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I couldn't agree more Donny.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part but I can't help but think the ODLH win exagerates his capabilities at the higher weights somewhat. Sure he looked awesome against Oscar but that's as much down to ODLH himself as it is Pac.
How can everybody be so sure that Pac takes his power with him to 140 and above? IMO the ODLH fight can't be evidence of that.
Yeh Hatton might be the strongest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainJMM hurt pac in the 8th, while pac was trying to wipe the blood from his eye jmm caught him in the body and pac didn't see it coming. It took pacs wind away but pac recovered as soon as the blood stopped coming down on his eyes. That would happen to anybody in that situation but not all would of kept standing let alone survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireSimple answer no he hasn't he also hasn't met anyone, with Ricky Hatton's body punching abilities. And Considering Manny Pacquiao was KO'ed with a body shot, i know he was weight drained a young Manny Pacquiao fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
But i would still be interested how Manny Pacquiao takes Ricky Hatton's body punches. I remember in the 2nd JMM fight, Manny Pacquiao was badly hurt from a body shot, and JMM isn't really known as a body puncher and it was only 1 round of body punching assault.
So i would make this fight pretty even and Ricky Hatton has quick feet, so he can close the distance very well. The only problem is that Manny Pacquiao is a much improved boxer.
And his countering abilities have improved greatly so he has the skills, to pick Ricky Hatton apart from the outside. And Ricky Hatton's defence has been very leaky lately especially to left hands. And remember Ricky Hatton has struggled with Southpaws since he was an Amateur.
But it should be a very interesting bout it all depends which fighter, can make it there type of fight.
Pacs actually lets oppenent hit him in the body sometimes, his body and chin is as solid as anyone. Can you image anybody else getting hit with all the blows eric,marco,jmm have all landed on pac? hell no, guys like hatton would of been ktfo. Hatton bigger but not stronger. he'll hug and try to be physical but dont mean he stronger, he just bigger. Compare to the three greats, hatton looks soft.
I do remember JMM hittin him with some not alot of body bunches and they seem to have made him stop cold on his feet on go on defensive for a bit.
But will Hatton Fight his usual fight? Like he did against Mayweather or Fight like he foguht Maliggnagi?
As for Hatton Lookin soft compared to the 3 greats I agree!:cool:
He doesn't come in heavier fight night. Otherwise he would be sluggish like he was against Collazo. You gotta trust me on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGySlow down you're embarrasing yourself homie.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeWTF ??Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Is the Collazo fight the only fight you've seen ? Hatton doesn't come in at that weight whatsoever. He comes in at 140 fight night. You obviousley don't know much about the sport.
And I am certainly not embarrasing myself. This coming from the same guy who a few days ago said Tony Margarito was pretty :LOLATYOU:
A couple of pounds maybe. But 150 is ridiculous. Hatton wouldn't be "Hatton" at 150 pounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConradAre you sure Lefty? Hatton has to weigh in more on fight night than he does at the weigh in?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
The whole idea is to be water drained in order to get as light as possible. Once re-hydrated I'd guess Hatton weighs in around the 147lb mark on fight night.
LOL I never said he's pretty. I just like you gave my opinion and I said he aint ugly as you were saying. still barking about that huh...(yawn) Wut does my sigi says?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeHe doesn't come in heavier fight night. Otherwise he would be sluggish like he was against Collazo. You gotta trust me on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGySlow down you're embarrasing yourself homie.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
And I am certainly not embarrasing myself. This coming from the same guy who a few days ago said Tony Margarito was pretty :LOLATYOU:
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Originally Posted by leftyleeA couple of pounds maybe. But 150 is ridiculous. Hatton wouldn't be "Hatton" at 150 pounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConradAre you sure Lefty? Hatton has to weigh in more on fight night than he does at the weigh in?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
The whole idea is to be water drained in order to get as light as possible. Once re-hydrated I'd guess Hatton weighs in around the 147lb mark on fight night.
why is this even being discussed.
if hatton fights manny it`ll be at 140
no more, no less!!
I don't mean to correct anyone, but it is an established fact that Ricky does come into the fight at least 7 to 10 pounds heavier than his weigh in weight.
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Originally Posted by leftyleeA couple of pounds maybe. But 150 is ridiculous. Hatton wouldn't be "Hatton" at 150 pounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConradAre you sure Lefty? Hatton has to weigh in more on fight night than he does at the weigh in?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
The whole idea is to be water drained in order to get as light as possible. Once re-hydrated I'd guess Hatton weighs in around the 147lb mark on fight night.
:rolleyes:
Did you just told me to trust you on your previous post?Quote:
He doesn't come in heavier fight night. Otherwise he would be sluggish like he was against Collazo. You gotta trust me on this.
:lolhaha: That right there is camp talk. Seriousley. You don't fool me. No go along and jack off to your Tony picture :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyLOL I never said he's pretty. I just like you gave my opinion and I said he aint ugly as you were saying. still barking about that huh...(yawn) Wut does my sigi says?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeHe doesn't come in heavier fight night. Otherwise he would be sluggish like he was against Collazo. You gotta trust me on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGy
And I am certainly not embarrasing myself. This coming from the same guy who a few days ago said Tony Margarito was pretty :LOLATYOU:
I ain't discussing boxing with little gay boys :gay5:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyQuote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeA couple of pounds maybe. But 150 is ridiculous. Hatton wouldn't be "Hatton" at 150 pounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
:rolleyes:
Did you just told me to trust you on your previous post?Quote:
He doesn't come in heavier fight night. Otherwise he would be sluggish like he was against Collazo. You gotta trust me on this.
Alright you win I knew he aint your type. Ive always taught teenage girls dislike 'gangsta' lookin dudes..and Im pretty sure you're gonna have an orgasm just hearing Joe Calzaghe's name.;D ohh and please tell us who's prettier..Wlad or Vitali?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee:lolhaha: That right there is camp talk. Seriousley. You don't fool me. No go along and jack off to your Tony picture :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyLOL I never said he's pretty. I just like you gave my opinion and I said he aint ugly as you were saying. still barking about that huh...(yawn) Wut does my sigi says?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
:spunk:
coz you're an EMPTY can..you just accused somebody in here he knew nothing about boxing and you kept barking on previous non-related threads. You're wrong about Ricky not putting on any weight after hitting the scales and you just have to admitt that. I won't call you a faggot. I swear. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeI ain't discussing boxing with little gay boys :gay5:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
:rolleyes:
Did you just told me to trust you on your previous post?Quote:
He doesn't come in heavier fight night. Otherwise he would be sluggish like he was against Collazo. You gotta trust me on this.
Nice comeback. Not. And why you sayin this shiit to me ? When you're the proven gay boy LMAO!! :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyAlright you win I knew he aint your type. Ive always taught teenage girls dislike 'gangsta' lookin dudes..and Im pretty sure you're gonna have an orgasm just hearing Joe Calzaghe's name.;D ohh and please tell us who's prettier..Wlad and Vitali?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee:lolhaha: That right there is camp talk. Seriousley. You don't fool me. No go along and jack off to your Tony picture :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGy
:spunk:
Fine I admit it. Happy. LOL. Now you gonna admit your a gay, cuz you are :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGycoz you're an EMPTY can..you just accused somebody in here he knew nothing about boxing and you kept barking on previous non-related threads. You're wrong about Ricky not putting on any weight after hitting the scales and you just have to admitt that. I won't call you a faggot. I swear. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeI ain't discussing boxing with little gay boys :gay5:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGy
Ha! I think he looks badass and I'm gay? you were the one who had the taste of a teenage girl calling him ugly and freaky with his moustache! so does that mean that anyone who disagrees with your girly tastes is gay? Not.oh boy..go talk to your girlfriends.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeNice comeback. Not. And why you sayin this shiit to me ? When you're the proven gay boy LMAO!! :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyAlright you win I knew he aint your type. Ive always taught teenage girls dislike 'gangsta' lookin dudes..and Im pretty sure you're gonna have an orgasm just hearing Joe Calzaghe's name.;D ohh and please tell us who's prettier..Wlad and Vitali?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
:spunk:
Actually you said he weren't ugly. Which implies he's cute.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyHa! I think he looks badass and I'm gay? you were the one who had the taste of a teenage girl calling him ugly and freaky with his moustache! so does that mean that anyone who disagrees with your girly tastes is gay? Not.oh boy..go talk to your girlfriends.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeNice comeback. Not. And why you sayin this shiit to me ? When you're the proven gay boy LMAO!! :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGy
And you're criticizing me for not liking a guy with a moustache ? LOL have you heard yourself. I can't belive you just said that. It may be normal to say he's pretty in your gay world, but not mine. I ain't into your sick camp fantasies. Fag.
There you are. I aint happy. You should be. you just vindicated (damage control ;D) yourself and please stop the margarito mustache thing. If mustaches look gay to you I can't help you buddy. They're freaky aren't they!?!:la:Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeFine I admit it. Happy. LOL. Now you gonna admit your a gay, cuz you are :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGycoz you're an EMPTY can..you just accused somebody in here he knew nothing about boxing and you kept barking on previous non-related threads. You're wrong about Ricky not putting on any weight after hitting the scales and you just have to admitt that. I won't call you a faggot. I swear. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
I never said moustaches are gay. I just laughed at Margarito's porno tash. I also said I ain't into men with a moustache, unlike you. Which you clearly said.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyThere you are. I aint happy. You should be. you just vindicated (damage control ;D) yourself and please stop the margarito mustache thing. If mustaches look gay to you I can't help you buddy. They're freaky aren't they!?!:la:Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeFine I admit it. Happy. LOL. Now you gonna admit your a gay, cuz you are :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGy
So there. I'm done with you anyway. I ain't got the time to sit around and discuss how gay you are, cuz I actually have a life bar the internet!.
OMG look at that logic. You are one smart guy. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeQuote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyHa! I think he looks badass and I'm gay? you were the one who had the taste of a teenage girl calling him ugly and freaky with his moustache! so does that mean that anyone who disagrees with your girly tastes is gay? Not.oh boy..go talk to your girlfriends.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Actually you said he weren't ugly. Which implies he's cute.
Nope. I aint criticizing your punk ass for not liking a moustache or for calling him ugly. I just said he don't look ugly to me and in fact he look badass like a gangsta to me. And I even said I'd rather looked like that than a fat Ricky Hatton (even if I'm a big fan of Ricky). does that make me gay? You started throwing names and insults to me after I gave my opinion in a not so boxing-related thread. Then I criticized your punk ass in this thread about your VERY SURE STATEMENT about Ricky's weight and because of the lack of valid reasonings and the ability to be in a decent argument you again came up with these banters.You just to have to defend your heavy statements (and accusations) and accept faults if you cant do so anymore. That's why I'm scrutinizing your punk EMPTY CAN ass and I still won't call you a fag!Quote:
And you're criticizing me for not liking a guy with a moustache ? LOL have you heard yourself. I can't belive you just said that. It may be normal to say he's pretty in your gay world, but not mine. I ain't into your sick camp fantasies. Fag.
man...what the heck happen to this thread ;D
looks like an audience is building up, :D
What round is it? :o oohh!
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Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyOMG look at that logic. You are one smart guy. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeActually you said he weren't ugly. Which implies he's cute.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGy
Nope. I aint criticizing your punk ass for not liking a moustache or for calling him ugly. I just said he don't look ugly to me and in fact he look badass like a gangsta to me. And I even said I'd rather looked like that than a fat Ricky Hatton (even if I'm a big fan of Ricky). does that make me gay? You started throwing names and insults to me after I gave my opinion in a not so boxing-related thread. Then I criticized your punk ass in this thread about your VERY SURE STATEMENT about Ricky's weight and because of the lack of valid reasonings and the ability to be in a decent argument you again came up with these banters.You just to have to defend your heavy statements (and accusations) and accept faults if you cant do so anymore. That's why I'm scrutinizing your punk EMPTY CAN ass and I still won't call you a fag!Quote:
And you're criticizing me for not liking a guy with a moustache ? LOL have you heard yourself. I can't belive you just said that. It may be normal to say he's pretty in your gay world, but not mine. I ain't into your sick camp fantasies. Fag.
Ive been to ireland many many times and have never heard anyone use these phrases....though would dearly like to ;D
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Originally Posted by leftylee
As always Donny speaketh the truth! No way Hatton weighs in at 140 come fight night. He's at least 147lb on the night once re-hydrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
This is the case for every boxer! Surely you're aware of that Lefty?
Fact. The said thing is he just accused someone of not knowing anything about boxing then after embarrasing his punk EMPTY CAN ass started diggin and barkin about some pointless thread and posts. Is this guy for real? or is this just the way things goes in here?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ConradQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
As always Donny speaketh the truth! No way Hatton weighs in at 140 come fight night. He's at least 147lb on the night once re-hydrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
This is the case for every boxer! Surely you're aware of that Lefty?
He'll bulk up a couple. But I doubt Hatton comes in around 150. Cuz 140 suits him fine. If he does come in at 150 then I didn't have a clue. Most boxers bulk up obviousley. But I still think Hatton doesn't go up 10 pounds. If I'm wrong then so be it. I guess you learn something new every day LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConradQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
As always Donny speaketh the truth! No way Hatton weighs in at 140 come fight night. He's at least 147lb on the night once re-hydrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
This is the case for every boxer! Surely you're aware of that Lefty?
What's it like talking to the wall ? You still banging on ? Damn. I already won TKO Round 2. Bout's over. And you don't deserve a rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyFact. The said thing is he just accused someone of not knowing anything about boxing then after embarrasing his punk EMPTY CAN ass started diggin and barkin about some pointless thread and posts. Is this guy for real? or is this just the way things goes in here?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ConradQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
As always Donny speaketh the truth! No way Hatton weighs in at 140 come fight night. He's at least 147lb on the night once re-hydrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
This is the case for every boxer! Surely you're aware of that Lefty?
Wow!, "What a total _____" You can fill in the blank. But my bad for writing DLH was at 142 he was at 147 and that weight on fight night with his clothes on. Pacquiao was 142 and re hydrated to 148 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeHe doesn't come in heavier fight night. Otherwise he would be sluggish like he was against Collazo. You gotta trust me on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGySlow down you're embarrasing yourself homie.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
And I am certainly not embarrasing myself. This coming from the same guy who a few days ago said Tony Margarito was pretty :LOLATYOU:
I vaguely remember reading Hatton saying 6 lbs re hydrated is his optimum.
When fighters make weight, let us say for the fight say 140lbs, they "plan" to rehydrate at a higher weight to gain an advantage during the fight. The more he has to dehydrate to make the weight the less stamina he has for the fight. 4 to 6 lbs is a good target for light welterweight. Generally the more weight a fighter has the more power his punches have thus the reasoning for advantage during the fight. Some fighters/trainers don't like this plan and don't do it, but many do. There are also factors as to weather a fighter is coming up in weight or going down. Because it is not illegal, a fighter can be dehydrated to make weight by using an IV.
Since Pacquiao is normally around 145-150 in shape I don't expect he will try to bulk up any more and will use the same training regiment as he had for DLH. 8 weeks. Hatton on the other hand most likely will opt toward his power and I look for him to go into the fight with as much weight advantage as he can get. Thus why I say about 150. Although I read he plans on training for 13 weeks for this fight.
I think if Mayweather Sr. wants Hatton to train lighter (same as DLH) to gain more speed and turn Hatton from his abilities that got him to the top, I think it is a mistake because Hatton is no Mayweather Jr. and he will loose his power advantage. Lets see what his actual plan is during the training camp watch.
Pacman will KO Hatton! Hatton doesnt hit you with crisp shots that land flush. When he wins its simply because he's in better shape and he wrestles peoples energy away. That crap won't work against Pacquiao's superior movement. Pac is way to quick and slippery for Hatton to try to come inside and bully. Pacquiao's left hand is gonna make Hatton look like a mess. Im just not that impressed with Hatton. He cant put together combinations, he has no jab, and he's predictable. Trust me Freddie Roach will have a master plan to annialate Ricky Hatton. Maybe this will finally shut Floyd Mayweather Sr. up about how he thinks he's the best trainer out there. Roach 5 to 1 better than Mayweather, Pacquiao 5 to 1 better than Hatton!
I'd rather talk to a wall all day than argue more with your childish punk EMPTY CAN ass.:lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeWhat's it like talking to the wall ? You still banging on ? Damn. I already won TKO Round 2. Bout's over. And you don't deserve a rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyFact. The said thing is he just accused someone of not knowing anything about boxing then after embarrasing his punk EMPTY CAN ass started diggin and barkin about some pointless thread and posts. Is this guy for real? or is this just the way things goes in here?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
you think you won?fine.but you just got served homie.
and I'm still not callin you gay!
I heartily disagree with pretty much everything you say. Hatton is clearly Pac's most powerful opponent yet, and one of the quickest on his feet too. Manny will have more than a fit or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
Not unless he will came Face to face with the former no. 1 Floyd Mayweather No that is a True Test of hi skillsmanship!
Pacquiao has faced many faster fighters than Hatton in lower weight classes, just none that are as powerful. Hatton has to mug Pacquiao Ruberto Duran style if wants a "W".Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI heartily disagree with pretty much everything you say. Hatton is clearly Pac's most powerful opponent yet, and one of the quickest on his feet too. Manny will have more than a fit or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
I think in the power department, they are pretty muched matched, unless Hatton comes in much heavier, which is what he should do. If Hatton comes in lighter, around (140) like some of you think he will, there is no way he's going to out box Pacquiao. Mayweather Sr. is just dreaming if he thinks Hatton can dance his way to a win over Pacquiao. If that happens Just mark another "L" on Hatton's resume.
Mayweather never..... faces Pacquiao. Especial after Pacquiao beats Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by mod777
Hatton is not quick on his feet. He simply comes in ties you up and try to bully you. Hardly any movement at all. He usually makes for very boring fights, but with Pacquiao's movement he's gonna be teeing off on Hattons face. This fight will be stopped, I'll garuntee it!
As far as physicality,I believe he is the strongest Manny has faced.I don't think he stands a chance of straight outboxing Pacquioa.Diaz was pretty strong,rugged and I think Pacquioa will have to box him smart with that straight power and movement....don't get drawn into a clutch,hook affair.Hatton is leaps and bounds ahead of a Diaz and can be very effective on the inside,But I can not get the vision of Lazcano catching him with those lefts out of my head.Definatly no gimme for Pacquioa,Hatton fights with as much intensity as anyone today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
fair points mate, but there was definatley an improvement from hatton in the malignaggi fight that id attribute to mayweather snr. He still got hit a bit too much but alot less than he usually gets hit. As for the clinching, it was malignaggi doing all the clinching all night long in his last fight. i think the southpaw stance will cause problems for hatton just because hatton has always struggled with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
hatton will weigh in 140, and bulk up to around 152, thats what he did in the malignaggi fightQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyPacquiao has faced many faster fighters than Hatton in lower weight classes, just none that are as powerful. Hatton has to mug Pacquiao Ruberto Duran style if wants a "W".Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI heartily disagree with pretty much everything you say. Hatton is clearly Pac's most powerful opponent yet, and one of the quickest on his feet too. Manny will have more than a fit or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
I think in the power department, they are pretty muched matched, unless Hatton comes in much heavier, which is what he should do. If Hatton comes in lighter, around (140) like some of you think he will, there is no way he's going to out box Pacquiao. Mayweather Sr. is just dreaming if he thinks Hatton can dance his way to a win over Pacquiao. If that happens Just mark another "L" on Hatton's resume.
Hatton was holding all night. Malinaggi wasn't doing all the clinching.
I think Paulie spoiled and held way more. Hatton had an easy day outboxing him and (obviously) landing the bigger shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Are you kidding me ? Paul Malignaggi was ducking and grabbing all night long, he for certain done a majority of the spoiling/holding. Paul Malignaggi actually fought like a coward after he was rocked in the 2nd round.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Ricky Hatton to me looked fired up and was ready to go to war, and he looked like he just wanted to fight and not clinch at all. Pity Paul Malignaggi held like a wrestler and ducked almost below the waist line every 20 seconds.
Size wise... NO. Oscar dela Hoya was.
After the facts came about… and the feeble showing of Oscar.... YES!
This is by no means a clear advantage in his favor though, I still see Pacquiao out speed, out skill, and outmaneuver Hattfon for a win past round 9.