Re: How will Kostya Tszyu be remembered
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porkypara
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intoccabile
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porkypara
What about the Tyson-Berbick fight should that have been stopped?
Or how about Tommy Morrison-Ray Mercer?
:rolleyes:
They were clearly out.
REwatch the zab knock out.
He recovered as soon as he hit the canvas again.
Berbick was OUT.
Morrison was OUT
Zab had full composure and had every right to complain
Well having watched it again I still think it was a good stoppage by the reff.
Zabs legs were gone!
http://http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2o7A3rMN6Co
Dunno bro, I just disagree.
The 10 count is the time needed to get his composure back. As you can see, he hits the canvas again and gets back up after the fight is flagged and is perfectly fine. That would have been a 6 count at the very most - which means he would have beaten any count that the ref made easily.. IF the ref made a count.
A fighter shouldn't be penalized for trying to stand again too soon like Zab was. Zab could have continued the fight after beating a count perfectly. My oppinion though
Re: How will Kostya Tszyu be remembered
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BIG H
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I don't think becoming an old man and losing to a peek Ricky Hatton affects your legacy!
Yeh an old 35 year old with less fights than Hatton and only one real war in the ring (Philips) and coming off one of his best career wins (Mitchell) where he looked awesome. Amazing how he became old and shot between fights :rolleyes:
He had fought only 3 rounds in 2 and a half years and Mitchell was shot to bits by Tszyu and never did anything afterwoods. Hatton was always in the box seat in this fight. Injury and age beat Tszyu in the finish.
Re: How will Kostya Tszyu be remembered
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BIG H
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GuyIncognito76
I don't think becoming an old man and losing to a peek Ricky Hatton affects your legacy!
Yeh an old 35 year old with less fights than Hatton and only one real war in the ring (Philips) and coming off one of his best career wins (Mitchell) where he looked awesome. Amazing how he became old and shot between fights :rolleyes:
Kostya Tszyu also had a wild fight with Diosbelys Hurtado, where he was knocked down twice.
If i remember rightly his eye swelled up really quickly like one Arturo Gatti's eyes it was that bad.
Disobelys Hurtado was a good fighter he had two great fighters like Pernell Whitaker, Kostya Tszyu, down twice but he couldn't seal the deal.
Re: How will Kostya Tszyu be remembered
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intoccabile
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porkypara
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intoccabile
They were clearly out.
REwatch the zab knock out.
He recovered as soon as he hit the canvas again.
Berbick was OUT.
Morrison was OUT
Zab had full composure and had every right to complain
Well having watched it again I still think it was a good stoppage by the reff.
Zabs legs were gone!
Dunno bro, I just disagree.
The 10 count is the time needed to get his composure back. As you can see, he hits the canvas again and gets back up after the fight is flagged and is perfectly fine. That would have been a 6 count at the very most - which means he would have beaten any count that the ref made easily.. IF the ref made a count.
A fighter shouldn't be penalized for trying to stand again too soon like Zab was. Zab could have continued the fight after beating a count perfectly. My oppinion though
I thought that when he got back up then went down again the fight is over, that there was a rule that covered this possibility. It wasn't any kind of a judgement call by the ref, he just followed the rules. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Re: How will Kostya Tszyu be remembered
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CGM
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intoccabile
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porkypara
Well having watched it again I still think it was a good stoppage by the reff.
Zabs legs were gone!
Dunno bro, I just disagree.
The 10 count is the time needed to get his composure back. As you can see, he hits the canvas again and gets back up after the fight is flagged and is perfectly fine. That would have been a 6 count at the very most - which means he would have beaten any count that the ref made easily.. IF the ref made a count.
A fighter shouldn't be penalized for trying to stand again too soon like Zab was. Zab could have continued the fight after beating a count perfectly. My oppinion though
I thought that when he got back up then went down again the fight is over, that there was a rule that covered this possibility. It wasn't any kind of a judgement call by the ref, he just followed the rules. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm not sure bro.. if that's the case then i guess it's no question on whether or
not he could continue....great stoppage.
Re: How will Kostya Tszyu be remembered
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intoccabile
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porkypara
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Nah, I don't think it should have been stopped.
Zab had alot of time and stood up too fast and was off balance and still
a bit wobbled, so fell again. The ref stopped it out of reflex IMO. Seeing zab stumble
around like that after standing.
I personally wouldn't have stopped it.
The ref had never even started counting yet.
What about the Tyson-Berbick fight should that have been stopped?
Or how about Tommy Morrison-Ray Mercer?
:rolleyes:
They were clearly out.
REwatch the zab knock out.
He recovered as soon as he hit the canvas again.
Berbick was OUT.
Morrison was OUT
Zab had full composure and had every right to complain
Zab Judah should thank Jay Nady for saving his life that night and pro longing his career, if that fight had gone into a 3rd round Zab might not be here to keep on telling us and anyone who will listen how good he is "you know what i'm sayin'"
One more punch half as heavy as Zab took and he would've been in serious trouble health wise, as it is his career has been patchy ever since.
Re: How will Kostya Tszyu be remembered
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intoccabile
I felt the zab stoppage was terrible imo. Sure, he got up and fell back down.. but thats no reason to call the fight just because he was falling again. It was just so damn funny to watch. I always laugh seeing zab dance.
I agree and plus you gotta take into consideration that Zab won round 1 and was winning round 2 up until the brutal shot.
Same thing with John Ruiz he was clearly beating David Tua up until the brutal KO.
How about Duran he lost the 1st round 10-8 I think the 2nd knockdown was actually a slip. But in round 2 Duran was clearly measuring Hearns up until he got caught. But I think Duran was on his way to something there.
Re: How will Kostya Tszyu be remembered
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THE THIRD MAN
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intoccabile
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porkypara
What about the Tyson-Berbick fight should that have been stopped?
Or how about Tommy Morrison-Ray Mercer?
:rolleyes:
They were clearly out.
REwatch the zab knock out.
He recovered as soon as he hit the canvas again.
Berbick was OUT.
Morrison was OUT
Zab had full composure and had every right to complain
Zab Judah should thank Jay Nady for saving his life that night and pro longing his career, if that fight had gone into a 3rd round Zab might not be here to keep on telling us and anyone who will listen how good he is "you know what i'm sayin'"
One more punch half as heavy as Zab took and he would've been in serious trouble health wise, as it is his career has been patchy ever since.
Exactly.
