Call Me Crazy But I Want To See This

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Originally Posted by Lyle

If Wlad had the chin of Muhamed Ali he'd be the best heavyweight ever

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So...... in your mind the only thing Muhammad Ali had on Wlad Klitshcko is a better chin? Your freaking nuts, that's not even worth responding to. Seriously HAH. The only way Wlad would have a chance in hell against Ali is if their chins were in fact replaced with one anothers, and Wlad would still have to hope to hell to land something in 12 rounds where he would otherwise be getting schooled badly. But whatever you think Lyle.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

So...... in your mind the only thing Muhammad Ali had on Wlad Klitshcko is a better chin? Your freaking nuts, that's not even worth responding to. Seriously HAH. The only way Wlad would have a chance in hell against Ali is if their chins were in fact replaced with one anothers, and Wlad would still have to hope to hell to land something in 12 rounds where he would otherwise be getting schooled badly. But whatever you think Lyle.

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I was trying to prove a point when someone posts this....

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Originally Posted by ICB

James Toney = Floyd Mayweather

If James Toney had Floyd Mayweather's dedication to training, its just scary to think how good he could of been.

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My point was to show how ridiculous ICB's post was....but if you want to talk about how Muhammed Ali could beat up God then go right ahead....let's just sit back and read about the greatness that is Ali traveling the Earth and beating everyone at boxing.....I think all his losses should be wiped off his record because he like KirklandLaing and the Pope is infallible.....so to make a long story short I am fucking tired of hearing about how great Ali was....fuck him. Everytime anyone posts anything with the name Ali in it the Ali fanatics (who are worse than the Calzaghe fans, worse than the Toney fans, simply put they are the worst fans ever) jump on whoever questions Ali or comes close to doubting him.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by ICB

I'll have to call you crazy on this one bro, this would be a ridiculous fight IMO. And i have no idea how Bernard Hopkins would be able to get above 200 pounds, and James Toney well lets be honest the last time he was in shape was when he fought Evander Holyfield.

Speaking of which JT i see you talk about Evander Holyfield vs James Toney, i also believe a prime James Toney would give a prime Evander Holyfield fits aswell, can you imagine them going at it prime for prime at Cruiserweight ? wow.

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Honestly its a pikem Evander has all the heart but James would fight beyond all the limitations, crazy to think these to just missed each other by a few years... Moorer gave him all the trouble 2 x bar when holy Knocked him down, albeit moorer was a south paw james had all the tangibles and intangibles as well as the toughness and ability to swim in the deep waters with Evander... Toney is an enigma to me and one of the greatest, want to see him leave on a high note... Love me some David Haye, but Toney would spoil him all day perfecyt retirement fight to go out on a high note....

There will never be another like James Toney and Bernard Hopkins

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James Toney = Floyd Mayweather

If James Toney had Floyd Mayweather's dedication to training, its just scary to think how good he could of been.

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Agreed...Toney could have been one of the sports all time greatest...He is an ATG now but I am talking top 10...

Problem is Toney knew how good he was and for a while just did not really take things seriously...EG- The losses to Thadzi

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Nard said he would go to heavyweight to fight Maskaev,

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That's because Maskaev had a belt. Toney doesn't have one.

Hopkins-Toney would have been an interesting fight at one point in time, but I don't see it happening now.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by p4pking

So...... in your mind the only thing Muhammad Ali had on Wlad Klitshcko is a better chin? Your freaking nuts, that's not even worth responding to. Seriously HAH. The only way Wlad would have a chance in hell against Ali is if their chins were in fact replaced with one anothers, and Wlad would still have to hope to hell to land something in 12 rounds where he would otherwise be getting schooled badly. But whatever you think Lyle.

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I was trying to prove a point when someone posts this....

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Originally Posted by ICB

James Toney = Floyd Mayweather

If James Toney had Floyd Mayweather's dedication to training, its just scary to think how good he could of been.

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My point was to show how ridiculous ICB's post was....but if you want to talk about how Muhammed Ali could beat up God then go right ahead....let's just sit back and read about the greatness that is Ali traveling the Earth and beating everyone at boxing.....I think all his losses should be wiped off his record because he like KirklandLaing and the Pope is infallible.....so to make a long story short I am fucking tired of hearing about how great Ali was....fuck him. Everytime anyone posts anything with the name Ali in it the Ali fanatics (who are worse than the Calzaghe fans, worse than the Toney fans, simply put they are the worst fans ever) jump on whoever questions Ali or comes close to doubting him.

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How was my post ridiculous ? i said if James Toney had Floyd Mayweather's dedication to training he could of been as good as Floyd Mayweather. what is ridiculous about post ? please tell me.

And how does that compare to if Wladimir Klitschko had Muhammad Ali's chin he would be the best HW ever :rolleyes:

Wladimir Klitschko is too robotic, he has stamina issues which caused him to lost to Ross Purity not his weak chin. Amongst a list full of other flaws.

This would have been great at one point, maybe when James was at cruiser.

Now James has slown down too much probably, Hopkins a bit too quick.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

This would have been great at one point, maybe when James was at cruiser.

Now James has slown down too much probably, Hopkins a bit too quick.

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Yea maybe, I don't really like the idea of Hopkins putting on 25+ pounds to fight at HW this age though? Toney could just be to strong having been walking around so much bigger for years. Either way it wouldn't really have a lot of merit if it were to happen at this point imo, neither guys have the time to waste on this.. Toney might have something left he might not, Hopkins definetly does but how long would it take him to put on that much weight properly yada yada..

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Originally Posted by p4pking

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

This would have been great at one point, maybe when James was at cruiser.

Now James has slown down too much probably, Hopkins a bit too quick.

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Yea maybe, I don't really like the idea of Hopkins putting on 25+ pounds to fight at HW this age though? Toney could just be to strong having been walking around so much bigger for years. Either way it wouldn't really have a lot of merit if it were to happen at this point imo, neither guys have the time to waste on this.. Toney might have something left he might not, Hopkins definetly does but how long would it take him to put on that much weight properly yada yada..

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I have no idea how Bernard Hopkins would get to 200 pounds, his frame isn't that big. And his attributes would go down the toilet if he put on that much weight, plus James Toney would have atleast 30+ pound advantage.

This would of been great to see when they were both at there best, two of the most skilled throwback fighters of this era. But its simple mathematics no way Bernard Hopkins can get that high in weight healthily IMO.

He wouldn't go up that far in weight.

At least I'd be shocked if he did. Probably no more than 180 at most.

Now I'm talking about this like its an actual possibility :confused:

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

He wouldn't go up that far in weight.

At least I'd be shocked if he did. Probably no more than 180 at most.

Now I'm talking about this like its an actual possibility :confused:

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I only brought up the possibility on the merit that, Hop said he was willing to fight at heavyweight against Maskaev a few years ago.. I know it wouldnt happen but I think its definely has some appeal, even if James trained properly and got back down to cruiser..

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Originally Posted by ICB

How was my post ridiculous ? i said if James Toney had Floyd Mayweather's dedication to training he could of been as good as Floyd Mayweather. what is ridiculous about post ? please tell me.

And how does that compare to if Wladimir Klitschko had Muhammad Ali's chin he would be the best HW ever :rolleyes:

Wladimir Klitschko is too robotic, he has stamina issues which caused him to lost to Ross Purity not his weak chin. Amongst a list full of other flaws.

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My point is that James Toney being more dedicated wouldn't help anything. You don't think James Toney was dedicated when he was fighting at 168 or cruiser? You don't think James was dedicated when he took on John Ruiz and Evander Holyfield? Being as dedicated as Mayweather doesn't do anything for James Toney, doesn't give him any wins he didn't already have, and doesn't give him any losses he didn't already have.

James Toney is great as is end of story.....that's all I have to say about him. Although I dislike him and his fans a bunch.

I only used Wlad to get you to respond but instead I get hounded about Muhamed Ali :rolleyes: as always