The death penalty! for it or against it???

I'm going to keep my response short and sweet.. I'm all for it under very particular circumstances... And only really for the fact of saving the cost of keeping someone alive, locked up and feeding them for 60 odd years when they are never going to be released...

To me, it's a just a question that gets to the point of, should a certain person be kept out of society for the rest of their life for everyone else's safety.. If the case is yes, because that person is horrible and will damage to society if released, then the question is what do you do with them then??

Maybe they should have the choice between being in a cell forever or being put to death..


I just wish they'd get sentencing laws right to protect citizens, before worrying about what to do with the ones they've got stored...

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Originally Posted by Dizaster

I'm going to keep my response short and sweet.. I'm all for it under very particular circumstances... And only really for the fact of saving the cost of keeping someone alive, locked up and feeding them for 60 odd years when they are never going to be released...

To me, it's a just a question that gets to the point of, should a certain person be kept out of society for the rest of their life for everyone else's safety.. If the case is yes, because that person is horrible and will damage to society if released, then the question is what do you do with them then??

Maybe they should have the choice between being in a cell forever or being put to death..


I just wish they'd get sentencing laws right to protect citizens, before worrying about what to do with the ones they've got stored...

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I'm still wondering if is euthanasia is ethical or not. My answer would depend on who is supposed to be given death penalty.

I'd say yes if these are the people who caused the 9/11 and the likes.

I'd say no if they are not terrorists.:cool:

Voted against the death penalty because you can always get the wrong person and actually spending the rset of you life behind bars is worse than death. Its also cheaper as appeals cost and lawyers love those appeals.

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Anybody ever sat in a holding cell,when they really hadnt done anything wrong?
You think their going to get any nicer just because its a capitol case?
There is no justice,there's just us

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Voted against the death penalty because you can always get the wrong person and actually spending the rset of you life behind bars is worse than death. Its also cheaper as appeals cost and lawyers love those appeals.

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I think in certain cases the convicted should be fast tracked to the death penalty...let's say #1 If they ask for it and are of sound mind #2 If there are a number of reliable witnesses at least more than one but the more that saw 1 thing and agree on it the better #3 If they to some extent or another admit to the crime while of sound mind and not being threatened in any manner #4 If the defendant has a history of violent crime and is found guilty of murder.

What about the victim's family? What about their lives? Giving someone life (especially if they have the possibility of parole) isn't very reassuring and doesn't give the family much closure.

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Voted against the death penalty because you can always get the wrong person and actually spending the rest of you life behind bars is worse than death. Its also cheaper as appeals cost and lawyers love those appeals.

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I think in certain cases the convicted should be fast tracked to the death penalty...let's say #1 If they ask for it and are of sound mind

Why give the offender what he wants, let him suffer for the rest of their life.

#2 If there are a number of reliable witnesses at least more than one but the more that saw 1 thing and agree on it the better #3 If they to some extent or another admit to the crime while of sound mind and not being threatened in any manner #4 If the defendant has a history of violent crime and is found guilty of murder.

Miscarrages of justice can always happen and it is better they are alive than dead when you say oops.

What about the victim's family? What about their lives? Giving someone life (especially if they have the possibility of parole) isn't very reassuring and doesn't give the family much closure.

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Life should mean life, in the US they get over 100 years, they will never be free.

Then why do people get multiple life terms?

I am for it...Anyone who brutally rapes someone, Molest a child, murders in cold blood should be put to the death...

Why should they be allowed to live in Prision, 3 meals a day, TV, Laundry....And get to sit in the enviorment they thrive on while the tax money of their victims pay for it?.......

Do we want someone who molest a child allowed to be free?....They in reality took that childs life by destroying their happiness and ability to trust, Do we want someone who beats and Rapes a woman walking the street?,,,They like the child molester deprived that person of their abil;ity to live a functional life (At least for a long time to come), A murderer who shoots a man in cold blood for his wallet or a minor disagreement just robbed that persons family of them,,,,he took someones child, broke some mothers heart,,took someones husband or wife,,,he took some childs mother or father...and he should live?,,,,FUCK that Shit!!!!


I wish we had more punishing sentences..Castration, torture, I wish there was an eye for an eye punishment for these people....

I am a fairly religious man and understand what the bible states about to err is human to forgive is devine...Murder is not excusable for any reason etc...But you know what...

I am not God or Jesus...These men will stand in front of him and be judged...I will take my chances when that time comes as well..

In the meantime I know I can sleep better at night knowing that is one less person in the world I have to fear harming my family when I am not there, or anyone elses


Maybe if we had these punishments in place and implemented them more often thoise scumbags would be a bit more leery of commiting the crimes in the first place..,...

If they know the punishment before hand then they have noone but themselves to blame

You my friend will like MY BOY Gov. Bobby Jindal who was told by the Supreme Court that child molesters couldn't be excecuted....after that verdict he said "OK" and turned around and passed a Bill changing the punishment from death to chemical castration (or in some cases PHYSICAL castration)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6M9dBsUhyo


Bobby Jindal is the man!

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You my friend will like MY BOY Gov. Bobby Jindal who was told by the Supreme Court that child molesters couldn't be excecuted....after that verdict he said "OK" and turned around and passed a Bill changing the punishment from death to chemical castration (or in some cases PHYSICAL castration)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6M9dBsUhyo


Bobby Jindal is the man!

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Hell yeah he's the man!!!!!

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You my friend will like MY BOY Gov. Bobby Jindal who was told by the Supreme Court that child molesters couldn't be excecuted....after that verdict he said "OK" and turned around and passed a Bill changing the punishment from death to chemical castration (or in some cases PHYSICAL castration)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6M9dBsUhyo


Bobby Jindal is the man!

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Jindal is taking huge steps against child molesters.I think he has expanded the housing restrictions for convict's in regards to School district zones.Seems like every week we receive flyer's in the mail,telling you full name,birth date,photo's,address,etc.etc. of convicted child abusers.The "vigilante" aspects can be huge.But Physical castration.....might as well offer them elective bullet treatment ?

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It's just wrong is all I'm saying.

It's no different to the Chinese drowning unwanted girls in the river just with modern technology we can kill them sooner.

If your going to judge something good or evil; judge the intent behind the action and you get to see which side of the fence they actually stand on and if they really are the enemy or not.



The difference (can be the difference between compassion and power); One way is stopping a soul from entering here for a period of our time prior to its actual arrival in the body, (not so bad and is easily recorrected from the other side).Reasons for termination are personal, can be greed ,can be compassion,its not for us to judge.

The other is ceasing a humanized souls existence, one who has already been through the birthing process which is massive, looking at it from both sides -spirit and material. That adds up to both theft and murder for reasons of stealing power and position away from another for the perper-traitors own power gain.

I can't convieniantly just bunch those two groups together.


I mean if a thief broke into your home and stole a valuable ring it would be theft, but if he stole it in the mail whilst it was being sent to you would it not be theft, as after all the ring was not delivered yet?

It's such a weak and selfish argument.

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Ahhh :lickish:, The ring! its mine! Its my :mad: presshous! :mad:

I think the weak and selfish arguments stem from the this is right and this wrong camp cause the real causes are instantly scanned over so that all the blame is laid onto others.

The unselfish and stronger question to ask here is why does the thief need to steal it ?

Maybe to feed themselves or their children cause we don't care enough for them?

Any thief for any reason is lacking something a lot bigger than just the ring.

We are actually all in this together ,until we all 'get it' (the bigger picture);:rolleyes:some wont ever have it.

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Then why do people get multiple life terms?

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Hey Lyle just the other day I actually heard a judge say "In case there is such a thing as reincarnation I sentence you to 5 life sentences .
:cool: cool as,I was impressed ;D.

I'd rather him be shot....food is WASTED on the murderers! We could set up soup kitchens and feed the homeless but noooo we have to feed AND shelter people who break the law! Which in some cases is why people committ crimes...just to get a hot meal and a warm bed. I've seen it happen

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Oh and if you argue that it's the woman's choice, and I accept legally it is, then under the freedom of speech act I can exercise my own right to say that it's fucking evil and that they have done a shameful thing.

In a non judgemental way of course ;D

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And I would fight for your right to say it. "Freedom of Speech"

Even if I think you are wrong. ;D

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I'd rather him be shot....food is WASTED on the murderers! We could set up soup kitchens and feed the homeless but noooo we have to feed AND shelter people who break the law! Which in some cases is why people committ crimes...just to get a hot meal and a warm bed. I've seen it happen

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Make them grow and supply food for both themselves and the homeless while serving the time they can learn permaculture style farming and can give back for being allowed to live.

Before gettin into your post, publicly, I am neither for or against abortions.

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I disagree, it's up to a woman to do what she wants with her OWN body, but not the body inside her.

If an adult woman gets pregnant and decides she doesn't want the baby so gets it killed it's just fucking evil imo.

It may be legal, but I'd never get with a girl who values her own life and enjoyment above the life of an unborn child.

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At what point does sperm become a child? There are a lot of answers to this one question alone. And would take too long to place them all in this thread.

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Again I'm not talking about the 7% of legitimate abortions I'm talking about all the others.

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So, to you there are some abortions that are ok and some that are not. And to you it boils down to a moral question on which one you think are ok. Does that sum up your stand?

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You are right about statistics being manipulatable but come on man you know as well as I do that virtually all abortions are done simply because the woman doesn't want the child.

1.21 million abortions in the US alone in 2005, that's a hell of a lot of kids getting raped and impregnated don't you think?

It's also true that around 40% of all woman going for an abortion have had one previously.

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World wide there is a push to end smoking. Statistics say "Smoking Kills" more people per year than all other know illness's combined. But what they do not print is the question to the surveys. Did you know, that any death, where a cigarette can be found at the scene is considered smoking related if the person smoked? Does not matter if it was in a plane that crashed, a car that crashed or if the person was shot and killed. It all goes into the statistics on deaths related to smoking.

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It's just wrong is all I'm saying.

It's no different to the Chinese drowing unwanted girls in the river just with modern technology we can kill them sooner.

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Depends on when you consider sperm a living beathing person.

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I mean if a thief broke into your home and stole a valuable ring it would be theft, but if he stole it in the mail whilst it was being sent to you would it not be theft, as after all the ring was not delivered yet?

It's such a weak and selfish argument.

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I'd rather him be shot....food is WASTED on the murderers! We could set up soup kitchens and feed the homeless but noooo we have to feed AND shelter people who break the law! Which in some cases is why people committ crimes...just to get a hot meal and a warm bed. I've seen it happen

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Make them grow and supply food for both themselves and the homeless while serving the time they can learn permaculture style farming and can give back for being allowed to live.

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"Soylent Green" :o

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Before gettin into your post, publicly, I am neither for or against abortions.

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I disagree, it's up to a woman to do what she wants with her OWN body, but not the body inside her.

If an adult woman gets pregnant and decides she doesn't want the baby so gets it killed it's just fucking evil imo.

It may be legal, but I'd never get with a girl who values her own life and enjoyment above the life of an unborn child.

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At what point does sperm become a child? There are a lot of answers to this one question alone. And would take too long to place them all in this thread.

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Again I'm not talking about the 7% of legitimate abortions I'm talking about all the others.

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So, to you there are some abortions that are ok and some that are not. And to you it boils down to a moral question on which one you think are ok. Does that sum up your stand?



World wide there is a push to end smoking. Statistics say "Smoking Kills" more people per year than all other know illness's combined. But what they do not print is the question to the surveys. Did you know, that any death, where a cigarette can be found at the scene is considered smoking related if the person smoked? Does not matter if it was in a plane that crashed, a car that crashed or if the person was shot and killed. It all goes into the statistics on deaths related to smoking.

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It's just wrong is all I'm saying.

It's no different to the Chinese drowing unwanted girls in the river just with modern technology we can kill them sooner.

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Depends on when you consider sperm a living beathing person.

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I mean if a thief broke into your home and stole a valuable ring it would be theft, but if he stole it in the mail whilst it was being sent to you would it not be theft, as after all the ring was not delivered yet?

It's such a weak and selfish argument.

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Im sure, Im standing along side Ahh , with you on this Ghost :-\.

Where are you ???


Although Im attempting to relay the real spiritual and bigger picture concerning the two different intents found behind this action: You are dealing with the intellectual side of the same issue, may I say from the correct feeling/spirit which stem from the light and the truth, unlike the churches usual spiritually immature and darkened stance.

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Im sure, Im standing along side Ahh , with you on this Ghost :-\.

Where are you ???


Although Im attempting to relay the real spiritual and bigger picture concerning the two different intents found behind this action: You are dealing with the intellectual side of the same issue, may I say from the correct feeling/spirit which stem from the light and the truth, unlike the churches usual spiritually immature and darkened stance.

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Know where you coming from Andre. Deep down below, the light always shines, even in/at the darkest points. Some are blinded by the darkness and fail to see the truth in the light. To those, I say Open yourself to the greater truth in the either world and let the light shine.




Eggs and bacon for brerakfast always hit the spot.

Did not realize that they still use firing squads as a form of execution in Oklahoma.Wow.

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Eggs and bacon for breakfast always hit the spot.

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;D Oh fried bread tomatoes and mushrooms and a cuppa tea just have to go along with that.

Add Chicken to that and you got the whole genetic pool going on, from the was here to the could be here ;).

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Did not realize that they still use firing squads as a form of execution in Oklahoma.Wow.

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No Sh!t ? ! I'll be fukked!

So what about Mexico they still put you against the wall down there too?

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Did not realize that they still use firing squads as a form of execution in Oklahoma.Wow.

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No Sh!t ? ! I'll be fukked!

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I think its secondary form, but damn,I think of the civil war when that comes up ??

Whats 'secondary form' mean?

So has someone got a choice?

Oh, choice of weapon would be great :cool:

Yeah :D shoot me out of cannon straight into the ocean please.

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;D you gotta love this kat Andre; I can't understand a f#cking thing he says.

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;D You too .
Well,you cant fathom truth just utilizing the brain alone, although if you did take it to heart; all the false social and religious beliefs taught to us and all the self guilt would fall off you like chains and you'd feel free,unjudged and think better about yourself then everyone and everything.;)

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Andre we have got to go on the piss when I'm in Australia , you are pretty wise for a senile Old Guy ;D

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I'm all for the death penalty when appropriate. I just don't like it done by the state. Let the State give the trial and incarcerate them if need be, but that is as far as it should go. I think the family of the victim should determine if they want it and should be responsible for carrying it out.