghe wouldn't let Pavlik physically bully him around. He didn't let a very strong Lacy, or a very strong Kessler bully him around either. Pavlik can't just walk through punches all night, he is more intelligent than that, and Calzaghe won't let Pavlik get off with his punches, it was Taylor's inactivity that allowed Pavlik to win that fight.
This answers two people. Chad Dawson could make 160 if he needed, he is very skiny, and wasn't always light heavyweight, also Pavlik is not a natural middleweight, why do you think he is a foot taller then half his opponents? Guys like him are the Paul Williams' of the middleweight division. Pavlik could easily be natural lightheavy weight, and we will see him up there before long. Whereas a guy like Hopkins fought at middleweight until he was 40. Pavlik will be the bigger man against Hopkins when they fight, and he is almost as big as Dawson naturally. I mean Taylor walks around bigger then most lightheavyweights and he looked smaller then Pavlik.
Also I never said Dawson was that great either, I don't think he would have beaten Glen Johnson five years ago, hell I think Glen had a draw with him, if Johnson didn't win that fight. I also think Tarver might have beaten Dawson 5 years ago. I think that Roy JOnes in his prime would have KO'ed current Dawson in about 3 rounds. I think Dawson has the potential to be very great.
What I ahve been saying is that Pavlik is a fine technical fighter in the style he fights, He does get hit, but so do most fighters coming forward, but he doesn't quite have the Ike Quartey, Winky WRight air tight defense. He throws all the punches well, he throws good combinations. But his flaws are his physical body, Sure he is very tall and strong, but he has ordinary speed, his chin is like Cotto's, its ok, but it isn't where it needs to be if he is going to get hit a lot in a fight by even a decent puncher. I also get the sense that if he got into a brutal fight his body wouldn't be able to take it just like Cotto and Thomas Hearns against Hagler, I see him fighting certain guys like Glen Johnson and them breaking him down. I am just saying don't overhype him because he beat Jermain Taylor, Bernard Hopkins deserved a win against Taylor, Winky WRight deserved a decision against Taylor, even arguably Cory Spinks deserved a decision against Taylor if you are going by effective punching and not who has more power, the middleweight? Or the featherfisted welterweight?
Glen Johnson is a tough fight for anybody, and especially for taller, lankier fighters. With his relatively thin frame, Pavilk would have trouble with Glen Johnson.
Your argument that Pavlik beat Taylor because Taylor's inactivity can be used with equal force as to how Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Hopkins was winning the first half of the fight, it was only toward the end that Calzaghe began pulling ahead. Moreover, his win was controversial. Personally, I think Bhop was tailor-made for Calzaghe because Calzaghe wins by throwing hundreds of punches and Bhop doesn't have the energy to combat highly energetic fighters anymore.
As you can tell, I see some of your points, but you should concede a little too. You warn, "don't overhype him because he beat Jermain Taylor, Bernard Hopkins deserved a win against Taylor, Winky Wright deserved a decision against Taylor." Bhop and Wright are hall-of-famers. If they both lost to Taylor, albeit controversially, and Pavlik beat Taylor, convincingly, doesn't that speak well for Pavlik?
Pavlik definitely has flaws. He only has average, or slightly above average, handspeed. He doesn't have a huge arsenal of punches like other boxers; his defense is leaky. But, what he does, he does very well. Pavlik's continued success depends in part, I think, on good matchups, which is why I assert that Pavlik should dominate at middleweight for as long as possible and then cautiously move up to super middleweight. For example, I think Abraham is a good matchup but I don't think the same for Calzaghe or Chad Dawson. I'm not saying Pavlik wouldn't beat Calzaghe or Hopkins, but Calzaghe throws a lot of punches and may win a decision based on that alone. Dawson for much the same reasons and additionally because he is the bigger man. I think Kessler is a question mark.
Taeth: does a win over Hopkins legitimize Pavlik for you? How do you think he'll fare against other elite middleweights?
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I like Pavlik, but if I have to watch one more HBO/ESPN segment about how he's just an ordinary guy fighting for the people of Youngstown, I may throw my TV out the window.
Enough already, we get it.
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How the fuck can you say Glen Johnson isn't indestructible? He has taken punches from the heaviest punchers in the Light heavyweight division, and he has never gone down once. The only time he got stoped was in the middleweight fight against Hopkins, and I think you should watch that fight because maybe you don't remember the drumbing he took from Bernard who hit him with way more punches than PAvlik would.
Your an idiot for saying Kessler is a two trick pony, He has a great jab, he has a great cross, he biggest weapon is his left hook, and his right uppercut is deadly as well. Not to mention he is a terrific combination puncher, counter puncher, and general ring tactician, he is easily one of the top 10 p4p fighters, and he would destroy Pavlik.
Also did Calzaghe look wobbly at all after the shot he took from Hopkins? Did he get dropped by any of the huge right hands Kessler dropped on him? Pavlik doesn't one punch top end opponents, he isn't Thomas Hearns, and Calzaghe wouldn't let Pavlik physically bully him around. He didn't let a very strong Lacy, or a very strong Kessler bully him around either. Pavlik can't just walk through punches all night, he is more intelligent than that, and Calzaghe won't let Pavlik get off with his punches, it was Taylor's inactivity that allowed Pavlik to win that fight.
This answers two people. Chad Dawson could make 160 if he needed, he is very skiny, and wasn't always light heavyweight, also Pavlik is not a natural middleweight, why do you think he is a foot taller then half his opponents? Guys like him are the Paul Williams' of the middleweight division. Pavlik could easily be natural lightheavy weight, and we will see him up there before long. Whereas a guy like Hopkins fought at middleweight until he was 40. Pavlik will be the bigger man against Hopkins when they fight, and he is almost as big as Dawson naturally. I mean Taylor walks around bigger then most lightheavyweights and he looked smaller then Pavlik.
Also I never said Dawson was that great either, I don't think he would have beaten Glen Johnson five years ago, hell I think Glen had a draw with him, if Johnson didn't win that fight. I also think Tarver might have beaten Dawson 5 years ago. I think that Roy JOnes in his prime would have KO'ed current Dawson in about 3 rounds. I think Dawson has the potential to be very great.
What I ahve been saying is that Pavlik is a fine technical fighter in the style he fights, He does get hit, but so do most fighters coming forward, but he doesn't quite have the Ike Quartey, Winky WRight air tight defense. He throws all the punches well, he throws good combinations. But his flaws are his physical body, Sure he is very tall and strong, but he has ordinary speed, his chin is like Cotto's, its ok, but it isn't where it needs to be if he is going to get hit a lot in a fight by even a decent puncher. I also get the sense that if he got into a brutal fight his body wouldn't be able to take it just like Cotto and Thomas Hearns against Hagler, I see him fighting certain guys like Glen Johnson and them breaking him down. I am just saying don't overhype him because he beat Jermain Taylor, Bernard Hopkins deserved a win against Taylor, Winky WRight deserved a decision against Taylor, even arguably Cory Spinks deserved a decision against Taylor if you are going by effective punching and not who has more power, the middleweight? Or the featherfisted welterweight?
Glen Johnson is a tough fight for anybody, and especially for taller, lankier fighters. With his relatively thin frame, Pavilk would have trouble with Glen Johnson.
Your argument that Pavlik beat Taylor because Taylor's inactivity can be used with equal force as to how Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Hopkins was winning the first half of the fight, it was only toward the end that Calzaghe began pulling ahead. Moreover, his win was controversial. Personally, I think Bhop was tailor-made for Calzaghe because Calzaghe wins by throwing hundreds of punches and Bhop doesn't have the energy to combat highly energetic fighters anymore.
As you can tell, I see some of your points, but you should concede a little too. You warn, "don't overhype him because he beat Jermain Taylor, Bernard Hopkins deserved a win against Taylor, Winky Wright deserved a decision against Taylor." Bhop and Wright are hall-of-famers.
If they both lost to Taylor, albeit controversially, and Pavlik beat Taylor, convincingly, doesn't that speak well for Pavlik?
Pavlik definitely has flaws. He only has average, or slightly above average, handspeed. He doesn't have a huge arsenal of punches like other boxers; his defense is leaky. But, what he does, he does very well. Pavlik's continued success depends in part, I think, on good matchups, which is why I assert that Pavlik should dominate at middleweight for as long as possible and then cautiously move up to super middleweight. For example, I think Abraham is a good matchup but I don't think the same for Calzaghe or Chad Dawson. I'm not saying Pavlik wouldn't beat Calzaghe or Hopkins, but Calzaghe throws a lot of punches and may win a decision based on that alone. Dawson for much the same reasons and additionally because he is the bigger man. I think Kessler is a question mark.
Taeth: does a win over Hopkins legitimize Pavlik for you? How do you think he'll fare against other elite middleweights?
Sorry for being anal retentive, but Winky didn't lose to Taylor, it was a draw.
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I thought it was a convincing winky win -.-;
Winky did the same thing Kelly did.. just doesnt have pavliks power
and didn't get rocked like kelly.
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I thought it was a convincing winky win -.-;
Winky did the same thing Kelly did.. just doesnt have pavliks power
and didn't get rocked like kelly.
I also thought Winky won but I'm also a bit bias and only saw the fight that night and was never really to interested to see it again.
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I thought it was a convincing winky win -.-;
Winky did the same thing Kelly did.. just doesnt have pavliks power
and didn't get rocked like kelly.
I felt Winky definitely won, but I'm biased. He has only himself to blame though, I still can't believe he took the last round off, especially with his history of controversial decisions (even though I feel he won that round, he should've done more to cement the win).
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I thought it was a convincing winky win -.-;
Winky did the same thing Kelly did.. just doesnt have pavliks power
and didn't get rocked like kelly.
I felt Winky definitely won, but I'm biased. He has only himself to blame though, I still can't believe he took the last round off, especially with his history of controversial decisions (even though I feel he won that round, he should've done more to cement the win).
Agree'd. Even though he took the last round off i still have him winning the round. But I guess it is what it is and he definitely has no one but himself to blame.
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I thought it was a convincing winky win -.-;
Winky did the same thing Kelly did.. just doesnt have pavliks power
and didn't get rocked like kelly.
I felt Winky definitely won, but I'm biased. He has only himself to blame though, I still can't believe he took the last round off, especially with his history of controversial decisions (even though I feel he won that round, he should've done more to cement the win).
Agree'd. Even though he took the last round off i still have him winning the round. But I guess it is what it is and he definitely has no one but himself to blame.
All he had to do was go on the offensive against a badly gassed Taylor, and he blew it. He was pressuring Taylor for the previous 11 rounds and he just decided it was in the bag, so he stopped. And with his history of dropping close decisions... I still shake my head about that fight. Look at how badly his career has gone since then, as MW champ his prospects would've been so much better. I also don't know why he didn't take the rematch with Taylor, but now I'm just ranting...
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Sure he is a good fighter, with a solid punch, and an excellent workrate, but why is he the only guy who seems to be able to get any amount of hype, and still receive no criticism by fight fans, I don't get it. He isn't fast, he doesn't have a great chin, he's relatively easy to hit. He does have decent technique, but is it just the blue collar nature of boxing that makes him so appealing to so many of you? Is it because he is the "Great white hope"? I like him now, but I still don't find him particularly exciting because everything he does is ordinary. He has no flash, he doesn't have the timing Hagler did or the personality. I don't know how he earned all this love.
I also think there are guys around his weight category (Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, Mikkel Kessler, Joe Calzaghe) who will school him, and even Bernard stands a good chance of beating Pavlik on Saturday night.
....shit don't worry about it, just all the more sweeter if your boy can pull it off and prove us all wrong. For me it's simply that the guy is just a fighter and that's it...no fancy ringwalk, no big flashy jewels, bunch of shit talk, or controvercy, he shows up and most of all takes care of buisness in the only place that matters.....the ring. And all his apparent faults are what i like about him most, like mentioned he's not fast, not quick on his feet, not flashy, looks far from very strong etc.......bottom line for me is he's an undefeated champ with no frills...... what's not to like...
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People aren't understanding, I like that people like Kelly, he's an extremely nice, humble guy, I am just saying that doesn't aquate to how great of a boxer he is. People liked Leonard, but that doesn't make him p4p better then Duran. People liked Lamotta, but not Robinson, that doesn't mean that Robinson wasn't the better man in the ring. That was the point I was making because people were stating that Pavlik has a legitimate chance against the 80's middleweights, yet some people on here don't even give guys like Roy Jones Jr, Mayweather, Winky Wright, Bernard Hopkins, James Toney a chance against the 80's fighters. I think its a double standard that isn't based purely on the boxing.
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Sure he is a good fighter, with a solid punch, and an excellent workrate, but why is he the only guy who seems to be able to get any amount of hype, and still receive no criticism by fight fans, I don't get it. He isn't fast, he doesn't have a great chin, he's relatively easy to hit. He does have decent technique, but is it just the blue collar nature of boxing that makes him so appealing to so many of you? Is it because he is the "Great white hope"? I like him now, but I still don't find him particularly exciting because everything he does is ordinary. He has no flash, he doesn't have the timing Hagler did or the personality. I don't know how he earned all this love.
I also think there are guys around his weight category (Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, Mikkel Kessler, Joe Calzaghe) who will school him, and even Bernard stands a good chance of beating Pavlik on Saturday night.
Two words come to mind: "results", "humility".
The guy's not a talker. He just beats whoever they put in front of him. Miranda was going to take his head off. He got KO'ed. Taylor was going to expose him. He got KO'ed. And he's humble, respectful, and grounded. With that he pretty much wins me over.
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kelly beat my man taylor, but he did it in such a way that it felt like taylor went out on his shield. pavlik is easy going and classy, which when combined with his technique and one punch show stopper, makes for a very likable and exciting fighter.
stop hating and learn to appreciate this wonderful talent.
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Sure he is a good fighter, with a solid punch, and an excellent workrate, but why is he the only guy who seems to be able to get any amount of hype, and still receive no criticism by fight fans, I don't get it. He isn't fast, he doesn't have a great chin, he's relatively easy to hit. He does have decent technique, but is it just the blue collar nature of boxing that makes him so appealing to so many of you? Is it because he is the "Great white hope"? I like him now, but I still don't find him particularly exciting because everything he does is ordinary. He has no flash, he doesn't have the timing Hagler did or the personality. I don't know how he earned all this love.
I also think there are guys around his weight category (Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, Mikkel Kessler, Joe Calzaghe) who will school him, and even Bernard stands a good chance of beating Pavlik on Saturday night.
Two words come to mind: "results", "humility".
The guy's not a talker. He just beats whoever they put in front of him. Miranda was going to take his head off. He got KO'ed. Taylor was going to expose him. He got KO'ed. And he's humble, respectful, and grounded. With that he pretty much wins me over.
Bhop is talking big game to. could he end up like the others?
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I'll make this easy for you, Taeth...
He is an undefeated champ in one of boxing's most storied divisions.
Taylor was supposed to be that but wasn't exciting... Pavlik filled the void that was Jermain Taylor with a young, tough, high work rate, exciting fighter...
Get's no criticism? How bout this... His handspeed is not exceptional... What other real criticism can you give him? He picks off shots with his gloves, is always on his toes, moves well, and friggin throws bombs...
It has nothing to do with Americans yerning for a hero:rolleyes:... Most of my favorite fighters are not of this country... Katsidis, Gamboa, Gatti, Cotto, Morrales, Hatton and Tszyu are not of this country... I could care less about that. But Kelly has found himself as the centerpiece of American boxing right now and it's not a mistake. He knocks MuthaFu**ahs out! I don't know about you, Taeth, but I find that a little exciting...:rolleyes:
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Sure he is a good fighter, with a solid punch, and an excellent workrate, but why is he the only guy who seems to be able to get any amount of hype, and still receive no criticism by fight fans, I don't get it. He isn't fast, he doesn't have a great chin, he's relatively easy to hit. He does have decent technique, but is it just the blue collar nature of boxing that makes him so appealing to so many of you? Is it because he is the "Great white hope"? I like him now, but I still don't find him particularly exciting because everything he does is ordinary. He has no flash, he doesn't have the timing Hagler did or the personality. I don't know how he earned all this love.
I also think there are guys around his weight category (Chad Dawson, Glen Johnson, Mikkel Kessler, Joe Calzaghe) who will school him, and even Bernard stands a good chance of beating Pavlik on Saturday night.
I understand and get all these points. But i'm also a fan and get why their is appeal in him. Party because of the things you touched on, and a lot because of the points others make.. We're coming into an era where we need new heroes, and it's still early days for Pavlik, and i'm excited to see him fight, which is what generally ropes me in as a fan of any fighter... You want to take the journey with them and live every fight with them on that journey..
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I'm not particuarly bothered what other people think but I like him and thats all that counts!
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I'll make this easy for you, Taeth...
He is an undefeated champ in one of boxing's most storied divisions.
Taylor was supposed to be that but wasn't exciting... Pavlik filled the void that was Jermain Taylor with a young, tough, high work rate, exciting fighter...
Get's no criticism? How bout this... His handspeed is not exceptional... What other real criticism can you give him? He picks off shots with his gloves, is always on his toes, moves well, and friggin throws bombs...
It has nothing to do with Americans yerning for a hero:rolleyes:... Most of my favorite fighters are not of this country... Katsidis, Gamboa, Gatti, Cotto, Morrales, Hatton and Tszyu are not of this country... I could care less about that. But Kelly has found himself as the centerpiece of American boxing right now and it's not a mistake. He knocks MuthaFu**ahs out! I don't know about you, Taeth, but I find that a little exciting...:rolleyes:
just one more day POB then hopefully kelly can silence eveybody about this "theres no body but miranda and taylor on his record" or "one deminsional" crap. if he kos bhop he has done wat nobody else has ever done which would be the greatest accomplishment of any boxer of 2008.
